Timothy Bradley Beats Devon Alexander by Technical Decision in Michigan
by Scott Christ on Jan 29, 2011 11:33 PM EST
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It might not have been the great fight some hoped for, but Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander showed what they had tonight at the Silverdome in Pontiac, Michigan, until a 10th round clash of heads stopped the bout prematurely and led to an early night for the judges. Bradley won on scores of 98-93, 97-93, and 96-95. Bad Left Hook scored it 98-93 for Bradley.
Final CompuBox numbers of a competitive fight were very close. Alexander landed 129 of 475 punches (27%), including 98 of 304 power punches (32%). Bradley landed 128 of 419 punches (31%), and 89 of 257 power shots (35%). But it was Bradley's sometimes over-the-top, sometimes straight right hand that did the fight's most damage, at least not counting the many accidental (ruled) headbutts, one of which opened a bad cut on Alexander's right eyelid, and the final that opened a stinging cut just outside of Alexander's left eye, which left him unable to open his eye during the time the doctor was taking a look at him. He also appeared dazed, and I don't think there's any arguing that it was a hard clash of heads, and some will say that it looked deliberate from Bradley.
Alexander is going to be accused of quitting on the fight, but I really don't think that's the case. If you can't get your eye to stay open, no doctor is going to let you go back into the fight. That's just the way it is. Whether you question Alexander's mental makeup overall is up to you, and I can see those concerns. But I have to say I think it's unfair to call him a quitter. He never looked like he was desperate or aching to get out of the fight, and generally when guys "quit," you see something more than just "Well I quit" at some point. Alexander didn't look defeated, really. At least not to me.
Bradley (27-0, 11 KO) will now likely look for a bout with Amir Khan (24-1, 17 KO) later in the year, maybe this fall. Khan fights in April against an opponent yet to be finalized, but it looks likely to either be Lamont Peterson after negotiations with Paul McCloskey fell apart. Alexander's future is far less clear at this point, but the hope will be that he fights someone like Marcos Maidana, or maybe even a rematch with Andriy Kotelnik, where I think there is some unfinished business.
I will also say I thought Alexander looked better tonight than he did against Kotelnik. Bradley fought his usual fight, which was enough. I don't think it's enough against Amir Khan, but maybe it is. Bradley is one of those guys I never feel overly impressed with, but at the same time would never count him out of a fight unless you're talking about Bradley against Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, some sort of mega-talent with the resume to go with it. He's a confident, determined, tough dude.
We'll probably have a little more tomorrow on this fight, which had an anti-climactic ending but I think told us some more about both guys, good and bad. Thanks for joining us tonight.
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Final assessment
Alexander is not Great
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Alexander-Ortiz
Would be an interesting fight at this point. I think Bradley and Khan fight next, and King won’t let Alexander within 1,000 yards of Marcos Maidana.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 29, 2011 11:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Alexander and Ortiz might be head cases
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And in the meantime
I’d like to see Kotelnik rematch Maidana, with the winner maybe fighting Bradley after he loses to Khan. Assuming Khan moves up to 147 after Bradley, that fight could be for a vacant title or two.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 29, 2011 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also
Bradley has a hard head.
Physically and mentally.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
pretty much sums it up
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Am I the only one who thought Cunningham was nuts
when he told DA after three rounds that he was winning
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
DA only won R1 in my eyes at that point
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
I think that Alexander is overrated…
I know everyone makes a big deal about the Urango fight, but what would anyone in the top 5 of the division do to him? Outclass him or KO him.
Witter… big deal. Bradley went to the UK and got his belt.
You are only as good as your recent fights and Alexander has not looked too good.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
the better the fighter the worse he looks
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Right,
and Bradley has lit the world on fire.
Neither looked good. Disappointing night all around.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
It looked to me like Bradley was saving some gas for the later rounds,
and I thought the fight was just warming up when it was stopped.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
You’re the first person I’ve heard say that, but I guess it’s possible. We’ll never know.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
He's got some tools
He need better managemnt/training. No knock on his ex cop ghetto saint, but he’s not a pro manager/trainer
The popular consensus seems to be that Khan blows away both of these guys, but I think a Bradley match is pretty close fight. Khan’s utter cluelessness on the inside makes me think Bradley would have a decent shot, even if he does not have the most power in the world. And Bradley would definitely get inside, probably without eating as many outside shots as Maidana did. He did a great job neutralizing Alexander’s jab tonight, and while Khan has greater handspeed, I’m not sure his jab is as good as everyone thinks.
Bradleys D was underrated
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
thank you!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
yea, he’s somewhat clever inside. He dodges shit that it doesn’t seem like he should be able to avoid.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
good point, and bradley’s punch power has never been an issue with any of his opponents, he wins anyway, in whatever way he can. kendall holt punched a much harder punch than him, and he still won despite being down twice.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
This matchup is probably worth a rematch, though. Though its defensible, 98-93 doesn’t exactly tell the story of this fight (and neither does 97-94 or 96-95). This was a mostly evenly fought fight.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
they shpouldnt have a hard time exceeding their attendance at the gate
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
you don’t think 96-95 is a close score?
Steve Addazio is gone! Thank you Temple!!!!
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
you guys are making mountains out of mole hills, and by mole hills i mean amir khan….
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I think he’s a special, special talent. And beatable in every fight against a good or powerful opponent. That makes me enjoy him even more. I’m a big fan.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. I don’t think he looked particularly good against Maidana, but then again, it may have just been the opponent. But he does have great skills, fast hands and a great trainer, so he can go far. I’m not really impressed by either Bradley nor Alexander, so that may be part of it as well.
Steve Addazio is gone! Thank you Temple!!!!
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
If Khan connected with that liver shot against Alexander
Devon’s eye would still be twitching.
I know. That makes no sense.
But either did that headbutt that mad him quit
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
yep anyway, i think amir khan is what you guys said,skillful, rashad holloway says his hands are faster than pacquiao’s… he has charisma… but he also runs too much, doens’t move his head, takes unnecessary risks, has trouble adjusting at least in the maidana fight (here’s another uppercut!), doesn’t real block shots when he covers up the way pacquiao can peek a boo and move his feet… he kinda just lays there and puts his head down, which blocks nothing… without moving either, just lays on the ropes… i think a good boxer that can punch, ie bradley, esp. bradley, could whoop khan. that’s just me. you guys put a lot on maidana and his power, but this is the sweet science, not a punching contest, otherwise randall bailey or ricardo torres would enter the conversation… or kendall holt! bradley outboxes khan 7-5 rounds imo. pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
By the time the 140 lb division sorts itself out
It wont be as replete with talent as it is now.
Not if everyone wants to move up.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
maybe 140-147 will be a good pool of talent then, or even up to 154.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
that is if floyd stays retired… i like how he liked to poop on bradley and alexander’s party by breaking his silence suddenly to talk about pacquiao…. the day of boxing’s biggest fight besides the non-fight betwen pac-floyd.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I read it.
It’s his usual delusional crap
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
watching a clip of the fight on youtube… alexander is doing an inordinate amount of holding… doens’t want any on the inside…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
wow alexander is like a boa constrictor. holdin’ like a b*tch, i know it was his game plan, but that game plan sucks to watch!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
wow! alexander is like seaweed on a boat propeller!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
For tonight, Alexander changed his last name to Barnacle.
by El Destruyo on Jan 30, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
and yes bradley isn’t a life taker as a puncher, but he keeps you honest and wears you down. if you want punch power watch randall bailey. i know it’s not the same, but pernell whitaker couldn’t punch, you guys gonna undermine his success b/c he didn’t knock out all or if any of his opponents? Pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
and yes bradley isn’t a life taker as a puncher, but he keeps you honest and wears you down.
Wears you down with headbutts, yes.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
sarcastic? yes, relevant, no. come on, if we talk about ATG headbutts, can’t talk about that without bhop coming into the conversation… he’s p4p in that category…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
How does what you've just said contravene anything KK said?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Disappointed in Alexander. Disappointed in Bradley. Disappointed in boxing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 12:42 AM EST reply actions
you know floyd pac could very well suck as bad, if not worse.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I do indeed
Though hopefully one of them wouldn’t blatantly cheat and the other one wouldn’t completely quit on the cause after said cheating
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't think the butts were blatantly intentional,
though I did think that Alexander showed (to be as generous as possible) that he is easily thrown off his game and lacks the determination to win.
