Shane Mosley and Sergio Mora go to a controversial draw in snoozer
Some felt Sergio Mora had won convincingly. Others felt Shane Mosley had won clearly if not exactly "convincingly."
The judges decided to split the difference. One inexperienced judged (Kermit Bayless) scored it 115-113 for Mora. Another inexperienced judge (David Denkin) scored it 116-112 for Mosley. The only experienced judge on the panel (Dr. Lou Moret) scored it 114-114.
A draw. A draw, in a terrible fight. A terrible fight that had the Los Angeles crowd booing through most of the first eight rounds of alleged action. Mora (22-1-2, 6 KO) came in to stink out the joint and try to win an ugly decision, and he accomplished the first part. And 39-year-old Mosley (46-6-1, 39 KO) was so gassed out by the ninth round that everything he threw was without steam.
The California officials were roundly criticized by the HBO team, and in pretty much all ways, California's boxing commission and their officials do deserve the majority of the criticism they get. But as much as I felt Mosley "won" this fight, I'm just not able to conjure up any great outrage, because I'm seeing too much past the actual outcome of this fight, or what I think it should have been, or what anyone thinks it should have been.
I admit I have shown bias for Shane Mosley and against Sergio Mora in the past. But I want to say this as clearly as I can. Yes, I scored it 117-111 for Mosley, same as HBO's Harold Lederman. At the end of the day, I don't really care about who won this fight, or if nobody win, because the fact of the matter is this: neither one of these guys looked good tonight.
This was a fight where people who tend to go crazy over what they perceive to be "great defense' will have likely scored it for Mora. But I didn't see what Mora did as "great defense," or even particularly "good" defense. The sweet science is a wonderful thing, and I know a lot of folks like to trumpet that as a reason to love so-called "boring" fighters like Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Winky Wright. Mora, however, is no Mayweather or Wright. Those guys create offense off of their defense, even if not the most thrilling offense. Mora only creates more defense. Mora is, simply put, not a fun fighter to watch at all. I honestly believe, without meaning to offend anyone, that anyone who trumpets a performance like Mora's tonight as effective is fooling themselves, or allowing themselves to be fooled.
As for Mosley, he's 39 years old and looked every hour of it in this fight. He was jerky offensively, couldn't pull the trigger, and had enormous trouble finding Mora. I kept giving him rounds because at some point, he'd usually land something -- anything -- and that was more than Sergio Mora was doing. Mosley was the aggressor almost every second of this fight.
As a fan, I just don't care to ever see Sergio Mora fight again. Also as a fan, I honestly don't care to ever see Shane Mosley fight again. HBO's Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant were very much pro-Mosley after the fight, hoping to see him in another big fight, and all but openly praying that this draw in this clunker of a boxing match wouldn't ruin that possibility.
I am a huge Shane Mosley fan, and I've got no interest in seeing a visibly worn-out, old, and tired Shane Mosley get in the ring with Andre Berto or Manny Pacquiao or anyone. I know how those fights end at this point, and it's not pretty. Shane Mosley has taken a lot of damage over his Hall of Fame-bound career. The time to get out is now. I don't mean to knock Mora when I say this, but if Shane Mosley can't convince three ringside judges -- no matter their experience level -- that he won a fight with Sergio Mora, it's time to hang it up. He'd be getting out while the getting is as good as it's going to get.
Rather than the scoring of the judges, the California boxing officials as a whole, or Mora's performance, Lampley and Merchant might have been better served to rail against the company that employs the two of putting this rotten show on pay-per-view for $50. Their love of Shane Mosley should be put aside, because the main event was terrible. The three undercard fights produced exciting knockouts, but those knockouts become a little less exciting when you take them for what they were, or at least that's the case with Alvarez over an out-of-shape Baldomir who looked like he was 50 years old (tough or not, he did not look good), and yet another Victor Ortiz showcase fight, as if we needed to be shown that Vivian Harris can't hang with Victor Ortiz anymore.
