Video Hype: Mike Tyson and Wayne Brady remake Bobby Brown's "Every Little Step"
by Scott Christ on Sep 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT
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I've honestly seen a lot worse
he’s not as bad as all that.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I've Never Liked Him
But he’s not as bad as some wannabe pros, and appears to be having fun. And I’ll never like him, but creds for giving it a shot.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I’ve never liked him either. But after I saw the documentary, I started thinking that Tyson would’ve been a completely different person if he had had the opportunities of education and a stable living environment. Granted, you can make that argument about a lot of people, but I say this thinking that the Tyson I saw in that documentary was rough, but deep and reflexive. I was amazed at how he cleared he seemed to be on most of his mistakes. Of course, his discourse was always littered with stereotypes and fixed constructs but for a man with almost no formal education, I think there was a lot of untapped intellectual potential in there.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Couldn't Agree with You More
on untapped intellectual potential, and no question he was a victim not only of early circumstance, but of late circumstance in the form of predatory handlers who failed to serve his mental health issues and in so failing turned him loose to do plenty of severe, lasting damage to plenty of women. It’s his intellegence that’s saving him now, insofar as he seems much improved, so I try to get by my habit of dislike for him—he can be kind of likable, and some of his insights are real good. But, “he was sick, he was a victim too” type talk doesn’t get him or anyone else a free pass with me, and I can’t help but remain wary.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
There's Seems Like More Hope
now for him than ever previously, tho—even he is growing up, and I hope he stays OK.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
And Absolutely the Predators Around Him
Should have done time, they knew what they were doing. He at least paid some dues.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I think the right approach is not so much to give him (or others like him) a pass on what they’ve done, as it is to NOT give any credit to ourselves and others like us who may have avoided such problems but who, in doing so, never had to overcome anything anywhere near the difficulties that others have had to face.
I’m not all for giving a free pass, but obviously you have to put these things in context to partially explain things, rher than ’he’s an animal!’ and thats the end of it.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
as it is to NOT give any credit to ourselves and others like us who may have avoided such problems but who, in doing so, never had to overcome anything anywhere near the difficulties that others have had to face.
Yes…and no. Most people, and plenty of people from backgrounds like his, aren’t necessarily mean. And, for myself I expect no passes for my many failings—not to say hold against forever, but those things happened, and unless you’re really provably delusional and hallucinatory and really can’t tell right from wrong, I think I, you, and him are responsible for what we do or did, but said with hope for better days to come.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
sorry, should be
as it is to NOT give any credit to ourselves and others like us who may have avoided such problems but who, in doing so, never had to overcome anything anywhere near the difficulties that others have had to face.
taco pal above
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I’m not sure if you understood my point, as your comment does not appear to be responsive to it.
It’s one thing to say that Tyson should be accountable for his failings. It’s another thing to say that you or I should be praised for avoiding those failings. I do not disagree with the first point. It’s the second point that I think is wrong.
Yes, others who have grown up in difficult circumstances have turned out fine. That is why people like Tyson cannot point to those circumstances as excuses. But we privileged folk delude ourselves if we assume that we would have been among those who would have turned out fine. We have no way of knowing that, because we have never been tested. It’s not that Tyson was unlucky. It’s that we were undeservedly lucky.
Maybe you or some other commenters on this blog have experienced the same level of hardship that Tyson did in his youth. I don’t purport to know everyone’s story here. But I am pretty confident that the vast majority of us did not experience such hardships. I certainly did not. I can pass judgment on Tyson’s actions on principle, but I do so with the full knowledge that I might have done things that are just as bad if not worse.
But we privileged folk delude ourselves if we assume that we would have been among those who would have turned out fine. We have no way of knowing that, because we have never been tested. It’s not that Tyson was unlucky. It’s that we were undeservedly lucky.
I couldn’t agree more, altho luck is as luck does—plenty of privileged lives are nonetheless tragic, in the sense of tragic losses. But I think it’s my fault for using the phrase ‘’give a pass"—it’s not exactly what I meant. He paid his dues, and I wish him well; I admire him for the courage it takes to be a non-dancer dancing in public and having fun at it, and he’s appealing with his flyers.
But as far as liking him is concerned, this is one type of place where gender likely counts more than is comfortable, because I don’t think—just a guess, but I doubt that very many women of any age or station whatsoever can ever quite like or feel comfortable around or regarding a rapist. The atavistic response is Run. And the trouble with that is, it’s a “nature’s way” programmed response for cause, in the general run of things ignored at great peril. And that’s just a consequence he’s stuck with, likely for a good long time.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I’m not sure if you understood my point, as your comment does not appear to be responsive to it.
It’s one thing to say that Tyson should be accountable for his failings. It’s another thing to say that you or I should be praised for avoiding those failings. I do not disagree with the first point. It’s the second point that I think is wrong.
I guess I don’t understand your point—yes, it is another thing to say you or I should be praised for avoiding those failings, and of course staying out of trouble because you’re lucky enough not to be desperate is not even worth mentioning, let alone praising, but who said it was? I guess I’m not aware of having done so myself, and can’t see where anyone else did.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
you're breaking out those old school moves now hey ;)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I'll Buy That--Same Here
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Geez, most people should stay at home: watch television,
read—whatever—instead of making videos or doing Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, some such horrifying shit.
But the guy is having a good time, and he’s never going to rewrite Western history anyway, so. …
Go get ’em Mikey.
Bobby Brown
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
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