Bradley didn’t "blatantly cheat.’ He has a big head. He was the shorter man. He likes to fight inside. And Alexander was clinching all the time.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Disagree twice
At the very least, the fight-ending head butt was intentional, and that was not a quit, it was a legit stoppage. DA is openly emotional on occasion, but I see no evidence of “head casism” regarding him. Is he as focused as Bradley? Maybe, maybe not, but less focus thatn the other guy doesn’t equate to “head case.”
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I thought he quit. His eye was “stinging” and then about 90 seconds after the ref called it he had it open fine. Maybe he didn’t outright quit, but he didn’t make an effort to stay in the fight, to keep it from being called off.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
though I did think that Alexander showed (to be as generous as possible) that he is easily thrown off his game and lacks the determination to win.
I agree with this as well. Like I said, I was disappointed with both guys.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
There's a difference between "cheating" and being a dirty fighter.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
What’s the distinction and which would you say was taking place in the fight?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Headbutts, elbows, low blows, hitting on the break, arm bars, rabbit punches (etc, etc) are not cheating. Some of the best boxers in the world have employed these tactics over the years. And they still do, including fighters like Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins and Andre Ward. It is up to the referee to enforce the rules, and up to the fighters to risk breaking them.
Cheating is doing things like loading your gloves, taking drugs, taking a dive, poisoning your opponent, etc.
In this fight, we saw a bit of dirty fighting, not “cheating.” And no, I don’t think that it’s a fine line or semantics. It’s a very big difference.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
look who got a company signature – company man over here.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
by lcollins1 on Jan 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m still waiting on my 401k plan, though.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
just remember I knew you back when – back when you had no ban-hammer and your profile pic looked like a stone cold mug shot.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
According to my wife, almost every picture of me looks like a mug shot. She helped me pick this one.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
My ID photos have always been like that. My latest one makes me look like a deranged mountain person, as when I had the photo taken, I was going through a phase where I decided to look like a deranged mountain person.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
you’ve said it yourself – you’re lineage is recently removed from the Hill Billies.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
You have to connect with your roots somehow.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Fair enough
Bhop does all of those "dirty"things (to use your parlance) and how has he gotten over with the general public? He’s been in the game longer than Pac or Money with a resume that arguably rivals theirs and how many PPVs is he headlining?
“Dirty” fighting is fine and people like those who come on this site can appreciate it. But it won’t make him a star and it won’t make him the kind of fighter who transcends the sport. I was hoping somebody from 140 could be that kind of guy. Now I’ve discovered neither Alexander nor Bradley likely will. That is disappointing to me.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
BHop’s also brutally boring from a casual fan’s perspective. Most people can’t appreciate BHop’s skills.
As we mentioned below, Ward can get dirty. But Ward may become a star anyway. I don’t think a dirty fighter is per se not a star.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I agree. The Evander of old, for example, fits the bill
of a boxer who was both a star and who sometimes fought dirty.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Jan 30, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evander is the person Bradley reminds me of the most
Little 140-pound Holyfield.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Tyson was a clean effective killer
Who would break your arm if the ref wasnt looking
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
No-one who watched the Pavlik or Pascal fights would refer to Hopkins as 'boring'.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
yea, cuz many casual fans had seen him fight before.
I’m a BHop fan. Many people find him boring. I don’t really think I’m going out on a limb here.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Actually if I were someone who didn’t know why it was exciting that the old man was tooling the youngsters with tactical prowess, it’d probably just look like another shitty boxing mismatch.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Dirty fighting doesn't prevent someone from being a star.
Especially when you can do it with finesse.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Give me an example of a few who have pulled that trick.
Holyfield is one. I wouldn’t say Bhop ever became a star, despite the fact he’s an obvious HOFer.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you could look at my signature, for one
Duran was both a great dirty fighter and an unmitigated superstar. So was Pernell Whittaker. so was JCC. Floyd Mayweather has a very educated elbow. Lennox Lewis was an ATG would who hold behind the head and hit constantly. Tyson regularly rabbit punched and would constantly push the foul boundary (beltline) with his crouching style. Casamayor used to dish great dirt. Andre Ward is poised on stardom, and he’s gotten more popular the more he breaks out the toolbox. There are lots of guys.
Felix Trinidad was a superstar fought dirty but wasn’t any good at it, because it was blatant fouling. But he was a star. The walking foulfest Andrew Golota was a very marketable fighter, but also blatant and inept at those tactics, which he used to quit rather than to shake guys up.
Fighting dirty doesn’t make you unpopular. At worst, it makes you a “heel,” which in many cases makes you more popular than the goody-two-shoes fighters.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Toss in:
Arturo Gatti and Miguel Cotto, two guys who were/are masters of the well timed and well placed blow.
Cotto….’Who me?"
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Them too.
Hell Ricky Hatton was very dirty with his holding-and-hitting and arm bars, and they practically crowned him King of England.
It’s part of the game. You figure out what you can get away with and you do it until the ref makes you stop.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Fritzie Zivic became a star?
I’ve never heard of the guy and I at least passively follow the sport.
Casamayor I agree was dirty but again was not a star.
The rest of them… I guess there are degrees of dirty and degrees of star. Suffice to say I’m not pulling a facepalm.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Zivic was popular in his time, yes.
So far the only evidence you’ve given to support your viewpoint is:
“Bernard Hopkins fights dirty and is not a star, and therefore he’s not a star because he fights dirty.”
- You’re wrong.
#2). Timothy Bradley (or Devon Alexander, or Amir Khan) would be tremendously lucky to get the money and recognition that Bernard Hopkins has received over the course of his Hall of Fame Bound career.
#3). The reason you are struggling to give me examples of fighters who’s careers tanked because of dirty tactics is because you are wrong (see #1). The connection doesn’t exist. You have to perform a real dastardly deed to turn your career upside. The closest I’ve seen lately was probably when Abraham hit Dirrell late, but looking like a deflated balloon against Froch hurt him more.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I'm not saying he's going to be universally reviled
I’m saying that, after last night, relatively few are hot to see him again. And if he continues to win in the same manner that will continue to be the case.
To my point, I see few comments on here exclaiming, “Wow! What a fight! What a performance! Can’t wait to see him blow through Khan the on to Pac and Mayweather!”
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
If and when he leaves Shaw and signs with Top Rank, he will be fighting a lot of good fights for a lot of money.
From evetything I’ve read across the board, Bradley is getting his props. And now it looks like even greater opportunities await.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Your point seems to shift around more than the sands of the Sahara.
Anyway, you asked me to give you a few, and I gave you a few. Maybe you should just say “thanks for enlightening me” and stop beating the horse now.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I disagree
But value the chance to have a conversation about the events of last night. Thanks for participating.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta disagree
Fritzie was one of the dirtiest ever.
he was a damn good fighter as well
And he was, if not a star, certainly a top-tenner most of his career, a main eventer wh0 fought most of the best in his day.
BTW,
Fritzie didn’t beat him, but messed up Billy Conn pretty good and took the welterweight title from Henry Armstrong in one of the dirtiest championship fights (both guys) of all time.
The one in which the ref just stood them both up and said:
“Look, if you both want to fight that way, then I’m not gonna stop you…. but if either of you wants out now then just say so”
…. silence………
“Well, off you go then….”
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Miguel Cotto, Barrera is one of the dirtiest Sob’s out there
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Muhammad Ali held and hit ceaselessly
He was subsequently named Sportsmant of the Century by Sports Illustrated in 1999 and is revered by mainstream millions (+1) all over the world.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I mean, it’s not like Devon didn’t dish a little dirt himself. He held a lot in that fight, and tried to trip Bradley. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s all part of boxing.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Tell me this – has the definition of penalty worthy holding changed in the last 25 years? I feel like there is way more holding that is just ho hum part of the game, these days. Drives me nuts.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
by lcollins1 on Jan 30, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
It depends so much on the ref that it does seem almost arbitrary how much its enforced as a whole
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
No more than in the past IMO
See Ali Frazier II.
You do what you do to win. If the referee doesnt approve, adapt and move on.
