Ring of Fire: Holyfield No-Contest, McDonnell-Jamoye War, Jean Pascal, and More
by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2011 1:28 AM EST
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Evander Holyfield-Sherman Williams Goes to a No-Contest
Evander Holyfield became a Twitter trending topic tonight, but didn't win a fight or anything. The 48-year-old former undisputed champion of the world went to a no-contest with Sherman "The Tank" Williams in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. The fight was stopped due to a clash of heads that opened a cut over Holyfield's eye, and after three rounds, he said he couldn't see. Holyfield was reportedly hurt in the third round on body shots from Williams.
Their records remain the same, as Holyfield is still 43-10-2 (28 KO) and Williams is 34-11-2 (19 KO).
McDonnell Tops Jamoye in Friday War
European bantamweight champion Jamie McDonnell (16-2-1, 7 KO) took a majority decision victory over Stephane Jamoye (19-2, 9 KO) in Doncaster on Friday, with the fight earning rave reviews. I didn't catch it, but BrianBrock did, and here are some of his thoughts I'm going to steal out of the fight preview thread:
I don’t think this was an example of (home cooking), (McDonnell's) clearly got every single close round, but there we go. When he needed to win the 12th, I think he got that one clearly enough with no favors, so he deserved it. And it was not looking good at all for him after the first two rounds – Jamoye came at him like a whirlwind, beating him to the punch and quite frankly looking a couple of classes above him. He badly hurt him in the second round and he did awesome to even make it close from there, as Jamoye never stopped coming. And while he should have had a point deduction earlier, the ref was brave to do it in R11 (just when I was thinking he wouldn’t do it that late in a close fight).
I'm sure the fight will make its way to YouTube soon enough.
Jean Pascal's Future, and the Rematch Dilemma(s)
The headaches continue with the light heavyweight championship of the world, as nobody really knows right now what exactly Jean Pascal will do next. The WBC has ordered a rematch with Bernard Hopkins. The WBC belt, along with the legitimate championship from Ring Magazine, is held by Pascal. But there is still that pesky contractual obligation for a rematch with Chad Dawson. Lem Satterfield from FanHouse has this from Dawson's promoter, Gary Shaw:
"My reaction is that we have a contract, and that the WBC can rule whatever they want. It doesn't over rule the contract that I have with Yvon Michel. Yvon Michel is a gentleman and I believe that he will honor our contract. I'm not going to go on record with anything other than that," said Shaw.
"Except that I will say that I trust Yvon Michel, and I believe that I have a solid contract for a rematch with Jean Pascal," said Shaw. "I have a long-standing relationship Yvon Michel. Yvon has always been a gentleman. He called me today ask me for the dates that they're willing to do the fight, and I have sent a letter off to HBO requesting those dates."
The WBC is adamant about Pascal-Hopkins II, but Shaw isn't buying in. Michel, for his part, says that HBO is "the trigger" here. If they buy Pascal-Dawson II, that's the fight that will be next, it appears. If they don't, Michel says they'll talk with the Hopkins camp.
Well we had about four months of a new real champion before the nonsense set in.
After the jump, odds and ends featuring Saul Alvarez, Bradley-Alexander and David Lemieux, and an open letter from DeMarcus "Chop Chop" Corley's manager following a supposedly controversial loss in Argentina to Lucas Matthysse.
Odds and Ends
A March 5 fight between Saul Alvarez and European welterweight champion Matthew Hatton has been signed and announced officially, as expected. The fight will be at the Honda Center in Anaheim and will headline HBO Boxing After Dark. There is talk that James Kirkland could also fight on the show, but there's been a lot of talk about James Kirkland fighting on shows, so don't count your chickens and all that. In a Golden Boy press release, the fighters unveiled such exciting stock thoughts as Alvarez's "I know he's hungry, but I want it more" and Hatton's "I've paid my dues and now I'll show my skills to the world." I suppose the world is America, and as an American who has watched Hatton's last four notable fights live, he is a major underdog for a reason.
