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BoxNation has a double-header on tap today, featuring a couple of twelve rounders and we'll be following along with all the action for you.

Up first will be a Super-Middleweight contest for European honours, between Piotr Wilczewski and James DeGale, followed by a light-heavyweight showdown between British rivals Nathan Cleverly and Tony Bellew.

Our own Dave Oakes has a full preview of the main-event:

The telecast starts at 6 PM UK Time (1 PM EST).

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DeGale by stoppage, round 6. I’d hate to be the ref in this one, because Wilczewski is very limited, but he seems like the kind of fighter who would like a dark alley and someone to keep the cops away, and he’ll keep going.

Cleverly by clear decision.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know Wilczewski

I guess it would go much like the Brook fight last weekend if Degale opens up

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen Wilczewski in a couple of fights, although I don’t know much about him. He seems to me like a pretty hard-headed, tough nut to crack, but not even close to DeGale’s level.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve only seen Wilczewski once and wasn’t that impressed. He does look like he’s tough though and can see him taking DeGale a few rounds.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he’ll stay in there for some rounds, although it’s hard for me to picture him winning any of them.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone watching? I don’t have a feed.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The show doesn’t start properly for another 30 mins.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

is that why I’m seeing soccer or something?

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Give it another 27 mins and the boxing should be on.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

For anyone in the UK who’s interested, here’s the updated BoxNation schedule:

http://www.boxnation.tv/schedule.php

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, quality throughout that card.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it’s at 2:00pm US eastern? instead of 1:00 pm?

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep. A late change by Boxnation.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thought. My understanding was that it was 1.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Under 10 mins to go.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I have to start sedating myself. I don’t know why I get so excited by this stuff.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m off to get some Vimto for the long night ahead. Just a glimpse into my rock and roll lifestyle.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got my usual. But I have to be careful, because I have to be at the University tomorrow (yes, Sunday) by 8:30 AM for a day-long Open House event for prospective students and their parents.

Maybe I should show up either hungover or still drunk.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll regret the “still drunk”-option at around lunchtime.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. Been there already hundreds of times.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, I am sure that your students love you!

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got very good evaluations when I was teaching. Now, as a Dean, I have to deal with parents as well, and for some reason, they seem less positive about chronic drunkenness.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is BoxNation

showing this for free online?

by Superman on Oct 15, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand that they do so in GB, but not outside of it. :(

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Me too.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Access Denied

Due to licensing restrictions we are unable to broadcast in your country.

But thanks anyway.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure there are other ways .

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you mind giving me some hint about this by winkelheim@web.de ?

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll let BoxAnne sort you out.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx!

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My profile has my e-mail—I might have a way.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that would be a break.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew

seems like he’s trying to convince himself he’s got a chance more than anything with all the angry talk.
Good hype for the fight though, if nothing else.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s signature for him, isn’t it?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all nonsense.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure it’s put on. I just think Bellew knows he’s gonna be outclassed so he’s trying to fire himself up and/or get Cleverley to stand and trade.
Whether they box or fight, Cleverly wins, imo.
From what they have both shown so far Cleverly is at least a couple of levels above TB, imo, and this fight shouldn’t really be happening at this stage in Clev’s career, certainly not for a WBO title, IMO.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleverly has, from what I’ve seen, a very impressive arsenal of skills.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

and Bellew doesn’t. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s going to look like such an outrageous mismatch tonight. There’s only going to be one guy in the ring who actually knows how to string his punches together.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew has been accused in the past of seriously overrating himself.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buncey on form already. Love him or hate him, you can’t fault him for passion.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see “Buncey’s Boxing Hour” back on a monday night.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I don’t know a single fan that doesn’t love it. Great show.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved his mini-rant about how boxing isn’t funded by a 3rd world country – whatever that means!

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'll sadly be missing the entire card - cursing my lack of a TV license at university - but I'll be checking in here throughout the night to see what's going down!

Cleverly by a ridiculous shellacking of Bellew; DeGale by boring blowout.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Hang here. I get everything I pretend to know about boxing by following everyone here.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha,+1

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true. I’m currently pretending to know something about the dual temporalities in Shakespeare’s history plays, so I’ll pretend to know something about boxing later!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an Englishman, I can honestly say that Shakespeare is massively overrated. Give me Steinbeck or Dickens any day.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The plays have almost uniformly crappy endings, because they had to end somewhere. But, my English friend, the language is stunning. In my humble, colonist’s opinion.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Pretty much every Shakespeare ending – in all its ambiguity and open-endedness – is testament to the idea that Shakespeare hated endings. Instead, he decided to leave us still debating quite what he meant 400 years on, with no sign of any agreement on the horizon…!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shakespeare? Overrated? I think my supervisor would have a fit if she heard those two words together!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, this sounds interesting. We’ll have to have a chat about Shakespeare sometime.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m no expert. In fact, I disliked the three I’ve read so much that I’ve never bothered reading any more.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can and should take repeated readings. But they really do reward intimacy.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As you’re clearly a well-read bloke, what are your fave books?

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve just paralyzed me. I have to think, and it’s going to hurt.

I’ll get back to you.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

E.R. Dodds’ “The Greeks and the Irrational,” for one. Also Spinoza’s “Ethics.” Winchester’s “The Professor and the Madman.”

More will be coming.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely! Sounds good to me – drop me an email some time so we don’t clog up a BLH feed…

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enzo Maccarenelli thinks Cleverly v Bellew is a 50 / 50 fight – I think he’s taken too many blows to the head!

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

quite possibly...

on the blows to the head, not it being a 50-50 fight!

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

i think you’re right.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some things just defy explanation.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Enzo’s sold-out and producing Frank Warrenisms…

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

estimated time of DeGale fight?

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Hard to say for me cos the bill is slated until 12am. Dave might know.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah ages

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buncey

says he’d put Bellew in with Dawson.
Richie Woodhall tries not to laugh.
Even Richard Keys had a little giggle to himself i reckon.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That's Bunce for ya

He love his fellow Brit fighters.
That was ridiculous even by his standards though.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greatest Bunce moment just about ever for me was when he turned to Ola Afolabi and said something like “I know you beat Enzo, but I think even you’d admit he wasn’t the real Enzo that night and things would have been different otherwise.” Cue incredible awkwardness.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, awkardness doesn’t seem to bother our Steve.
He was talking about “kissing and cuddling” Richie Woodhall in the studio during the World amateurs coverage.
Richie didn’t look too keen.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed my cock off at that. Some of the looks Richie gives him are quality.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

First live fight of the night. Paul Butler v David Kanalas

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Would love it if that round had finished – you don’t get many 10-4 rounds!

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

First I’ve seen of Butler, but he looked good. It’s a pretty open division for him domestically

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

He’s still two years away from taking on the top domestic fighters.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he looks pretty raw, but it would be great in the future to see a British fighter under 9 stone make some waves internationally.

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Kanalas down after 40 seconds, Butler teeing off on him. Down again from a left hook to the body 40 seconds later. This won’t go past the first. Another knockdown, Kanalas can’t take the body shots. And down again from yet another body blow and the fight is waved off.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow.