Holding is as old as boxing
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think it’s an optical illusion. The only difference I’ve noticed is that referees tend to break up clinches more quickly than they used to.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
They Used to Do the Waltzing Mathilda
all over the ring for hours when I was a kid. The refs didn’t even always bother with it, and never soon enough. It seems to me the refs break it up much faster now. Holding is part of boxing. “Excessive” is defined from ref to ref, so there’s no real definition of it.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
and that’s not particular to any fighter – I saw Khan do it to Maidana. Shit i see it on nearly every card. When I watch old fights, I don’t see it.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Ward too
Uses a lot of this “dirty” stuff, as jrok would define it.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea he does. He out-dirtied Bika, which is no small task – not that Bika didn’t start it or have it coming – cuz he did.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Right
That was like dirty on dirty. Which is kind of what you would have liked to see from Alexander. He’s gonna get dirty? Get dirty back. Don’t quit and whine to the ref.
Like when Peterson hit Rios with those low shots. Rios didn’t even look at the ref. Hit Peterson back with low shots of his own and kept coming.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ward was very effective with his head and elbows against Kessler, too.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Ward is plenty dirty. Very professional...but dirty.
And his opponents should know it.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Another ref, another day,
and that fight would have been Kessler winning by DQ. I firmly believe that.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
True
Just like I said, it won’t win him any fans. At least none who aren’t already aficionados, and there are precious few of those left anymore.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's true that that last fight won't win Bradley any fans.
But I think other factors besides “dirtiness” have much more to do with his lack of mainstream star potential. He isn’t heavy handed enough for mainstream fans; his all around solid skill set doesn’t have enough flash; he’s not a good trash talker or promoter of his own fights, etc.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
The most indicting moment for me
Was when he hit Alexander flush with his right and DA didn’t blink.
Bradley does not have power. Stars usually do.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Though hopefully one of them wouldn’t blatantly cheat
whoa. that sounds like somebody picked the wrong guy to win.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Did indeed
And if people were on here saying how great Alexander looked last night I would be disagreeing with them as well.
Alexander looked like shit. He either had a stupid gameplan or executed a good one horribly. He laid on the ropes. He got stuck in corners. Bradley should have never gotten close enough to headbutt him.
I was dead wrong in my assessment of Alexander, if not his abilities than his capacity to employ them in the execution of a good gameplan. But that doesn’t mean that Bradley became a star last night. Like I said, I was disappointed in everybody last night.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
ok. I don’t know that Bradley will ever become a star. I don’t know that he has “star” in him. He has an endearing “lunch pail” quality to him. If he can beat Khan, which will be a tall task for him, that’ll be something special.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Agree
Beating Khan would mean he was indeed “the man” at 140. Can he accomplish that? I have my doubts. But I had doubts about him being able to beat Alexander as well, as you say.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
you guys are hating on him. i already think bradley is a minor star, and he’s fought some pretty god dang opponents, he doesn’t always make it look pretty , but suddenly you guys are like ‘i knew alexander sucked all along" etc… or maybe bradley is that good. alexander did comparatively well agst opponents not kotelnik, or bradley, and he’ll probably go on to do other good things in the sport. lots of bandwagon fans up in here.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
god dang "good’ opponents.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
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"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
you guys are hating on him
Grow up. No-one here is ‘hating’. Seriously.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
well
he’s not exactly getting a lot of love after beating the previous (arguably) No.3 guy in the decision fairly cosily. He might not have been that pretty, but he’s really good at fighting and even if the cut hadn’t happened it was going to be a clear UD.
All most people are saying is ‘how he’s not going to be a major star’ etc etc etc, which is a shame when he just pulled the best win of his career.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Right.
But ‘hating’, as you very well know, means something completely different.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
tru dat
real talk.
(to steal two phrases on here that make me laugh lol)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
that's what I think.
worse, because we’ll have to pay money for Money.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
i have one question for ya’ll… Where’s Waldo? what happened to bradley getting hit at will? and being reckless with no defense?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
He put his head down and rammed it into Alexander's brow every time they came together?
That guy may have won tonight, but he didn’t make any new Bradley fans. And if he thinks Pac or May are going to get in with him fighting like that he’s kidding himself. Holyfield got away with that shit because he was the cash cow and people had to come to him. Who’s Bradley? Nobody is going to give him a chance to make a name for himself acting like that.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a strong Bradley fan (he has the determination, the conditioning, but not the talent), but,…acting like what? Much as I was told to watch the replay of the end to see DEFINITIVE proof that Bradley ended the fight there…I apparently fail to see the intent. The butt earlier in the fight that caused Alexander the most damage….was caused by Alexander getting low.
I’ve supported your previous causes, KK, but I think you’re putting a little too much of the end of Bradley-Galaxxy Warrior into this. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think you have the evidence to be right.
Possibly. But I was low on Bradley going into this, and I’m even lower on him coming out. Dude has T-rex arms with pillows on the ends of them and, as the HBO team pointed out, five of his last six opponents before Alexander got cuts from headbutts.
He didn’t make a fan out of me. Doubt he made a fan out of any casual onlookers who happened to tune in. So, at best, he’s going to keep fighting fights at this level. Not gonna be a PPV star. If he doesn’t care, good for him. But the fact remains.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
bradley, ko’s or not, is an exhibition of the “sweet science”: “hit and not get hit.” if you guys only like Ko’s maybe you should watch more juanma fights and less bradley fights. i think bradley gets the job done, not the way a lot of you want, and some of you are dead set on not liking bradley, and that’s okay.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Khan is an exhibition of the sweet science
Bradley is a pressure fighter with no pop.
If he was slick like a Malignanggi, you’d say, “Well, he’s a boxer, not a brawler. Who cares if he has power?” But the style he fights has limits if he can’t ever touch anybody so they know he was there.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! another disagreement! bradley is NOT a pressure fighter. Alfredo Angulo, Brandon Rios, James Kirkland are pressure fighters. Bradley is a boxer who likes to be aggressive. He outboxes guys in an aggressive manner, but he’s not a pressure fighter by definition, tho he does pressure some with volume.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I mean, now we’re just quibbling semantics. The definition of a pressure fighter. When Bradley is the number 1 pound for pound fighter in the sport and a huge pay per view draw I will owe you all an apology. I say it right here.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!!
Not me….. I’m with you all the way.
Bradley is a pressure fighter, with little to no world class pop, as you say.
I think that’s as clear as day.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I think Bradley has more defense than a true pressure fighter.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
agreed.
a boxer who pressures and a genuine pressure fighter are completely different. a boxer who pressure still uses skill to win. a bona fide pressure fighter uses will, time, and toughness to win. pressure fighters include: joe frazier, jake lamotta, luis collazo, juan diaz, margarito, brandon rios, rogers mtagwa, urbano antillion, jose luis castillo, ricky hatton… do you really believe timothy bradley is cut by the same cloth as these gentlemen?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
also, floyd mayweather put a LOT of pressure on shane mosley in their fight, maybe more effective pressure (cutting off the ring and such) then most pressure fighters, does this make him a pressure fighter?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Bradley uses deceivingly fast and effective footwork to cut off the ring and his smaller size to his advantage. His ability to get and stay inside taller fighters….namely most of his opponents…is arguably one of his most impressive qualities.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
agreed.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
i’m watching rounds 1 and 2 now. bradley is finding hte range very well and landing a lot of short shots. he ducked a lot of punches, and got hit with a few hard right hooks, but bradley is def. controlling the pace and rhythm of the fight.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Can't go there with you at all.
Bradley’s head is always in play…but he had every reason to take this kid to an inglorious finish adn absolutely no reason to have it end early.
They both butted each other. One guy has greater will.
BTW, Bradley has fought now 5 of his last twelve fights against southpaws.
Headbutts are unfortunate…but they are also part of the righty lefty equation.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
BTW, Bradley has fought now 5 of his last twelve fights against southpaws.
Also cut six of his last seven with butts, not all of which were Southpaws. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a guy whose best punch is the crown of his head.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
A Winner .... with a tough head, KK
I saw nothing intentional tonight whatsoever.
Manny Steward explained how his size and style lend to headbutts.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Manny Steward explained how his size and style lend to headbutts.
His “style” is cheating.
There is no other explanation for six out of seven. To suggest otherwise is insulting my intelligence.