Timothy Bradley and the WBC have kissed and made up, so the WBC junior welterweight title will be on the line next Saturday when Bradley faces Devon Alexander. As Bradley had vacated the WBC title before, the so-called "sanctioning body" was going to declare the title (currently held by Alexander) vacant if Bradley had won the fight. But it's up for grabs for everyone, so that means these two fighters will give their hard-earned money to Jose Sulaiman's alleged "sanctioning body" for the right to claim a trinket one of them might well give away in the near future.
Dan Rafael has reported that a deal has been reached for the fight between David Lemieux and Marco Antonio Rubio, with April 8 in Montreal as the date and location. It's a title eliminator and will headline Friday Night Fights on ESPN2. Don't miss that one, and don't blink, because Lemieux can end fights at any minute.
Nathan Cleverly still doesn't know who he'll be fighting next.
Corley's Manager Cries Foul: Open letter to boxing world from Egis Klimas
What happened last night to my fighter, former world champion DeMarcus "Chop Cop" Corley (36-16-1, 22 KOs), in Argentina against Lucas Matthysee (28-1, 26 KOs) was a travesty. He recently fought Marcus Maidana in Argentina and lost without any complaints, but last night was an outright injustice and another black eye for boxing.
Everything was totally unacceptable from the very beginning. DeMarcus arrived there early Tuesday morning, attended a press conference the following day, and weighed-in Thursday. We were informed just a couple days before DeMarcus Corley left for Argentina that the fight was for the vacant WBO Intercontinental super lightweight title. We didn't have any problems with that at all, but I was very surprised that the WBO approved these two fighters, who both lost their last fights, to fight for the title.
At 6 AM Friday morning, the morning of the fight, Corley was suddenly awoken and taken to the hospital for medicals, including an EKG and brain scan, and he didn't get back to the hotel until 2 PM. Three hours later and without any rest, ‘Chop Chop" was taken to the arena. He was there three days and nobody said anything to him or our team about him needing medicals, not until the morning of the fight, and he obviously didn't look sharp in the fight because of all the running around he had to do. Why did they wait?
Granted, "Chop Chop" didn't look good. He took a knee after a body shot for a legitimate knockdown but he wasn't hurt. My biggest concern came in the seventh round, when he was hit with a blatant low blow, but the referee did nothing, not even a warning. Matthysee then delivered multiple low blows, illegal hits to the back of the head, pushed "Chop Chop" down a few times -counting them as knockdowns -- and even hit him on the top of the head when he was down. In any other country this would have led to a disqualification, no questions about that, but the referee didn't issue a warning, never mind deduct a single point.
We ended-up unfairly losing by eighth-round technical knockout. The referee was totally unprofessional and we have no clue what the WBO supervisor was watching. We are looking into filing a complaint with the Argentine Boxing Commission against the show promoters (Golden Boy Promotions and Aranobox) and petitioning the WBO to review the action; ultimately overturning the outcome and, at the very least, rule the fight a no-contest.
I am writing this letter to the boxing world not only to protect my fighter, but because I'm also disappointed by how poorly it affects the sport of boxing.
In addition to Corley, Klimas manages a number of Eastern European and Russian boxers, including rising star and former Russian National Team member, undefeated light heavyweight Sergey Kovalev (12-0, 10 KO's), top featherweight prospect Evgeny Gradovich (8-0, 6 KO's) and Donatas Bondorovas (11-1 3 KO's) who is fighting tonight in the opening bout on the Evander Holyfield-Sherman Williams pay-per-view card.
Egis Klimas
Manager, DeMarcus "Chop Chop" Corley
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Immediate question:
Who has Matthysee-Corley video? With nine knockdowns, this sounded more like a murdering that should have been stopped rather than a DQ that should have been proclaimed, but I’d like to judge it myself.