It’s a good thing I don’t know anything about either fighter; otherwise, I’d have an opinion.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that was quick.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep an eye out for Butler. Very good prospect.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ring card girls on Warren shows are always complete munters.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

“munters!” lovin’ it, assuming it means “dogs” in US English.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, munters, dogs, pig-scarer’s. Take your pick.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Pig-scarers.” This is really just a gut-buster.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im from over here

But have never heard Pig scarer!! Brilliant lol

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s one of my own.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instant classic.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use it as much as possible. It caught on around my area a few years back but has yet to go south.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Classic!!
There’s a few of them round here!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Joe Saunders should be on next against Norbert Szekeres. He should get the job done inside two or three rounds.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m glad he’s on. i thought they’d pulled him cos he wasn’t mentioned in Boxing News and he’s on the Burns v Katsidis bill too eh?

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeping him busy. George Groves v Paul Smith is on the undercard as well. I fancy Smith in that.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised you’d say that.
Groves all day for me. I really don’t rate Smith all that highly, plus he’s really a middleweight.
He fight with “love handles”.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I think Groves will make mincemeat of Smith, to be honest.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t rate Groves that highly.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think for BJ Saunders?
European level at best or what?

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t have anywhere near the pop to go any further, I reckon.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked heavy handed just now.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not half

And he has stopped a few of his opponents

Would like to see him step up his opponent level within the next 6 months because the geezers he has been boxing have been quite poor IMO

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t look near big enough for a middleweight to me though.
But maybe that’s just cos he’s young and he fights out of a bit of a crouch.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's quite thick set and

he looks like he gets real leverage on his shots. Always liked him. Very crowd pleasing style

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, deffo one to watch.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy is still a really young guy with a great camp around him.
Lots of room for him to grow

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure. He looks pretty heavy-handed against the scrubs he’s fighting now, but at the same time I remember him struggling to dent guys like Alex Spitko. I’m not convinced at all.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure you’re right – from what I remember, he’s had a lot of hand trouble since turning pro.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's still really young too

He was 17 at the olympics was he not? makes him 21 max. The lad is still maturing physically

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not convinced yet either Oli.
Far from it, to be honest, considering his level of opposition mainly, but also i just don’t think he has that great a style.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the ‘08 class, he always stood out as the least likely to really make an impact in the pro game, excluding Tony Jeffries, as far as I’m concerned. We’ll see, eh!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Potential world champ. I really like him, very smooth, natural fighter, tough lad, very dedicated, can bang a bit, good body puncher and down to earth. And a southpaw to boot.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith

Really can’t see that one. It will be close than the Degale fight, but also shorter IMO. Groves KO by the 7th

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a big call, but I’m leaning that way too. Be a real test to see if Groves is legit or if he just raised his game for Degale

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I’m a bit surprised as well by this.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

“King Sleaze” Richard Keys.
I wouldn’t trust the guy as far as i could throw him.
Admittedly he stays quite reserved on here but when i occasionally listen to TalkSport (and after what happend with him and the raucous Andy Gray at Sky) he comes across as a right smarmy tw*t.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Was not a popular fella at Sky.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawksbee and Jacobs… They’re usually a good laff Matt!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah i sometimes listen to them but mainly just to Alan Brazil on a morning.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember Mike Dickin, by any chance?

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t say i do. I found that guy Mike “Porky” Parry really funny though.
It’s a shame they got rid of him/he left, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was great. I haven’t listened to Talk Sport for a long time, but I’m sad to hear Porky’s no longer on the air!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who, Dickin or Parry?

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Porky Parry!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he was opinionated, but well informed.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

fat gary sports rofl

by properdave on Oct 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Saunders controlling it behind a fast jab, looking comfortable. Norbert not doing much, just trying to stay out of the way. Big right hook floors Norbert with 50 seconds to go in the round. Saunders spanking him, and he’s down again. Fight waved off.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Looked like a rerun with a costume change.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, two walkovers to start the bill.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expect more blow-outs before the night is through.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Which of the others have you got for blowouts?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both the top of the bill fights. Possibly.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that you asked me, but i think it could well be the case.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it. I’m not sure about that, though.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, I thought of a few books, and posted them under your original question. More to come.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers. I’ve not heard of any of them!

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Simon Winchester book is enthralling, a great read.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll check it out.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

His writing is beautiful. And the story is really remarkable.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m currently reading a book of short stories by Nikolai Gogol. Very good writer.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heffron v Pace (1 or 2 rounds) and Fielding v Tolan (4 one-sided rounds at most)

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you sure those are definitely being shown. Thought they would put them out before Saunders if they were going to show them.

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They might not be shown.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was expecting them to show Smyle/Webb, but that’s already been on

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

just got to watching the event. how many more fights until Cleverly-Bellew?

by meyer1244 on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Not another blow out!!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

/ degale – Wilczewski

by meyer1244 on Oct 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Spoke too soon. A peach of a hook under the ribs finishes Healy midway through the first.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

seemed to me he hit Healy after he went down.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they just showed the replay. He deffo went down from the shot.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh right, I’m with you now.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a touch slow there.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

His knees did not touch the ground.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t tell.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It good quite clear in the replay. Healy was kind of sitting on the ropes. Definitely not on the floor.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are pretty non-competitive undercard fights, even by Frank Warren standards.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, he was here earlier, asked about the DeGale fight. He might appear again when it starts.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, back!

watching Rocky Fielding now

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Bellew is a right muppet. :)
Clev is far classier.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

The Clevs can be muppets too, to be fair. Vince Cleverly made a right tit of himself at one of the press conferences for this fight.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t see that Oli. Bellew’s ok, but he sounds like a big dope. He can bang though, Clev has to keep his cool IMO.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that Cleverly can take a few of Bellew’s shots, though. But you’re right about beng careful.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't want to take too many, But I doubt he'l let him

It depends on how well Bellow takes Nathen’s shots as to how long it will go

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I expect Cleverly to throw an awful lot of good stuff, and different, stuff.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something I really like about Cleverly is he throws Variety

Straight shot’s wider shot head body. Really entertaining stuff

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He knows he'l be a lucky man to fight for a world title again

Cash in now and try and get as much hype around the fight as possible

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of it is for the cameras. He’s actually a nice, intelligent bloke out of the ring.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Afternoon folks

Are the two main fights coming up now?

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

No DeGale fight in 55mins, Clev v Bell after.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cripes

It’s like the Platonic ideal of the opposite of an American boxing card. Instead of one fight, you get eighty.

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far, that might be generous.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 82nd fight will be in the taxi stand.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

About an hour or so yet to the DeGale fight i’m reliably informed.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers Matt/Dave. Gives me time to boogie on down to the Spar for some stellas!! :)

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m on my second pint of Vimto.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with vimto, Dave.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s fizzy heaven in a bottle.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on how many Stellas, maybe two or more. But that would rival Scott’s 3-day bachelor party.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! Wouldn’t surprise me!!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Quinn, Bellew’s trainer.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he goes out on the early morning 5 mile runs with Tony?
More likely motivates him while driving his car alongside, eating a full breakfast in a flatcake.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does the runs in the morning – 16 pints of bitter the night before has that effect.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Not to mention the chicken vindaloo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do admire Bellew’s optimism and self-belief. I am pretty sure that if matched against Vitali Klitschko, Bellew would be utterly convinced that he would win within 3 rounds.

