WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED BUTTERBEAN IN THE BOXING VS MMA DEBATE?
This is crossposted from another fanpost on Bloody Elbow. I think its relevant for discussion here since it pertains to boxing.
As judgment day for the epic battle to end all talk of sports supremacy fought between two geritol lubed fighters dawns, something struck me. With all this talk about boxing vs MMA, why has there been such little mention of Butterbean?
The guy has over 80 boxing fights. He is the prototype of boxer turned MMAist. Not to say weighing over 300 lbs should be a prototype for any kind of athlete, but Buttebean has shown that with proper training, boxers can participate in MMA.
The "can a boxer survive in MMA" argument was settled long before Toney even began meeting with Dana. It was settled by Butterbean. Add to that the fact that he has some decent wins on his MMA resume like James Thompson, Cabbage, Sean O haire and the same Zulu that MMA demigod Fedor fought. Given his size and cardio limitations, (he wasn't called king of the four rounders for nothing) that's a commendable career. He's even been involved in Moosin, which turned out pretty well.
Butterbean began fighting in toughman competitions. One of the earliest forms of fighting for anyone who wanted it, kinda like the primordial UFC. From there he went pro, onto a brief K-1 stint and then MMA. He evolved with the sport. From local toughman shows to the cage. His career is proof that it is possible for boxers to evolve and participate in the sport. I've mentioned his physical limitations. Can you imagine the effect a better trained boxer would have in the cage? I'd like to see that and it will happen soon.
James Toney's physical condition is just Butterbean lite.Tonight's fight is nothing more than a sideshow, that will prove nothing. It will only further the myth that it is impossible for athletes in one sport to cross over to MMA. Butterbean is one, but there have been plenty of examples where cross training has been shown to work. Most recently, KJ Noons showed that it is possible to transition between sports. Guys like Vitor Belfort and Anderson Silva have pro boxing bouts to their credit. Success in MMA is possible in spite of a boxing background. If Butterbean can do it, anyone can. No matter the outcome
Its sad that with all the talk of the Jimmersons and Saad Muhammads of the world, this huge example of a boxer who tried to turn serious MMAist was forgotten. In the buildup to the Couture-Toney farce, more attention was paid to boxers that failed instead of succeeded. I still wonder why no one has sought Butterbean's opinion on the transition to MMA.
Regardless of tonight's outcome, I hope more boxers - especially better athletes outside the Toney mold will crossover to MMA.
It has been done by one Butterbean. If a 300+ pound guy can do it, most boxers can do the same with proper training. Pay your respect to him here. He deserves it for trying his best and silently blazing a trail for crossovers from the sweet science.
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If tonight is “nothing more than a sideshow, that will prove nothing,” as you argue here, then I am unclear why Butterbean deserves so much praise. Why is MMA admirable for Butterbean but “a sideshow” when Toney tries it?
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Because Butterbean made a concerted effort to cross train and implement a ground game, showing that it is possible for a boxer to cross over.
Tonight is a sideshow because it is being billed as a boxing vs MMA match using an over the hill fighter against a still able veteran to prove that MMA is somehow the better sport that boxers have no place in.
Bean had much more in the tank when he began in MMA and his career is more commendable because he began from the bottom and tried to implement all facets of the game instead of concentrating on just one.
Actually, the Bean was just plain awful. He was and is too fat and slow to be any good at MMA.
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Two points here
One, I believe and I think it is kind of well known that in Pride and some of the other promotions that Butterbean fought in were not scripted by any means, but fighters were encouraged not to go to the ground (or whatever), or encouraged to stand and trade when they were the opponent of someone like butterbean and some other kind of sideshows or cross-overs. Like Roland Gardner fought in pride and such, so it was kind of a made to order fight.
But….as the talk is, Kimbo to now try his hand at boxing from what I have read. How about the perfect first fight would be against ole’ Butterbean, regardless of age. Don’t tell anyone, but I would love to see that fight for whatever reason if it were free. Butterbean vs Kimbo!
Is this taking the piss? If so, it’s effective, because I really can’t tell.
Most recently, KJ Noons showed that it is possible to transition between sports.
Talk about myths.
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BECAUSE
Butterbean is a fake fighter and a gimmic !!! Opponents were instructed to take dives or hand picked for the most part !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Aug 30, 2010 6:51 AM EDT reply actions
Nobody mentions Butterbean
because he wasn’t the first Boxer to try MMA.Ever heard of former Tyson sparring partner Melton Bowen…well he was famous for knocking Tyson out during a sparring session in which he was fired from right after.That led to an unsuccessful career as a Heavyweight.He then tried MMA fighting in the original UFC and getting KO’d by a nobody more than 15 years ago.Long before Butterbean ever even laced up the gloves.As for the comment I made above.I distincly remember reading an interview where they mentioned how Butterbean was a sideshow for the fans and how they picked his opponents including the guy who knocked Esche out.He wouldn’t take a dive and after some pre fight argument went in the ring and KO’d the Bean.Butterbean never ever fought another opponent with a pulse after that.Butterbean is and was a circus side show not a real fighter who steps into the ring facing the unknown.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Sep 3, 2010 5:50 AM EDT reply actions
But a pretty nice guy, actually.
Butterbean is and was a circus side show not a real fighter who steps into the ring facing the unknown.
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