Ring of Fire: Michael Katsidis Out of March Fight, Joan Guzman Released, Khan-Prescott II, and More
by Scott Christ on Jan 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST
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Michael Katsidis Won't Fight Robert Guerrero on March 5
Michael Rosenthal of The Ring reported last night that Michael Katsidis has decided to not fight on March 5 against Robert Guerrero, with devastating floods in Australia given as the reason for the pull-out on the bout. This is the second time that Guerrero and Katsidis have tried to get together for a fight, and in both cases, legitimate reasons blocked the fight from happening. Last year, Guerrero pulled out when his wife fell ill.
The two were going to fight on HBO, which would have been paired with Saul Alvarez's next bout. Alvarez is still tentatively scheduled for the date, and HBO still has it open. Zab Judah is also fighting Kaizer Mabuza that night in New Jersey, but that's not part of the same card. Rosenthal says that Golden Boy is pushing a fight between Jason Litzau and Adrien Broner, which I would have to say is a pretty good first HBO fight for Broner, a 19-0 (16 KO) prospect from Cincinnati, about whom I've heard mixed analysis over the years but haven't seen enough of myself to make any judgment calls.
Katsidis-Guerrero could be revisited later in the year, I'd guess. You have to give Katsidis credit for even intending to take a March fight with someone as good as Guerrero after the beating he took from Juan Manuel Marquez in November. But that's Michael Katsidis for you.
End of the Line for Joan Guzman
After failing a drug test following his knockout of club fighter Jason Davis on the Khan-Maidana card in December, Joan Guzman has been released from his contract by Golden Boy Promotions.
Guzman tested positive for a diuretic banned in Nevada, not a steroid or other performance-enhancing drug of note, though as always you have to note that diuretics can be used as masking agents for those drugs. Guzman also didn't make weight for the fight, which is his standard, and ruined any plan that HBO and Golden Boy had to foolishly match Guzman with Khan this year.
At this point, you can consider Joan Guzman all but done. He'll keep fighting, somewhere, for someone, but it's over now. Guzman was at one time one of the slickest, most avoided fighters in the sport. Those days are long gone. He has completely destroyed what was once a promising career, and he's 34 years old now. He will have wasted opportunities to make some good money and really make his mark on boxing. He had that level of talent. But he threw it away. That's how it goes sometimes. Hell, there was a time when some felt Guzman (at 130 pounds) was the most dangerous fight in the world for Manny Pacquiao, back when Manny was really starting to peak, or so we thought. With no promoter and the doors closed at TV networks, his career is effectively finished.
Expect the WBC to name him an interim champion next week.
Say No to Khan-Prescott II
Dan Rafael posted something I'd expect out of someone who doesn't really follow boxing, but not from ESPN's lead boxing voice. It centers on Rafael wondering just why, oh why, Breidis Prescott isn't being considered as Amir Khan's opponent. How many times do people need to see Prescott lose before they accept that his win over Khan was a fluke? Prescott has shown nothing in his career outside of a 54-second knockout of a cold Khan. That's all he's ever done that's been impressive. Even his better wins were struggles, and none of them are that good to begin with. Prescott has lost to Kevin Mitchell and Miguel Vazquez since beating Khan. His wins have been nothing special. Why is there this need with some people to see Khan blow Prescott out? And believe me, if it happens, Khan will absolutely shred Breidis Prescott. This isn't the 2008 Amir Khan anymore. This is a Freddie Roach-trained, confident, 140-pound Amir Khan who is better than he was then. Prescott, frankly, probably isn't even as good as he was then. Khan stood up to a barrage of shots from Marcos Maidana. Do we actually need to waste a fight of Khan's career on Prescott at this stage? And calling down "unknown to American fans" on John Murray and Paul McCloskey is pointless, as Prescott also has zero name in the States. The biggest win of his career wasn't even televised here.
Past that, there are some interesting tidbits in Dan's blog, including talk of Joel Julio-Delvin Rodriguez on FNF and his thoughts on a few other things. I don't mean to slam Rafael with this, it just seems almost childish to me that anyone thinks Khan NEEDS to beat Prescott. Prescott has been terribly exposed, and not in that way that everyone uses "exposed" all the time. He's really been exposed.
However, I'm going to throw a poll onto this post at the bottom. Do YOU want to see Khan-Prescott II? Do you think it's necessary?
Odds and Ends
Mark Staniforth of Sporting Life brings us an intriguing new idea: Evander Holyfield is too old and should retire.