I’m guessing an interesting few rounds, followed by the classic ‘way too early British referee stoppage’, in favour of Cleverly. This allows Bellew to claim that he was robbed.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

This allows Bellew to claim that he was robbed.

That would be ironic…. Il let you imagine the reason why….

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha bet buncey is off to check his car inbetween fights

by properdave on Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liverpool is the fight capital of England according to Buncey. I think Manchester would beg to differ.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Heffron v Pace on next. I like Heffron, good prospect.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw little brother Mark fight here before. Looked like a decent operator

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a bad round

Both fighters aren’t half bad. Not much jabbing, but they keep their hands high, through reasonably straight/short shots, throw in combination, work the body.

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

By far the best round of boxing until now tonight.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Heffron coming forward, a bit reckless and Pace is having the odd success. Heffron’s round but Pace doing okay in there. And there we have it Lady and Gentlemen, we’re past the first round.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like an actual fight has broken out.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Quite a decent giving and taking here.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pace looks better than his record suggests, and when he goes 0-3, he will look even better. Nice trunks too.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s a damn sight better than his record.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pace has his head rocked back but fires back with his own shots, good effort by the lad. Heffron loading up too much, needs to get the jab going. Pace looking for the uppercut, a good shot against Heffron, who’s not exactly hard to hit. Heffron’s round but close.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Not too shabby fight we got going on here.

by glatin1982 on Oct 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow.. a second round.. I thought they were all doing one round blow outs cos somebody robbed the bell.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

A good fight, both lads standing their ground and trading blows. Heffron still getting the better of it and lands a nice straight left. Heffron’s round.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Pace is only 18. Cripes.

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Morning people. DeGale or Cleverly fight yet?

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

1/2 hour approx. DeGale first.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good. Thanks. Looks like I left the hotel and came home just in time

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. We’re counting down the (what seems like) hours.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not yet, next hour or so.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a series of half-round blowouts.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heffron is supposed to fight for the Central Area title in two weeks. If this keeps up as a dogfight, I’m not sure he’s gonna be ready.

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a good point. Four hard rounds so far.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 4 – Big right a minute in from Heffron, Pace took it well. This is better from Heffron, using his skills a bit more now, not rushing his work as well. And then he reverts back to loading up too much in the last minute, although lands a lovely body shot. Heffron’s round. I’ve got it 40-36 for Heffron

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

39-37 for me

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heffron looks like he gets impatient fighting from the outside.

by glatin1982 on Oct 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

plus the body-shots

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good. Enough of a fight for an actual RBR.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Either Heffron has no power, or this kid Pace has a chin (and body) like a goddamn brick wall.

by Verklemptomaniac on Oct 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

A bit of both. Heffron’s not a big puncher but Pace has a solid chin.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 5 – More of the same, Heffron lands a big right uppercut to the body, Pace took it and came back again. How has Pace got a 0-2 record? He doesn’t look a world beater by any means but he’s a tough lad who can take a shot and he’s got a decent work-rate. A good uppercut by Heffron to end the round. Another round for Heffron.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Heffron

getting his head snapped back at times, especially by the jab from Pace.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Always firing back whenever he got tagged.
Made for a pretty good fight.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Whenevr The heff landed something that I thought would make him back down, he returned with interest. Great will power

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Heffron’s feeling the Pace”.
That was pretty good, though corny, from Rawling.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

For anyone who, like me, can’t stay awake til 2am, the Hopkins/Dawson fight is being rerun at 6pm tomorrow on BoxNation.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

58-56 Heffron on my card. pretty good fight.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

your card is more fair than the refs, imo.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 6 – Final round and Heffron comes out quickly, clearly wanting to get Pace out of there – I can’t see it happening, Pace has taken everything Heffron has thrown at him. Pace coming on strong midway through the round, not landing much cleanly but had Heffron going backwards for a short period. Heffron regains control but I’m liking Pace’s attitude.

The bell goes and Heffron’s hand is raised. That was a very good learning fight for Heffron. Pace deserves to be matched against easier opponents, he could turn out to be a decent boxer, he’s only a young lad.

The ref scores it 60-54, which was the same way I scored it. A touch harsh on Pace

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Bunce

talking about good looking boxers – again.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

He does go on, for sure.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s becoming a catchphrase.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who he call handsome now?

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He thinks Pace is a bit of alright.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really good RBR, Dave.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree what Buncey was saying about Pace. Warren could do a lot worse than sign him. Build him up a bit and he’ll get a good following in Wales, who are desperate for up-and-coming boxers.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This will probably be good action

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

degale hasn’t started yet?

http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com

by Chris Sarda on Oct 15, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The Rocky from Stocky

Really couldn’t see him coming out to Eye of the tiger… (Rolls eyes)

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I must say i can’t complain about waiting for the main events.
I think this is part of the bonus of having a channel dedicated to boxing, being able to watch the full card.
With all things considered, the production, the schedule quality and the studio pudits,etc, i think BoxNation is great for the sport.
Off to a good start at least.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Fielding V Tolan Round 1: Fielding keeping it at range and using his height and reach advantages to good effect. There’s a bit of blood about, can’t tell where from, Fielding left eye by the looks of it, by the side of it. Quietish round but Fielding was controlling it for me. The replay suggests the cut was caused by a punch.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I read this week that Frankie Gavin is determined to stick at welterweight and is looking towards a fight with British champ Lee Purdy.
I know he’s listed as 5’10" and he can likely compete at 147 domestically, but he looks a bit out of shape to me at that weight and i really think he will be lacking the strength, power and possibly punch resistance at that weight when/if he gets to world class level.
Kell Brook, for example would always be too much for Gavin, imo.
He’s a 140 fighter, at least until he matures more, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Gavin obviously didn’t take note of Barry McGuigan then!

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, i thought he had too, the way he was talking after his last fight.
Either he’s not that bright or he’s just undisciplined, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's small for 140

And he needs to move down IMO. His punches lack meat at 147.

Such a shame because I love his style. He really needs to dedicate himself

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he looks to be carrying excess to me and should probably be a lightweight, but he is quoted in Boxing News this week as saying “i’ll target Lee Purdy” and “i’ve got the skills to beat all of them (at 147)”.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a big mistake. Could be ruining his whole career.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were definatley not the only ones to think that

Maybe once he loses at WW he might start to take it serously. maybe not. Prehaps it is the biggest waste of talent Britain has seen in generations

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fear he could be another Errol Christie

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the problem with Christie was that he had no chin whatsoever, rather than personal issues that stopped him from being at his best. I may be wrong though.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a combination of the two, I think. Top class amateur, all the abiility in the world, did nothing as a pro.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just know for getting KO’d heavily several times. Wasn’t he trained at Kronk for a while too? The sadder thing is that Gavin doesn’t even seem to have a bad chin. He has everything, except the desire to really apply himself it seems.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to get behind Gavin I really do

But can I. Guys would kill to have that kind of skill and talent. He’s taking it for granted and it will bite him in the ass

Shame

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yepp. You’d think that struggling to a decision over an ex-professional footballer would convince him that natural skill will only get you so far by itself!

