Hopkins vs Dawson: Five Reasons to Save Your Money
This evening I read a piece over at ESPN by Brian Campbell that laid out five reasons to buy Saturday night's Hopkins vs Dawson pay-per-view. This is not a post meant to crap on his reasoning -- you should read his article and judge for yourself whether his reasons are good enough to shell out money for this show, and I would even add that there are a couple of good undercard fights (Holt vs Garcia, Linares vs DeMarco) that do give this show some added kick, and the undercard wasn't even on his list.
So I'm already defending the idea that you should buy it. But in the interest of me trying to unfreeze my brain, I'm going to lay out five reasons to not buy it -- and five reasons why "boxing's vocal army of critics" are right that this show isn't worth your money.
1. Even HBO knows this isn't a pay-per-view card
There's no debating this. Hopkins vs Dawson is not a pay-per-view caliber main event, especially not a major show main event. It is better than the September 2010 debacle that HBO presented with Shane Mosley and Sergio Mora, but then what isn't? Without comparing it to things that have been worse, we're talking about a bad economy, and this show being sandwiched between Mayweather vs Ortiz (9/17), and the upcoming must-buy shows on November 12 (Pacquiao vs Marquez III) and December 3 (Cotto vs Margarito II). This show is only on pay-per-view because HBO mishandled their budget at times this year. Nobody could truthfully tell you this is a $50 fight, so why should you pretend it is simply because HBO was forced to put it here?
2. Chad Dawson has little to gain in the short-term
Chad Dawson is in an immediate no-win situation here. I don't care how great he is, Bernard Hopkins is a 46-year-old man, and all bare bones reasoning states that he should not win this fight. If Chad Dawson wins this fight, even though he'll be beating the man we all agree is the legit champion of the light heavyweight division, a surefire Hall of Famer, and the best 175-pounder in the world at this moment, he will never be seen as a guy who beat "the real" B-Hop. He'll be the guy who beat a 46-year-old Bernard Hopkins. Plus, outside of his first fight with Roy Jones Jr, Bernard's never lost a fight that was less than hotly debated. Joe Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor didn't get much bump from beating Hopkins in the 2000s, because a lot of people thought he won all three of those fights. If Dawson wins, expect a lot of people to disagree. So what can Chad really gain here in the immediate? Not much. Long-term, of course, there's plenty for him to gain, but that would be on Chad Dawson going forward.
3. The fight won't be good*
It just won't be. I don't think I have to elaborate much more here. You can tell me about skill levels and all that all you want, but the style matchup is begging to be pure boredom. The only chance it has is if Hopkins loses some early rounds, tries to get in Dawson's head with some rough tactics, and Chad amps up the pace and goes for the knockout. My gut feeling is Hopkins will be very happy to keep he and Dawson throwing 30 punches per round, though.
* Every time I really think this, a fight turns out to be OK. Except for Mosley vs Mora.
4. Supporting this card supports bad pay-per-view
I don't really think we're in any real danger of seeing a return of way too many pay-per-view events, but if this fight does do really well on pay-per-view (it won't), then why would Hopkins ever not fight on pay-per-view again? What's stopping Dawson, who has already been overpaid in his career, from demanding he fights on PPV against Jean Pascal should he win this fight? Things can spiral in boxing in a hurry. Not too many years ago, there was an absurd amount of pay-per-view boxing that really did hurt the sport's exposure and wider appeal, and the last few years have seen a return to pay-per-view being for really big events (Mayweather, Pacquiao) and the occasional budget issue or whatever, and then some independent PPVs that wouldn't be on TV otherwise. I don't hate pay-per-view, and honestly don't mind paying for big fights. But it's not something that's healthy for this level of fight.
5. Chad Dawson is a bore, and you're never going to be excited to see him fight
I have nothing in the world against Chad Dawson, not on any kind of personal level. This is entirely a professional critique. Does anyone expect Dawson to still be a top fighter in five years' time? He's not exciting, he's not charismatic, and he makes boneheaded professional decisions constantly. He doesn't even seem like he wants to fight, really. He does it because he's good at it. I don't go in for all this "in my day fighters had passion!" stuff, but if any top-ranked fighter in the sport today validates the argument that today's game lacks energy and drama and intrigue, it's Chad Dawson. We've complained about watching his fights on HBO and Showtime. Pay-per-view?
Realistically, I'm not trying to encourage anyone to "boycott" this fight. It's a notable fight and I know that for some people, guys being highly-ranked is 100% good enough, and that for some people, just the fact that it's boxing is plenty enough. I will not be ordering the show, but this is not because I don't want to -- I'm just not going to be in this weekend. If I were, as I had originally planned to be, I would have gladly ordered the show and been excited to see it all unfold, even with low expectations. That's the mindset of today's hardcore boxing fan: Give it all to us, and we'll judge afterward if it was worth the money or effort.
That said, I also had a standing invite to go do something fun on November 12, and I turned that down without hesitation. This is not Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. Hopkins and Dawson may be more evenly matched (maybe), but if you believe they're worth the same level of anticipation, you're in a very small minority.