Whatever, he won, that’s fine. Something the old school guys can maybe appreciate. Like Bhop. As long as you win, who cares. But he didn’t make a fan out of me tonight. And I doubt he made himself one new fan. So if that was in anyway what he was hoping to go out and do tonight then he failed. And there will be no drumbeat for him to fight Khan, let alone Pac or Money. He is, at best, equally marketable as he was coming in, but honestly probably less so.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Don't make inflamatory statements unsupported by evidence.
and you won’t have your intelligence insulted
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I guess I'll just wait for the Bradley headlined PPV for me to prove me wrong, then.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
His "style" is cheating.
That is straight up BS unsupported by any evidence tonight.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Except for the multiple headbutts tonight
Which were preceded by multiple headbutts in previous multiple fights.
How many headbutts in how many fights does this guy have to cut people with before somebody at least warns him, let alone takes a point away or DQs him?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
Do you actually know about boxing?
Instead of using his jab and longer reach to hold Bradley’s lunges at bay, Alexander instead chose to clinch.
Memo to Alexander:
Clinching and tying up often involves clashes of heads even against fighters much less aggressive than Bradley, so what did you expect?
And where was Alexander’s jab to repulse Bradley’s bull rushes? Where was Alexander’s uppercut to try and cut down Bradley’s advances?
Nowhere to be found
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Alexander fought a ridiculously stupid fight. I agree.
But how many opponents does Bradley have to cut with headbutts before we realize he’s using his dome as a weapon? At the moment, we’re sitting at six out of the past seven. So what’s the magic number? 34 out of 35? 47 out of 48?
All I’m saying is, though he won, I doubt it was the star-making performance he was looking for. I had hope to come out of the fight thinking I had seen the guy who would really be something special, and maybe the setup for a long-term rivalry that, when you put Khan in the mix, could be akin to Leonard/Hearns/Hagler. I didn’t get any of that. Disappointing.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair you can turn those figures around.
6 out his last 7 opponents failed to realise if they got in close and put their head in that area they are going to come off second best.
I highly doubt Khan etc are going to let him headbutt at free will.
I agree
I thought Alexander would be smart enough not to let him get that close. I was wrong. I also think Khan will be smart enough not to let him get that close. Time will tell if I’m wrong about that too.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is TB is good enough to penetrate the all
So far
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
All I’m saying is, though he won, I doubt it was the star-making performance he was looking for.
Is that what you’re saying? It sounds like you’re saying Bradley only won ’cuz he intentionally head butts everybody in the room.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I am also saying that
The reason his win wasn’t a star making performance was because he employed head butts to achieve it.
You have accurately represented my point.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Inflammatory?
How so?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Rafael, 3:32 am Jan. 30, 2011
“I’m ruthless,” said Bradley, refusing to apologize for leading with his head. “I’m reckless.”
Seems kind of like an open admission of guilt, to me.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
by BoxAnne on Jan 30, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=6072913
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
you need to rewatch the fight
Look at Alexander’s role in those headbutts
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
He fought a stupid fight.
Getting caught on the ropes, getting caught in the corner. And if it was just him I’d just say they clashed badly. But since it has happened to six out of the last seven Bradley opponents, I think you begin to see a trend emerging.
Alexander is the fucking southpaw. If anything you’d expect to see him with the track record of headbutts, and chalk it up to his being lefthanded. What’s Bradley’s excuse?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not that southpaws headbutt more. It’s that more headbutts happen in southpaw-orthodox fights, because you are shadowboxing. For instance, when two southpaws fight each other, you don’t have the same problem.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Jan 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes but there are more orthodox than southpaw fighters.
Hence Alexander is more likely to run into his converse than Bradley is to run into his.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Alexander has a huge noggin himself
And he lead himself into some of those butt situations himself
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He fought a stupid fight
He fought a passionless fight.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Passionless and stupid
I’ll stipulate
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think he is that good.
He is from the St Louis ilk of Cory Spinks.
But that is justy my opinion.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
easy to jump on the bandwagon, bradley makes lots of pple look bad. let’s not throw him under the bus. it’s his first loss.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Second in my eyes
He actually looked better last night than against Kotelnik
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He's Pretty Good,
might need a new trainer, he’s way young, plenty of time to adjust, just lost 1 fight. Reasonably speaking, probably only lost the fight by 1 or 2 pts, had the scorecards not been weird. It had remained a very close fight, very hard to score—other than headbutts, not a whole lot of hitting going on.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He’s little teeny, he’s gotta rush in. Only way he can compete is to come forward. I don’t believe he intentionally butts. Shit he didn’t need to.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Timmy uses his head sometimes. It’s not blatant. He’s gotten pretty good at blending it into his offense. That’s good dirty fighting.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
That’s good dirty fighting.
Fair enough. Again, my point is that good dirty fighting will not make him a star. If he’s fine with that then it’s nothing to me. I love boxing and I am far from excited to see his next fight, unless it’s against Khan, who I hope will employ the strategy I would have liked to see Alexander use last night.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think his physical skill-set is a far more greater limitation on his “star” potential than the head butts. Dude can’t hit – that’s a massive problem to becoming a star.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
His physical limitations are myriad.
Like I said above, he has t-rex arms with pilows on the end of them. There is no reason I can see why Khan shouldn’t make Bradley look worse than even Malignaggi did. At least Malignaggi is somewhat slick with no power. Bradley is just come-forward pressure with no power.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
he has t-rex arms
I feel like we’re sort of picking on you here, but I don’t think Bradley has short arms—he’s just short. His reach has been either even or only an inch or two less than that of his recent opponents, which is proportionally consistent with his short stature.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
yeah, but the visual
of a guy who literally has T-Rex arms with pillows attached to them cracks me up every time I read it, so let’s just go with it, ok :)
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough ;)
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
His reach has been either even or only an inch or two less than that of his recent opponents, which is proportionally consistent with his short stature.
Sure, just like he’s an “inch shorter” than Devon, then you see them standing together at the weigh in and Alexander towers over him.
Maybe he just doesn’t use what reach he has effectively, but when he puts on the gloves, to me, they look like they damn near reach his armpits.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
yo dude , here’s another reason why i disagree with a lot of what you said… you compared malignaggi to bradley, and second, you called malignaggi “slick”. First, bradley is an A level fighter, he is proven time and time again that he’s an elite fighter and has beaten any top level fighter he’s faced. Malignaggi has stunk it up on the big stage every time he’s stepped up: Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton (getting outboxed by ricky hatton is just painful, ask juan urango), and Amir Khan. Yes, neither bradley nor khan have life taking punches, but there’s a difference: Bradley keeps opponents honest and wears them down, Malignaggi doesn’t have the power to get opponent’s respect, and he has brittle hands. It’s obvious Bradley has more power. Next, Malignaggi is not as “slick” as pple make him out to be. He looks great agst C fighters, i mean he looked FABULOUS agst Lovemore Ndou, and very decent agst Miguel Cotto, but he’s very hittable, and his feet are not as fast as you may think. In addition, he doesn’t move his head nor does he block shots very well, which are top qualities of slick fighters, so yeah, malignaggi is NOT slick, bradley IS slick, malignaggi is Not an elite fighter, Bradley is an elite fighter. And khan is riddled with flaws that bradley can and probably will exploit.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
malignaggi is NOT slick, bradley IS slick
If you think Bradley is slicker than Paulie then we just fundamentally disagree on the sport itself and there’s not much point trying to sway each other’s opinion.
If Bradley goes out and beats Khan I will definitely owe you a Coke.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
slick fighters by definition have great head movement, paulie’s head is a statue. and here’s last week’s prediction, mine, first, yours second:
A. (3) – 2 – Bradley
B (3) – 2 – Bradley by decision
C. (3) – 2 – no alexander won’t,
D. Pass
E. Pass
A. (3) – 2 – Alexander to win
B. (2) – 4 – Alexander by decision
C. (3) – 1 – Yes, Alexander will win at least 5 rounds on the HBO card
D. Pass
E. Pass
I at least deserve a Pepsi don’t I?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I was wrong on my pick, own that for sure. But again, was not blown away by Bradley’s performance.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
well, i’m sure most great fighters, muhammad ali being one of them did not look like the prom queen in every fight, or probably most fights, ugly fights happen all the time….
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
tru dat
When did you get so smart?
Still training?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
If you think Bradley is slicker than Paulie then we just fundamentally disagree on the sport itself and there’s not much point trying to sway each other’s opinion.