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally. He is not a welterweight. He is moving up in weight because he isn’t dedicated enough to hit 140. He is in’t even hitting the gym to make up for the fact that he is a small welterweight. Looks destined to be a domestic level fighter if that is the case.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

and you guys were lucky! lol

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut uuup :)

Don’t breather on Charlie Adam, he might fly to France

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I’m just relieved we never lost…and you wish you had a central midfielder like Charlie Adam

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A fellow Liverpool fan?

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah!

I didn’t know you were too :)

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Thought we were very unlucky today. It’s going to be a long process but at least we’re going in the right direction. We need to get in the top 4 this season to help the process.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

we Have to be in top 4

I think we will be, we’re better than Arsenal and Spurs are mentally fragile…its the minimum for us

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll finish 4th as well.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Spurs are looking V good atm. Adeybayor is a fantastic signing

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be between us and Spurs. They always fade as the season progresses.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

TBH I do like Charlie

Very good player. Great passing ability. Shit balance though….

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

shush...

did the job ok :)

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly did

Don’t know what Giggsy was thinking. Had his poorest game in a very long while.

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably thinking about his brother’s wife!

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's moved on

To him she is a pig scarer now…..

Shit… once I pop I just can’t stop

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

easy comedy!!!

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. What a lowlife. Cheating with his bro’s wife.
And all the while trying to put across his whiter than white image.
This is why i hate football. It’s not the game itself, it’s half of the schmucks who play it.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you see the rugby Matt?

I know its union…but all of Wales must be sick

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to feel sorry for Wales

But if the shoe was on the other foot…. They would be loving it….. Still a straight choice between France and Wales… I was rooting for the Welsh

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had bet on Wales at 14-1 the other week, Bri. Just a fiver because i knew they were up against it if they did get to the final, so yes i was a bit sick.
That ref was a disgrace and i felt for the Welsh fans and especially the team.
They might as well ban tackling if they are gonna send players off for that.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And tbh Rio said he nicked him slightly

So by the absoloute letter of the law the ref was correct, as way Adam. But I hate the rules. It encoureges “diving”

Fifa needs to change the law I believe…. oh whats that, Sepp Blatter’s still in charge… nver going to happen

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 2 – The ref has a word with both lads about heads clashing. I’m not too sure what either of them can do about it, it’s just that their styles aren’t meshing well. Very scrappy action, not much landing clean, plenty of shots missing by a mile. Not good. Tolan marauds forward with 30 secs to go, doesn’t do anything and they share a loving embrace by the ropes. Another replay shows the cut was caused by a head clash.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh wow, you guys have a whole channel now devoted to boxing? I’m very jealous now.

http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com

by Chris Sarda on Oct 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 3 – This is complete and utter filth.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

ah

its entertaining enough…not one for the purists, no…

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rocky winning but this isn’t great.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Fielding needs more variety. Without the one two he has an awful lot of nothing

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s very basic. 1-2, 1-2, grab, 1-2, 1-2. Throw a hook or an uppercut for Christ sake.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He fights how Wlad would if he’d suffered a stroke. A touch harsh?

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

made me laugh

I do like Rocky though….it might have been scrappy, but hey

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

gee....

I just clocked the ring girl… :))

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re there are you Tiger..!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

unfortunately not fella, but I normally multi task in between rounds and I just saw her for the first time!! :) Are you?

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m watching at home, though we’re only 10 minutes or so from the Echo Arena.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I just remembered you're local to there

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

well of course you are actually...

it being our way….just happy for once to be able to watch something live :)

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 4 – Same as.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Rawling apologises for the language….. as he trips over his tongue looking at the pig scarer!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Still gets me

It will be in a dictionary this time next year

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

listen to him...

on a roll!

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so long as he doesn’t say that he’s ben dreaming about pig scarers since he was 9 years old.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec that

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now THAT’S unfair to munters, pig scrarers, mingers everywhere. Even they have standards, low standards, but standards non the less!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

shame on you.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops! Thought you’d left the room BA.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t worry about me I get a kick out of the shenanigans.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

was remembering her response to Simon whatshisface

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simon facejobthesedays, you mean?

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

him, yup.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

should have put :)

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh ok :)

I was feeling a bit chastised at finding it funny :)

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, now we feel like naughty boys. :)

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bunch of knuckle-draggers.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen any recent pictures of Madonna?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shit. Where did all that come from?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is she still speaking in a cockney accent? Strange lass.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And. more importantly, why?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

She’s just fundamentally physically unattractive, and has never stopped killing herself to get out of it.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And speaking of which, how about Britney Spears? Also dysphoric, I imagine.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dislike them apologizing for swearing. It’s half nine and it’s boxing, it’s fair to say not many viewers will be offended. There aren’t going to be many people watching blokes smash each others faces in who are going to go “golly gosh, that fellow just said fuck”.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

this ain’t the Bible channel, is it.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think Richard Keys needs the controversy though!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true....

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m waiting for him to have a breakdown on telly, he’ll just be there shouting tits and arse at the camera. A bit like Father Jack off Father Ted.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure Keys would take it on the chin.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liam Walsh and Paul Appleby were f-ing and blinding it in the after fight interview the other week.
Walsh did it, then looked embarrassed for slipping up on live tv. Then Appleby goes and does it straight after him!

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do I hate DeGale’s voice?

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

you just don't like him, period :)

hopefully he’ll have toned down his entrance a bit now…

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeGale coming into the ring now.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure who i dislike more, DeGale or Groves. They are both arrogant tw*ts but at least DeGale is up front with his arrogance.
Groves just seems smarmy and conceited to me, but is pretty quiet about it.
DeGale is definitley more annoying though.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I prefer Degale

I think you nailed it… Degale is honest about his cockyness. I prefer that

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be calling Wilczewski just ski during rbr, it’s easier.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

good plan.

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll all be calling you Dave ‘Jokes’ after tonight mate :)

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the heads-up. Otherwise, I’m sloshed enough to get confused about what sport I’m following.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect that this will amount to seeing how much of a brick wall Wilczewski proves to be while DeGale fights the hell out of him.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Quiet-ish round that one.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice counter jab by Ski early. DeGale is a lot quicker of hand and foot than Ski, although he’s struggling to find his range in the opener. DeGale switching to orthodox, a move that doesn’t suit him that well in my opinion. Not much to separate them in the first round, both having a look at each other but not doing a great deal. Even round for me. 10-10

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Rawling obviously talking about Hatton when he just said ‘Ski’ doesn’t allow his weight to balloon between rounds.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope DeGale doesn’t wax him. Otherwise, we’ll never hear the end of it.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good right from Ski doesn’t land clean, DeGale lands a left hook to the body, he’s boxing off the back foot, which I don’t think is the greatest move against Ski, he needs to discourage the strong Pole, who is limited but can be a handful if he’s allowed to come forward. DeGale picking it up a bit, he gets a warning for spinning Ski and clipping him around the ear. Great uppercut by DeGale registers, you can tell Ski felt that. DeGale’s round. 20-19 for DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

That looked like a KD to me.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

my screen is teeny, can’t be sure. Looked it to me but I don’t think I get the picture all the way to the edges.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Enzo on commentary. Well, more than watching him ship heavy punches anway.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Always liked him