It Was Almost Unwatchable
I saw it. Corley’s manager has some points (Corley lost the fight, and would have anyway, imo); nonetheless it was abysmal, dangerous, cruel refereeing, way past simple home cooking: There were NINE standing 8 counts, I’ve never seen such a thing, at least two blatant low blows not called, and at least one very deliberate-looking rabbit punch. At least two of the knees he took were low blows. That does leave you with 7 that weren’t, hence I think he’d have lost anyway, but it was all-in-all just awful.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
The undercard featuring no-names Pablo Martin Barboza vs Claudio Tapia (loser-to-be) was fun—Tapia got pissed off re low blows delivered by a guy who was winning handily and didn’t need them, mad enough to start punching and pull off an upset. Knocked Barboza out in the4rth, very surprisingly.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
thanks for the review
I thought like El Destruyo and everyone else this was a battering, but then it seemed strange because I always felt they would stop ot the first chance they got, with the Harris stoppage fresh in the memory. Will have to try and see a rerun somewhere…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Thanks for the summary. That sounds horrific. I’m trying to remember the last time I saw a single standing eight count…. actually can’t remember a recent one. Nine in the same fight is craziness.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Apologies mor misuse of term, "standing 8"
these were mostly knees, point is there were NINE of them. I think there were two in most rounds, it got hypnotic listening to "3,4,5,6. . " till I lost track. Corley did want to fight, kept swinging, but there was no way. Plus the ref missed or ignored rabbits and lows all over the place. Corley is tough, didn’t actually seem too hurt—NINE is too many, never mind he protested the stoppage.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Fair enough.
It still sounds like craziness. Did Matthysse look as good as he did against Judah?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Nine standing 8’s? It sounds a little like that Williams-Airich fiasco in Spain.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Not standin 8s, my mistake, just regular 8s, knee after knee,
just forever of counting and letting the fight go on. It’s hard to say how Mattysse looked because the fight looked so bad.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
McDonnell-Jamoye was an outstanding fight.
Two really promising fighters who just kept coming at each other – made for excellent viewing. I had Jamoye edging it, but it was incredibly tight and really could have gone either way. Sky did their usual job of ignoring when Jamoye was hitting McDonnell, and let Jim Watt just tell you about McDonnell’s ‘greater quality’, before Glenn McCrory somehow came up with a very silly statement that McDonnell had wanted it more. A very, very bad night for Sky commentary.
In other good news for British fighters, Danny McIntosh stopped Thierry Karl in the 11th round of their fight. Pretty dull for most of the way, McIntosh spent most of the first 9 rounds trying to get under Karl’s skin, and seemed to really wind him up. Then, from the 10th onwards, Karl’s legs began to look a bit wobbly, and, as he began to sag, McIntosh stepped it up in a big way, stopping him in the 11th after some really meaty combinations. Although his performance was nothing too special at all, McIntosh showed a lot of heart to put up with a very lousy, one-sided ref, and just getting punched in the face for many of the middle rounds. Overall, a good night for British boxing, and an even better one for those of us who picked McDonnell, McIntosh and Matthysse on the pick ’em game.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 23, 2011 4:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
thanks for the recap on Karl-McIntosh
was not too pleased to miss it, but happy for McIntosh. Well done in the pick-em game ;)
And agreed, the Sky commentary was very poor indeed, I honestly wondered what they were watching.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yeah, I like McIntosh. He prances around in the ring like a bit of an idiot at times – he did the Ali shuffle in the second round, which was just hysterical – but he’s got a big heart and he was really humble towards Karl after the fight.
On the Sky commentary, it was actually pretty insulting really, as if they had an audience of 4 year olds who’d never watched a fight before. I’d prefer some actual analysis, rather than hear Adam Smith tell stories about McDonnell being from Doncaster and having a big heart, or hear Jim Watt tell me about ‘quality punching’. The only guys with any credibility on Sky are Nelson and McGuigan, and half the time McCrory and Watt just stand there talking over them. Painful.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm almost glad I missed it.
You describe Sky to the tee…. they are crap. McCrory especially. I know your personal ‘favourite’ is Watt, but at least he does say stuff sometimes that doesn’t make me want to pour hot wax in my ears. McCrory makes me wish they sold TV’s with no volume.
Surprised to see Karl get stopped (by McIntosh, anyway), but I didn’t think Karl was anything special anyway, and I did have my biggest ever boxing bet on Gabriel Campillo to beat him, before Campillo pulled out. It defies belief that Thierry Karl was considered favourite to beat Campillo, and this result bears that out.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Oh, Campillo would have ripped him to shreds. Its not that Karl was being beaten by McIntosh – he won 7 out of the 10 scored rounds on my card – but he looked so sluggish in doing so. He can barely throw a hook, and, while he hit McIntosh enough times, there was simply no dynamism to his performance. Campillo would have had an absolute field day.