Rec’d. Irrefutable logic.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I dont recall bradley ever taking a solid punch
Pitty pat punches in bunches. A whole lotta noise. But no solid landings.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
No, he got hit with a decent right hook and a couple of solid left crosses. There were a few good shots. But Devon was mostly too skittish to stand his ground and sit down. And he also didn’t seem to know where he was most of the time. He panicked every time his back touched a rope.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Call me crazy
but I had Alexander winning by 1 round and 1 minute of the 10th and final round. Alexander has such quick hands that often his power is overlooked. However, the power is there, ask Juan Urango. Have you given any consideration to the notion that maybe, just maybe, Alexander was touching Bradley a little too hard for his liking and that’s when the “accidental” butt came? Maybe the first 2 or 3 head butts were accidental but I have never seen a puncher turn his head (while both heads are parallel) so fast without throwing an even faster punch. Have you?
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by glatin1982 on Jan 30, 2011 1:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't see Alexander giving any
Effort to open his eyes for the doctor. Maybe he was upset and wanted to make a point, so a point could be deducted???
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 30, 2011 1:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And maybe he is just a bad finisher
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
From SI.com
Alexander will face some unpleasant questions in coming months. The final head butt made contact on the left side of Alexander’s face, but cameras showed the 23-year-old complaining to ringside doctor Peter Samet about the preexisting cut above his right eye. The incongruity made it seem like Alexander was looking for a way out, a theory compounded by his decision to waive his five-minute rest period for accidental fouls. “I asked [Alexander] to open his eye three times, but he couldn’t do it,” Samet explained. “I feared temporary nerve damage or temporary paralysis was preventing him from opening his eye, so I recommended to the referee that the contest be stopped.” Fighters make extraordinary sacrifices to entertain us, and Alexander probably deserves the benefit of the doubt — particularly in light of Samet’s assessment — but many viewers weren’t happy with how it played out. As of 11:30 p.m. ET, “Devon Alexander” was trending on Twitter both worldwide and in the United States — and they weren’t saying nice things.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
The preexisting cut was also from a headbutt.
And there were headbutts in between as well.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Who wrote that gem, Chris Mannix? Alexander was saying his left eye was stinging, closing it hard over and over, tried to open his eyes a few times and immediately shut them again. You know what else trends on Twitter? WeLoveTokioHotel and #howyouathug
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
Bryan Armen Graham
Scott, Ive read every thread on every site tonight.
Alexander is catching some serious shit.
Noboby wants top say quit..but many have.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think every thread on every site is filled with people who are wrong then. No skin off my eye.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he could habve asked for 5 more minutes
Instead he stood and gave an interview
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Cotto fought clottey with worse
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Cotto is mental
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2011 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I think Alexander's behavior was suspect, myself.
But I don’t really want to get into it. We clearly had different perspectives on what to me seemed a bizarre reaction.
In this one case, I guess I agree with the twitterers.
On the other hand, it’s not like it’s any rare thing.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I think Alexander’s behavior was suspect
Maybe that’s how I’ll look at it. I didn’t think it was a blatant obvious quit job. But I thought it was dicey, questionable, and yea suspect.
See Cutler, Jay.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Most Threads Are Hate Havens
They live for it. The minute I see things trending on them, I suspect the trend.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
and if I'm counter to the trend,
I figure I must be doing something right.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
by BoxAnne on Jan 30, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that sentiment
at least with respect to boxing threads!
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
BTW, if I changed my pre-fight grades for both right now, they’d both be down to C+ power.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I still think Alexander's power is fine
He didn’t give himself enough distance to work.
And the power in the crown of Bradley’s head is rather impressive.
What I didn’t realize was how short Bradley was, and how short his arms were. If Khan fights Bradley smarter than Alexander did Bradley may never reach him the entire night.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
dude, you used every opportunity you could to talk about bradley’s headbutt, anything constructive you can add to the conversation?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Sorry, didn’t realize you were setting the parameters for discussion.
So that I don’t transgress again, what else is verboten?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Merchant made a stunningly good accidental piece of analysis last night when he said Alexander’s hands are so fast that it “looks like” he’s pulling back before the punch even lands clean. The problem is that I think Alexander actually IS pulling back before he lands his punches clean and hard.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
he made a good point about how trainers meet their mitts halfway, thus taking pop and extension off a fighters’ punch. also, to add, alexander only fights the way they do mitts, circling and throwing short combinations. he needs to learn how to move forward, and to use his feet in other ways, that’s just me, lest an opponent knows exactly where hes’ gonna be all the time b/c he always circles the same pattern at the same rhythm, plus he was circling into bradleys’ right hand.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
BoxAnne added this in the fight thread, which everyone either ignored or didn’t see, but is what I’m talking about, just worded better:
The area was flayed, i.e., skinned in the true sense, not like a skinned knee=scraped. Flaying is a form of torture. This would be more like mini-flayed, but it would put an unnatural hurt on DA. A deeper, gorier, bloodier cut would hurt much less. That kind of peelback flaying tear would make opening that eye real hard to do.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Look at Joe Frazier's eyes...or Diego Corrales'
I guarantee you the pain was beyond comprehension.
So were their hearts.
IMO, Alexander is weak.
See: Zab Judah
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
look, I get it
I don’t even necessarily disagree with your assessment of Alexander’s mental make-up. My problem tonight is mostly with people thinking they’ve made some Sherlock Holmes discovery, from Jim Lampley on down through the lowest tier of boxing “fans.”
BUT THE BUTT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS FACE!! HOW ABOUT THAT, DEAR WATSON?! A FRAUD!!!
There was a clear mark, a painful mark, the headbutt is debatable as accidental, Bradley can be fairly labeled a dirty fighter (I don’t really have problems with dirty fighters, I like plenty of them), and I don’t think Alexander had his heart beaten from him, either by fist or head, nor do I think he felt there was no going on. I do think he felt like he couldn’t keep his eye open right then, however.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. He couldn't keep it open. And then, voila... he could.
He is going to be explaining for a long time why he didn’t implore the referee to give him extra time to recover. Or protest the stoppage.
It was after all the same referee that inexplicably gave him extra time for in the early round when he first got hurt in his eye.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Jan 30, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well if “voila” is about seven minutes later when I next saw him, then sure. I do agree that they should have asked for a five-minute recovery period. Generally it’s not something you ASK for, but what the hell could it hurt to ask?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 3:57 AM EST up reply actions
ASs I said, it was the same ref who inexplicably gave him time earlier when he was hurt
No one complained. Not Alexander. Not Cunnigham. Not even King.
Their man got beat
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
They complained about the headbutts, but not the loss, as it were. But I guess in the boxing world that’s not really a complaint.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not being Frazier or Corrales doesn’t mean he quit, even if with that particular injury they would have fought on, and I’m not certain they would, or would be permitted to—because when that flayed/tear kind of thing happens, teeny ones have happened to me, the pain is at 3rd degree burn level, fluids rushing to the scene and attendant swelling occlude some nerve responses, especially in areas with very busy nerve networks like the eye area, anything face or hand. My personal experience is that the healing fluid, serum, reaches critical mass at about 2, 2 1/2 minutes and relents fairly suddenly, which is consistent with his behavior.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Likely take longer
with that large an area. Five minutes might have been enough, but the doctor had called it by then.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
And I always think of this:
But guess what?? I can assure you that it is not lost on boxers that if they were to go ahead and actually quit when faced with some form of extreme physical or mental distress for their own safety and future that they will still be verbally tortured in newspaper and magazine articles and on boxing message boards across the internet, labeled everything from a coward and gutless to a tomato can and a bum by people who hide behind made up names that don’t allow for any type of real retribution to come to them.
“Whatever happens, whatever you do, do NOT stop this fight!!
November 4th, 2010
Iceman John Scully
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I don't want to suggest that I can feel any fighters pain
I just know that history is replete with warriors that have fought with a lot of it.
From Marciao to Frazier to Corrales …even to our mutually loathed Abraham…we have watched many great ones fight through broken hands, split noses, busted orbitals… you name it….and not only carry on and often win but continue long careers.
I realize that Alexander was in pain. I even suspect the stinging was from something possibly mixed (unintentionally) in the Vaseline on TBs head. But this was a championship fight. An opportunity of a lifetime. If he wanted to keep going, he could have at least tried to say so.
