Open Thread: Nathan Cleverly vs Tony Bellew & Piotr Wilczewski vs James DeGale
by The Boxing Bulletin on Oct 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
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BoxNation has a double-header on tap today, featuring a couple of twelve rounders and we'll be following along with all the action for you.
Up first will be a Super-Middleweight contest for European honours, between Piotr Wilczewski and James DeGale, followed by a light-heavyweight showdown between British rivals Nathan Cleverly and Tony Bellew.
Our own Dave Oakes has a full preview of the main-event:
The telecast starts at 6 PM UK Time (1 PM EST).
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DeGale by stoppage, round 6. I’d hate to be the ref in this one, because Wilczewski is very limited, but he seems like the kind of fighter who would like a dark alley and someone to keep the cops away, and he’ll keep going.
Cleverly by clear decision.
Don't know Wilczewski
I guess it would go much like the Brook fight last weekend if Degale opens up
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve only seen Wilczewski once and wasn’t that impressed. He does look like he’s tough though and can see him taking DeGale a few rounds.
Big plus is the COtto Margo card
Get in…… Cannot wait for that
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So it’s at 2:00pm US eastern? instead of 1:00 pm?
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I’ve got my usual. But I have to be careful, because I have to be at the University tomorrow (yes, Sunday) by 8:30 AM for a day-long Open House event for prospective students and their parents.
Maybe I should show up either hungover or still drunk.
You’ll regret the “still drunk”-option at around lunchtime.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Hah, I am sure that your students love you!
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
I understand that they do so in GB, but not outside of it. :(
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Yeah. Me too.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
It's here
Not sure if you can see it, depending where you live.
http://www.boxnation.performgroup.com/page/LiveStream/0,,14401,00.html
Access Denied
Due to licensing restrictions we are unable to broadcast in your country.
But thanks anyway.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Would you mind giving me some hint about this by winkelheim@web.de ?
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Bellew
seems like he’s trying to convince himself he’s got a chance more than anything with all the angry talk.
Good hype for the fight though, if nothing else.
I’m not sure it’s put on. I just think Bellew knows he’s gonna be outclassed so he’s trying to fire himself up and/or get Cleverley to stand and trade.
Whether they box or fight, Cleverly wins, imo.
From what they have both shown so far Cleverly is at least a couple of levels above TB, imo, and this fight shouldn’t really be happening at this stage in Clev’s career, certainly not for a WBO title, IMO.
It’s going to look like such an outrageous mismatch tonight. There’s only going to be one guy in the ring who actually knows how to string his punches together.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Loved his mini-rant about how boxing isn’t funded by a 3rd world country – whatever that means!
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'll sadly be missing the entire card - cursing my lack of a TV license at university - but I'll be checking in here throughout the night to see what's going down!
Cleverly by a ridiculous shellacking of Bellew; DeGale by boring blowout.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
So true. I’m currently pretending to know something about the dual temporalities in Shakespeare’s history plays, so I’ll pretend to know something about boxing later!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As an Englishman, I can honestly say that Shakespeare is massively overrated. Give me Steinbeck or Dickens any day.
The plays have almost uniformly crappy endings, because they had to end somewhere. But, my English friend, the language is stunning. In my humble, colonist’s opinion.
Exactly. Pretty much every Shakespeare ending – in all its ambiguity and open-endedness – is testament to the idea that Shakespeare hated endings. Instead, he decided to leave us still debating quite what he meant 400 years on, with no sign of any agreement on the horizon…!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Shakespeare? Overrated? I think my supervisor would have a fit if she heard those two words together!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m no expert. In fact, I disliked the three I’ve read so much that I’ve never bothered reading any more.
Absolutely! Sounds good to me – drop me an email some time so we don’t clog up a BLH feed…
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Enzo Maccarenelli thinks Cleverly v Bellew is a 50 / 50 fight – I think he’s taken too many blows to the head!
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
quite possibly...
on the blows to the head, not it being a 50-50 fight!
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Sounds like Enzo’s sold-out and producing Frank Warrenisms…
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Buncey
says he’d put Bellew in with Dawson.
Richie Woodhall tries not to laugh.
Even Richard Keys had a little giggle to himself i reckon.
That's Bunce for ya
He love his fellow Brit fighters.
That was ridiculous even by his standards though.
Greatest Bunce moment just about ever for me was when he turned to Ola Afolabi and said something like “I know you beat Enzo, but I think even you’d admit he wasn’t the real Enzo that night and things would have been different otherwise.” Cue incredible awkwardness.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, awkardness doesn’t seem to bother our Steve.
