Allan Green-Glen Johnson on for November 6
by Scott Christ on Sep 29, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
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The proposed Super Six World Boxing Classic fight between Allan Green and Glen Johnson is official for the November 6 undercard on Showtime. Main eventing that night will be featherweights Juan Manuel Lopez and Rafael Marquez.
Green (29-2, 20 KO) entered the tournament as a replacement for Jermain Taylor in June, losing a virtual shutout decision to Andre Ward in Oakland. Green was sluggish the entire fight, clearly outclassed by Ward, and complained after of weight issues and overtraining for the bout.
Now he faces Johnson (50-14-2, 34 KO), a 41-year-old veteran who has not made the super middleweight limit in a decade. Johnson is the former world light heavyweight champion and a multiple-time titlist at 175. There are concerns about his ability to boil down to 168, or if he'll be effective when he does. At his age, fighters almost never go down in weight. In recent years, we've seen disastrous results for the likes of Oscar de la Hoya and Chris Byrd when attempting at an advanced age to move back down in weight, and Johnson is older than either of them were, with many more miles on the odometer.
But Johnson, who like Green is promoted by Lou DiBella (probably the biggest reason he's getting the shot), is confident he can comfortably make the weight, and is grateful for the opportunity.
"I want to thank Showtime for including me in their Super Six tournament," he said. "Having dedicated so many years to the sport of boxing, it is gratifying to still be considered worthy of competing with some of the top fighters in the world and on such a prestigious platform. ... I typically weigh in at 172 pounds for my light heavyweight fights. I will have no trouble making the 168-pound limit as a super middleweight."
To note, and facts being facts, Johnson has only weighed in at 172 or below for a light heavyweight fight three times since 2001, a span of 21 fights at the 175-pound limit. He does typically weigh in a bit under, but in recent fights has gone up dramatically in weight overnight, fighting in the 190s.
A knockout win for either Green or Johnson combined with a loss by either Carl Froch or Andre Dirrell would see the winner of this fight advance to the semifinals of the tournament.
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My love for Glen Johnson makes me fear this even as I’m happy to see the Road Warrior get one (last?) big fight. But Cloud hurt Glencoffee in ways I hadn’t seen him hurt since, maybe, selected moments of the Tarver fight, plus he looked bloated. Green’s power has been overstated, but even he fights smarter than Cloud.
How does he even remotely fight smarter than Cloud? Doesn’t let his hands go, looks down with regularity, and has nothing besides a straight right hand to be concerned about.
Anyways… I think everyone wants Johnson to win… by because he is f’ing awesome… I would have liked to see Andrade fight Green because I know Green would wilt under the pressure.
I only hope that Johnson can make weight safely because I flat out think he is just a better boxer than Green…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Agreed on all counts.
Especially Andrade. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I can't agree with the last statement
I doubt Green is aggressive enough to do much damage, and I would expect even a drained, 41-year old Johnson to beat him just by outhustling him. Doubt he’ll get the KO though.
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I hope so. And I don’t have much respect for Green either. (Cloud’s strategy of taking full rounds off went well beyond Green’s reluctance though, insomuch as it really seemed to be an actual strategy, and could have blown him the Johnson fight had there actually been judges in St. Louis that night.) But there’s nothing like going down in weight late in your career to lose your remaining spark in the transfer. De La Hoya and Chris Byrd are two recent examples that come to mind.
But I’m not even sure why I’m re-stating what isn’t actually an argument. It’s just my fears. Long live Glencoffee.
by El Destruyo on Sep 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to change the name of this tourney to....
Sub Par Six.
or
Four Plus Who.
or
Six All Mixed.
by pakinpower on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll ignore this fight as my way of stating my position !!!
Why is it that Alan Green never has to fight any real big name fighters ? And don’t tell me that Andre Ward is a big name fighter either !!! He may one day be one but he is still unproven IMO !!! Green gets pass after pass after pass !!! Now Johnson who I am a huge fan of gets an undeserved shot and payday too !!! Now Bute,Andrade,an Bika all of whom would beat Green and maybe even Johnson at this point go ignored.It’s not what you know it’s who you know !!! I’m making my stand and like I stated above…I’ll pass !!! Boxing can go and f**k itself for all I care !!! Bute is one of the few fighters that keeps me around but I’m rapidly growing sick of all of the political bullshit !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Sep 30, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions
Andre Ward: unproven.
Who exactly would you like him to beat? Godzilla?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Somebody with a f**kin pulse !!!
