Nonito Donaire and Jorge Arce On a Collision Course
by Scott Christ on Oct 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT
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Last night at the MGM Grand, Nonito Donaire and Jorge Arce sat ringside and watched Toshiaki Nishioka defeat Rafael Marquez via unanimous decision (recap), and they appear to be headed for a fight against one another in the first quarter of 2012.
Arce (58-6-2, 45 KO) just defeated Simphiwe Nongqayi on September 24 in Mexico, avenging a 2009 loss to the South African, and is currently being lined up to fight on the Pacquiao vs Marquez card on November 12. Meanwhile, Donaire (26-1, 18 KO) faces top super flyweight Omar Narvaez on October 22, in what is going to be Donaire's swan song at bantamweight.
With "The Filipino Flash" due to move up in weight, Arce would be his first opponent, followed by Nishioka next spring, in May or June. Donaire vs Arce has been discussed for a while now, and Arce is willing to take the fight (shocker, I know, Arce being willing to fight anyone). It would be a chance for Donaire to win a title belt as he moves up in weight, as "Travieso" holds the WBO super bantamweight belt, leading to a unification with Nishioka so long as the fight wasn't held on Japanese soil (the WBO is not recognized in Japan).
What are your thoughts here? Frankly, I think Donaire trounces Narvaez, Arce, and Nishioka, but that's just because Donaire is really that good of a fighter, and it's not a knock on any of those guys. All you can ask is that a fighter fight the best opponents, and we're talking about the top super flyweight (Narvaez), a rugged titlist at 122 (Arce), and the top super bantamweight in the world (Nishioka).
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I agree that Donaire likely rolls through all three, though i thought Martinez would do that to Barker so who knows?.
Nonito looks a cut above anyone at or around his weight to me though, even Gamboa.
For all Gamboa’s skills and power, Donaire has just as many/as much, if not more, yet also has better technique and fundamentals, and very likely a better chin (which i think could be the main factor if they ever fight), imo.
I haven’t seen any of Narvaez but i know Scott doesn’t see him as that big a threat. Plus he’s moving up in weight.
Yeah, i was thinking about Gamboa vs Donaire, unless Nonito’s power doesn’t come with him as he rises in weight, it seems he’d be able to stop Gamboa. For all his talent, Gamboa just looks complacent more often then not, like he’s just there, not a fighter determined to win in the most impressive method possible. He’d have to be locked in to beat Donaire, and even then, he still might get blasted.
by The Twillness on Oct 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Narvaez is a cutie who occasionally tries to bully. I see neither style working well for him against Donaire, but I’m glad he’s taking the fight.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He is also way too small, he is closer to 5’2 than his listed 5’4. I would also think his reach would be significantly shorter.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Can someone explain to me what a “cutie” is? I’ve seen it a few times and thought it referred to handsome fighters, but I’m guessing that’s not exactly what it is.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
cutie n. a boxer willing to take, and capable of withstanding, a lot of blows; an unrefined or unorthodox boxer who relies on tricks—“Cute” has a long-standing meaning of ‘clever,’ though less common now.—doubletongued dictionary online.
(Think: “don’t get cute with me” during an argument.) A standard clue is if the guy is constantly, rapidly switching stance, right to left, say, several times per round, not per fight. Lots of feinting and ducking, more than necessary, as a distraction. Often accompanied by “hotdogging,” but not always.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Ah wow, I never would’ve gotten that on my own hahaha. Thanks a bunch for the explanation! I think I got it. Can you give me other examples of boxers who would be considered “cuties”?
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I'm actually looking forward to the Nishioka fight now
though I can’t disagree with your prediction, for your stated reasoning. I have little interest in the Arce fight. I know he’s been exciting, but if Donaire doesn’t take him too lightly, I can’t see how it’s competitive.
This is the same Arce who got starched by Darchinyan like three years ago and has done nothing but put miles on the odometer since then, right
I think that Vazquez fight has people losing their minds. To say this is going to be a complete mismatch is an understatement.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
Well maybe the weight had a big effect on him… he has looked better in his jump in weight but yeah… Donaire is just flat out more talented than him as well has being huge for his weight class.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
See my post above.
I think that Vazquez fight has people losing their minds.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Something that Separates Donaire
Donaire shows a level of understanding that could only be described as ‘next level.’ It was in full view during the Montiel fight when he said his gameplan was to let Montiel hit him because he knew he could get a strong counterpunch that would stop Montiel. And he set that moment up from the first bell, which was impressive. He not only can dominate an opponent physically but can dominate them mentally as well. This is the reason why its hard to see Donaire losing against any of these guys who all have top-level talent. Donaire will be able to adjust to any style then simply dominate.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Donaire’s versus Narvaez well be similar to Donaire’s fight with Sidorenko. Donaire is way too talented and way too big for 118 pounders let alone a super flyweight beltholder.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Oct 2, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Jorge Arce (58-6-2). He is now on a 7-fight undefeated streak and holds the WBO super bantamweight title. Most had him figured as being done and shot when he lost badly to Simphiwe Nongqayi in 2009. But as he continues to roll, the possibility of a Hall of Fame call down the road becomes quite distinct. He has shown that he should never be underestimated. I like him!!!!!!!!!!!
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
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