He was talking about “kissing and cuddling” Richie Woodhall in the studio during the World amateurs coverage.
Richie didn’t look too keen.
Would love it if that round had finished – you don’t get many 10-4 rounds!
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
First I’ve seen of Butler, but he looked good. It’s a pretty open division for him domestically
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes he looks pretty raw, but it would be great in the future to see a British fighter under 9 stone make some waves internationally.
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Kanalas down after 40 seconds, Butler teeing off on him. Down again from a left hook to the body 40 seconds later. This won’t go past the first. Another knockdown, Kanalas can’t take the body shots. And down again from yet another body blow and the fight is waved off.
“munters!” lovin’ it, assuming it means “dogs” in US English.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Im from over here
But have never heard Pig scarer!! Brilliant lol
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you don't mind if I use it from here on
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy Joe Saunders should be on next against Norbert Szekeres. He should get the job done inside two or three rounds.
I’m glad he’s on. i thought they’d pulled him cos he wasn’t mentioned in Boxing News and he’s on the Burns v Katsidis bill too eh?
I’m surprised you’d say that.
Groves all day for me. I really don’t rate Smith all that highly, plus he’s really a middleweight.
He fight with “love handles”.
Agreed. I think Groves will make mincemeat of Smith, to be honest.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t have anywhere near the pop to go any further, I reckon.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his power was one of his plus points
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not half
And he has stopped a few of his opponents
Would like to see him step up his opponent level within the next 6 months because the geezers he has been boxing have been quite poor IMO
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t look near big enough for a middleweight to me though.
But maybe that’s just cos he’s young and he fights out of a bit of a crouch.
He's quite thick set and
he looks like he gets real leverage on his shots. Always liked him. Very crowd pleasing style
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure. He looks pretty heavy-handed against the scrubs he’s fighting now, but at the same time I remember him struggling to dent guys like Alex Spitko. I’m not convinced at all.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't he had a hand problem or a broken hand once
I might just be imagining shit. Not sure
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure you’re right – from what I remember, he’s had a lot of hand trouble since turning pro.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still really young too
He was 17 at the olympics was he not? makes him 21 max. The lad is still maturing physically
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not convinced yet either Oli.
Far from it, to be honest, considering his level of opposition mainly, but also i just don’t think he has that great a style.
Out of the ‘08 class, he always stood out as the least likely to really make an impact in the pro game, excluding Tony Jeffries, as far as I’m concerned. We’ll see, eh!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith
Really can’t see that one. It will be close than the Degale fight, but also shorter IMO. Groves KO by the 7th
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a big call, but I’m leaning that way too. Be a real test to see if Groves is legit or if he just raised his game for Degale
by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
“King Sleaze” Richard Keys.
I wouldn’t trust the guy as far as i could throw him.
Admittedly he stays quite reserved on here but when i occasionally listen to TalkSport (and after what happend with him and the raucous Andy Gray at Sky) he comes across as a right smarmy tw*t.
Can’t say i do. I found that guy Mike “Porky” Parry really funny though.
It’s a shame they got rid of him/he left, imo.
He was great. I haven’t listened to Talk Sport for a long time, but I’m sad to hear Porky’s no longer on the air!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Porky Parry!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked like a rerun with a costume change.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He was fighting a guy in his 3rd pro fight
Looked obvious to me
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
seemed to me he hit Healy after he went down.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He was certainly on his way down
Any later and it would have been dirty
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ba meant the shot to the head after
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
His knees did not touch the ground.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
yeah, back!
watching Rocky Fielding now
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Very happy with De Gea :)
I think 1-1 was just about right
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Clevs can be muppets too, to be fair. Vince Cleverly made a right tit of himself at one of the press conferences for this fight.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t see that Oli. Bellew’s ok, but he sounds like a big dope. He can bang though, Clev has to keep his cool IMO.
I suspect that Cleverly can take a few of Bellew’s shots, though. But you’re right about beng careful.
Doesn't want to take too many, But I doubt he'l let him
It depends on how well Bellow takes Nathen’s shots as to how long it will go
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Something I really like about Cleverly is he throws Variety
Straight shot’s wider shot head body. Really entertaining stuff
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He knows he'l be a lucky man to fight for a world title again
Cash in now and try and get as much hype around the fight as possible
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Afternoon folks
Are the two main fights coming up now?
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Cripes
It’s like the Platonic ideal of the opposite of an American boxing card. Instead of one fight, you get eighty.