Eric Raskin of The Ring has a good piece on HBO and the Montiel-Donaire fight, which oh my God, appears to actually be happening.
Top Rank's Facebook has some shots of Miguel Cotto and Ricardo Mayorga together. Mayorga looks a lot bigger than Cotto.
Don King and Gary Shaw are begging people to ignore the ticket sales and just focus on the Alexander-Bradley fight on January 29. I will meet this halfway and give them credit for getting out of casinos. That's fine, I agree with Shaw that he's right that people have said they should do that, and they've done it. Kudos, gentlemen. However, you picked maybe the worst possible location for this fight. King makes the point that it's TV that matters, and he's right. That's where most of the money is coming from, and both he and Shaw did a great job with HBO. But still, this fight never should have gone to Pontiac, Michigan.
One last late addition, and this is just for the gamblers, perhaps. I'm not one (my damned wife won't let me bet our money on sports, can you believe this crap?), but I found Kevin Iole's recent story interesting.
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I forgot to mention this and don’t feel like editing it in: Cotto-Mayorga is a Showtime PPV, not a Top Rank PPV. Good news is that means good commentators.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I have absolutely no interest in paying 15 quid to see Amir Khan beat Breidis Prescott.
There is no intrigue, no mystery, no excitement behind that fight. Dan Rafael replied to a Tweet of mine saying “Khan should have no problem fighting him again and showing the firts knockout was a fluke”; yeah, Khan would have no problem with that, but the point is that its a worthless, shoddy, piss poor fight.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
I have no interest in paying 0 quid
People would literally have to pay me to watch this fight. It is beyond a mismatch and stupid to have them fight again. Khan already proved that he has gotten a lot better when he gets stunned, why do we need this fight again? There are only 300 million options at 140, and Prescott is your best option? Really?
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 19, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
I really don’t understand Dan Rafael here, and I normally think he’s quite good. There aren’t thaaaat many options any more at 140 (mostly because they’ve all been beaten by the big three, one way or the other) but, hey, anything really is better than Prescott.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 19, 2011 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd personally like to see Junior Witter ahead of either McCloskey or Prescott in the list of potential/possible opponents.
And I’d like to see Zab Judah ahead of him. In fact Zab/Khan is a good fight, I think, or as good as there is until after Bradley/Alexander.
Errr…. there are others, but my mind has gone completely blank.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Witter says he’s fighting at welterweight now, but I’m sure he could do 140 again, and yeah, that’s a fight I thought about too. He’s not as good as he once was, but I’d still be ok with that fight. Zab’s booked in with Kaizer Mabuza right now, so I doubt there being much chance of it happening in time for April 16.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 20, 2011 3:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
personally, i’d never want to see witter fight again. he stinks elite level fights so badly, and he doesn’t have the power to KO someone. so what’s the point of watching him i ask.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I think he's a better opponent for Khan than McCloskey or Prescott, or Murray....
But hell, it’s irrelevant. I’m just some guy on a website, Junior Witter is fighting at 147 now, and I’ve not seen anyone else but me mention that Witter is a decent potential opponent. So it won’t happen, and I won’t lose any sleep either. :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Look, I totally understand and agree with all of your thoughts about Khan-Prescott II. But this one fact remains: Prescott knocked him out, and Khan may very want to get his vengeance. Avenging losses is part of the game, and part of the rich history of the sport, but more than that it will show any dimension to Khan (just as his fight with Maidana did).
I think it’s a decent fight. It was a bad knockout, and so much of boxing is a mental game that it leaves an open question whether or not Khan might melt down, or over commit in an attempt to prove something and get caught again. Sure, we all think that Khan is better than him, and sure we all think that he’ll blow Prescott out in a rematch… but that’s all horsecrap until it actually happens. Right now, the history books has Khan-Prescott 0-1(KO).
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Jan 19, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My issue is less with Khan-Prescott, perhaps, than with having to spend time watching Prescott fight at all. He stinks.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 19, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
OK, well I guess my real issue was with “Do we actually need to waste a fight of Khan’s career on Prescott at this stage?” I don’t see avenging a knockout loss as a waste. It’s important for his career and his legacy…. not that it will ruin his legacy or whatever if he doesn’t fight him, but it will be an unavenged KO loss. Besides, there have been many mediocre fighters who just “had the number” of a much better guy, or were able to crawl back inside their heads.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Mayorga/Forrest...
