Pacquiao says Margarito knew wraps were loaded
by Scott Christ on Aug 31, 2010 6:51 PM EDT
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PrintFrom Lance Pugmire at the Los Angeles Times:
"Of course, I believe he knew, he's the one who wraps his hands," said Pacquiao at a news conference in Beverly Hills on Tuesday. "...he made a mistake."
There are a few ways to consider this:
- Great start on promoting this fight, guys. The smiling icon who supposedly does what's right for boxing (unlike evil coward Mayweather) says, "Sure he was gonna cheat something awful, but that's OK, because I can make lots of money to fight him. My opponent is, in my opinion, a liar and a cheat and a scam and a no-good S.O.B., but that money is really enticing. Do I think he'd cheat against me if he could get away with it? Yeah! But Buboy will be watching the wrap process, so this is a good fight."
- Controversy creates cash. Pacquiao calling Margarito a cheater will only stir up interest among the curious who were barely aware that Margarito existed before this press tour started. That's a larger portion of the potential PPV audience than you might think, too. There are people just now discovering online that Shane Mosley is fighting Sergio Mora in less than a month. (And, boy, are they distressed.)
- "At least Pacquiao's being honest?"
- "Duh."
- "Who cares?"
Boy this fight is going to be tremendous fun to talk about for the next three months. I hope at the final presser the week of the fight, Top Rank has some stooge planted who will start "grilling" Margarito about the wraps, and we get some approximation of this as a final attempt to drum up interest:
(NSFW, and if you've never seen A Few Good Men and somehow don't know the scene, don't watch this.)
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Of course Margarito knew. He threw his team under the bus, but anybody with common sense knows that Margarito knew what was going on and approved of it. Same with Shane Mosley. He knew what he was doing,but played dumb when he got caught. Both of these guys lied from the beginning, and because of that first initial lie and being so stuck on the point that they didn’t know what was going on, they have to now stick with that lie. They cant come out and tell the truth now, its too late. I think he would’ve had somewhat more forgiveness if he would’ve took his charge initially and told the truth and apologized, took his suspension without trying to appeal it. People might be willing to say’: Give him a second chance. But if he keeps lying all of his future fights will be greeted with the same backlash.
Mosley wasn't 'caught'.
And as for ‘of course Margarito knew’… The guys (Richardson included) who were quoted in the Hauser article ALLknow more than you, and ALL said that it was possible for a trainer to deceive his fighter if he were so inclined.
So whether or not you personally are willing to give the benefit of the doubt is up to you, but it isn’t exactly a FACT that Margarito knew what was going on. I said at the time that I personally wouldn’t have known if something was put in my wraps, and that I personally looked away, thought about something else, and otherwise paid pretty much NO attention to my hands being wrapped. Now there are trainers and other associated figures saying the same thing, and none of them are saying Margarito is innocent, but the fact they are saying what they are gives a slight cause for concern. I mean, Manny Steward said he could have done this if he wanted to, and say what you like about Manny, but he does know his shit. If these guys are saying it’s possible, combined with my own experiences, then I personally can’t simply decide Margarito is ‘guilty as charged’ and vilify him for it.
That said, there are other things I don’t like from the other perspective, and I’m by no means convinced of Margarito’s innocence. I simply refuse to be so narrow minded as to make up my mind 100% on an issue in which there are SO MANY grey areas.
Is there, especially in light of what those guys (Richardson, Roach, Steward, et al) have said, reasonable doubt as to Margarito’s guilt? If they say they could have done it, is it possible that it was done without his knowledge? I think it is, and therefore I’m refusing to condemn him absolutely.
I still hope Manny Pacquaio beats his ass, though.
by Chaos100 on Sep 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mosley's name was on the Balco list, so instead of using the word caught, I'll just use the word "Busted".
And I remember hearing Richardson say on Mayweather-Mosley 24/7 that he thought that he ruined the fight by finding the wraps because he thought Margarito was going straight to jail for attempted assault. So at that time Richardson wasn’t giving him the benefit of the doubt.
And people rarely know something for a 100% FACT when they set their mind on saying someone is guilty or not. For example just look at court cases, rarely does the accused have an eye witness saying they saw them do it, or video tape surveillance with them on there, or DNA evidence, but they’ll still find you guilty just based on what sounds believable and what doesn’t. Thats all that they care about, who’s story is more believable, yours or the person accusing you. And sorry for Margarito, I believe his trainer’s story over Margarito’s story. Simple as that. I dont need an eye witness, video tape, or DNA to tell me that Margarito is lying, I’ll just use my better judgement. Hes guilty.
Same as Mosley, he said the same story as Margarito about his trainer did it without him knowing about it. Well like you said, anything is possible. But I’ll just use my theory of"who’s story makes more sense" and its not Mosley’s or Margarito’s story.
Honestly, I don’t know if Manny is really all that bright. He may very well think that it’s more honorable to beat Margarito up than to deprive Margarito of a payday. Even though the former is what Margarito would prefer.
It’s not that Manny isn’t bright, but outside of the ring, he’s definitely a linear thinker. What happened here is as simple as cornpone: ask Manny a question, you get his answer.
another way to consider this
is that English is not Manny’s forte. Just a few years ago he can’t even understand English. So do you really expect he can inject nuances in what he says? He was asked a question. He answered what he believed. Just because he can’t fully understand and speak English doesn’t mean he’s not bright. If I ask you a tagalog question can you answer it well?
by erasedcitizen on Aug 31, 2010 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
a very good point.
Every word uttered by Manny from now until November will be dissected.
And whether good nor bad, each one will be fuel for the promotional fire.
And that’s very good.
'He's the one who wraps his hands'
um, I think the trainer does that? (not getting on that merry-go-round of whether he knew again or not)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yeah
But he is the one wearing the warps. I presume that Manny more meant that he must have been aware of what was being put on his fists.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Sep 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This could be taken as quite controversial
But I think this website’s regualr poster’s relative dis – interest in this piece of news says a lot about the fight.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
I own up.
There are people just now discovering online that Shane Mosley is fighting Sergio Mora in less than a month.
I have to admit, I’m one of these people.
by higgledy-piggledy on Sep 1, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
Mike Koncz said something at the LA presser that came off as completely hilarious to me:
“I want to thank the media but I also want to scold the media,” Koncz said. “I think it is absurd. He (Margarito) was suspended and he served his suspension. It’s over. If you’re not going to support the fight, then don’t criticize it.”
Lucky for me, I’m going to buy the fight, so that means I get to criticize it in KonczLand.
The gist of his statement being, “Stop being mean, meanies” really tickles me.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
koncz is an a-hole
if margarito doesnt want people calling him a cheater than he shouldn’t have cheated, it’s really that simple.
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