Shame how his career turned after the Haye fight. No punch resistance whatsoever

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just seems like a really nice guy. I really hope the rumours of him trying to make 175 pounds for a Cleverly match are not true.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was thinking excatly the same

Not what you want to do when your chin is dodgy. Drop a weight div

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Enzo, speaks sense most of the time.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 3 – DeGale failing to build on the uppercut that hurt Ski in the second. Ski gone into his shell a bit here, both land left hooks, DeGale’s was the better. DeGale not busy enough for my liking, he his doing enough to win the round. 30-27 for DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

JIm Deg’s best punch is the uppercut tonight.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Corner of the eye. Nothing too serious, seemingly.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry didnt check my emai till now, go check yours i time for main event anyway.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ski certainly looks tough if nothing else, as some mentioned earlier.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not having this all his own way certainly

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 4 – A well timed right hook by DeGale, who then gets caught by a solid shot from Ski. Classy uppercut from DeGale, he’s still fighting the wrong fight for me, he’s allowing Ski to fight at his own pace rather than imposing his own pace and style on him. Great right from Ski, clubbing shot and lands another for good measure. DeGale’s face is marking up and that wasn’t a good round for him. DeGale cut by the right eye. Ski’s round. 39-37 for DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely a step up for DeGale.
He’s getting caught here more than he did in the Groves fight.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

DeGale

in pretty big trouble here.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

This does not sound like the fight, or the DeGale, I expected.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Ski can punch.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That ref saved Fatty, chunky or whoever just then.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

just got yours, check your email, you’ll still catch Bellew-Cleverly at least.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stayed on his feet but he was close to out on them.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

You could see that punch travel through his entire body.

by glatin1982 on Oct 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 5 – Two great uppercuts from DeGale trouble Ski, he was more disorganized than hurt. A decent straight left from DeGale, who is getting the better of Ski this round. He still isn’t dominating like he should be though. Ski lands a monsterous right that has DeGale all over the place. DeGale hanging on for dear life, he’s badly shaken here. The bell saves him. That shot swung the round in Ski’s favour. 48-47 for DeGale but he’s not looking good

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

This is turning into an exciting fight by now.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t like how DeGale is shipping some of these shots.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Ski’s toughness and punch don’t surprise me, but I really thought that DeGale would really outclass him.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Sky’s definitely one tough guy, DeGale needs to utilize his strengths fast if he doesnt want to go down here.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far I have Ski in a slight lead 160 to 48

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

At 160 to 48, I would think so.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil would rule it a slip anyway

Or a rabbit… Or a low blow…. anyone all of them, it wouldnt matter

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like wiping out on the downhill slalom. What sport are we watching, what with the Skis and all?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 6 – Ski should go for it early here, DeGale’s still hurt. Ski is standing off too much, allowing DeGale to find his legs. Another right from Ski lands, DeGale’s defence is poor; he looks like a fighter who has come into the ring thinking he was in for an easy night. It’s anything but, especially as Ski has just landed clean again, this time with a left hook. DeGale is standing in the pocket, he’s landing the odd crafty shot but Ski is the stronger inside. Ski for me to level it up at 57-57.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I admire Degale’s heart here, but he doesn’t look physically strong at the weight. Still think he can gut it out on the cards.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

For me, this has turned into a nail-biter.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a fair point that the commentators are making.
DeGale has had only 12 fights, Ski has had 30.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 7 – DeGale fighting the wrong fight, he should be coming forward, hitting Ski with combos and sliding away to the side. He’s either standing too close or backing off too much, very poor tactically. Not much between them in that round, both landing hooks. Even round for me. 67-67.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

DeGale

could well get stopped here, imo.
He’s shipping some big shots.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s like watching Grooves v Anderson lol

by properdave on Oct 15, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a pretty good fight.
Both landing well. DeGale getting the better of it in this rd.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

All jokes aside, it’s good to see Deg have to rough it out for a change and show some balls.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It sounds like he has some reassessing to do. Maybe it really was just the expectation of an easy night, although if that’s the problem, he should probably have known better.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it would be a lot easier than this..

am doing some reassessing too!

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. First Groves, but he gave a stellar performance, and DeGale still looked very promising. Now this. I don’t know.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 8 – I don’t agree with the commentators about DeGale’s work-rate, I think he needs to step it up. Another big right by Ski, I think DeGale felt that. DeGale lands a couple of shots but Ski isn’t fazed. Two great left’s by DeGale and another one seconds after that has Ski in a bit of bother. Much better by DeGale, he picked it up a bit in that round. 10-9 to DeGale, 77-76 DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s a lack of atmosphere in the arena I feel

Another rnd for James

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Degsy showing a lot of heart here.
As far as i remember he always had a pretty good chin in the ams too though.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 9 – This is a close fight, it could go either way. DeGale the busier early in the round, lands a nice hook to the body. Ski looks to be tiring, he’ll still be dangerous with the big right though. DeGale landing the cleaner, classier shots, Ski landing the heavier shots but very sporadically. DeGale’s round. 87-85 DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW

Fighting for the European title after only 12 fights is pretty impressive in itself.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't think of any

But EBU has been around so long, I suspect someone has done it. IIRC, Haye won his title in about 15.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

On second thought

Willie Casey won his in about his 11th fight

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naseem Hamed won it in his 12th fight as well. That’s all I’ve got.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are talking about matching Degale with Kessler. Steady one guys…

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

on even

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Kessler after Bute/Super Six winner providing he gets through Stieglitz?

by gravydeath on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no way he would take a Degale fight. I’m guessing he wants any one of Froch, Ward, Bute, Pavlik. I would love a Kessler v Pascal match at 175.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Froch v Kessler

or Froch v Pascal, maybe?
Kessler hasn’t fought Pascal yet.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kessler v Pascal would be great until round 6 when Pascal usually gets totally exhausted!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, i read that wrong. I thought you said rematch. Never mind. I’ll blame the beer. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

DG needs to work on his defence for sure and not just rely on his reflexes.
As someone (SS i think) said earlier, he has been fighting the wrong fight, on the inside, for much of this fight though. That’s partly why he’s been getting tagged a bit.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

agree

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Dave

But he is stayingin the poket far too long. Needs more in and out movement

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should stop talking about a title shot

Kessler would eat him. DeGale looks like crap

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah it’s ridiculous to talk about Kessler.
Like i said, after only 12 fights this is a big enough step up for him and he might learn to curb his premature ambitions a bit after this.
Then again……..

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

thenagain...