Besides, there have been many mediocre fighters who just "had the number" of a much better guy, or were able to crawl back inside their heads.
And I suppose one could even argue for Forrest/Mosley, and then, if you wanted to go a step further, Mosley/De La Hoya.
But the first one I mention is the clearest example of that little lot.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
No, I’m not talking about those kinds of fights at all.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Looking back at your post, it would seem the only one that actually does fit is Mayorga/Forrest.
I got carried away going along that train of thought. :/
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Sadly, I don’t think even a decisive revenge win would get him the respect he deserves.
Look at a guy like Lucian Bute, who rematched Andrade after a controversial knockdown (not even a loss, mind you). No matter how dominant Bute’s 2nd win was, it appears he’ll never live it down, until he gets a couple of huge wins down the line.
Same thing for Khan. They say the best revenge is living well, which is what Khan should do. The best way to “atone” would be to get a couple more huge wins (Maidana was a good start) and leave Prescott in his dust. A Prescott KO wouldn’t get the doubters off his tail, imo.
by Laydownthelaw on Jan 19, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. I think Bute is a prime example. He did what he needed to do: removed all doubt and got respect for it. Leaving aside ecomonics for a second, he had even less of a boxing reason to rematch Andrade then Khan does Prescott. Bute got the win, and the controversy was more about Marlon Wright’s goofiness than the result. Still Bute got in there and blew Andrade apart in the rematch, and it removed a small smudge from his career. It was a smart move. Down the road, you would have heard the usual suspects whispering about how Andrade “got robbed,” but no more.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Montell Griffin *victory over Roy Jones Junior
Roy wanted the KO in the rematch to erase any doubts.
when Quintana derailed Williams, PW needed to erase the blemish.
My guess is that Khan might very well want to settle the score with Prescott…. but only if the money is right. For him
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
a big difference between the rematches of jones/griffin and williams/quintana compared to a possible khan/prescott rematch is that jones and williams fought their rematches right away. very next fight. within 6 months.
there’s something more respectable about wanting an immediate rematch, rather than waiting a couple of years. unless prescott was still considered a good fighter, that would be another story….
i’d still watch it though. it’s got built-in drama.
The fact that Prescott-Khan 2 didn’t happen right away was obviously not Prescott’s fault. I’m sure he would of jumped at the chance. But there was no way Khan was not gonna go near another puncher any time soon after getting creamed.
"Your a fool. You were a tool from the very beginning. They used you to force my hand. And either way, you lost. By all rights, I should of killed you. And you know it"
No matter how dominant Bute’s 2nd win was, it appears he’ll never live it down, until he gets a couple of huge wins down the line.
Have to agree with this. Khan can’t rewind time an change the fact he was ko’d. Even if khan fought him another 99 times and won, it would still be 99-1. Prescott can enjoy his ‘giant-killing’, if he wants to hang with the big boys he should try working his way into the big league.
If he hadn't already beaten Maidana
Who’s MUCH better and a bigger puncher, I might have more desire for the fight. Otherwise, it’s just a rematch for the sake of vengeance, which I’m not a fan of.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Look all I’m saying is that there’s a middle ground between Manny Pacquiao not needing to avenge himself against Medgoen Singsurat and Duran having to avenge himself against DeJesus, and Khan-Prescott II falls smack in the middle of it. Just as there’s a middle ground between Dan Rafael acting like there’s no way a rematch should be questionable and Scott saying that there’s no way the match should be made. I’m on that middle ground. It would be a milestone fight for Khan, erasing a black mark on his record against a guy who would walk in with an obvious mental edge… having violently parted Khan from his senses two years ago. This would be a great time for a vengeance bout.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
It would be a milestone fight for Khan, erasing a black mark on his record against a guy who would walk in with an obvious mental edge… having violently parted Khan from his senses two years ago. This would be a great time for a vengeance bout.
^ This.
I don’t like the fight more than anyone else, but this is sound reasoning as to why it could happen.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
It would be a milestone fight for Khan, erasing a black mark on his record against a guy who would walk in with an obvious mental edge
See, where I’m at is, it would be a milestone fight for Prescott, getting to cash in on a payday he doesn’t really deserve after proving he sucks for the last two years.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
but I see your point
And respect it. That’s why I ax’d the peanut gallery.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
I don’t get this post at all.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
OK.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
What's the peanut gallery?
