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Hopkins vs Dawson: This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

Hopkins vs Dawson was a letdown even for those who expected nothing. (Photo by Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

Golden Boy and Gary Shaw and HBO managed to reel in however many people they did reel in on Saturday night, and surely this time, nobody went away from a pay-per-view happy. 46-year-old Bernard Hopkins, who has enjoyed as much popularity this year as at any point in his career, if not more, and Chad Dawson gave less than two rounds of non-action before Dawson slammed Hopkins to the mat, injuring the champion's shoulder, leaving "Bad" Chad with the light heavyweight championship, a TKO-2 win that shouldn't stand after a review.

You could say "that's what you get" when you pay for a fight as unattractive on paper as Hopkins vs Dawson, but that's not true. At least not this time. I'm not even going to call the ending "bizarre." I'm not going to offer any analysis on why it happened or how it happened or what should happen (the fight should be a ruled a no-contest, period). It's just a frustrating thing that I'd prefer to move on from. I have no desire to see a rematch, because I had no true desire to see this fight in the first place. There is a nice schedule in November I'm really looking forward to, with fights like Pacquiao vs Marquez III, Angulo vs Kirkland, Bute vs Johnson, Alvarez vs Cintron, and more. I'm ready to focus more on that.

But I will offer these quick thoughts on Hopkins vs Dawson: Bernard Hopkins is 46 and really didn't look to be in great shape on Saturday. An injury like this was, in some ways, bound to happen. I mean getting thrown like that wasn't his fault, but I just feel like an injury or something of that nature was bound to crop up sooner than later. Chad Dawson acted like a clown after the fight, which was I guess surprising to some, but I'm just never surprised when boxers act the fool for a few minutes. For one thing it's the heat of the moment, which I think excuses 80% of these situations. Guys are pumped up right then. They're in a fighting mindset.

Star-divide

As for the minor or non-controversy coming from some accusing Hopkins of quitting, look, I don't think he did, but I can see why someone would think that. We've seen Bernard roll around in theatrical agony against, as Max Kellerman noted on Saturday, Joe Calzaghe and Roy Jones Jr in recent fights. He's not above milking any minor bump or fall to get some time or take away someone's rhythm or just piss off the other guy, or whatever.

But Hopkins hit the mat hard this time, and it's not like Chad Dawson was doing anything significant that Hopkins needed to disrupt or whatever. Winky Wright called Hopkins a quitter after the fight, but Winky Wright also calls himself an active fighter despite one fight in the last four years, a loss in which he didn't win a round against Paul Williams, so Wright can be taken with a grain of salt given that and the fact that he and Hopkins aren't friendly to begin with, to say the least.

Thoughts On the Undercard

I do like Paul Malignaggi, but my desire to see him fight at 147 is just really low. He does look physically better than he did in his last fight at 140 against Amir Khan, but he's just not as quick as he used to be, which really hurts his chances at winning significant fights. He'll beat guys like Orlando Lora (or Jose Miguel Cotto, or Michael Lozada) because he's the better fighter, step lost or not. But they're talking about getting him a title shot, and there are zero titlists at 147 that I think are an interesting fight for him. He may be able to beat Senchenko, but I doubt it, and that's not a fight that's going to happen anyway. After that we're talking about Mayweather, Pacquiao and Berto, and I really don't think Paulie has a shot against any of them, and the only guy he might possibly fight there is Berto.

But I wouldn't mind seeing Kell Brook face Malignaggi. Paulie is well-known to UK fans, Brook is on the rise, and while it's not a great fight for Kell, he's not likely to get a great fight soon. He wants to come to the U.S. and Malignaggi would be a fighter he could face that HBO might pick up. Malignaggi vs Devon Alexander might come into play, but I've just got no interest in that fight unless Devon is looking better than he has in his last three fights.

I think Brickhaus summed up Jorge Linares well: He's a great talent who is going to be limited by his chin. It's not that it's truly awful, I don't think, it's just it's vulnerable and he seems to have a hard time holding off guys who can bang and don't take themselves out of the fight. He's sort of like Amir Khan but he hasn't adapted as well to date. With this win, Antonio DeMarco doesn't become a better fighter than I thought he was before, but he becomes established as someone who's not going to stop trying in any fight. He's proven that a few times now, and the comeback win over Linares seals it. He's someone I'd be happy to see fight at any time.