I refer to an infuriated Corrales after the fifth knockdown against Floyd Mayweather….with blood coming out of a hole in his cheek…yelling at his corner to NOT stop the fight.
I like that.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Pain Is Not What Stopped Alexander
The fact that it was shutting his eye is what stopped him. Pain when you can still see is one thing, but there’s a lot of hindsight going on imo—In the moment when a decision had to be made, the kid really couldn’t open his eye. How fast it felt better, and the fact that it was as turns out neither life nor sight threatening couldn’t be known then. That’s why the Dr. stopped it. He didn’t quit, he was stopped, and he was stopped for the perfectly legitimate reason that he couldn’t, at the critical time, get his eye to open. There was no telling why, in that moment. But that’s when the Dr. had to decide. The fact that it wasn’t so bad after all is irrelevant. They couldn’t know that then. All in all, the fight was boring, and neither did well. But that doesn’t meand anyone quit.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Can't agree with you on this one BA
He doth not protest enough.
For my taste, anyhow.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
it reminde me of Judah's eyelid against Clottey
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
also for what it's worth
I get the feeling Andriy Kotelnik would give Tim Bradley hell, too.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 30, 2011 4:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, disappointed in both guys. Don’t think either is what we had hoped they would be, and in my mind the chances that they’ll ever one day get there have been severely diminished.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
To me, that was the biggest takeaway
Bradley is a B+ fighter who’s going to be a player at 140 for a long time, and Alexander’s a talented young guy who can easily rebound from this loss, but neither look like the NEXT BIG THING. Moreover, nothing about this fight really suggested that there’s a great rivalry to be had between them. Perhaps that comes between some combination of Bradley, Khan, and Maidana.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 30, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
i completely disagree. kotelnik is a tough abc fighter and a vet. bradley has quicker feet, quicker hands, and better boxing skills and is more athletic. it’ll be a clinic, and one i don’t wish to watch. kotelnik already lost to khan and alexander, what could bradley add to the equation that hasn’t already been observed?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
The Alexander-Kotelnik fight was a pretty controversial fight. Not an outright robbery, maybe, but arguably a bad decision in favor of Devon.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I can see that, too. I think Kotelnik is the sort of smart, tough fighter that could trouble Bradley, who just bugs me technically for some reason I can’t quite pinpoint. Bradley definitely has him on speed of hand and foot and athleticism. As for the Alexander fight, I thought that was a flat injustice against Kotelnik and could watch the fight 100 times and feel the same way. He took Alexander to school. But that might also have been the absolute best Kotelnik can fight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
agreed...
but the star always wins… i still feel to this day that clottey beat cotto (compubox numbers have him connecting on far more punches, and if they hadnt’ fought at nyc on pr parade eve), and that collazo beat berto squarely, that winky wright whooped jermaine taylor… all became bigger stars from the “test” from more ordinary and less charismatic opponents.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Riot
Conversely, if it’d been held in Palm Springs they probably would have been chanting “bitch” at Alexander.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Five fights in a row with an opponent getting cut by headbutts isn’t a trend, it’s a strategy.
"In war, as in prostitution, the amateur is often better than the professional". Napoleon.
by FrankinDallas on Jan 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
agree
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
This fight was a stinker
Watching a boring fight where guys fight tentatively, punch without conviction, and show questionable guts makes me appreciate Marcos Maidana.
Actually, everything makes me appreciate Marcos Maidana. I wish we could clone a version of him for every weight class.
In my never ending quest to bring BLH the latest things Marcos Maidana
here’s an interview from the other day:
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/qa-marcos-maidana-2-73828
He’s calling out Mayweather. Good luck with that, Chino.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 30, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite a stinker....but certainly not great
It does give us a lot of information about two of the four or five guys in that weight class.
It taught me that Alexander is not a great pro. Not tet at least. He pitter pats like an amateur, pulling his punches, not punching through them.
It confirmed Bradleys assets and his lack of power. I see no way for him to be of any consequence at a weight higher than junior welter. That is not an indictment. The man is a winner.
The question is….for much longer
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I consider it a stinker because of the potential it had
It may not be a stinker in the sense that it was a completely worthless fight, but imagine a bizarro Alexander-Bradley fight thats promoted competently and is fought in an entertaining fashion.
I watched with a living room full of casual fans. I was about the only who didn’t want to change the channel after a few minutes.
Well, here we are
I want to see Bradley fight Khan. Khan’s got all the tools, we know, but I think it’ll be an interesting fight. Bradley will go after Khan all night, or as long as he’s standing. On paper, Khan should blast him out, but I’m not so sure. I still think questions surround Khan – perhaps not with his heart but with his tactics and strategy. Even Roach couldn’t teach him to avoid getting into a fire-fight with Maidana at the end of that one. I think Bradley will figure out a way to bother Khan, to pester him and slap him around inside, and maybe scare him a bit.
Bradley’s all in – he’s 100%, nothing held back – we get to see his soul when he fights, I love that about him. He’s not great, but he’s good and whoever beats him is going to have to really kick his ass. He’s not going to quit. I wonder if that scares Khan some.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
by lcollins1 on Jan 30, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
“Bradley’s all in – he’s 100%, nothing held back – we get to see his soul when he fights, I love that about him. He’s not great, but he’s good and whoever beats him is going to have to really kick his ass. He’s not going to quit. I wonder if that scares Khan some.” – Amir Khan just beat the most powerful, relentless son of a bitch fighting at 140. You think Tim Bradley with his pillow-fists scares Amir Khan?
"But women DON'T understand the offside rule!" said in defence of Andy Gray.
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They’re completely different though. Maidana throws big punches and is a KO threat, but it’s one at a time. Bradley’ll get inside on Khan and once inside dominate the inside action. Also, Bradley’ll maintain the out-put through the fight.
I don’t mean “scare” like make him pee his pants or have scary dreams. I mean “scare” like “cause concern”. I think Khan should be concerned about Bradley – I don’t think that’s an easy fight for Khan. It’s certainly not an easy fight for Bradley – but Khan’s the top dollar thoroughbred, Bradley’s just a dude with big balls and a big heart.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Ithink your observations and analysis are spot on.
Bradley comes to win. By whatever means necessary. He has no unique skills but, like many an insurgency, he has beaten many a foe with fewer arms and greater will. He is a relentless, one hundred percent athlete and warrior.
He possesses unintimidating power. But he is delivering it almost without fail evenly across what ever number of rounds it takes to win. His opponents need to know that. That doesn’t mean simply saying they’re prepared. It means facing it down over twelve rounds…in the ring on fight night.
There are couple of observations I believe add to his victorious campaign. One, his defense is much better than most think. He gets knocked down at times but most of the time he does not get hit flush. Secondly, he paces himself. He stays within his rhythm. He doesn’t expend more than necessary yet he is intense. That is not true of most fighters, the majority of whom fit in energy bursts, often depleting themselves with their own intensity.
I think Khan is the superior athlete and the far more talented boxer. I also think he has the one shot power to stop Bradley. if he hits anyone the way he hit Maidana early, he wins. but Bradley will test his will. He will be right there all night long. In th US or the UK, Bradley comes to win.
Khan will have to be ready to fight twelve full rounds against…for the moment at least….the best fighter at 140 lbs in the world.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
excellent assessment methinks
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I think Khan exposes Bradley
But I also thought Alexander would expose Bradley. So what do I know? Caveat emptor.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Khan may expose Bradley, I believe that.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Khan may beat Bradley
But I think he is alreadyexposed as it were.
what you see is what you get. He himself does not deny that.
But he also speaks the truth when he says that everyone says the same thing about him….and then they go home with a L on the record.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
here you have it, we’ve seen khan fight boxers who can’t punch, and seen him fight punchers who can’t box, so the real test is to see him up agst someone who can box and punch, and to add, i DO believe Bradley has the best ring IQ at 140, you talk punch power, the mayweathers say (well those bastards say a lot of things) that skills win fights, and i can’t disagree with that.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
My thoughts
The fight was kind of lackluster. I had Bradley winning though.
As far as the headbutts, none looked intentional. I don’t see Bradley as a dirty fighter.
Alexander “quitting”? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m not one of those guys who wants to question a guys heart or drive because of what I saw on TV. I’ve never been cut or headbutted like that and I’m not a doctor. I don’t know what he’s feeling or how serious an injury is. I’m just a fan watching on TV.