That's where the outrage belongs. What the outcome of this fight deserves is disappointment even from its greatest pre-fight critics. Both fighters gave poor performances. Mosley looked finished. Spirited, yes, but finished. Mora was ... well, he was Sergio Mora. He spent the first half of the fight wanting nothing to do with a fight breaking out, and he spent the second half going more or less even with a washed-out, old fighter, who has never been particularly good at 154 pounds in the past, and now doesn't even have a punch up there.
For all the potential rage that this is going to cause, I just feel calm and ever so slightly depressed. Mosley is a long-time favorite and he doesn't have it anymore. I was hoping against logic that we'd see a good Sergio Mora show up again tonight, and we didn't. If Mora is an example of a top-class defensive fighter, then you can keep top-class defensive fighters. If the shop-worn and exhausted Mosley is who we're looking to for heroic and gutty performances, then there is trouble with the fights being made.
I don't have a way to close this out, really. I just hope Shane Mosley looks at his career and says, "You know what? I gave my all to boxing, and did my best. There's nothing more I need to do." And I hope Sergio Mora, the next time he's on TV, uses all of the skills he does have, which we've seen very occasionally in his career. But this fight stunk. It was just not good.
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Disgrace of a fight
I knew this fight wouldn’t be good but I didn’t think it would be THIS bad and have this bad of a result.
Is this Bayless guy related to Kenny Bayless? Maybe Skip Bayless?
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
Kermit is Kenny’s brother.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and David Denkin, IIRC, is Marty Denkin's son
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a bad way for Mosley to go out.
But you know what? Most fighters find worse ways out. As long as he leaves with much of his speech capacity and a better chance towards avoiding the other awful consequences, this is actually a good way for Mosley to go out: relatively healthy, and physically capable of helping his kid start his career. He’ll never be #1 again, and has no need to be a premium stepping stone, so yes, may this be the last.
And may this be the last too, to Mora, for completely different reasons.
Lumber Liquidators!
sadly, I am certain you're correct
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a Good Thing
Ted Sares very astutely expressed concerns re SSM’s speech in the new hype video. From 2007, I found one www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50Mv5IKqx4 in which he seems much clearer spoken, animated, and quicker on the uptake. Wish he’d quit, there’s a subtle but definitely perceptible difference.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Mosley has been drained from training so much
First the canceled Berto fight, then Floyd and a quick turnaround to do this. He’s been in training all this year. He needs to take a long rest before doing anything else. I didn’t see tonights fight, but in the Mayweather fight he looked tired. He needs to rest before doing anything else.
He looked absolutely exhausted after the first half of the fight. Mouth wide open, gasping for air.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Reason No. 517 why Boxing is losing ground to MMA !!!
There were better fights for free on The Ultimate fighter this week !!! Don’t shoot the messenger folks !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Sep 19, 2010 4:46 AM EDT reply actions
I guess you missed Pearson/Miller.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
And it takes two to Tango !!!
But be that as it may be maybe Mosely shoulda taken this into mind before his management signed up for the fight !!! Are there any Mora fans left ? I for one doubt it !!! Any respect given out to him or even sympathy has gone and left the building after last nighs farce !!! Moras held out and sidestepped around formidable fighters in order to maintain his position and land a big money fight even with his million dollar contender payday.He’s not a blood and guts fighter and never will be !!! I’d much rather watch a fighter with a losing record who goes out and performs and actually fights to earn that next payday or put food on the table for his family !!! Go back where yu came from Mora !!! AND NO !!! We the fans do not want to see a third fight between you and Manfredo !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Sep 19, 2010 5:04 AM EDT reply actions
I actually enjoyed Mora vs Forrest just for the i cant believe this is happening feeling
And seriously stop buying these fights its as simple as that, its not like we get them once a month like the UFC, there are like 5 boxing ppvs a month
there are like 5 boxing ppvs a month
No there aren’t. Counting Pacquiao-Margarito there will have been five HBO boxing PPVs this year. Showtime is doing one. The rest are Integrated Sports (maybe 10 shows a year), Top Rank (a handful of shows a year), or Golden Boy (one or two a year).
