Super Six: Ward-Dirrell and Froch-Abraham move to Nov. 27, Green still in tournament
The group stage concept is still alive for the Super Six World Boxing Classic, against most logic, and the meaningful fights with the four remaining originals of the tournament will be moving to November 27.
Last month, the tournament lost Mikkel Kessler to an eye injury, making him the second fighter to pull out. Jermain Taylor dropped out in January, and was replaced by Allan Green, who was virtually shut out by Andre Ward in his first tournament bout. Kessler and Green were to face one another on September 25 in Denmark, but when that was scrapped, everything else started falling like dominoes.
Ward and Andre Dirrell couldn't come to a venue agreement for their set September 25 date, either, so that was postponed. Then, Carl Froch pulled out of an October 2 date with Arthur Abraham, citing a back injury. That fight had been through plenty of wrangling and bickering already, as Froch refused to fight in Germany and Abraham wasn't about to fight in England, so they had to set a fight in Monaco.
Now, they'll be fighting in Helsinki, Finland, still a neutral ground that all but guarantees they don't make as much money live as they should have. Ward and Dirrell still have no venue for their fight, but legal action has been threatened to their promoters already, so I'm assuming Gary Shaw and Dan Goossen have started working something out. Ward's first two fights have been in Oakland, where he's building an audience. Dirrell fought at home in Detroit last time out against Abraham, which drew predictably miserable attendance in a tremendously poor city where boxing hasn't been a major ticket in years. Dirrell also has never built a fanbase in Michigan, having fought there very little as a professional.
One of the smaller Vegas casinos might have been a good idea, but HBO, Golden Boy and DiBella are in Vegas that night for the Marquez-Katsidis triple-header. There are some very neutral sites that could be considered. I still think New Jersey, with a dedicated fight audience in Atlantic City, could turn out well, and there's also Chicago, Texas, Memphis, and New Orleans is starting to enter a lot of fight discussions lately.
As for going head-to-head with HBO, it basically couldn't be avoided. The November/December schedule is absolutely packed:
- November 6, HBO: Judah v. Matthysse, Guerrero v. Escobedo
- November 6, SHO: Lopez v. Marquez
- November 13, HBO PPV: Pacquiao v. Margarito
- November 20, HBO: Martinez v. Williams II
- November 27, HBO: Marquez v. Katsidis, Berto v. TBA, Caballero v. Litzau
- December 4, Top Rank PPV: Chavez v. Gomez
- December 11, HBO: Khan v. Maidana
- December 11, SHO: Perez v. Agbeko II, Darchinyan v. Mares
- December 18, SHO PPV: Pascal v. Hopkins
Look, preferably, December 4 would have been their date. It's the only one even kind of "open," because the Chavez-Gomez show is not going to attract a buying audience of real significance. It's a niche show. That would have been the ideal date of what is available, but you have to consider that the venues would have had to work out and all the fighters and promoters would have had to agree, and, well, that can be a headache itself.
The earlier rumored idea seemed to be to get Green a date on Showtime outside of the tournament, but now apparently he's still "in the tournament" against a yet-to-be-named replacement. The four guys most likely to move forward are Ward, Dirrell, Froch and Abraham, anyway, but Green does have a shot. If Ward beats Dirrell and Green scores a knockout win against someone, Green will move on and Dirrell will shove off. It makes sense from Green's perspective to stay in and go for a knockout against a replacement opponent, because there's big money waiting in the semifinals and finals.
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Who would even be the replacement?
I can’t imagine they’ll get anyone that ‘super’. For the winner of that fight to make it to the next round, he’d need to win by KO AND Abraham would have to beat Froch AND Ward would have to beat Dirrell. Pretty slim possibility of making it forward means they probably won’t attract anyone that great. On the other hand, I guess someone could take it as a one-off bout for decent money, figuring they might still luck their way into the second round, and if they don’t, then it’s another decent win on their record.