Martinez at a catchweight in the new year…. :)

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember kessler v froch? DeGale is good, but he’s not ready for that yet.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what i said.
The “then again” part referred to DeGale’s ego and his opinion of himself.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 10 – This is a big round for Ski, he needs to get back into it after two good round from DeGale. Another good blow to the body by DeGale, there’s the right from Ski again, DeGale not learning – get your left hand up. DeGale backing off again in this round, it would be okay if he was catching Ski and moving away but he isn’t, he’s still getting caught himself. Again, DeGale with the classier shots but he isn’t stamping his authority on the fight, he still won the round. 97-94 DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Kessler would hurt him.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

its way to early for a world title fight for degale

by davec84 on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it’s just the size of DeGale’s head.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, that’s for DRck below.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That looks like a tiny ring.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

DeGale looks dead tired

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Gritty 11th round by the Pole. Didn’t think he had it in him after the previous two rounds.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

DeGale looks like he’s really being beaten up.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice. They’re giving it their all.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 11 – I’ve got DeGale in an unassailable lead, unless Ski scores a knockdown. Much of the same – DeGale the classier but Ski still dangerous with the right which he lands yet again, DeGale not hurt as bad as he was earlier but he certainly felt it. Ski lands again – two hooks this time. Good round for Ski, he’s going for it. 106-104 DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Good shot from DeGale.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They’re both really tired, but Ski looks a little fresher, or maybe less wrung out.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever the outcome, I just hope chunk is a little more humble.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

He'l come out saying that after the shots he took

he’s the second coming of Jesus….. back from the dead

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

From how he looked against Smith to tonight…not the same fighter.

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by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

not a good performance – his potential ceiling doesn’t look that high anymore

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by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does

But not with McDonnel. he needs to make serious ajustments before moving up

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Ski was a solid operator and a better, more experienced fighter than Smith.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

like Buncey said

I was like the most who thought it would be an easy one. Smith was pretty experienced too. Maybe his confidence hasn’t recovered enough from Groves.

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by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith was pretty experienced too

He hadn’t got past British title level though.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

true...

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a bad fight at all

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Degale for me

But he needs to look at himself in the mirror. He needs a new trainer

Lots of technical issues but he had enough raw talent to nick the result IMO

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. He deserves credit for the balls he showed. Also showed he’s got a decent chin.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.. (grudgingly)

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 12 – Ski seems to have got his second wind; it’s DeGale who looks tired now. DeGale lands a nice left, it wasn’t as good as it seemed though, Ski wasn’t hurt. I’m surprised Ski isn’t going balls to the floor this round, DeGale is out-working him. Ski picking it up in the last minute and lands a left hook and the right again but they weren’t powerful shots. DeGale showing plenty of heart even if he’s been drawn into fighting the wrong fight against a boxer he should be dealing with much easier.

I’ve got it 116-113 for DeGale. Good fight.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand what Enzo was saying about this being a good fight back for DeGale after the Groves fight, and I also realize this is only his 12th fight, but I do think this should raise some red flags about his ability to compete against top 10-15 guys in the division.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

his defense was a bit of a concern for me.

You would expect a gold medalist to cover up better than he does at times.

Someone like Kessler with those big shots straight down the channel would ask serious questions.

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the way he covers up

he is always moving his hands. It’s good when you can see the punches coming but when you are in tight you need solid guard with both hands up high.

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was a much better fight than the commentary seemed to be suggesting.

It’s great the way they try undermine their own product.

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting how close the cards were. 114-114, 115-113, 115-113 to DeGale.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Judges: 114-114, 115-113 × 2 to DeGale.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

credit to DeGale for getting through it

by properdave on Oct 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t really have a problem with those scores

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

though they were fare to

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, they were adequate imo too

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t see a draw there, but at least no hometown decision that pisses me off!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

you want to see sth. really annoying? this one is really, really bad:

youtube.com/watch?v=J88L3y3K4sE

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by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buncey wouldn’t find those lads sexy.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it – or not: Petkovic is in the IBF top 15 now.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It says a lot about the heavyweight division.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is abysmal.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How? Well at least I know the identity of Tyson Fury’s next ‘world ranked’ opponent!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Tyson Fury’d better not come to Germany to fight Petkovic.

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by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salif easily beating up Petkovic and then getting disqualified for a number of “low blows” that were waaaay above the beltline.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know about the upcoming matchup. But watch it only if you feel mentally strong. It made me quite sick. Anyway, Petkovic is in no way an opponent for Fury.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure I saw the same promoter as the Williams Airich fight! Wow, just incredible.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would go and poke some sharp sticks into my eyes, but that wouldn’t make me unsee what I just saw.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

People knock Warren for giving his fighters easy fights Not so here, imo..
Either this was a case of Ski being a solid opponent, or DG not being as good as advertised.
I go more with the former, along with he fact that DG is inexperienced as a pro.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ski is tough and can bang a bit, he’s very predictable though and DeGale should’ve done better. Good learning fight, he needs more of them.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Ski had very little slickness to his game and DG will run into plenty of slippery operators as he goes.
He’s got a LOT to learn yet.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dramatic montage of the first press conference.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew looks confident. Shocker!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Here comes the Sturm und Drang of every combat fight entry since about 1998.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Hah! I like your multicultural approach. Sturm und Drang!

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by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleverly on his way now.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew may be in for a painful lesson here.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

From the looks of Bellew, he might just totally go for it and risk going out on his shield. Should be interesting for however long it goes.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he looks gaunt.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody think Bellew can possibly make a good fight of this, or even have a chance to win?
I don’t really, i’m just asking.
Could Bellew be one of those who fights better the bigger the occasion?
I know the bookies have it a bit closer than i do.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t. But I also expected a much wider fight than the one we just saw.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This ref’s being overly dramatic, as usual.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Move, Cleverly, move.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Good first round, with The Rat getting the better of it.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s my unofficial nickname for Cleverly since Bellew called him one in the press conference for the first failed attempt at this fight back in May.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richie Davies’ round for me.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Two thoughts:

1. Bellew has upped his game considerably
2. They really don’t like each other.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope that Cleverly is just loosening up.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew most certainly looks like he’s done something with himself.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 1 – All the talking stops here. Clev rushes in immediately. Bellew pushing Clev back and gets warned for use of the head. Good left hook to the body by Clev, Bellew keeping his hands up. Good right by Clev, and again. Good opening round, Cleverly takes it but Bellew held his own. 10-9 Cleverly.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly

needs to do more. he’s shipping a few.
Reckons he’s not in any trouble though,.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty good fight so far!

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good round for Bellew. Cleverly needs to fight not dance

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Already a better fight than I originally thought it would be. Credit to Bellew.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 2 – Bellew trying to get his jab going. Bellew boxing well, very controlled – got caught there though. And then Bellew lands a big right and a left hook and Clev is forced to give ground. Clev holding his hands in the air telling people he wasn’t hurt – that’s usually a sign he was. Right hand by Bellew who is catching Cleverly in this round. Bellew’s round, he did very well there. 19-19.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly can’t keep trying to toy with him like that.
Lightheavies can crack in general, and Bellew has power if nothing else.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew’s doing very well, but Cleverly seems to have his feet nailed to the floor.

Bellew’s good, but I expect Cleverly to have much more dimension to his fighting.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew seems to be doing more of the body work, which I didn’t expect.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellews rd again

C;ev doing very little offensively this rd,imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

He needs to up it does Clev

Im sure he will, but Bellow will get the rounds in Liverpool unless Cleverly asserts himself

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round 3 – Another decent right from Bellew early. Quiet round, Bellew landed a few more and edged it. 29-28 Bellew.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Go a Bellew up 3-0. Interesting..

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

2-1 Bellew but I have a feeling after 5-6 rounds it will be all Cleverly.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew’s straight punches very effective in that round

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly is blowing a bit.
Either he’s trying to suss Bellew out and will come on later, or he just can’t suss him out.
Very surprising fight to me.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Not half! I’m surprised just how much bigger Bellew looks. He really looks a good 10 pounds heavier at least. Good jab and right to the body too.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it

But Bellow is really making him look overated atm

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He certainly is to this point.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the typo, that should say ‘display’ ;)

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

i always considered Clev to be slightly overrated. Might of been kind to him be only saying slightly.