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I Wonder if Mr. Solis Meant
5 MMA ppvs per mo? They do have quite a few of them too, no idea on how many myself.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
No, I'm crazy, misread it, sorry
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
SNOOZER!
Hells Bells, I sensed a stinkbomb in the works when the deal was signed and dated for PPV….. “Mosley-Mora” on PPV was a scam……. What was the asking price for this event???
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
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"Mosley-Mora" on PPV was a scam……. What was the asking price for this event???
Enough to fill your gas tank for about 2 weeks.
by The Floorer on Sep 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
MOSLEY
It would be great if Shane would just retire! He has had a great career and now it is time to ride off into the sunset. If Mora going to keep fighting he needs to start fighting and now just show up for a check. After this fight maybe he should retire also as no one will be anxious to see another of his fights. Both men are good men but maybe now is the time to quit.
This was a great piece. Very well thought out and I agree where the outrage should lie. It’s not with the fighters (though, Sergio Mora really needs to take a look in the mirror and think if he wants to be a “boxer” because he throws no punches… he could’ve taken this fight easily if he had DONE something other than elude punches), it’s with the companies that produce and distribute this crap. Also, some of the blame should be on those who paid and continue to feed this machine. The only lesson promoters and networks understand is the one they learn through their bank accounts.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
SSM ia all done and I knew it BEFORE this fight took place. I had Mora winning and he DID win IMO.
Pray for Nick Charles
Yours and a number of others
Right before the fight, I felt like Mora would win, altho I didnt’ want him too. And I didn’t think he did (# blows landed) but I did think it was close.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Mora did nothing to win that fight.
Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.
You some it up nicely...
At the end of the day, I don’t really care about who won this fight, or if nobody win, because the fact of the matter is this: neither one of these guys looked good tonight.
I wouldn’t put it past Golden Boy & Top Rank to put on a Mosely-Pacquiao fight. I know the outcome is pretty much a given. But there’s no one else for Pacquiao to fight seeing as the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout doesn’t seem likely to ever happen.
by higgledy-piggledy on Sep 19, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
I hope Golden Boy lost big money on this card. Hopefully they are ashamed anyway, but if they made money they’ll just keep pushing the crap on us. I can hear Richard Schaefer now…“The fight was so competitive a winner could not even be declared!”
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
This Puts Floyd's Win Over Mosely
In proper perspective . The fact that Mayweather was rocked by a 39 year old , completely shot fighter who doesnt even punch hard anymore must worry him and his camp and the so called " adjustments" Floyd make after the 3rd round of that fight were in fact just Mosely having punched himself out .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Interesting Point
It does.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Oh, I forgot to mention: Shane Mosley’s hand speed is goooone. It’s just not there anymore. Part of it is age and wear and tear, a big part of it is just that he hesitates before pulling the trigger now. He was slow against Floyd, but that’s Floyd. He was slow last night, too. As far as just hand speed goes, Mosley’s gone further from his prime than every one of the senior citizen stars out there besides Roy Jones.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I think it’s to do with the weight, too. Mosley looked lethargic against Mayorga in his last outing at 154, and looked worse this time round.
Yeah. He got away with fighting at 154 in his prime, but he’s not in his prime anymore. The weight class never suited him, and now he’s just not very good at all there.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2010 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I take this isn’t Mosley’s last fight, because that’s what usually happens when I want someone to retire. Is it Cotto-Mosley II or Berto-Mosley next?
He wants Pacquiao (Arum’s already saying no) and Cotto.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well really the biggest fight out there for Cotto is a Pacquiao rematch, which seems quite possible assuming they both win in Nov/Dec (if Cotto fights in Dec)
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by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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