Chaos100: lost.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Wikipedia:
A peanut gallery is an audience that heckles the performer. The term originated in the days of vaudeville as a nickname for the cheapest (and ostensibly rowdiest) seats in the theater; the least expensive snack served at the theater would often be peanuts, which the patrons would sometimes throw at the performers on stage to show their disapproval. The phrases “no comments from the peanut gallery” or “quiet in the peanut gallery” are extensions of the name.
In the late 1940s the Howdy Doody show adopted the name to represent their audience of 40 children.
I’m that old, it’s the usage from Howdy Doody that I remember. I hadn’t realized it went back further. With the childrens’ show, it references the usage of the word “peanut” to mean a little kid.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
should have used quotes till "I'm that old. . ."
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Well, I mean it seems like the voting probably isn’t as one-sided as you thought, to be fair. I’m glad you included it.
Look, I usually hate to talk about money – because I’m not getting any of it, and because we’re talking about spending it – but I do think this could generate interest in the U.K. I get the sense that Khan is still sort of a contentious figure among fans there, and it would do us well to remember that back when Prescott yanked Khan’s dimmer switch out of the wall, his chin was instantly about as questionable among boxing fans as Natalie Portman’s.
In 2008, Breidis Prescott not only almost derailed Khan’s career, he altered the entire perception of Khan. And it didn’t help matters when Khan took on a badly faded and perforated Barrera afterwards. Since then, Khan blew out Malignaggi, who can’t punch, and squeaked by Maidana – a tough guy with very limited boxing ability. He has answered certain questions in some of our minds, but conquering your conqueror isn’t necessarily a cakewalk if you don’t have a certain mental faculty, even if he “stinks.”
And before someone chimes in with “How will they sell it?”… What better way to sell a fight then showing the favorite getting flattened by the underdog in the promos?
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Khan-Prescott undoubtedly makes money here. A lot of people blindly watch Amir Khan and David Haye, and this will be very easy to market. Considering Khan sold well against Dmitry Salita, he can sure as hell do better in a Prescott rematch.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 20, 2011 4:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m sort of glad you said it OliGold, because I didn’t want to seem like I was smearing British boxing fans. But yeah, without dancing around it, I have seen much worse fights sell big in England in recent years, including much worse Amir Khan fights.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
'his chin was instantly about as questionable as Natalie Portman's'....
Khan’s chin was very questionable well before the Prescott fight – that was simply the first point that it was completely cracked. And I don’t get the Natalie Portman analogy?! (I can be slow sometimes, I know…lol)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't think Natalie Portman 'means' anything.....
other than she’s a girl, and not exactly a diesel dyke…. It was as fitting an example as there was.
But for the record… I think she has a lovely chin. And a lovely everything else, for that matter… :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
agreed :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I just saw “Black Swan.” Her defense looked very suspect to me.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Jan 20, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I reckon it’d be easy to get inside and work on that body…..
I think I’ll stop there….
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
maybe her chin gets better as she goes up in weight like Khan :)
Looking forward to seeing that movie actually, although heard mixed reviews. What did you think?
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Her footwork was excellent
It was good flick if you like weird movies, which I sometimes do. But it’s not weird like a David Lynch film, where half the time you want your money back. It’s kind of a horror picture, even though they sort of dance around that fact in the promotions. I’d say check it out.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I think Natalie Portman is pretty damn close to being "Ideal Woman #1"
She’s scorching hot, she’s got her own money, she has a career, she speaks seven languages or something like that (so obviously not daft), she comes across really nice in her interviews….
Anyone got her phone number? :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
lol
Anne Hathaway would be slightly higher just in terms of looks for me…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
sounds like a plan.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
black swan was like fight club meets ballet. not a horror, but i would say big psychological thriller with dark elements. heres’ the best interview of hers;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVq_UL48o0
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
actually I didn't expect the voting to be one-sided at all
I’m aware there are plenty of people who think a Breidis Prescott fight isn’t a waste of time somehow. I just wanted to see how it would turn out.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why the hell not??
Any fight he takes right now is essentially a tune-up (what are we going to learn about Khan given the names being throw around)… Why not take this fight, which is a waste of one of his career fights any ways you slice it, knock this guy out in 54 seconds this time and we can stop hearing about the flash KO…..
I do agree that the Maidana should have cleared up the chin talk, but again, why the hell not!? Its certainly an easy sell, and you kill two birds with one stone,
I think Scott sums up the “why not” pretty well above. Prescott has not had good showings since kayoing Khan, and chances are it won’t be a good fight.