Frank Warren’s probably licking his lips right now. He’ll put Bellew in with McIntosh, Bellew will just about win (not that I rate Bellew at all), Cleverly will beat Braehmer, and then Sky will hype Cleverly-Bellew like there’s no tomorrow, it’ll sell out the Millenium, and Cleverly will give him the beating he’s got coming to him. Not to look too far into the future or anything…
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 23, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
holy keeps plugging away. one day hes going to fulfill his dream of retiring undisputed champion. bank on it folks.
i for one cant wait for him and brain nielsen to throw down. i’ve been waiting for too damn long for the big dane brian nielsen to come back to the fight game. for him to come back fighting a monster like holyfield….? balls. big ones.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jan 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Holyfield looked terrible last night, against a ham-and-egg boxer. This wasn’t even someone like Iggy making him look old. This was a nobody making him look old.
Holy quit on his stool, too. He felt a couple of punches he didn’t like, then claimed a cut that he got less than a minute before was blinding him. He would be savagely beaten to a pulp by Tony Thompson, let alone a Klitschko brother.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Amen to that.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I think sonofapsycho was joking.
At least, I hope he was.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Yeah I know he is
I’m just confirming how bad the Holy Horror Picture Show has gotten.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
good save
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
by sonofapsycho on Jan 24, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Psyched about Bradley-Alexander and, for different reasons, Lemieux-Rubio. As for Bradley-Alexander, I see Bradley winning a fairly one-sided but nevertheless entertaining UD. He throws too many punches for Alexander, and Alexander is not going to stop him. Bradley is a better offensive fighter than Kotelnik, and I thought Kotelnik edged Alexander. Bradley has more heart, more stones, and more activity. His footwork is better too, and Alexander does not have the defensive skills that that many of us had been led to believe. But as we all know, Bradley is also hittable, and I see a desparate Alexander making a late push to catch up and landing some good shots—just not enough.
Sounds like I missed a couple travesties and a couple decent fights last weekend. But hey, every now and then you have to do something on the weekends besides watch guys punch each other. Keeps the household happy.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I see bradley – alexander as a lot closer than most people. Bradley does not have any kind of defense. Peterson was hitting Bradley in the body at will, but thats like trying to shape diamonds with feathers, so yeah that didn’t work out so well. However Alexander actually has power and could put Bradley on his butt and at the very least rock him. I see Bradley taking the first 3-4 rounds quite easily. However he gets caught when Alexander adjusts to his style, and then folks, its on! I actually see Alexander winning by late KO or a MD.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agree. Also, Bradley’s punches are relatively weak. I DA gets to Bradley, that’s it.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
let’s be real, bradley is no ricardo torres, but he ain’t no malignaggi either. he’s a volume and combination puncher, and if he hits you square he can : down you (edner cherry, junior witter), or stagger you (peterson, abregeu [wetlerweight] ). he wore down kendall holt and made he not wanna fight despite having an advantage. he made wins peterson look like an amateur and had one judge even score a shutout, and yet look what peterson did to ortiz? bradley is not a “weak” puncher, not a KO puncher, but enough to keep you honest and then some, I say bradley wins UD, then i serve some crow, and mind you, i also say he wins quite easily from the mid rounds on. pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
sorry that first post was so incoherent....
he wore down peterson and made him not wanna fight despite having an advantage. he made peterson look like an amateur and had one judge even score a shutout.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I truly disagree! Bradley has one of the best defenses in the business! You don’t remember sequences in the fight when Peterson corners him and hits nothing but air in 5-6 punch combinations? He has great head movement, great footwork, blocks lots of shots. as a matter of fact, if you look closely, most of peterson’s body shots were blocked with bradley’s elbows or arms, and he rolled with a lot of them too, so that made them ineffective. was it round 3 when they exchanged body work? look at that round again. bradley blocked everythng and landed everything he threw. bradley is an offensive minded fighter who has good defense, he takes risks, so yes he gets caught a la kendall holt, from time to time, but to say b/c he’s not a defensive minded boxer therefore he has bad defense is correct imo. pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Agree
that Bradley’s good on defense, but I’m not so sure he’s good enough—by relatively weak, I meant relative to Alexander, who can really hit hard. Also, Bradley doesn’t put enough back into his punches to my mind. But I don’t mean to say it’s any shutout for Alexander, just that it’s a closer fight than people think, and Alexander could win. 50/50 for me, not the shutout for Bradley a lot expect.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Barrett appeared very cooked on Holy’s undercard, too. Monte is one of those guys who has just enough of a name that he will keep getting fights. But he’s not really a gatekeeper, unless Cliff Couser is also a gatekeeper.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Every time I read about Holyfield these days it's negative...