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Might pull a pig scarer on the way down there....
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he goes out on the early morning 5 mile runs with Tony?
More likely motivates him while driving his car alongside, eating a full breakfast in a flatcake.
I do admire Bellew’s optimism and self-belief. I am pretty sure that if matched against Vitali Klitschko, Bellew would be utterly convinced that he would win within 3 rounds.
I’m guessing an interesting few rounds, followed by the classic ‘way too early British referee stoppage’, in favour of Cleverly. This allows Bellew to claim that he was robbed.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
This allows Bellew to claim that he was robbed.
That would be ironic…. Il let you imagine the reason why….
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad round
Both fighters aren’t half bad. Not much jabbing, but they keep their hands high, through reasonably straight/short shots, throw in combination, work the body.
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
Are the ring card girls battiling it out to see who goes in the ring?
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pace looks better than his record suggests, and when he goes 0-3, he will look even better. Nice trunks too.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
Good. Thanks. Looks like I left the hotel and came home just in time
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Heffron is supposed to fight for the Central Area title in two weeks. If this keeps up as a dogfight, I’m not sure he’s gonna be ready.
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Round 4 – Big right a minute in from Heffron, Pace took it well. This is better from Heffron, using his skills a bit more now, not rushing his work as well. And then he reverts back to loading up too much in the last minute, although lands a lovely body shot. Heffron’s round. I’ve got it 40-36 for Heffron
Either Heffron has no power, or this kid Pace has a chin (and body) like a goddamn brick wall.
by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Round 5 – More of the same, Heffron lands a big right uppercut to the body, Pace took it and came back again. How has Pace got a 0-2 record? He doesn’t look a world beater by any means but he’s a tough lad who can take a shot and he’s got a decent work-rate. A good uppercut by Heffron to end the round. Another round for Heffron.
Yeah
Whenevr The heff landed something that I thought would make him back down, he returned with interest. Great will power
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
58-56 Heffron on my card. pretty good fight.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Round 6 – Final round and Heffron comes out quickly, clearly wanting to get Pace out of there – I can’t see it happening, Pace has taken everything Heffron has thrown at him. Pace coming on strong midway through the round, not landing much cleanly but had Heffron going backwards for a short period. Heffron regains control but I’m liking Pace’s attitude.
The bell goes and Heffron’s hand is raised. That was a very good learning fight for Heffron. Pace deserves to be matched against easier opponents, he could turn out to be a decent boxer, he’s only a young lad.
The ref scores it 60-54, which was the same way I scored it. A touch harsh on Pace
Who he call handsome now?
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I thought this was supposed to start hours ago...
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
I must say i can’t complain about waiting for the main events.
I think this is part of the bonus of having a channel dedicated to boxing, being able to watch the full card.
With all things considered, the production, the schedule quality and the studio pudits,etc, i think BoxNation is great for the sport.
Off to a good start at least.
Fielding V Tolan Round 1: Fielding keeping it at range and using his height and reach advantages to good effect. There’s a bit of blood about, can’t tell where from, Fielding left eye by the looks of it, by the side of it. Quietish round but Fielding was controlling it for me. The replay suggests the cut was caused by a punch.
I read this week that Frankie Gavin is determined to stick at welterweight and is looking towards a fight with British champ Lee Purdy.
I know he’s listed as 5’10" and he can likely compete at 147 domestically, but he looks a bit out of shape to me at that weight and i really think he will be lacking the strength, power and possibly punch resistance at that weight when/if he gets to world class level.
Kell Brook, for example would always be too much for Gavin, imo.
He’s a 140 fighter, at least until he matures more, imo.
Gavin obviously didn’t take note of Barry McGuigan then!
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He's small for 140
And he needs to move down IMO. His punches lack meat at 147.
Such a shame because I love his style. He really needs to dedicate himself
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he looks to be carrying excess to me and should probably be a lightweight, but he is quoted in Boxing News this week as saying “i’ll target Lee Purdy” and “i’ve got the skills to beat all of them (at 147)”.
He was on Buncey's show saying he's spoken to Tibbs saying there going to give WW a real crack
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Were definatley not the only ones to think that
Maybe once he loses at WW he might start to take it serously. maybe not. Prehaps it is the biggest waste of talent Britain has seen in generations
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My knowledge doesn't stretch that far im afraid
Whats his story?
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the problem with Christie was that he had no chin whatsoever, rather than personal issues that stopped him from being at his best. I may be wrong though.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a combination of the two, I think. Top class amateur, all the abiility in the world, did nothing as a pro.