But, yeah, so what. Let’s see it. If Khan and Prescott both want it – and why wouldn’t they? – this would be the perfect time to get it on and over with. It’s not like this fight happened a hundred years ago. It wasn’t so long ago that fans were badmouthing Khan for taking on MAB and Salito, and talking about his dainty little chin. Now the rhetoric has swung to the other extreme, and he has the iron beard of Julio Cesar Chavez. I say let Khan try to reverse his loss while there is a lull in his schedule.
And who knows? If Prescott were to pull something off a second tiome, it would be a one of those great boxing stories.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Is Prescott still fighting at 135?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
nah
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I agree with most of what Scott said regarding Prescott...
I just said “why the hell not” because the alternatives for Khan are shit….. And just because Prescott has not been great lately, I don’t really think you need to earn a rematch with a guy you murdered a couple of years ago…
That’s not to say a guy always needs to avenge his losses to be great, but the timing is right, the money is right, you can get the loss on your record vindicated… This fight makes the most sense right now and is by far the most marketable for a tweener….
I would go so far as to say what other fight is there for Amir?
Scott, if you read this, you say we should say no to this fight, but what fight would you like to see for Khan in this spot, given that he is really just waiting out Bradley-Alexander?
Thanks for all your great work!
That’s not to say a guy always needs to avenge his losses to be great, but the timing is right, the money is right, you can get the loss on your record vindicated… This fight makes the most sense right now and is by far the most marketable for a tweener….
Yep! Exactly.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
juanma mtagwa is one thing, but a lucky ko can hardly be considered something worth watching, but that’s just me. also, what has prescott done lately also is high on the scale to seeing how a fight can be made on the business end. in addition, i do think it’s a bitch move that khan didn’t rematch him soon after, but instead fought some easy fights while prescott got beat in other fights, then one can say that prescott is not at his level without ever having to fight him , but this was like one or two years ago, not recent news. also, juanma, instead of rematching mtagwa let gamboa take out hte trash, im’sure he wants nothing to do with the zombie who chased him around for 12 rounds. pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
"show another dimension"
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Well I could get started on old Danny boy, but I don't want to get banned--I mean I could
just say he is …………………..but I won’t
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
Guerrero is lucky
Katsidis pulled out of that fight, I could see him pounding out a tko stoppage. Guerrero is lacking a certain something that will hold him back.
i disagree, i think guerrero is awsome, and would beat katsidis, even tho i’m a big katsidis fan.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I don’t think Guerrero is awesome but I do think he would beat Katsidis fairly handily.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 21, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
there are moments in Guerreos fights where I think hes absolutely brilliant and think maybe this man could an elite fighter, but theres other times where i see him getting beat up/out boxed by a lesser fighter, Klassen and Escobedo come to mind. Katsidis doesn’t have those lapses he comes to fight and he knows what he does well and that’s take advantage of guys with no heart.
Guerrero’s been very uneven, excuses excuses maybe, but I do bthink it relates to his wife’s health issues. Got to take the heart out of anybody. One can hope that with her being stabilized, maybe cured by the latest treatment, he’ll be more consistent.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Ahh you have a point, you know as blind as I may seem I almost forgot that his wife had cancer and never really thought about how much that really does affect his in ring performances, I mean when a family member is going through something that devastating how could it not affect him in his profession . And having Guerrero fight Katsidis it seems to me that Goldenboy have now made Kat a gate keeper so to speak, a name to have on the resume, I think the logic being hell he lost to every other good fighter we put him in,Guerrero it seems is there to scrape up the left overs.Lets hope the fight finally gets made.
I feel katsidis is far from a gatekeeper, as he’s still a solid contender, he still gave marquez a tough fight, he almost and should have knocked out casamayor when he still meant something, and he took out prospect kevin mitchell easily. B+ fighter or solid B fighter imo, with potential to be near A- on some nights. pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I comletely agree
That Mitchell fight was quite an ass whooping,
It was great.
I had a punt on Katsidis by stoppage, because I couldn’t believe that Mitchell was favourite. I cheered the bloody house down. :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I would loveto see Khan-Prescott 2
because Khan can’t retire undefeated but he can beat Prescott and when he retires he can say I beat every man I fought.
That is the best thing after being undefeated. Khan is going to be a very very good fighter and have a great career. I think he deserves to retire saying I beat them all.