Kessler was and is the only good fighter that he’s stepped in the ring with and Mikkel was rusty and maybe even out of shape.True it may not be Wards fault that Kessler was inactive before they fought and it is also not Wards fault that Kessler may have overlooked him a little too but it’s not like Ward drew AA for his first Super Six Fighter either.Next he gets the substitue for JT (who would have been an easy fight for him as well) but Green doesn’t belong in this tournament as he’s done squat at Supermiddleweight and hasn’t one marquee victory there either !!! So tell me why Ward gets such an easy schedule for his first two fights in this tourny ? Don’t get me wrong as pre tournament I had picked Ward over Kessler and Dirrel over both Froch and AA as well based on their skills as amateurs and yes Ward is close but he’s not there yet.I’m not sure that he would survive Andrade had they fought before the tournament started and maybe now he boxes to a win but there’s no way Ward stops him !!! Not sure that he would survive Bika either ? Yeah I’d favor him in both of those matchups but it’s not a given that he would.
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Oct 1, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Such an easy schedule?
Kessler was widely regarded as the best guy at 168 before the Ward fight. Kessler then dismantled Carl Froch. Kessler as Ward’s first fight does not equal easy to me….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Kessler admitted that his inactivity before the Ward fight hurt him and...
that he was rusty and overlooked Ward.For Froch he was ready.Not Wards fault but come on ! Some people actually have Ward in their top 10 P4P ??? Had Ward fought and beat the Kessler that was in against Froch then maybe it would be worth something but IMO it is not !!! I actually think and believe that Andarade might be better than Froch and he would actually do much better in a rematch against Kessler as Andrade has improved drastically !!! Don’t get me wrong as I’m not trying to hate on Ward but I hate when fighters get acclaim that is undeserved and too soon in their respective careers !!! Ward couldn’t even KO Miranda !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Oct 2, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Fighting Kessler, ANY version of Kessler, first;
does not constitute an easy path for anyone.
However, I can’t be bothered to argue the point any more, since I have been browbeaten into submission by the prospect of you etting really excited and throwing copious amounts of exclamation marks at me in response.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Actually kinda pumped for this.
Any excuse to see Glen Johnson in a fight is a good thing. His activity level is so high that he’s almost never in a good fight. And this will probably be the biggest payday he’s gotten in a while, so good for him.
Just for argument’s sakes, let’s say he gets the KO/TKO and makes it to the next round. Can he beat any of the others? Ward and Dirrell are probably too fast, but do they have enough power to keep Johnson off of them? I think he actually has a decent shot against Froch, and Abraham… well, I can easily see Johnson piling up rounds with workrate as Abraham turtles up, but I think Abraham probably wins it.
by Verklemptomaniac on Sep 30, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Glen Johnson
is really good. And I’m fine with it, because there were reasons they couldn’t get what look like better-suited opponents, this seems like kind of an imaginative solution to me. The tourney concept, which kind of seems to be picking up, strikes me as a really good thing for brand boxing, generating noticeably greater interest among those who don’t usually give much thought to boxing than I’ve seen before, at least in westmass where boxing is unheard of, practically, people had heard of the Six All Mixed (nice one, PnP) and—slow and bumpity as it goes, the fights excepting Green have been way good, sometimes great. Sometimes you just have to be patient, and see things thru’. They’ve learned from it, and the bantomweight tourney’s not as ambitious. I’m still for it. Glen vs Abraham would be scary if it actually happened, but he’s an old and wily warrior who would likely lose, but lose in one piece.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Any tournament like this is going to have major and minor blips.
I just hope ego/politics don’t push things further off course.
Anyway, also glad to see Glen get another payday or two (or maybe three).
A knockout win foreither Green orJohnson combined with a loss by either Carl Froch or Andre Dirrell would see the winner of this fight advance to the semifinals of the tournament.
Fixed it for you….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
We’ll see how the old man handles starving himself before I count out even Allan Green.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
God no !!!
Say Johnson grows old or older overnight and then loses to that bum Green? A Semi final with a head case who backs out of fights and takes on inferior opposition ? Say it ain’t so ? Kind of makes for a challenger to Steiglitz who is cut from the same pathetic mould huh ?
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Oct 2, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I Wonder
if both Johnson and Green won’t both be fighting at least slightly weakened. Johnson will have trouble with that weight, and my growing personal feeling is that Green’s medical condition is more of an issue re his ability to nourish himself enough to keep his strength up than he’s willing to admit to himself, or anyone else. Gut stuff is incredibly sapping, really, really weakening. And missing (90% ?—that’s what I’ve read) of it—just doesn’t go away, and just doesn’t make you stronger. I wonder if it’s not more of an issue than people take in.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Greens medical condition ? WTF ? Does he have Shannon Briggs Asthma too ?
Or maybe he is only lacking in testicular fortitute huh ? I think maybe both !!!
It's not a matter of "IF" the North will break you.It's a matter of "WHEN" the North will break you.For up here every year counts as two on the outside.
by Ghostman (Son of the Wolf) on Oct 2, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions
OR maybe you could actually do some research into Allan Green's condition
before ponticating randomly yet again.
BoxAnne is, as usual, correct.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
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