Yeah, I just know for getting KO’d heavily several times. Wasn’t he trained at Kronk for a while too? The sadder thing is that Gavin doesn’t even seem to have a bad chin. He has everything, except the desire to really apply himself it seems.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to get behind Gavin I really do
But can I. Guys would kill to have that kind of skill and talent. He’s taking it for granted and it will bite him in the ass
Shame
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yepp. You’d think that struggling to a decision over an ex-professional footballer would convince him that natural skill will only get you so far by itself!
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally. He is not a welterweight. He is moving up in weight because he isn’t dedicated enough to hit 140. He is in’t even hitting the gym to make up for the fact that he is a small welterweight. Looks destined to be a domestic level fighter if that is the case.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut uuup :)
Don’t breather on Charlie Adam, he might fly to France
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I’m just relieved we never lost…and you wish you had a central midfielder like Charlie Adam
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
yeah!
I didn’t know you were too :)
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yep. Thought we were very unlucky today. It’s going to be a long process but at least we’re going in the right direction. We need to get in the top 4 this season to help the process.
we Have to be in top 4
I think we will be, we’re better than Arsenal and Spurs are mentally fragile…its the minimum for us
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't know
Spurs are looking V good atm. Adeybayor is a fantastic signing
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The lack of Champions League football for Spurs will help their squad big time
compared to last year
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TBH I do like Charlie
Very good player. Great passing ability. Shit balance though….
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly did
Don’t know what Giggsy was thinking. Had his poorest game in a very long while.
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He's moved on
To him she is a pig scarer now…..
Shit… once I pop I just can’t stop
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. What a lowlife. Cheating with his bro’s wife.
And all the while trying to put across his whiter than white image.
This is why i hate football. It’s not the game itself, it’s half of the schmucks who play it.
you see the rugby Matt?
I know its union…but all of Wales must be sick
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I want to feel sorry for Wales
But if the shoe was on the other foot…. They would be loving it….. Still a straight choice between France and Wales… I was rooting for the Welsh
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I had bet on Wales at 14-1 the other week, Bri. Just a fiver because i knew they were up against it if they did get to the final, so yes i was a bit sick.
That ref was a disgrace and i felt for the Welsh fans and especially the team.
They might as well ban tackling if they are gonna send players off for that.
And tbh Rio said he nicked him slightly
So by the absoloute letter of the law the ref was correct, as way Adam. But I hate the rules. It encoureges “diving”
Fifa needs to change the law I believe…. oh whats that, Sepp Blatter’s still in charge… nver going to happen
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 2 – The ref has a word with both lads about heads clashing. I’m not too sure what either of them can do about it, it’s just that their styles aren’t meshing well. Very scrappy action, not much landing clean, plenty of shots missing by a mile. Not good. Tolan marauds forward with 30 secs to go, doesn’t do anything and they share a loving embrace by the ropes. Another replay shows the cut was caused by a head clash.
Oh wow, you guys have a whole channel now devoted to boxing? I’m very jealous now.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
ah
its entertaining enough…not one for the purists, no…
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
+1
Fielding needs more variety. Without the one two he has an awful lot of nothing
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Like watching a poor man's Wlad
ok I take that back
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Im still laughing while typing
but yes just a tad
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
made me laugh
I do like Rocky though….it might have been scrappy, but hey
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
gee....
I just clocked the ring girl… :))
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
lol
unfortunately not fella, but I normally multi task in between rounds and I just saw her for the first time!! :) Are you?
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
yeah I just remembered you're local to there
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
well of course you are actually...
it being our way….just happy for once to be able to watch something live :)
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Still gets me
It will be in a dictionary this time next year
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
With a picture of Susan Boyle next to it
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh ok :)
I was feeling a bit chastised at finding it funny :)
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Just not a nice look is it
Makes my spine chill
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I dislike them apologizing for swearing. It’s half nine and it’s boxing, it’s fair to say not many viewers will be offended. There aren’t going to be many people watching blokes smash each others faces in who are going to go “golly gosh, that fellow just said fuck”.
Don’t think Richard Keys needs the controversy though!
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m waiting for him to have a breakdown on telly, he’ll just be there shouting tits and arse at the camera. A bit like Father Jack off Father Ted.
you just don't like him, period :)
hopefully he’ll have toned down his entrance a bit now…
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Not sure who i dislike more, DeGale or Groves. They are both arrogant tw*ts but at least DeGale is up front with his arrogance.