I think Bradley would give Khan a run for his money. He dealt pretty well with Alexander’s speed and he’s faster then Maidana. He’s not as powerful, but it’s not like Khan has a chin of stone either. (I’m no saying it’s glass, cause it obviously isn’t)
Khan should fight him
He is not a risk to hurt him
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Isn’t that the no brainer fight? – top 140 guys. Is this gonna actually happen or are we gonna have some promotional bullshit get in the way?
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Here's how I see the fight
Bradley was very good at using his most effective weapon in this fight, his head. The best punch he threw in the fight, came right after a head butt. He was honestly combo-ing off of head butts and it was part of his strategy. Any time that Alexander would try to set up shop on the inside, Bradley would give him a head butt, brilliant defense buddy.
End of the fight:
Alright this was all kinds of sketchy from all of the participants. First part: What the hell is Bradley doing in that situation. He throws a punch on the inside that misses by maybe a foot behind Alexander’s head and then hits Alexander flush in the head. In order to generate more torque on your punches, some fighters lead with their head and then whip around the punch. This makes at least some sense in that it would create slightly more power. Hell Sergio did this when he KOd Williams. He ducked his head down and whipped forth an overhand right. But what did Bradley do? He missed with his punch and then came in head his head, exactly the opposite of what other people do. In terms of generating power, it would make the head butt even more destructive.
The cut that Alexander got on his left eye was small but in an awful location. Unless he could fully squint his eye, that blood was getting into his eye, which is what he was doing. Honestly, in the previous rounds I thought that Alexander won the majority of minutes but Bradley effectively stole both of them. I don’t think Alexander thought he was winning or that the fight was out of hand. Also what’s with refs not giving the optional 5 minutes but I digress. Do I think he made a rational decision, yeah probably. So if it was a close fight with Alexander having one eye, imagine how it would be if every couple of seconds he couldn’t see at all? So yeah I can see why it would seem like he quit. However for him to quit, I would think that he would have to be faking something, which I don’t think is true.
This post has rambled on for way too long.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Ramble-riffic maybe, but correct.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yup.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
This is how the St Louis dispatch saw it
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
You do know we're both agreeing with you, right?
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
That article is exactly right--also, where was DA's jab?
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
In basketball parlance,
It’s hard to win games shooting 3’s the whole game….without penetrating effectively to keep the opposition honest.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That's all I remember seeing
That and the right hand. Which was strange, because I thought his corner would adjust to have him throw the uppercut when Bradley was coming in. It was the punch he used to knockout Urango, and it was absent. So I kept waiting, but I don’t even remember him trying to throw it either.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
Any analysis that fails to acknowledge Devon Alexander's
Inferior use of his southpaw stance and his God-given skills is flawed.
The man was beat in vurtually every round because of what either he failed to do (throw punches that mattered from inside the three point line) or what he was unable to do because the other man, Timothy Bradley, was simplt the better man.
Alexander lost the first round. Almost every expert picked him to easily beat Bradley ythe first three or four rounds. The fact that he did NOT had nothing to do with head butts…it had to do with Brdaley using his intelligence and will and taking from Alexander what theoretically was his; the initiative. While alexander was happy looking good and sounding (he is the monica seles of boxing) effective….he did almost nothing to keep Bradley from penetrating his jab and entering his space. Again, this happened all fight. rifght from the beginning.
Tim Bradley was by every scorecard, the winner last night. If the fight continued, he IMO would have beaten the less mentally tough Al;exander by an even wider margin.
If the fight was 15 rounds……even larger.
Give Bradley his due.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
The fight was much closer than you’re making it sound. Even the widest card meant tipping a couple of very close rounds to Timmy.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
(throw punches that mattered from inside the three point line)
Real talk. The guy has a great uppercut. If Bradley was lowering his head every time he came in why didn’t Alexander take a half-step back and rip him with the uppercut? I honestly don’t remember Alexander throwing one uppercut all night.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Steward said something about TB neutralizing it
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Did he say how he was doing that?
My brother’s kids were running around and I didn’t hear the commentary very well.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
maybe alexander is bad at adjusting, and Scott said in the pre-fight that alexander is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no offense to him, b/c he is a world champion, but still. neither is khan, and a few dozen uppercuts on his forehead can attest to that…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Scott was right.
And I think you are as well.
I dont think DA is the sharpest arrow in the quiver.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That old excus. LOL
Believe me…the best thing about living on the east coast is that my kids are asleep when the fights come on.
Steward said the following:
Bradley fought a good fight for a short fighter.
And that he uses his small-ness to his advantage.
He has very good foot work. Fast.
He cuts the ring off well.
He crowds his opponents.
His short punches are very effective inside.
Lederman was more indicting of Alexander and complimentary of Bradley.
He said DA made the fatal mistake of a southpaw by stepping to his left, thus going right into TB’s right hand.
He also said Brdley turnes his punches over in a unique way and thus does more damage (than one might think).
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Hell, I forgot to mention Alexander circling to his left all night.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 31, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
You mention it like it was a bad tactic or something....
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I realize that
But if anyone earned the benefit of the doubt in any one round, it was more than not, Bradley. And that is for the most part, how it was scored.
The fight was not great by any stretch but this is how Bradley fights tend to be. He wins kind of ugly. But he wins. Which means the other guy loses.
I think you’ll agree, Devon Alexander may claim a whole lot of whatevers…but he has no claim to having beat Timothy Bradley
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
TYPO
But if anyone earned the benefit of the doubt in any one round, it was more often than not, Bradley
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
A story to follow!
Bob Arum is talking very nicely about Tim Bradley and not so complimentary about Amir Khan.
Me thinks Top Rank is aiming to bring TB into Manny’s house.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
interesting
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Jan 30, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
It begins to explain TB's focus on Pacquiao...
SSM became very cozy with Top rank before his fight with Manny was announced.
As HBO’s reign is challenged, it will be very interesting to see how Golden Boy adapts.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Devon might need a new trainer from his childhood coach, anyone agree? I haven’t seen any improvement in his last few fights, and he’s in his prime, a time when he SHOULD be getting better each fight.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I think a trainer change could definitely be in order after last night,
Nazim?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 30, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
definitely. I think Devon may be like Pavlik, though – too much loyalty for his own good.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
nazim or roach or steward would be FANTASTIC. kessler, love him or hate him, made a good switch of trainers when it mattered most….. so did cotto, but NOT pavlik, or jermaine taylor, … enough of Jack “Double the f’n jab” Loew. Pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Kessler’s switch was the right one. He went from the tactical guy to the guy who would get him engaged and fired up. It was exactly what he needed to battle Froch.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
If Cunningham really cares about DA
he needs to find a way to “co-”coach, or be co-manager or something that keeps him mentoring the kid even tho hands on training is in the hands or a more expert, pro trainer, so the kid’s loyalties aren’t afflicted—with the underlying understanding that Cunningham defers to the experts on training issues, without any insider politics stressing DA. There’ve been arrangements and amicable switches that worked before, switching trainers actually did help a bit even with Arreola’s weight, for instance.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
by BoxAnne on Jan 31, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be ideal
Like how Hanley Ramirez is taking a back seat to Ronnie Shields with Arreola.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 31, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly--
the smart ones handle things like that win-win, and with any luck, the kid wins too. My brain is stalled in overdrive, and can’t name examples, but there are others.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Or a new promoter
Who doesn’t put him in water above his head without seasoning
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Jan 30, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought alexander was ready, it’s just that bradley was the better man.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Doesn't matter now
Bradley moves on….and devon steps back
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
truuuu
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Cylee, we need to rustle up that Crow recipe from TSS
and share it with some of these fellas.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
dude, a lot of these guy’s egos are too fragile for the crow. everyone’s an expert on this site, tho i think a few are actually just that.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
lovers and haters.......
But not as many fighters
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
One prediction stands...