But still, who’s even available? Bika’s been pretty flaky lately. Pavlik, Bute and Andrade are tied up with other fights. Stieglitz isn’t going to travel to the US, and I suspect Sauerland would loudly protest to including a Universum fighter. Same probably goes for Sartison. Mendy’s win came by way of DQ and he’s sitting on a mandatory. Miranda’s already lost to half the field (and his win over Green wasn’t a good enough fight to warrant a rematch).
Why do I get this sinking feeling that Jermain Taylor is going to end up back in the tournament as Kessler’s replacement?
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Why do I get this sinking feeling that Jermain Taylor is going to end up back in the tournament as Kessler’s replacement?
Because he seems the best option right now both financially and for the state of the tournament from a non-hardcore fan perspective.
Bika-Green is long overdue, make it happen Showtime.
For the winner of that fight to make it to the next round, he’d need to win by KO AND Abraham would have to beat Froch AND Ward would have to beat Dirrell.
If Ward beats Dirrell by decision, Abraham decisions Froch, and Green/replacement guy at 0 score a KO, it’s:
1. Ward – 6
2. Abraham – 5
3. Green/guy – 3
4. Froch – 2
5. Dirrell – 2
So Dirrell would get dropped.
If Froch wins a decision and Dirrell loses by decision and Green/guy gets a KO:
1. Ward – 6
2. Froch – 4
3. Abraham – 3
4. Green/guy – 3
5. Dirrell – 2
So the other guy can get in just with a KO unless Dirrell beats Ward. If THAT happens, then Froch has to lose. But it’s one or the other, doesn’t have to be both. As long as Green/X-Factor scores a stoppage and Froch OR DIrrell lose, that guy is in and one of them is out. Dirrell is in a must-win.
Say Dirrell decisions Ward and Abraham KO’s Froch and Green KO’s guy (or the other way, whatever):
1. Abraham – 6
2. Dirrell – 4
3. Ward – 4
4. Green/guy – 3
5. Froch – 2
Dirrell decisions Ward, Abraham decisions Froch, Green/guy KO:
1. Abraham – 5
2. Dirrell – 4
3. Ward – 4
4. Green/guy – 3
5. Froch 2
Froch KOs Abraham, Ward decisions Dirrell, Green/guy KO:
1. Ward – 6
2. Froch – 5
3. Abraham – 3
4. Green/guy – 3
5. Dirrell – 2
And so on and so forth. But Froch and Dirrell don’t both have to lose.
Of course we haven’t seen a draw yet…
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by Scott Christ on Sep 25, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
you and your stinky maths
I guess I still don’t see anyine the great stepping in still though, and Green at least seems to have a chin if nothing else. Just because of the promoters involved, it might be Marcus Johnson or Edwin Rodriguez, but that’s still not particularly super. As far as I know, the other promoters alrewady involved don’t have any other decent SMWs.
What I’d love (even though it’s probably a bit premature) is to see Groves or DeGale step ib.
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by Brickhaus on Sep 25, 2010 2:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t expect much. Hell, I think Taylor’s toward the high end of possible Green opponents.
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by Scott Christ on Sep 25, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
I know they had contractual reasons they couldn’t do the sensible thing, but even though I’m not a Dirrell fan, it’s gonna be pretty shitty if he doesn’t make it to the next round because the Replacement knocks out an even lesser Replacement. Still, these next two known fights could be great if Ward-Dirrell doesn’t turn into Serena-Venus. (Which, yeah, it easily could.)
from comments re “Martinez-Williams” is a go (below, Sept. 21)
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they will [happen], both fights—but I think there will be further delay first, because I think this latest delay is political, trying to get them on the same night down the line—by BoxAnne on Sep 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT
Now I think that the retaining of Green and probable inclusion of Taylor, or even another replacement, is an insurance policy against the less-likely-now-but-still-possible crashing of Ward-Dirrell. It would be watered down and less satisfying to continue that way, but Taylor is one of the original players so there’s continuity there, and it prevents Ward & Dirrell from holding the tourney hostage.
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