Do you mind if I ask, then:
Do you think Manny Pacquaio should also rematch the club fighters he lost to way back when?
I mean, I can see your logic, and it does have its merits, but surely if the answer to my question is “No, because they are irrelevant now” then that could also be applied to Khan?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Prescott wasn’t way back when, imo. He was pretty recent, especially compared with MP’s losses.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I wasn't saying Prescott was 'way back when'.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I was one of many wanting to see a rematch with Khan/Prescott..
But having seen the way he has progressed in the last couple of years, especially the way he stood up to some thundering shots from Maidana, I dont see the point. Now… If Amir was fighting, say 3-4 times a year at least, then I’d feel different. Given all the fannying around these days just to make a single match-up, I feel it would be a waste of a Khan fight. Just a thought…
Like Lennox
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
meant for Tyler
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
The article re limiting of bets is no surprise to me
It happens all the time, SportingBet are among the worst culprits. At the end of the day, if you’re consistently successful in one sport then the bookies don’t want to know. Especially with everything done online now, they can instantly see where you profit/loss is made and limit accordingly. Crooks, I say
I am all for Khan-Prescott 2. Yes I’m in agreement Prescott is not as good as originally thought of. But he still destroyed Khan in less than 60 seconds. And no matter how many people try to sweep it under the rug it can not be ignored. Khan has looked improved since. And should be a big favorite. But it don’t mean it’s a given he’ll win. It hasn’t even been 3 months since I saw Gilberto Keb Baas beat Omar Romero for a 2nd time. And nobody is gonna tell me Romero wasn’t a huge favorite going in. Cause he was. A Prescott repeat win would be no shock to me. People are trying to use Khan’s Maidana win as it being redemption for him. How is that? Maidana wasn’t the one who knocked him out. Prescott was. Not only that but Khan was hurt in the Maidana fight. And he barely survived. Part of the reason was he actually benefited from Maidana’s long looping punches. If Maidana was a straight puncher he would of ended it. Prescott actually throws straight punches
"Your a fool. You were a tool from the very beginning. They used you to force my hand. And either way, you lost. By all rights, I should of killed you. And you know it"
Redemption
because it showed that he could Take a punch. It doesn’t matter one iota that it wasn’t Prescott, it was from the biggest puncher in the division. Of Course Khan was hurt, but so what? Before the fight most people thought that if Maidana touched that chin that would be the end of it. It wasn’t. He barely survived, but He Did. Thats the main thing. He never even went to the ground Once. This from a guy that was rocked by Willie Limond, Gomez, and looked like he would never have a credible career again after Prescott, and was ridiculed by many for avoiding the Maidana fight till he had to. How is the Maidana fight NOT redemption for him?!
Prescott may throw straight punches, but he’s shown since that he’s an infinitely worse boxer than Maidana. Maidana didn’t fail to finish Khan because he throws looping punches, he failed because Khan’s chin is a lot better than it was, and he’s a lot tougher than he was against Prescott.
Some people will always think he’s a mere ‘con’ though, hey VD? ;-)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
a mere ‘con’
I see what you did there ;)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
haha
nah, that one’s from Gerald a while back, using ‘Con’ for Khan when he was delaying Maidana, and I saw the full thing on another site…so I can’t take any credit :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I’ve had my yahoo account for 8 years. It opened the door. I just walked in.
"Your a fool. You were a tool from the very beginning. They used you to force my hand. And either way, you lost. By all rights, I should of killed you. And you know it"
some things change
and some styles stay the same ;)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Should Juanma rematch Mtagwe
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I wasn’t aware Lopez lost to him. Yes he had a scare. But his win was pretty clear cut.
"Your a fool. You were a tool from the very beginning. They used you to force my hand. And either way, you lost. By all rights, I should of killed you. And you know it"
a bit like Bute's last round in his 'win' over Andrade.
Bute avenged his near loss.
Juanma moved on.
I am not making direct comparisons but simply citing examples of recent acts of redemption and revenge for near or actul losses.
Khan like Juanma are stars which in today’s boxing world allows them the ‘privilege’ of moving on and away from opponents who beat them or came close to doing so.
As fans, We can always debate their honor and virtues, question their reasons, and critique them.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
The thing is Lopez-Mtagwa and Bute-Andrade were competitive fights. Were the winner survived a scare but it’s obvious who the winner was. There is really no need to avenge a fight you clearly won. If the fighter chose to (like in Bute’s case) than fine. Khan-Prescott was not in the least competitive. It was a massacre in which one fighter was Gone in 54 seconds. How can a fighter not want to avenge a loss like that?