Groves just seems smarmy and conceited to me, but is pretty quiet about it.
DeGale is definitley more annoying though.
I prefer Degale
I think you nailed it… Degale is honest about his cockyness. I prefer that
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice counter jab by Ski early. DeGale is a lot quicker of hand and foot than Ski, although he’s struggling to find his range in the opener. DeGale switching to orthodox, a move that doesn’t suit him that well in my opinion. Not much to separate them in the first round, both having a look at each other but not doing a great deal. Even round for me. 10-10
Rawling obviously talking about Hatton when he just said ‘Ski’ doesn’t allow his weight to balloon between rounds.
A good right from Ski doesn’t land clean, DeGale lands a left hook to the body, he’s boxing off the back foot, which I don’t think is the greatest move against Ski, he needs to discourage the strong Pole, who is limited but can be a handful if he’s allowed to come forward. DeGale picking it up a bit, he gets a warning for spinning Ski and clipping him around the ear. Great uppercut by DeGale registers, you can tell Ski felt that. DeGale’s round. 20-19 for DeGale.
That looked like a KD to me.
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I like Enzo on commentary. Well, more than watching him ship heavy punches anway.
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Always liked him
Shame how his career turned after the Haye fight. No punch resistance whatsoever
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, just seems like a really nice guy. I really hope the rumours of him trying to make 175 pounds for a Cleverly match are not true.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Was thinking excatly the same
Not what you want to do when your chin is dodgy. Drop a weight div
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 4 – A well timed right hook by DeGale, who then gets caught by a solid shot from Ski. Classy uppercut from DeGale, he’s still fighting the wrong fight for me, he’s allowing Ski to fight at his own pace rather than imposing his own pace and style on him. Great right from Ski, clubbing shot and lands another for good measure. DeGale’s face is marking up and that wasn’t a good round for him. DeGale cut by the right eye. Ski’s round. 39-37 for DeGale.
Round 5 – Two great uppercuts from DeGale trouble Ski, he was more disorganized than hurt. A decent straight left from DeGale, who is getting the better of Ski this round. He still isn’t dominating like he should be though. Ski lands a monsterous right that has DeGale all over the place. DeGale hanging on for dear life, he’s badly shaken here. The bell saves him. That shot swung the round in Ski’s favour. 48-47 for DeGale but he’s not looking good
Ski’s toughness and punch don’t surprise me, but I really thought that DeGale would really outclass him.
Phil would rule it a slip anyway
Or a rabbit… Or a low blow…. anyone all of them, it wouldnt matter
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 6 – Ski should go for it early here, DeGale’s still hurt. Ski is standing off too much, allowing DeGale to find his legs. Another right from Ski lands, DeGale’s defence is poor; he looks like a fighter who has come into the ring thinking he was in for an easy night. It’s anything but, especially as Ski has just landed clean again, this time with a left hook. DeGale is standing in the pocket, he’s landing the odd crafty shot but Ski is the stronger inside. Ski for me to level it up at 57-57.
It sounds like he has some reassessing to do. Maybe it really was just the expectation of an easy night, although if that’s the problem, he should probably have known better.
I thought it would be a lot easier than this..
am doing some reassessing too!
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Round 8 – I don’t agree with the commentators about DeGale’s work-rate, I think he needs to step it up. Another big right by Ski, I think DeGale felt that. DeGale lands a couple of shots but Ski isn’t fazed. Two great left’s by DeGale and another one seconds after that has Ski in a bit of bother. Much better by DeGale, he picked it up a bit in that round. 10-9 to DeGale, 77-76 DeGale.
Degsy showing a lot of heart here.
As far as i remember he always had a pretty good chin in the ams too though.
Round 9 – This is a close fight, it could go either way. DeGale the busier early in the round, lands a nice hook to the body. Ski looks to be tiring, he’ll still be dangerous with the big right though. DeGale landing the cleaner, classier shots, Ski landing the heavier shots but very sporadically. DeGale’s round. 87-85 DeGale.
Unheard off really
Anyone else done it sooner?
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't think of any
But EBU has been around so long, I suspect someone has done it. IIRC, Haye won his title in about 15.
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On second thought
Willie Casey won his in about his 11th fight
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They are talking about matching Degale with Kessler. Steady one guys…
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on even
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no way he would take a Degale fight. I’m guessing he wants any one of Froch, Ward, Bute, Pavlik. I would love a Kessler v Pascal match at 175.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessler v Pascal would be great until round 6 when Pascal usually gets totally exhausted!