Surely that’s no way to wind up a remarkable and sucvcessful carreer. What is it about the likes of Holy, Jones, Hopkins (to a lesser degree) Toney. They’re all great boxers with one common denominator in that they are all fighting on so long that they’re surely fucking up their legacies.
Hopkins isn't fucking up his legacy at all.
He’s enhancing his.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
+1
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
he just beat up a foe almost 20 years his junior, who also happens to be an elite fighter and the Ring Light heavyweight champion, not just a shmuck. now convince me how bhop is ruining his legacy?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
By going on too long, that's how. It's not rocket science.
ok, I never saw the Pascall fight, but he apparently looked crap against a completely shot Roy Jones, the Ornelas fight was shit, Pavlik now looks like he was never ‘that’ good in the first place and he moaned and whinged his way through the Calzaghe fight after decking him in the first, then back pedalling!!
He constantly tells us all how great he is only to bore the crap out of us. Again, I did say in my post “to a lesser degree” and I stand by that, especially if he does continue. I reckon he’ll head the same way as the others I mentioned. I mean, put it this way… can you imagine a conversation between Holyfield and Toney, you’d need a fucking interpreter.
That's a bit low, Mr G.
Keep those punches above the belt! :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
That's rich.. Rich!! ;-)
You know me mate, I’m no Hoppy fan, but doesn’t mean I want to see him all punchy… no point at all.
I'm just playing pal. But any anti-Hopkins stance should be punishable by castration at the very least :P
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
ok, I never saw the Pascall fight,
But if you had, there’s no way you could keep from significantly modifying your stance. It really changed the landscape for him.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
That's a fair point..
I’ll be guided by you guys. :-)
by Phill on Jan 25, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats why I said to a lesser degree..
He’s not as shot as the others,not yet anyway.. but I reckon if he continues he will, that’s all I’m saying.
all the fighters you just named are done except hopkins, so to a lesser degree would not count unless hopkins can no longer compete as an elite fighter and continues to do so.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
you guys need to give him a break, you’re blaming a 50 year old man for being a 50 year old man? he doesn’t have it any more, he used to have it, but now he doesn’t. that simple.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
It's more like people are 'blaming' (weird word choice, but we'll run with it) a 50 year old man for forgetting he's 50....
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
well then you should blame him for fighting, not for quitting or looking lackluster agst a “ham and egg” fighter.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
It is “blaming” him for fighting, because he’s so bad now that he quits and looks awful against bad fighters.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 24, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
To me there is a fine line..
At what stage should a fighter retire, Holyfield is a prime example of one if many before him who fought too long. Lennox quit while he was on top. Imagine if he’d carried on and on, becoming a shell of his former self. I reckon Morales may well be past that point now, but he still fights on. (I’m a big Morales fann btw). There must be loads more out there who have just had one fight too many, but still insist they have ‘it’… But they dont.
It’s all down to the individual fighter. For instance, watching Hopkins school Pascal and Pavlik shows that he is still viable and able to control his opponents at age 45. On the other hand, Macho Camacho at the same 48 has gone on way, way, way too long. But he’s not fighting real guys, just fighting club fighters for money. If that’s what he wants, more power to him. But, like Toney or Holy, I dare you to comprehend what the hell he is saying half the time.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
That's what I meant. :-)
I may have been misunderstood in my earlier post. It wasn’t a pop at Hopkins, I just think once they (any fighter) go that one or two fights too many, they undo all their hard work. I get no pleasure from seeing that. I admire them all for doing what they do. I sure as shit couldn’t do it.
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