Danny Garcia picked up his best win, and he beat a Kendall Holt who wasn't mentally absent from the fight. He did it simply by fighting a better fight. Luis Collazo losing to Freddy Hernandez is a bit of a stunner to me, not because I think Collazo is still so good (because he's clearly not), but because Hernandez really isn't very good at all and I figured even a rusty Collazo would be able to sneak past him at worst.

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I side with Dawson

I agree with the referee’s verdict, even though the ref seemed terrified that either he made the call, or the reaction (maybe both). Bernard literally jumps on Dawson’s back and is shoving his forearm into Dawson’s neck. What’s Dawson supposed to do, carry Hopkins around until the ref peels him off??

by toodiesel on Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah, definitely with Hopkins here. If you watch, Dawson actually wraps one of his arms around Hopkins’ legs and pretty definitively slams him down on the canvas. It’s basically a rugby tip tackle and wasn’t just an accidental foul, but, in my opinion, a pretty deliberate one. He wasn’t setting out to hurt Hopkins, but he also wasn’t looking to hold him in a clinch.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 17, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

nonsense, Dawson’s left glove barely touched Hopkins for a moment, take a look at the video. Spare me the rugby tackle hyperbole. How could Dawson have clinched??? Bernard was grabbing him from behind..

by toodiesel on Oct 17, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the middle

but on your video, it misses the one angle where its clear that Dawson hooks the leg and its a blatant throw. Hopkins shouldn’t have been on his back, but Dawson equally shouldn’t have thrown him like that, and was lucky not to get DQ’d

"I live what you talk. I Live What You Talk.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Oct 18, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t hook the leg, Hopkins is already in the air by the time Dawson’s glove is near Hopkins’ right leg, and Dawson quickly removes his glove from the area. In no way or shape does Hopkins’ leg have its movement impeded by Dawson’s glove. Hopkins jumps on Dawson plain and simple.

by toodiesel on Oct 18, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see a video yet proving any impact of Dawson’s glove on the “tackling” either. Looks to me like all the momentum giving Hopkins his fly comes from Dawson stretching/moving up his hips and moving his shoulder outwards.

"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter

by DrHenrik on Oct 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you could only provide a video which had the sole camera angle to back up your point, so do me a favour and spare me the ‘nonsense’ rubbish.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Oct 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

  1. Hard to find video like I found that’s not copyrighted. BTW, I’ve given 2 more angles than you’ve shown us
  2. The top-view cam illustrated my point clearly

The best angle, which was only shown once very late in the broadcast, is the one from Hopkins’ back as he’s falling.

by toodiesel on Oct 20, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say

If I had thrown down crazy jack for this PPV, then I would be pretty bent right now.

by thirdslip on Oct 17, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

just reading about that shit bent me.

by The Twillness on Oct 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol! that shit doesn’t get old! I still laugh every time

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Oct 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

To reiterate, I’m not going anywhere near anyone called “Crazy Jack,” let alone try to throw him. I’d get seriously bent.

by DrRck on Oct 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone definitely got jammed on this one.

by Quickhooks on Oct 17, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you can predict with accuracy that every fight this guy is in will have controversy, that says more about him than his opponents.

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry

by Boss Man on Oct 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing controversial about Pascal I was how he got fucked out of a decision. There was nothing controversial about Pascal II.

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had to fork out ppv for one if the weekend’s light heavy fights, I’d pay twice to see Clev v Bellew rather than Hopkins v Dawson. Those lads put on a great fight and put the other two to shame.

by Phill on Oct 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And the great thing is

we didn’t have to pay a penny to watch it!

Unlucky America :)

by Sweet science on Oct 17, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but to be honest SS, when BoxNation goes to £10 a month, I’ll pay it.
It’s just great to have a mix of past fights, current fights, those fights the other week with the UK v US military. I just hope they continue the way they’ve started.

by Phill on Oct 17, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best fight of the weekend, best fight in a while.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 17, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

im in the minority that wants to see a rematch

only because i think hopkins can and will beat him.. put it on hbo and not ppv and the interest will be there despite what people are saying now. it understandably left a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths, but we didnt get a definitive conclusion to this fight.

id watch the rematch and root for hopkins. if it doesnt happen tho it will be because of exactly what dawson said “he’ll be 47 next time.”

and obviously it should be changed to a no contest, and i believe it will be at some point.

how long after bradley campbell was that changed to a no contest?