"Your a fool. You were a tool from the very beginning. They used you to force my hand. And either way, you lost. By all rights, I should of killed you. And you know it"
You're right ... if you put it that way
It’s not like people are going to forget.
On the other hand, there are incidents, although not nearly so grave as this, in other fighter’s careers which continued to cast doubts and shadows ober them but for which they chose to simply move on and not address.
I don’t think the demand is that great for Prescott and thus the money might not be right. If it were, I have to believe Khan would take it.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
he got koncked out the last two rounds, he stumbled his way to victory by the mere virtue of being on his feet.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
yes, mtagwa after taking the kitchen sink, hit him from pillar to post, but is it good business? high risk, low reward, his handlers will get him as far way from rogers as possible.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I dont need to see Khan vs Prescott II. They are different leagues apart. At first Prescott was meant to be a stepping stone and someone to give the Khan of 08 a few different looks but still get away with the win. A now improved Khan who faced a better version of Prescott in Maidana would have no problems beating Prescott now.
That said I can see why Khan would want to fight Prescott for obvious reasons and if its made I’ll still watch it
"A hero has faced it all: he need not be undefeated, but he must be undaunted." - Andrew Bernstein
I don’t particularly like Dan Rafael. I read him mainly because he has good contacts and he gets a lot of information. But a l don’t particularly respects his "analysis… Furthermore, he seems like an ass. I’ve stopped reading his chats (though there’s usually good info there) because of his arrogance and attitude. He’ll ignore completely legitimate questions and just reply with insults or one liners that really just make my blood boil.
Steve Addazio is gone! Thank you Temple!!!!
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
agree on Rafael
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Make that two!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
I’m not in favour of Khan rematching Prescott. Honestly, I’d be quite shocked if Prescott managed to even be competitive against Amir Khan at this point. However, I could understand if Khan wanted the fight to kind of “face his fears”. We all have situations in our past that haunt us… Yes, Khan survived a big puncher in Maidana, but psychologically, it might benefit him to actually go back and beat the man who beat him. This is THE ONLY reason I could see for Khan/Prescott 2.
Steve Addazio is gone! Thank you Temple!!!!
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
Too Late
I think that if Khan were to ever fight Prescott, it should have been a fight or two after they fought originally, when the fight would have been more viable financially. Even when it happened I thought it was a bit of a fluke, and BP has been exposed as an average (at best) fighter. Also, good riddance to Joan Guzman. I’m not sure if i could miss any fighter less.
Believe you me, I find this son of Africa quite affable. But, still he must get a proper trashing. I plan to crimson his face with a series of dapper lefts, then bring issue to rest a powerful blow, upon his dark and mysterious brow. For as we all know, the muscular African is no match for the lanky, smooth-talking Irishman, and history will prove me correct!
You are right about the timing, this fight would make sense if it was made right away, after the loss. Fuck the financial part, who cares how much they make. Prescott is a mediocre fighter, Khan is an exceptional fighter, but what I really wanted to comment on is Guzman. I will never miss him, his fights were boring and he fucked nate cambpell and funeka, and somehow got away with it, good riddance.
Everyone fucked Funeka.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Funeka also screwed himself though
For also flunking a diuretic test.
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including himself
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
I say we ban the mention of Joan Guzman… that and the communist regime.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
And the IRA
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
Only the IRA terrorists
Their assassins are fair game.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Ah, forgot the distinction.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just move in.
This vote is a lot closer than I thought it would be.
At time of posting it is 58-41 in favour of ‘No’.
I thought it would be more like 85-15.
I guess there are still questions that need answering, in the minds of a very significant minority.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Amir "the King" Khan Should Fight Ray "the Emperor" Narh
Amir Khan should fight Ray Narh. Former Olympian, former British Commonwealth Gold Medalist, current WBC USNBC Jr. Welterweight Champion. Khan is scared. He claims he wants to fight the best but he is hiding from this slick boxer/puncher from Ghana. Decide for yourself. Listen Khan: We are ready to see you in Manchester on April 16th. “Stop Running”
I AM THE NEXT AMIR KHAN CHALLENGER
www. ipetitions.com/petition/Fight-Me-Amir-Khan
Stop Running!!
Are you Ray Narh?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
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