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Eddie Futch on Ken Norton

I read this in a good book a while back thought it was a good read.  I tried to find out as much as I could about Eddie Futch, because he seemed to understand what boxing was all about.  From what I read and understood boxing is about styles beating styles and to take away your opponents best boxing tools while employing yours.  I can't help thinking that Futch should have wrote a good book.

 

The jab was a big reason Muhammad Ali never figured out why he always had so much trouble with Ken Norton in their three fights.  I thought Ken won all three.  But he only got the decision in their first fight, the one in San Diego in 1973 when he broke Ali’s jaw.  Most people thought that that was the first time they were in the ring together, but a few years earlier they had sparred in Los Angeles when Ali was in exile.  What ever city Ali was in he always had his boxing gear in the luggage compartment of his car.  Whenever he would step out of his car people would gather.  So the day he showed up at the Hoover Street Gym in Los Angeles, the gym filled up.  Wall-to-wall people.

 

Three other heavyweights were working out, Scrap Iron Johnson, Howard Smith and somebody whose name I’ve forgotten.  Ali boxed with each of those fellows, then somebody told him I had a young heavyweight, Ken Norton.

 

Ali didn’t even know Norton’s name.  Ali looked at me and said, “How about working a round with your guy?”  I said, “Okay.” I took Norton aside and told him, “Don’t” try to be a wise guy.  Just be smart.  Just go out there and work along with him and try to learn something.  If it gets rough in there naturally take care of yourself.  But just try to work along with him.”  The first round went like that but Norton was never a smooth-looking fighter.  He didn’t have a classic style.  Ali had looked him over pretty good.  I guess he decided the kid can’t fight much.  So with this enthusiastic crowd there, Ali decided he’s going to give them a show.

 

Near the end of the round, Ali stepped back and announced to Norton and the crowd, “Okay, boy, I’m through playing with you.  I’m going to put something on you.”  Ali really starts punching, but Norton goes right with him.  What a round that was, a wild round.

 

The thing was, Ali didn’t think Norton could counter because Norton had been working along with him earlier.  But when Ali started punching harder, Norton countered.  Norton embarrassed him, and Ali didn’t expect that.  Ali didn’t like that at all.  The next day Ali walked into the gym screaming, “I want that Norton, where’s that Norton?”  But I had told Norton to stay in his street clothes.

 

Ali looked over and saw Norton standing around in his street clothes, then he looked at me and said.  “Isn’t he going to work today?”  I said, “No.”  He said, “Why Not?”  I said, “Yesterday you came in here looking for a workout.  Today you came in here looking for a fight.  When this kid fights you he’s going to get paid, and paid well.”

 

From that one-round workout I had determined that Norton had the style to lick Ali.  He just didn’t have experience yet.  Norton’s style was perfect.  He was strong.  He was awkward.  And he was tall, as tall as Ali.  Then I started putting their two styles together, thinking how Norton could avoid Ali’s strengths, while exploiting Ali’s weaknesses. 

 

Ali made a mistake that he was able to get away with most of the time because of his great reflexes.  But it was very dangerous.  The classic style is when you jab you carry your right hand high to parry the other fellow’s jab or straight right hand.  Ali carried his right hand out to the side because he knew he could get away with it.  Ali had that quick left hand that was more of a flick than a good jab.  But it was so fast.  If you tried to slip his jab and counterpunch he was gone.  If you tried to pull away and counterpunch he was gone.  If you tried to bob underneath he was gone.  What ever you did he was just too quick. 

 

As soon as Norton started training to fight Ali in the San Diego arena, I thought about what had happened in their one round workout in the Hoover Street Gym.  I told him, “You’re not going to hit Ali by slipping or pulling back or dropping underneath or parrying.  You have to hit him when he’s punching.  When he starts to jab, you punch with him.  Keep your right hand high.  His jab will pop into the middle of your glove and then your jab will come right down the pipe into the middle of his face.  Every time he starts to punch, don’t pull back go forward toward him.”  That’s what Norton did.  That’s what destroyed Ali’s rhythm.

 

But there was another important factor: where Norton was in the ring when he went forward.  I told him, “If you start from the centre of the ring, it’ll take you only three moves to get Ali on the ropes.  Every time you jab, step in and make him jab again.  Then do the same thing.”  With both of them being big heavyweights, I knew if Norton was in the centre of the ring when he countered Ali’s jab, those three moves would back Ali into the ropes.