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
DG needs to work on his defence for sure and not just rely on his reflexes.
As someone (SS i think) said earlier, he has been fighting the wrong fight, on the inside, for much of this fight though. That’s partly why he’s been getting tagged a bit.
I think it was Dave
But he is stayingin the poket far too long. Needs more in and out movement
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
they should stop talking about a title shot
Kessler would eat him. DeGale looks like crap
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yeah it’s ridiculous to talk about Kessler.
Like i said, after only 12 fights this is a big enough step up for him and he might learn to curb his premature ambitions a bit after this.
Then again……..
thenagain...
Martinez at a catchweight in the new year…. :)
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 10 – This is a big round for Ski, he needs to get back into it after two good round from DeGale. Another good blow to the body by DeGale, there’s the right from Ski again, DeGale not learning – get your left hand up. DeGale backing off again in this round, it would be okay if he was catching Ski and moving away but he isn’t, he’s still getting caught himself. Again, DeGale with the classier shots but he isn’t stamping his authority on the fight, he still won the round. 97-94 DeGale.
Round 11 – I’ve got DeGale in an unassailable lead, unless Ski scores a knockdown. Much of the same – DeGale the classier but Ski still dangerous with the right which he lands yet again, DeGale not hurt as bad as he was earlier but he certainly felt it. Ski lands again – two hooks this time. Good round for Ski, he’s going for it. 106-104 DeGale.
He'l come out saying that after the shots he took
he’s the second coming of Jesus….. back from the dead
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
From how he looked against Smith to tonight…not the same fighter.
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
yeah
not a good performance – his potential ceiling doesn’t look that high anymore
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
It does
But not with McDonnel. he needs to make serious ajustments before moving up
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
like Buncey said
I was like the most who thought it would be an easy one. Smith was pretty experienced too. Maybe his confidence hasn’t recovered enough from Groves.
"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Degale for me
But he needs to look at himself in the mirror. He needs a new trainer
Lots of technical issues but he had enough raw talent to nick the result IMO
I maintain that the big right hand in the 4th (I think)
Would have crumpled a lot of fighters. George Groves included.
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 12 – Ski seems to have got his second wind; it’s DeGale who looks tired now. DeGale lands a nice left, it wasn’t as good as it seemed though, Ski wasn’t hurt. I’m surprised Ski isn’t going balls to the floor this round, DeGale is out-working him. Ski picking it up in the last minute and lands a left hook and the right again but they weren’t powerful shots. DeGale showing plenty of heart even if he’s been drawn into fighting the wrong fight against a boxer he should be dealing with much easier.
I’ve got it 116-113 for DeGale. Good fight.
I understand what Enzo was saying about this being a good fight back for DeGale after the Groves fight, and I also realize this is only his 12th fight, but I do think this should raise some red flags about his ability to compete against top 10-15 guys in the division.
his defense was a bit of a concern for me.
You would expect a gold medalist to cover up better than he does at times.
Someone like Kessler with those big shots straight down the channel would ask serious questions.
Its the way he covers up
he is always moving his hands. It’s good when you can see the punches coming but when you are in tight you need solid guard with both hands up high.
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t see a draw there, but at least no hometown decision that pisses me off!
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you want to see sth. really annoying? this one is really, really bad:
youtube.com/watch?v=J88L3y3K4sE
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Believe it – or not: Petkovic is in the IBF top 15 now.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
How? Well at least I know the identity of Tyson Fury’s next ‘world ranked’ opponent!
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Tyson Fury’d better not come to Germany to fight Petkovic.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
What happened? sorry for being ignorant
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Salif easily beating up Petkovic and then getting disqualified for a number of “low blows” that were waaaay above the beltline.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
il watch it when I have time but it sounds disgusting
Is Petkovic who Fury is fighting next then?
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure I saw the same promoter as the Williams Airich fight! Wow, just incredible.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
People knock Warren for giving his fighters easy fights Not so here, imo..
Either this was a case of Ski being a solid opponent, or DG not being as good as advertised.
I go more with the former, along with he fact that DG is inexperienced as a pro.
Ski is tough and can bang a bit, he’s very predictable though and DeGale should’ve done better. Good learning fight, he needs more of them.
And props to Warren too as well
Turned out to be a very good fight.
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the music
Yes I am very anti LFC today
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
From the looks of Bellew, he might just totally go for it and risk going out on his shield. Should be interesting for however long it goes.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody think Bellew can possibly make a good fight of this, or even have a chance to win?
I don’t really, i’m just asking.
