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Alfredo Angulo's U.S. Career Crumbles, HBO Walks | Boxing Scene

According to Michael Marley, Alfredo Angulo is having issues with having illegally entered the country, and HBO is backing off of him because illegal immigration is such a hot button topic. Marley's source for the story? Bob Arum, which is a scummy move on Arum's part, even if it is true. Arum doesn't promote Angulo, and has no business saying bad things about him. Of course, now Arum gets to use this as an excuse when he doesn't pit any of his fighters (Chavez, Martirosyan, Cotto, Foreman, etc.) against Angulo, who is one of the most exciting in the division.

Angulo trying to secure Visa | Doghouse Boxing

In a one sentence blurb, Steve Kim comments on the Alfredo Angulo situation, basically saying that it's known that he's having immigration problems, but that he's heading back to Mexico to get them fixed. We'll see where things comes out on this one, but when you have a guy making six figures, I'm liable to believe Kim on this one. If HBO doesn't want to deal with Angulo, it's probably because of his nonsense turning down $750,000 for a Martinez fight with a guarantee of a second HBO fight, when he was really in zero position to do so.

More on the December 4 card | Dan Rafael's Twitter

As reported yesterday, Top Rank is putting together a small PPV card for December 4. Per the tweets, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. will likely face Pawel Wolak or Alfonso Gomez. Also being discussed is Brandon Rios vs. Urbano Antillon. Finally, they're also looking at putting Nonito Donaire on the card, possibly against Wladimir Sidorenko, although that one seems like a long shot for a multitude of reasons.

Minnesota Vikings' Ray Edwards turns to boxing to protect himself financially | TwinCities.com

For Edwards, boxing is a backup plan in case there's an NFL strike or lockout next year, as many anticipate. Evidently, since Edwards started training for boxing, he's reduced his body fat from 15% to 6%, which helped fuel his breakout season last year. He also trained with Emmanuel Steward for a little while, although he's been training locally in Minneapoils now.

Frank Warren and David Haye stake claims for George Groves-James DeGale showdown | Telegraph

Promotional rivals Hayemaker Boxing and Frank Warren have made offers and counteroffers for UK prospects James DeGale and George Groves to meet in December. The two seem to be really working on building this fight, and DeGale and Groves have some legitimate bad blood, despite neither man having more than 10 pro fights. Just because of where they are in their careers, I doubt they actually fight, but it's nice to see promoters working on building a bigger fight for a few years down the road. And if they do fight, it will be a pleasant surprise - it's very rare to see two prospects of this caliber fight each other this early in their respective careers.

Pavlik-Edouard Fight Back On | My Valley Sports

For a minute there was almost a threat that Kelly Pavlik might be involved in a halfway decent fight on the Pacquiao-Margarito undercard. Daniel Edouard had reportedly pulled out of his fight with Pavlik, and Top Rank was in discussions for former title challenger Giovanni Lorenzo to be the replacement. Instead, Edouard came back and changed his mind, so he'll still be facing Edouard in an absolute stinker of a fight.

John Duddy lined up for Andy Lee battle | Belfast Telegraph

Two of Ireland's biggest gate attractions might be preparing to face each other at the end of the year. John Duddy's manager Craig Hamilton and Andy Lee's manager Emmanuel Steward have reportedly agreed for the two men to fight, also on December 4. The idea would have been to put the fight on the Cotto-Chavez undercard in New York, but now that Cotto's not on the card and it will be out in California, that might not make as much sense. Still, the two might want to keep this one in the back of their minds, as other opportunities for a New York fight will arise.

Golden Boy sues Top Rank over Manny Pacquaio accounting | ESPN

Golden Boy Promotions sued bitter rival promotional powerhouse Top Rank, its chairman, Bob Arum, and chief financial officer David Lopez in federal court Tuesday, accusing them of racketeering and millions of dollars in fraud. Well, if Mayweather-Pacquiao falling apart didn't seal it, this does - the cold war between boxing's two biggest promotional firms is back on.

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Would be nice to see Donaire vs Montiel

by rgb on Sep 22, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Negative zero percent chance of that happening

If it happens, it won’t be before next year, and it seems like Montiel’s team doesn’t want the fight at all.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 22, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wanted to see that one but i can understand why Montiel might not want it.
I think he would get TKO’d late on or beat fairly wide on points.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 22, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That fight is never, ever going to happen. They’ve been talking about that fight for a year now.