 

When he got Ali on the ropes, I told him, “Don’t do like all the other guys do.  Don’t throw your hook to the head.  He’ll pull back against the ropes and when you’re off balance he’ll pepper you with counterpunches.  When he’s on the ropes, instead of going to the head with the left hook, start banging his body with both hands.  I don’t care whether you land or not.  Make him in order to protect his body, bring his elbows down and his head down.  That gives you a shot to the head.”  Simple.  So simple but Ali could never figure it out.  What he should’ve done was kept his right hand up high to parry Norton’s jab and countered with another jab.  Once he parried Norton’s jab, Norton’s jab would have gone over his shoulder.  He could jab right back.  He could do anything he wanted, because he had gotten rid of Norton’s jab.  But he never did.  It was a basic move.  But he’d done it the other way for so long he didn’t know how to change.

 

 

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This is great. What book is it from?

Also – Futch mentored Freddie Roach, didn’t he?

by taco pal on Sep 5, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes he did.
Good read Bill Humphrey.I too would like to have seen a book by Eddie Futch,possibly the greatest trainer ever.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 6, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good article.

Wonderful to hear a top boxing mind dissect a style.

by Don From Prov on Sep 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Can anybody list any other of the greatest trainers?
Ted,you should know a few.I reckon Freddie is on his way to being up there with the best.As far as someone like Angelo Dundee goes,i’m not sure.Did the fighters (mainly Ali and Leonard) make the trainer in that case or what?
I’ve got Dundee’s book but haven’t read it yet but i’m sure he was an excellent trainer in his own right.Got Ray Arcel’s too though that one has had mixed reviews.

by Matt Mosley on Sep 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of the old timers were Angelo Dundee, Ray Arcel, Whitey Bimstein, Al Silvani and Al Goldman.

Here are 2 links to 2 good books:

Corner Men

Boxint Trainers

by Bill Humphrey on Sep 7, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I have Corner Men

It’s a good read. Maybe a little too centered on the guys from Stillman’s, but then again they had a lot of great trainers and great fighters.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article

Thanks for sharing.
Which specific book did this entry come from?

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 8, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also worth a mention that Futch trained 4 of the 5 fighters who beat Ali, inc Frazier and Norton

by Bill Humphrey on Sep 7, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Eddie was the man

Futch was like the link from the 30s and 40s to the 70s and 80s . Ali always had problem with speed , a good jab and the left hook . Norton liked to fight circling to his right which was VERY unusual for a heavyweight , his stance was actually similar to Rocky Marciano . When Ali was able to actually stick and move he usually had Norton covered but when he flattened out or was caught on the ropes Kenny gave him hell . I wont give Futch as much credit for Frazier as I do for Norton beating Ali . Yank Durham was Joe’s trainer , Eddie was only his trainer in the second and third Ali – Frazier fights which Joe lost . Great read thanks Bill.

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Sep 7, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Gil Clancy

another smart boxing bloke

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Sep 7, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Its funny

Angelo Dundee always trained cuties . Pastrano , Luis Rodriguez , Jimmy Ellis . Similar to the way all Cus D’Amatos top fighters were attacking bangers with great counter punching skills( and using a peek a boo defence ) . Manny Steward is another trainer with a niche . Tall jabbers with great right crosses and little infighting ability .

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.

by JC40 on Sep 7, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

With regards to the Ali Frazier fight I’m sure it was Futch who spotted Ali’s weakness when he threw a right uppercut, Futch said that Ali could not throw the right uppercut properly and lowered his right arm to do so and told Frazier to nail him with a left hook when Ali tried to throw the punch. I think it was the 11th round when Ali hit the canvas trying to throw the right U and got nailed by a left hook.

by Bill Humphrey on Sep 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill, it was the 15th and last round of fight One ...

When Joe reached all the way down to Beaufort South Carolina and knocked Ali on his ass with that hellascious left hook.

Or should I say that Bad Left Hook.

by pakinpower on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eddie Futch was the man who told Joe Frazier after 14 murderous rounds in the third and last fight to " Sit Down, Son. No one will ever forget what you did in that ring tonight".

Man… was he ever right.

by pakinpower on Sep 8, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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