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6. Hopkins is the sort of living legend you can appreciate from a distance. If your kids, for some reason, ask you about him, just tell them all about the Trinidad fight and the time he made De La Hoya’s guts explode.
7. Wolak-Rodriguez II is not on the undercard for this ppv.
Dammit that Cotto-Margo undercard almost makes me forget that I’m financially supporting a thug cheat hoodlum.
Almost
I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum, in that I really really really wish that particular undercard didn’t have that one particular name in the main event, because it looks like a blockbuster. But that guy will never get a cent of my money. He tried to break rule number 1 at my boxing gym: No Weapons. As unforgivable as that was, to prove what an unmitigated piece of garbage he is, the man made a video making fun of the effects of parkinson’s disease. He better pray that one doesn’t come back around on him.
and that’s the one time I comment on anything regarding Antonio Margarito for this year.
If my friend Dan’s reception is good, I’m in for free. I do love Delvin. I’d never get over hating myself, but poor reception could drive me to essentially unacceptable extremes.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I’m getting it without any hesitation. I’ve been genuinely curious about this fight ever since Dawson began looking for the fight. It’s also nice to see a good undercard without the stench of Margarito in the main event.
Also, in response to point 4, couldn’t one just as easily say that supporting this fight supports good PPV cards? I can see the argument that any success could result in more and more PPVs, but I kind of hold the opinion that Pandora’s box has already been opened on that issue. Obviously I’d prefer to not have to shell out cash for any fights, but I’m much more comfortable paying for shows that are solid up-and-down than buying a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight that’s loaded with mismatches on the undercard.
I’ll probably buy it, it’s about the only thing on this weekend, and I like chess-match fights if they’re well fought. And I’m hoping on Hopkins hard enough to want to see him smack Dawson, because Dawson irritates me so. He just irritates me to death.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I'm gonna skip
And I dont mind watching a tactical boxing match. I’m gonna skip because Hopkins seems to have a trend that after a very bad, ugly fight, a great fight. And after a great fight, a horrible, unwatchable, dirty, fight. Look back at his all-time great performance against, Trinidad. That was great a great fight. It was an unbelievable performance. But anyone remember the fight before that?? Keith Holmes! And I use an exclamation point there because it angers me to even remember that barnyard fight. It was a fiasco. It looked more like WWE if anything. But then he outclasses Trinidad in style.
The second fight with Jermaine Taylor, unanimous decision lost. Then right after that, goes up two weight divisions and embarasses Antonio Tarver.
Then the inconsistencies really begin; Hopkins dominates Winky Wright, really makes him look like an average fighter. So now Calzaghe is coming up next, and you’re like :Man, Hopkins is gonna kill this dude". Boy was I wrong.(And yes I am one that had Hopkins losing that fight). And by the way, it was another ugly, barnyard type of WWE fight. All instigated by Hopkins. All of the acting, and the theactrics to go along with it. Calzaghe tapped him on the back of the head, and Hopkins falling to the ground like he just got knocked over the head with a sledge hammer. And if I recall also, there were some phantom type lowblows where Hopkins overdid trying to sell it ti the ref. Plain and simply, Hopkins made that fight unwatchable.
So up next is undefeated KO artist Kelly Pavlik. Kelly came in red hot, Hopkins not so. Everyone thought the old man time had finally came. Another shocker. Hopkins dominated every second of every minute of every round of that fight. And pretty much put an end to Pavliks career that night. Totally outclassed him. With no added drama or theatrics involved either.
Then came Hopkins vs Jones 2. Do I really need to speak on that? I think I’ll save you guys the heartache and not rehash those memories that should be forever forgotten.
I’ll just add in that it was more of the same foolishness from Hopkins.
After the circus from Jones —Hopkins came the two quality fights with Jean Pascal. Ending with a great performance in the second fight, to put away any doubt about who was the better boxer.
So now comes Chad Dawson. Not only is Chad a boring fighter who fights like he’s winning when he knows he’s losing. But he just seems content on fighting his fight even if its not effective and he knows a loss is coming. Top that off with Hopkins looking like an all-time great world-class fighter in his last fight, and you have WWE all over again. Or maybe Hopkins falling to the ground everytime hes touched on the back of his head like was just hit over the head with one of your grandmother’s frying skillets.
I’ll skip and rewatch the following week on HBO. And I will do this because of a trend that I’ve noticed with Hopkins. Hes very inconsistent.
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by Zfan on Oct 13, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i wont be making a purchase...
because ill be there. :) solid card even without the PPV you have that 52 year old wrongfully accused guy fighting a 30 year old plus collazo is coming back. nothing special but if youre a hardcore fan its a great card overall. i agree not a PPV though.
Even I'm not hardcore enough for this one
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by Brickhaus on Oct 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HOPKINS/DAWSON
On paper, Dawson has all the physical advantages and should win, however the question remains is he gritty enough to deal with an ole Pit Bull like BHOP. Bernard needs to take this fight to the trenches and see just how BAD Chad is. Whether or not BHOP has enough gas to constantly crowd Dawson and negate his boxing is asking alot. It will be a close fight, and will test Dawson’s mettle.
This'll just be another display of Dawson not utilizing his height and reach advantage properly.