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by Eddie Gonzalez on Oct 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it took about a month or so.

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by Scott Christ on Oct 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i forgot that paul williams kermit cintron never got changed

had to boxrec it

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by Eddie Gonzalez on Oct 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams-Cintron, I believe, couldn’t be overturned due to the stupid California rule that if four rounds are fought (even if the 4th is partial, as with that horrible fight), you go to the cards. The cards were wrong, the rule is wrong, and Cintron, like Hopkins, didn’t manage to draw much sympathy. Some fights are forgotten, others should be actively forgotten.

by El Destruyo on Oct 17, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea youre right

i think ultimately weather this is changed or not it will be forgotten and wont be on hopkins boxing obit… or a notch on dawson’s belt

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by Eddie Gonzalez on Oct 17, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a great talent who is going to be limited by his chin. It’s not that it’s truly awful, I don’t think, it’s just it’s vulnerable and he seems to have a hard time holding off guys who can bang and don’t take themselves out of the fight.

I agree. He really is a sensational boxer with great movement, but he decided to trade with DeMarco when he really should have been in all out survival mode for the rest of the fight. The good news is he gained a lot of fans with that performance. He showed some real grit. But I’d advise him to STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM RIOS. Terrible match-up for him.

Bernard Hopkins is 46 and really didn’t look to be in great shape on Saturday.

He did look a little soft and was fighting a very negative fight up until the ending. I think the best thing for both fighters is to move on because it already had the makings of a shitty fight.

by Sammlung on Oct 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

DeMarco also needs to stay away from Rios. It would be fun while it lasts, but Rios would but a beatdown on him.

by DPlainview on Oct 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Greisman proposed Dawson vs Pascal II and Hopkins vs Cloud. I say that sounds good.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Oct 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact, throw ‘em all together in Montreal on a double-header. Pascal (and Bernard a little) bring in the fans there, and the other two can’t draw flies to shit anywhere else anyway.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Oct 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of worse HBO doubleheaders. No PPV, right?

by El Destruyo on Oct 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds good if it's not a ppv

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Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Oct 18, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all said a waggonload of stuff about Hopkins – Dawson in the threads; some of us are still winding up conversations.

I still have a Shakespeare conversation to continue.

by DrRck on Oct 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree a 100% on Brook Paulie

Unless Eddie Hearn can somehow get him in with Berto

by Sweet science on Oct 17, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinking the only reason Hopkins will pressure for the NC is to retain his 0-KO’s. In fact, the best of both world’s in his mind would be to get the NC and skip the rematch. Hopkins never wanted to fight Dawson in the first place. Not because he was “afraid” of him or anything, but because he’s a tall southpaw and no one wants to fight those dudes. Throw in the fact that Dawson’s fans couldn’t fill a shopping cart, and this is probably one opponent he wants to leave in the murky past.

Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Oct 17, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Jrok, off topic, but am I correct in thinking you own an iPad?

by Phill on Oct 17, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but I own about a dozen of those fancy legal pads with the yellow paper.

Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Oct 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my understanding is that if it’s changed to an NC Hopkins would also keep his title, which is probably worth at least as much to him as 0 kos. I think NCs work like a draw in a title fight.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Oct 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopkins would certainly keep his title if it was changed to an NC, but I’m not convinced Hopkins wants to stay at Lt. Heavy.

Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Oct 17, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And frankly, if a rematch were ordered, he might have to consider he financial options first. He can make 175 money in Canada, and I still think he can make money in Wales. Anywhere else, against anyone else, it is going to be a tough sale. He might try to pull a Roy Jones here, betting that the “historical” angle will get him paid.

Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic

by jrok on Oct 17, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!!
I’m thinking of buying one, I thought you had one and I wanted to ask if “Tuckers” will work on them. It may have been Brickhaus.

by Phill on Oct 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankly Scarlett...

I don’t give a damn!

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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