Could Bellew be one of those who fights better the bigger the occasion?
I know the bookies have it a bit closer than i do.
Although if it does last long
it will be FotY material
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Two thoughts:
1. Bellew has upped his game considerably
2. They really don’t like each other.
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Round 1 – All the talking stops here. Clev rushes in immediately. Bellew pushing Clev back and gets warned for use of the head. Good left hook to the body by Clev, Bellew keeping his hands up. Good right by Clev, and again. Good opening round, Cleverly takes it but Bellew held his own. 10-9 Cleverly.
Already a better fight than I originally thought it would be. Credit to Bellew.
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Round 2 – Bellew trying to get his jab going. Bellew boxing well, very controlled – got caught there though. And then Bellew lands a big right and a left hook and Clev is forced to give ground. Clev holding his hands in the air telling people he wasn’t hurt – that’s usually a sign he was. Right hand by Bellew who is catching Cleverly in this round. Bellew’s round, he did very well there. 19-19.
He needs to up it does Clev
Im sure he will, but Bellow will get the rounds in Liverpool unless Cleverly asserts himself
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleverly is blowing a bit.
Either he’s trying to suss Bellew out and will come on later, or he just can’t suss him out.
Very surprising fight to me.
Not half! I’m surprised just how much bigger Bellew looks. He really looks a good 10 pounds heavier at least. Good jab and right to the body too.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so who picked 11.03pm in the “first mention of Cleverly’s maths degree” sweepstake?!?
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Round 4 – Cleverly needs to start putting his punches together in this round. The jab working well for Bellew, Clev struggling to get inside it. Bellew out-boxing Clev, very interesting, not many people predicted that. Bellew working well to the body and trying to tee-off on Clev, who does well to avoid the punches. Another round for Bellew, could a shock be on the cards here?
39-37 Bellew
Cleverly
just looks a bit “off” to me.
No disrespect to Bellew, he’s fighting a good fight but Clev’s energy levels seem lower than usual.
Gave it to Clev. Bellew starting to breath with his mouth wide open
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Round 5 – Bellew looking the stronger, going to the body well. Low blow from Clev, missed by the ref, Bellew responds in kind with a low-un of his own. Another ow blow from Clev has Bellew grimacing, a brief break in the action as Clev gets a warning and Bellew gets his breath back. Good right from Cleverly, Bellew lands a sneaky left in reply. It’s turning into a tough man contest in the last 30 secs. Drawn round for me. 49-47 Bellew
Cleve took that one. Ref doing a good job letting them fight
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Round 6 – Clev is going to have to be careful with low blows, I can see a point deduction coming. Good combo from Clev and a big left hook rocks Bellews head back, he took it well though. Cleverly having the better of this round, Bellew firing back in the last minute. Good right from Clev as the round nears it’s end. Cleverly round. 58-57 Bellew.
Round 7 – This has turned into a battle of attrition, who will last the pace the better?
Cleverly has really picked it up in the last couple of rounds, and he had to. Both trading, Clev lands a sweet uppercut and is starting to look the boss. Bellew swinging wildly with Cleverly against the ropes, he fails to connect. Bellew looking tired and takes another uppercut. A beautiful left hook to the body by Bellew to finish the round. Close round, I can’t separate them.
68-67 Bellew
Way way bigger underdog
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if you check the odds, he wasn’t .
They were both around 4-1, and no one gave either much chance.
Groves was because he wasin with a better opponent "susposedly"
Bellow because he didn’t deserve to be their “apparntly”
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
With the bookies they weren’t, believe me.
I check the odds regularly and Bellew was 3/4-1 for this fight, same as Groves was.
That’s why i said earlier that the bookies had it closer than i did.
I don't doubt you
Im just sayin why they were even. Different reasons :)
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Groves was about 5/2...
Bellew was about 5/1 when I last checked.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 15, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Groves was definitely 5/2.
A friend of mine wanted to have the bet with me, I refused, he had it with the bookie.
Thank God. For the sort of money he was betting, I would have really regretted taking the bet. But yeah, seriously, the general market was 1/3 DeGale: 5/2 Groves. It’s not a massive deal, but I am absolutely sure on this. Groves was no bigger than 3/1, and you could only get that price by turning bookie and laying DeGale.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 16, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
I checked the odds for Bellew only yesterday before the fight here:
http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/boxing-mma
so i am now putting my hands my ears and don’t want to argue about it anymore. :)
Me saying they were both 4-1 is closer to reality than your 5-1/ 5/2 arguments.