I got B-Hop all day.
yup. Dawson is very skilled and just flaky.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Lotierzo on TSS
and [Hopkins is] not above going outside the Marques of Queensberry rules if he has to in order to get into his opponent’s mind and gain a psychological or strategical advantage and I think Dawson may be vulnerable to this as much as any fighter Bernard has crossed paths with recently once the bout starts. . . .
He will certainly do so, and Dawson will just stand there looking appalled, with "But that’s rude! all over his face and just start gong to bits.
[T]herefore I’ll look smart and go with Dawson. But I just can’t. I’d rather pick Hopkins and be wrong than the opposite.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Haha
Top stuff that. Hopkins is master at expoiting any mental shortcomings
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
it is disappointing that this fight is on PPV – i had a lot of friends (casual fight fans) who got excited about the Hopkins/Pascal fight on regular HBO and were entertained because it was a good fight and they were entertained by his in-ring antics.
im not buying this fight either; for the sole reason that i just dont feel ike its PPV worth BUT if i were to buy this fight.. its not the type of fight I would invite people over to watch – I would be more inclined to watch it by myself and just hope for the best.
There needs to be an LOL option. =P
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Ive been having trouble sleeping lately
So I might watch in order to drift off.
Might go into a boredom induced coma though.
by Shitali Klitschko on Oct 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WTF
This is a waste of time and resources, why HBO is putting this on I don’t understand. Why it couldn’t wait until next year ? Why did this fight have to happen now, thats the part that gets me? Anyone know why it couldn’t wait for early 2012 where there are a lot of open dates
1 thru 5 are all good reasons. #5 especially for me. I hate watching Chad Dawson fights on regular HBO…I would never pay to watch his crap fights. How much is this fight going for anyway? And does anybody know how much the pac/marquez & cotto/margarito fights are going to be?
That HD difference remains utterly infuriating. Then again, cable companies still tack on HD fees to those channels, so perhaps we’re still in a dark age of pricing the (not-all-that) new technology.
by El Destruyo on Oct 14, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Im buying this
because being from CT Ive watched Dawson grow and am (hopelessly) waiting for him to reach his potential. And because Hopkins has always been one of my favorites.
As for the Cotto fight, Im not going to buy it…. Im going to go to it. God thats going to be so good.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
yeah cotto vs marg will be the first heavily hyped fight in a long time that will live up to the hype.
i don’t give a shit that they’re not at the top of the heap, they both go balls to the wall.
I’ll follow it here, but I won’t buy it.
I think this will in fact turn into an awful clinch-fest, and nothing like a “chess match.” When Dawson is active, and is very quick and powerful, but he seems like molasses for large stretches, and to me just doesn’t seem to very good at initiating and then sustaining momentum.
Hopkins was amazing in the second Pascal fight, but he’s still 46, and could be really bad in this one. I am among those who thought Calzaghe beat him pretty clearly.; the Jones II fight has been discussed to death, so I won’t mention it. In addition to this, he seems to rely on dubious and rather “snaky” tactics, among them his overwrought reaction to being hit when it suits him, and so regardless of his age, or his win against Pascal, or his current championship, I find him in general to be a rather distasteful fighter.
So, I have no reason to watch, if it would cost $50 or $60.
So,
It’s a shame that I think $50 would be a reasonable amount to pay. And as ridiculous as it is for customers, I agree that the HD price difference aint going nowhere. Which is also a shame. Also a shame? I wouldnt pay $5 let alone $50 or $60 to see Chad Dawson fight. I dont have anything personal against the guy; I just feel he’s another HBO guy who’s been force fed to us and never lived up to potential. Too often he looks bored and unmotivated and a lotta times seems like he just dont care. That being said, if he comes in focused and hungry, he can beat BHop cuz he is physically talented. I just won’t be watching.
Hopkins vs Dawson PPV May Do Better Than Expected
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/sport/boxing-hopkins-dawson-bozella/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Huge magor headline treatment of the fight on CNN.com front page leader.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
ehh I just bought a $60 ticket to actually go see it in person.
wouldn’t have touched the PPV though, fuck that noise.
have a good time
Bring a pillow for the main event :)
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No kidding.
Cleverly-Bellew will be much better, but only by comparison, and mostly because of Cleverly.
interesting to see how Degale fares too
I’d like him to come out and apply him self a little more and to take he initiative. Groves did that too much in there fight and I think that proved crucial. Hopefully he has learnt lessons. He shoulkd have. He’s a smart lad with a good boxing brain. I fully expect him to kick on now
Cleverly will be a one sided beatdown IMO. Can’t see it going past 9 but a real chanceBellow is taken out early IMO
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Degale is really good, and I’m also interested in this fight. I think he’ll win. But I’m not sure that lack of initiative on Degale’s part caused the loss.
I watched the fight with Groves again, before responding to you, and it still strikes me how good Groves’ balance and footwork were. Groves is very fast and technically proficient, but in addition to this he never seemed to lose his footing, and I think that had a great deal to do with his resilience, and the outcome.
Iv been meaning to watch that again
Fuck it, il be back in 40 minutes or so….
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions

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