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by Scott Christ on Sep 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Groves ices DeGale in my eyes.

I saw Groves live on the Haye-Ruiz undercard, and he looked unbelievable. Speed, power, composure: George Groves is the genuine article. DeGale can showboat all the way to the hospital if he steps in with Groves any time soon.

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by Chaos100 on Sep 22, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not so sure. I think they’re both outstanding talents in their own right; however, I’ve got a sneaky suspicion that DeGale would take Groves. When he actually focuses in the ring, he’s amazing to watch, and I reckon his speed and ring smarts would do for Groves should they fight in December. To be honest, I’m hoping it doesn’t happen, because this rivalry really has Benn-Eubank written all over it, and it would be far more fitting to see then fight over a world title at Wembley.

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by Oli Goldstein on Sep 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"When he actually focuses"

That about sums up DeGale for me.

Groves would be focused, no doubt. I’d take prime Stephen Hendry over prime Ronnie O’Sullivan, and for the same reasons. If you just don’t know your man is going to be focused and determined, how can you back him?

Anyhow, I genuinely don’t think DeGale has anything Groves can’t deal with. Add to that the fact that Groves has fought a MUCH better level of competition thus far, and I’ll take Groves all day, every day, and twice on Sundays. Groves is a determined, dedicated, polished fighter, who made a seasoned pro look like a fish out of water in his last fight. LEt’s be straight, he looked AWESOME that night. No mistakes, great speed, nothing wasted, and some serious power behind his shots. He also has fantastic ring genralship for one so inexperienced, and as my friedns who were there commented: if they hadn’t known who was supposedly the inexperienced guy in there, they would never have guessed Groves. There is very little raw about him, and if he fights DeGale in the next 18 months, I’ll be having a very large punt on him.

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Sep 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think DeGale has needed to focus so far in his career – he’s just that damn good already. I do really like Groves – probably more so than DeGale – but I don’t really buy into him beating Adamu as being that impressive. As far as I’m concerned, Adamu was pretty convincingly outboxed by Dilks in the fight before Groves – and we all know what DeGale subsequently did with Carl Dilks. Whatever happens, its a bloody good fight, and one that presents a lot of questions. Let’s hope we get the answers.

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by Oli Goldstein on Sep 22, 2010 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t really buy into him beating Adamu as being that impressive. As far as I’m concerned, Adamu was pretty convincingly outboxed by Dilks in the fight before Groves – and we all know what DeGale subsequently did with Carl Dilks.

Agreed.

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by Scott Christ on Sep 22, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a damn good fight

I do think DeGale is much better than Groves (and I like Groves a lot) when he’s 100% focused on the task at hand, but I’ve seen that all of once so far in his pro career (the Mag 7 fight). If they make that fight in December, it’s going to be one of the fights I’m most excited about for all of 2010. I also suspect it won’t be the last time they fight, if they do fight soon.

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by Scott Christ on Sep 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

much better than Groves?

I’ve just checked the date, as I thought it must be April Fools. Really? MUCH better? What has he got that Groves hasn’t, apart from an overbearing attitude and a propensity for unnecessary showboating? I’m being serious too, not having a go. DeGale looks really raw to me, whereas Groves looks like the real deal after single-figures fights….

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Sep 22, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What has Groves got that DeGale hasn’t, apart from not raising your ire with a likely half-fake overbearing attitude? Who cares about his showboating? Has it truly affected anything he’s done? He didn’t showboat a second against Carl Dilks and he beat him without breaking a sweat. DeGale’s quicker of hand and foot and has a better pedigree. He’s an Olympic gold medalist. They’re both raw. I like them quite a bit as prospects, but DeGale is simply a better prospect. I don’t know if you want me to quantify that or something. I just believe he’s a better prospect, regardless of showboating or what he says in interviews.

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by Scott Christ on Sep 22, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeGale's advantages

- He’s a southpaw
- He throws straight punches
- His defense is a lot tighter
- His reflexes are quicker
- He beat Groves a bunch of times in the amateurs

I’m with Scott here. Groves is more exciting, but I think DeGale is the better fighter.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ANTILLON WILL WIN EITHER OPPONETS

by elae 90270 on Sep 26, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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