Maybe Groves was 3-1 or even 5-2 (though i never saw that) but Bellew was not 5-1 at anytime.
Yeah, I have him ahead by two. Though I think he is exhausted.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, sounds like Bellew has seriously turned up. I really, really didn’t expect this at all.
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Can’t believe it’s the same guy from his last fight
by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
From all of 16 last fights!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And Cleverly hasn't so to speak
He’s picking it up a little more
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Round 9 – This is a great fight and both fighters know it, and both will have a tremendous amount of respect for each other after this. A bit more boxing in this round, still very close, like pretty much every other round. This is a nightmare to score, I can see a split-decision happening. Another drawn round for me. 87-87 Even
I'm surprised Bellew is fighting this well this late
I think that was a Bellew round on the basis of those two big shots in the middle.
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Bellew is up for me. We are in rematch territory no matter what now. Warren must be loving it!
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Round 10 – The legendary Jimmy Tibbs firing Bellew up in the corner. Bellew responds to Tibbs’ words and comes out firing; he takes a right from Clev though before landing one of his own. An exchange of left hooks and then a big right from Bellew and another monster right, Clev showed a solid chin. Bellew’s round. 97-96 Bellew.
+1
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Clev round there
Bellew was mostly hitting gloves and shoulders, and Clev had some nice shots late, including a few good uppercuts on the inside.
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cleverly doesn't punch hard
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Clear Clev round to close it out
From what I’ve been reading, sounds like it will be a draw or narrow Clev win.
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Clev by two for me
But Im not worried about the result as long as one fighter isn’t screwed. The big winner is boxing here. What A FIGHT
Round 12 – This could be vital, whoever wins this round may well win the fight. Another good right from Bellew, Clev comes back with a left hook. Now Clev lands a big right, a couple of left hooks as well from Clev. Clev finishing strongly, he may be winning the fight in these last three minutes. More exchanges as the fight nears the end. Ref throwing out a cornerman with five seconds left – a bit pointless to say the least. Cleverly showed a champion’s heart in the last round to take it on my card. 116-115 Cleverly.
Outstanding fight. But I consider both to be weak champions
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Where did Dave Parris find 117-112, purely out of interest?
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
Dave Parris with another laughable card
Surprise surprise.
Wow. What a wonderful 12 rounds. That guy Parris should be arrested.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He's gotta find his way out of Liverpool first
I wouldnt wanna be him
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than Parris, not at all. And it was legitimately hard to score, but I thought 114-114 was about right.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yes it was a very hard fight to score
But I just can not find a 117 I don’t think
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Clev says he's looking for the Hopkins-Dawson winner
Either of them would eat him alive at this point. Hell, either one would probably have trouble with Chris Henry.
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Dave Oakes, that was a really wonerful RBR
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Bellow aplagising to his kids
He has no apolagising to do
He made me eat my words tonight big time. Good lad
Feel sorry for Bellew
he seems like a great fella.
Very classy ion the interview and he’s just elevated himself massively.
Cleverly’s coming across like such a wanker too, to be honest. “Obviously Tony’s fringe world class level” – how kind, eh?
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Cleverly seems a bit arrogant to be honest.
If he had real class he would give Tony an immediate rematch, imo.
Cleverly is weak champion. Or title holder that is
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Thats the worse I have seen Cleverly
And I do think he underestimated Bellow some.
He’l grow
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d just like to blow my own trumpet and mention that I did an article about hot prospects in Britain in 2009ish. I picked Bellew as one.
To be fair Brickhaus also had him highly totuted not long ago and me and Oli Gold gave him a biot of grief for it. :)
That’s why we all have our opinions.
Good job tonight, Dave.
Still think we were right though, Matt! Never could have predicted this…
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He really impressed - and surprised - me tonight.
And he seems like a really decent guy. He should be proud of himself.
+1
Yes, he excelled both as a boxer and as a man tonight.
Cleverly could learn something from him about the latter especially, imo.
I was just thinking of that
Devil man you are, stealing my thoughts….
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't have asked for a better start
They certainly have whet the appetite for when the subscription kicks in
by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Aye that was a good night of boxing overall
by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Apart from the rash of first round stoppages, it was great. Two compelling fights on one card is about as much as you can ask for.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Key’s did well to hold his dirty tongue at that point. He could have let rip with a lot of profanities about the Gay’s.
So this fight will be up on youtube right? And is cleverley’s brawl on magnificent 7 still up?
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Warren's fights usually are
I don’t know if his involvment with Boxnation has changed that
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