Kevin Cunningham curses up a storm: “I told you about the f*cking head? Caused by a blow? OMg! this mf’ ref fulla’ sh*t man!” hahah… love it!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
did you hear him scream at the ref mid-round when the ref called it an “accidental head butt”. He just screams “accidental!?!” – hilarious.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I'm surprised at some of the comments
Alexander didn’t have a great strategy, but he showed glimpses. he just wasn’t disciplined enough to stick to the plan and create a boring outside fight where he could basically jab Bradley to death. I also didn’t think the fight was as bad as some here made it out to be. I wasn’t expecting anything exciting, but it wasn’t horrible. Too much clinching for my liking, but whatever.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Jan 30, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, my thoughts pretty much the same. We got to see two top, unbeaten fighters in their division work it out in their primes. I never expected it to be pretty or full of thrills and chills, but that wasn’t why we wanted to see it.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
There were a couple of times that Alexander managed to get in a quick one-two, then duck the Bradley bullrush. Side-step and then counter. Rinse wash repeat. However as you said he wasn’t disciplined enough to do it completely. He wanted to use the uppercut too much and Bradley would bullrush in and smother Alexander in head butts and punches. It was a decent fight at a very high skill level but ultimately disappointing. I’m not sure why we expect these fights to be Gatti-Ward but I wanted a little more action and got disappointed.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 30, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the fight was aiight until the ending, and I had the feeling it was going to end better than it started.
So yeah.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Jan 30, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
So did I
That end was almost as empty as watching PW fall in the second round.
I was waitinbg for a fight to break out … nad then my night was over.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
that was totally different
that was shocking and savage, much more than being a bit of a let down ending. Alexander was clearly going to lose anyway. It wasn’t like Dawson-Pascal, were Chad was turning it up or anything like that.
I thought a fight did break out, it just wasn’t all that pretty but I have to say again I enjoyed it. I would have preferred Alexander to put on a clinic and deliver a breakout performance, as he’s the one more likely to be a star and being pushed that way (I heard he was on the front cover of the NYT a while back) but it didn’t work out. At least he’s not like Williams and he’s young enough to learn and come back.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
PW's fall
had monster shock and awe value, which is different. The similarity is in the level of audience anticipation, and then the “loss,” however entertainingly and amazingly, being left with no further entertainment, or, here, with a fight that wasn’t awful to watch, but never really took off, and then had very much the opposite of a shock and awe finish. But both just left you wanting more.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yes. A short fight ended with a sensational punch can be very entertaining. Pacquiao-Hatton had a similar flavor.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I didn't articulate that last post well.
The empty feeling was a different empty feeling.
I love huge and decisive knockouts.
But I love chess matches as well.
Whenever a fight suddenly stops, I almost always wish there was more.
The adrenaline I get from anticipation wants it.
No doubt this one stunk because TDs mostly do.
I wanted a fight to the finish like we all did.
PW’s fall just left me more BLH time
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
unless you were supporting the guy knocked out....
as I was with Hatton and Williams… :(
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
It was over hyped.
Nothing short of a complete blowdown, mayhem, FOY candidate would have sufficed. That level of hype engenders disappointment.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
yeah
I never thought it was going to be that wonderful and I actually enjoyed it. Sure there was a lot of headbutting and clinching, but that didn’t spoil it for me.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I will come out and say it:
I think Alexander quit. The timing was too coincidental as Bradley was starting to land more shots and was beginning to break Devon down. Then, after allegedly being unable to open whatever eye was bothering him, Devon is being wiped down and suddenly his eyes stay open for a short time. Suddenly, he notices the camera in his face as he’s being wiped down and begins blinking again.
These are just my observations of course but the timing of his actions are peculiar to say the least. I really believe though that Devon didn’t like what was coming at him and this was his way out.
by SmittytheCutman on Jan 30, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions
I thought Alexander won 4 of the last 5 rounds.
And I think Bradley butted him, for whatever that’s worth.
I don’t think Devon quit.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
they butted each other.
Ive watched it ten times today. In slo slo mo. The fact is that Alexander leaned into Bradley’s space….almost knocking him back.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And Bradley tucked his chin in, and pulled his head to his left in order to make his forehead smash into Alexander's face.
There were two distinct and seperate movements there. One is Bradley’s head coming down (tucking in the chin) and the other is his pulling left. They are clear and distinct. And deliberate, in my opinion.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
yeah that did seem a bit like it was all part of the plan
given how often its happened to others he’s fought recently, as pointed out by KK, its hard to say that its a coincidence or always totally unintentional. I still like Bradley fine, but it is what it is with that head of his….
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
BB, Devon should have read your signature
And sucked it up for a lifetime of gain.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Et tu Devon?
Did you not lurch forward into Bradley’s space and face?
And exactly what was your intention….given that you initiated that contact?
Were you trying to give Timmy a hug….or just show a little love?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Did you not initiate that contact?
Was that not you who lurched forward into Timmy’s space….and face?
And what exactly were your intentions…given that you didn’t seem to even be throwing a punch?
Was it simply to give him a hug….or to show a little love?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I happen to agree
Not only did I not admire his failure to compose himself in time to protest (even if it were only an act), he said in the post fight interview that the loss was ‘alright". No it’s not.
A loss is not alright for the most determined champions. It is like a death.
furthermore he claimed he believed he was winning… a false notion which merchant quickly dispelled him of. He was not winning … and he needed to finish to try. The only way to do that was to fight.
Ask your corner to buy some time. Legal or not…most referees lose control of fights in such circumstances and grant it if it’s demanded. but neither Cunningham or Alexander protested….and yet they knew they were behind on points.
Look at DA’s face when the scores were announced.
He knew he lost.
I think he capitulated.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
DA is going to have to put on quite a performance in his next fight
to be taken seriously as a contender. Not that Bradley was super-domiant, but I sensed no urgency or desire to be stars from these guys. I was looking for someone to stand out here and it didn’t really happen. I hate to say it but I have Khan at the top of the division by a slim margin. Maidana as the darkhorse.
by SmittytheCutman on Jan 31, 2011 3:35 AM EST reply actions
In a really interesting development
Bradley said he’d be ready in time for Khan’s April date and would still be happy to go to the UK on OntheGrind yesterday. Obviously this might just be bluster if he thinks there’s little shot of the fight happening now. That being said, I think this is the best shot we have of seeing this match this year. I am skeptical about Khan trying to squeeze it in during July before Ramadan starts, and I’m not sure their schedules will be alligned at the end of the year. Oscar doesn’t seem particularly enthusiastic about it (prattling on about Bradley-Maidana on twitter) and the fact that Khan’s people appear to be lowballing potential opponents does not make an April fight look probable. That being said, I would love to see these guys face off in the first half of the year.
Bradley’s willingness to fight everyone in the division is one of the things I really like about him, even if it is in part driven by his relative lack of drawing power.
i would love that fight.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
bradley 7 rounds to 5.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Maidana KO-Ringwalk
Bradley passes out from fear on the way to the ring.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jan 31, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
then how come maidana decided not to fight him after ortiz?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I thought
there was all sorts of issues and confusion as to why that never happened at the time, I don’t know exactly – I’m sure TheBoxerRebellion does – but I don’t think it was Maidana necessarily not wanting it.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
He didn’t ‘decide not to fight him.’ His business manager cheated him out of it.
Here, read this.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
thats the one
I remember reading the letter on here or a link to the scene.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Khan destroys Bradley IMO. Khan is like a more polished, less powerful Alexander. Better footwork, more willing to throw combos, and he has a real trainer. Roach will have a gameplan for the headbutts and it won’t be pretty for Bradley. Expect some elbows to the face….
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 31, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
i think his best asset is his speed, and his height, he’s so tall and long.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I’ll agree with that. I think his height only augments his speed because he can get off his punches first. However, the real difference in the upcoming Khan fight will be that Khan will have a solid gameplan whereas Alexander really didn’t.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 31, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Khan is a better and smarter fighter than DA
The proof is already in the pudding. His first and best decision was to recognize that he needed better training and counsel ….and to seek Roach in the first place.
That alone makes him smarter.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Lousy fight
Bradley has heart and determination but is a very good athlete—not a fighter
Is Alexander willing to commit to a punch against someone who doesn’t move like Frankenstein: This is the best we have?
HBO “team” made it appear Alexander was complaining about a butt over right eye when he was furiously blinking his left—
That was a nasty butt
Great start to a new year in boxing (yes, sarcastic old guy missing “the day”)
well this was a fun thread
Except then the Golota stuff went about 25 posts too many and bored the shit out of me, and since I couldn’t figure out where the really boring stuff started nesting, I just deleted it all! Oh well!
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