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok so who picked 11.03pm in the “first mention of Cleverly’s maths degree” sweepstake?!?

by Skeletor1982 on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Bellew is boxing very well.

I wonder if his stamina will hold up. He tends to fade a bit late

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 4 – Cleverly needs to start putting his punches together in this round. The jab working well for Bellew, Clev struggling to get inside it. Bellew out-boxing Clev, very interesting, not many people predicted that. Bellew working well to the body and trying to tee-off on Clev, who does well to avoid the punches. Another round for Bellew, could a shock be on the cards here?

39-37 Bellew

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly

just looks a bit “off” to me.
No disrespect to Bellew, he’s fighting a good fight but Clev’s energy levels seem lower than usual.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. This isn’t what I expected.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gave it to Clev. Bellew starting to breath with his mouth wide open

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d breathe like that if someone kept smacking me in the bollox too!

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleverly round, I think.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 5 – Bellew looking the stronger, going to the body well. Low blow from Clev, missed by the ref, Bellew responds in kind with a low-un of his own. Another ow blow from Clev has Bellew grimacing, a brief break in the action as Clev gets a warning and Bellew gets his breath back. Good right from Cleverly, Bellew lands a sneaky left in reply. It’s turning into a tough man contest in the last 30 secs. Drawn round for me. 49-47 Bellew

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Except for the low blows, this looks a bit more like Cleverly.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent fight this!!

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly 3 nutshots to 1

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleve took that one. Ref doing a good job letting them fight

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes the ref is doing well.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even after 6 on my card.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Thgis is great. They’re on top of each other every second, but no clinching or holding, just hammering away.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 6 – Clev is going to have to be careful with low blows, I can see a point deduction coming. Good combo from Clev and a big left hook rocks Bellews head back, he took it well though. Cleverly having the better of this round, Bellew firing back in the last minute. Good right from Clev as the round nears it’s end. Cleverly round. 58-57 Bellew.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew labouring with his punches, really slow swings especially with the right hand.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly really was toying with him then on the ropes.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Clev picking his shots now.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting round. Bellew wasn’t landing much cleanly but I’m not sure if Cleverly was throwing enough after the first minute.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

4-3 Bellwe after 7. But he’s laboring

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, what a round. I gave it to Cleverly by a hair, but Bellew looked more the worse for wear.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 7 – This has turned into a battle of attrition, who will last the pace the better?
Cleverly has really picked it up in the last couple of rounds, and he had to. Both trading, Clev lands a sweet uppercut and is starting to look the boss. Bellew swinging wildly with Cleverly against the ropes, he fails to connect. Bellew looking tired and takes another uppercut. A beautiful left hook to the body by Bellew to finish the round. Close round, I can’t separate them.

68-67 Bellew

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Could this be a DeGale v Groves on the scorecards?
With Clev the bigger name like DeGale was?

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Way way bigger underdog

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if you check the odds, he wasn’t .
They were both around 4-1, and no one gave either much chance.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the bookies they weren’t, believe me.
I check the odds regularly and Bellew was 3/4-1 for this fight, same as Groves was.
That’s why i said earlier that the bookies had it closer than i did.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't doubt you

Im just sayin why they were even. Different reasons :)

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

With us fans Bellew was the bigger underdog, for sure.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever.
I must have dreamt it.
But Groves was not 5/2.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Groves was definitely 5/2.

A friend of mine wanted to have the bet with me, I refused, he had it with the bookie.

Thank God. For the sort of money he was betting, I would have really regretted taking the bet. But yeah, seriously, the general market was 1/3 DeGale: 5/2 Groves. It’s not a massive deal, but I am absolutely sure on this. Groves was no bigger than 3/1, and you could only get that price by turning bookie and laying DeGale.

by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 16, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew was not 5-1 either.
He was about 7/2 on most list that i saw.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 16, 2011 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

I checked the odds for Bellew only yesterday before the fight here:

http://bettingzone.oddschecker.com/boxing-mma

so i am now putting my hands my ears and don’t want to argue about it anymore. :)

Me saying they were both 4-1 is closer to reality than your 5-1/ 5/2 arguments.
Maybe Groves was 3-1 or even 5-2 (though i never saw that) but Bellew was not 5-1 at anytime.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 16, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were both considerable underdogs at the end of the day.
There wasn’t much between Groves and Bellew as underdogs.
Hardly anyone was picking either fighter.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to pick but i think Bellew is slightly ahead at the moment.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I have him ahead by two. Though I think he is exhausted.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus, sounds like Bellew has seriously turned up. I really, really didn’t expect this at all.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t believe it’s the same guy from his last fight

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

From all of 16 last fights!

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have it even again. Gave the 7th to Bellew and this one to Clev.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 8 – Fight of the Year? Shot after shot from both men, someone could fall apart late in this kind of battle. A left hook and a solid right from Clev, who looks the fresher. Bellew tries to finish the round strongly but Clev has already done enough to take it. 77-77 even.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Bellew is ahead or even, may be getting a second wind.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

5-4 rounds Bellew

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I am being generous to Bellew, but I did not think he this level in him. If he sticks to the jab and avoids getting caught on the inside he could seriously win this.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 9 – This is a great fight and both fighters know it, and both will have a tremendous amount of respect for each other after this. A bit more boxing in this round, still very close, like pretty much every other round. This is a nightmare to score, I can see a split-decision happening. Another drawn round for me. 87-87 Even

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew is winning the rounds where he throws jabs

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m trying hard not to call even rounds, but this is one hell of a fight.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. What shots from Bellew.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm surprised Bellew is fighting this well this late

I think that was a Bellew round on the basis of those two big shots in the middle.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Another tough round

Might have to go with CLeverly despit the big shot from Bellow

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew is up for me. We are in rematch territory no matter what now. Warren must be loving it!

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Another Bellew round for me on the strength of the two rights. Cleverly needs to sweep the last two for a draw if he doesn’t get a knockdown on my card.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Some fighters can step it up on the big occasions.
Bellew seems to be one of those.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

6-4 TB.

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 10 – The legendary Jimmy Tibbs firing Bellew up in the corner. Bellew responds to Tibbs’ words and comes out firing; he takes a right from Clev though before landing one of his own. An exchange of left hooks and then a big right from Bellew and another monster right, Clev showed a solid chin. Bellew’s round. 97-96 Bellew.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew, by a hair. Cleverly seems too defensive, and too reactive. Bellew is more sustained, and it’s not like he’s missing.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank W has done the biz here tonight. Good on him.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly loses tonight, trains harder and beats him in the rematch.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

And i can’t believe i’m saying that.
i thought Clev would toy with him.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shite judging tonight, please.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clear Cleverly round. 6-5 Bellew.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Clev round there

Bellew was mostly hitting gloves and shoulders, and Clev had some nice shots late, including a few good uppercuts on the inside.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

NC needs the 12th for a draw on my card

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Great effort from both fighters, but I think Bellew outboxed Clev so far.

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 11 – Cleverly needs a big round, Bellew was getting on a roll in the tenth. More tit-for-tat action by two world class boxers, because surely Bellew has proven he belongs at this level. Very hard to separate them again but Clev just did enough. 106-106 Even.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Whoever wins

i think it’s pretty obvious the other guy deserves an immediate rematch.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew has some chin

by davec84 on Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

cleverly doesn't punch hard

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew

did himself and Liverpool proud.
Go you scousers!

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Clear Clev round to close it out

From what I’ve been reading, sounds like it will be a draw or narrow Clev win.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Clev by two for me

But Im not worried about the result as long as one fighter isn’t screwed. The big winner is boxing here. What A FIGHT

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

What a fight is right.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draw on my card as well

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I had it 6-5 Bellew with one even

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

draw. Great, great fight.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I gave to Bellew by one, but I think he needed to take one of the last two to get the decision. I think Cleverly will nick it, with one card something strange like 118-110.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Round 12 – This could be vital, whoever wins this round may well win the fight. Another good right from Bellew, Clev comes back with a left hook. Now Clev lands a big right, a couple of left hooks as well from Clev. Clev finishing strongly, he may be winning the fight in these last three minutes. More exchanges as the fight nears the end. Ref throwing out a cornerman with five seconds left – a bit pointless to say the least. Cleverly showed a champion’s heart in the last round to take it on my card. 116-115 Cleverly.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Outstanding fight. But I consider both to be weak champions

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly by 1, but I wouldn’t argue if Bellew got it by one either

by Duan on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s very close, it could go either way.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Cripes. I have Cleverly by a narrow margin, but I could easily see a draw.

I think Bellew was surprising, but the fact is that this wasn’t the Cleverly I was expecting to see.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Dave Paris should be shot

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

117 112 is pushing it

Clev takes it

Dave Parris with the wide one

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s impossible.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the score, I mean.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the two Cleverly cards were a bit wide.

by bachwards on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Where did Dave Parris find 117-112, purely out of interest?

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Dirty.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judges: 114-114, 116-113 and 117-112

117-112? Rubbish

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

To me this shows that judges are just incompetent sometimes and not always corrupt.
Both Warren fighters (though Clev admittedly has the higher profile) and it was in Bellew’s hometown.
I thought it was close to a drawn fight, without scoring it.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Buncey just say spectastic?

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Already talk of a rematch. I wouldn’t mind that.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. What a wonderful 12 rounds. That guy Parris should be arrested.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

We’re a loving bunch of people, he won’t have a problem.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t send him here. We’ve got enough of this on our hands..

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than Parris, not at all. And it was legitimately hard to score, but I thought 114-114 was about right.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it was a very hard fight to score

But I just can not find a 117 I don’t think

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, for sure not.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing I hoped wouldn’t happen. It’s an insult to Bellew.
Shame on Paris.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

117-112 is a stretch, it was way closer than that. Bellew gave the fight of his life, top marks to him. Just not quite enough.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Clev says he's looking for the Hopkins-Dawson winner

Either of them would eat him alive at this point. Hell, either one would probably have trouble with Chris Henry.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Dave Oakes, that was a really wonerful RBR

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Fair play, enjoyed it.

by MCM on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, well in Dave.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parris probably watched the video DrHenrik posted, and then did what I thought of doing. He poked sharp sticks in his eyes.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellow aplagising to his kids

He has no apolagising to do

He made me eat my words tonight big time. Good lad

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, shows all the talk is just that. Nice bloke, proper bloke, full of respect for him.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really go to gyms, I’m of the belief that gyms are fighters and trainers, not lurkers. I’ve talked to him over the internet a little bit, always comes across well.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

‘are for’ that should be.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellew apologizing to his kids, no need for that Tony.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel sorry for Bellew

he seems like a great fella.
Very classy ion the interview and he’s just elevated himself massively.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly’s coming across like such a wanker too, to be honest. “Obviously Tony’s fringe world class level” – how kind, eh?

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Cleverly seems a bit arrogant to be honest.
If he had real class he would give Tony an immediate rematch, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I guess I expected something more gracious or complimentary from him about Bellew.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit classless of Cleverly. Loves himself a bit too much.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loves himself a bit too much.

Very true. But Buncey loves him even more. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he is a good looking boy.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe sorta cute, but not more than that. He’s no Sergio Martinez.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sounds insecure, as if he feels like he has to explain why people should think he’s all that good.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two good lads, nice to see them sat side by side.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Bellew classy at the end. Will have so many more fans now. He also proved himself as way better than anyone really thought he was.

Forget Hopkins, I’m sure that Cloud would run through Cleverly, on this performance anyway.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleverly is weak champion. Or title holder that is

All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.

by Eugene Banks on Oct 15, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

You already told us that,.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the worse I have seen Cleverly

And I do think he underestimated Bellow some.

He’l grow

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is this guy saying that Cleverly gave a better performance than he expected?

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d just like to blow my own trumpet and mention that I did an article about hot prospects in Britain in 2009ish. I picked Bellew as one.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair Brickhaus also had him highly totuted not long ago and me and Oli Gold gave him a biot of grief for it. :)
That’s why we all have our opinions.
Good job tonight, Dave.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still think we were right though, Matt! Never could have predicted this…

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He really impressed - and surprised - me tonight.

And he seems like a really decent guy. He should be proud of himself.

by MCM on Oct 15, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Yes, he excelled both as a boxer and as a man tonight.
Cleverly could learn something from him about the latter especially, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you were just lucky :)

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, you made a very prescient call.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a good ref, wasn’t he? We forgot he was there, and I mean that in a good way.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two good refs in the main fights tonight. Both of them let the boxers get on with it.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Matt summed it up in saying Clev was avoiding a rematch. He knows Bellew will make his mission to avenge that decision.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

BoxNation has got off to a flier hasn’t it. Good to see.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't have asked for a better start

They certainly have whet the appetite for when the subscription kicks in

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye that was a good night of boxing overall

by Petersen Leigh on Oct 15, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apart from the rash of first round stoppages, it was great. Two compelling fights on one card is about as much as you can ask for.

Nobody will read this and care and why should they?

by Eoin_not_ian on Oct 15, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Buncey just say “you’re a bit gay, you two” to Keys and that other fella?
Steady on Steve!

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, i think he said “you’re a bit game”.
Easy mistake to make. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds like a “typically nasty weather” style joke.

by DrRck on Oct 15, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Key’s did well to hold his dirty tongue at that point. He could have let rip with a lot of profanities about the Gay’s.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

He’s got plenty of jaw/chin to hold his tongue in.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks like a Family Guy drawing.

by Dave Oakes on Oct 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!
And that hair.. if he combed it over any further, he’d be combing it from his arse.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello Kettle… this is pot… your black

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this fight will be up on youtube right? And is cleverley’s brawl on magnificent 7 still up?

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by battle axe of doom on Oct 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Warren's fights usually are

I don’t know if his involvment with Boxnation has changed that

by Sweet science on Oct 15, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes they come and go on YouTube.
I remember that time Khan got snotted by Prescott, I was trying to cheer myself up, but I couldn’t find it anywhere.

by Phill on Oct 15, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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