Kelly Pavlik Walking the Walk, Heading to CA to Train With Robert Garcia
Kelly Pavlik nearly killed his career a couple of months ago, but with an admittedly desperate plea for one final chance, the former middleweight champ isn't just talking the talk, he is walking the walk. Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reported on Saturday that Pavlik will move to California to train with Robert Garcia, leaving behind both Jack Loew and Youngstown in order to find a fresh start.
Bob Arum made clear that he was no longer interested in the version of Pavlik that has been half a trainwreck the last few years, but also notes he's still willing to work with and help the fighter:
"We had a nice meeting with Pavlik and we laid out a course of action that [Pavlik] liked," Arum said. "It's gonna be a whole new ballgame as to where he trains, who his trainer is going to be, where he's going to live."
Arum said if Pavlik wanted to remain in Youngstown, "I'm not interested. Jack is fine, but [Pavlik] needs to be away from Youngstown. That doesn't work [for him to stay there]. He was very, very receptive. What that ultimately means, I don't know. But we're going to fly him out to Oxnard, let him see the beach, the training facility, and I've offered to lease him a home."
For as much guff as promoters sometimes take, and much of it is of course very well-deserved and earned, Pavlik could have long ago been cast aside by Arum, released from his promotional contract and wished the best of luck in his future endeavors. But Arum has, for some reason, decided to give Pavlik a final shot.
I say "for some reason" because this is a situation where the fighter has not, to be quite honest, earned another chance at relevance, at least not with major backing like this. Pavlik has essentially done nothing right since his June 2008 win over Gary Lockett, and even that was criticized as being a poor opponent who was nothing more than a walkover for the then-champion.
Since that time, Pavlik has:
- lost badly to an old Bernard Hopkins
- beaten Marco Antonio Rubio
- pulled out of fights with Sergio Mora and Paul Williams (twice)
- beaten Miguel Espino
- lost the middleweight crown to Sergio Martinez
- done a couple stints in rehab
- sat out 13 months
- beaten Alfonso Lopez in very unimpressive fashion
- bailed on fights with Darryl Cunningham and Lucian Bute
Sure there are three wins in there, but none of them were impressive, and it can be argued that the last time Pavlik fought impressively and won was against Jermain Taylor in their first fight. Even the rematch was sort of a letdown performance from both men, who fought more tentatively and failed to live up to their Fight of the Year type of hype that came out of their initial meeting.
Kelly Pavlik is 29 years old, turns 30 in April 2012. There may or may not be some fight left in him. Even manager Cameron Dunkin admits that this may not work:
"It's about seeing if Kelly still has any fight left in him, and he may not. He wasn't getting any better, he wasn't training, he had no organization. He wasn't in a positive way. So you have to make changes. You have to do something. You have to make drastic changes and see if it's going to work."
About 60 days ago, Pavlik was claiming that he was fine with never fighting again. Is this the shot in the arm he needs? Is this going to make any real difference? Or will taking Pavlik out of Youngstown and out of Jack Loew's gym just be another ultimately sideways step, with a fighter whose fighting spirit has been sapped by losses, personal setbacks, a lack of drive and organization in his career, and too much time wasted? If he can't be the fighter he was four years ago, can he be better than he's been in the last two or so?
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He hasn't walked anywhere yet
Not sure at all that he will. Doubt it, in fact, but all the best to him.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
A good Pavlik
makes a lot of people wealthier. Dealing with an eager to “reform” Pavlik is a low cost investment at this point with the potential of high ROI if he still has a good following in Atlantic City.
by tacklerford on Oct 24, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
PAVLIK
Recently, Kelly had the look of a stale, shopworn fighter. Only he knows what’s in his heart. If he wants to continue boxing then he needs to change it up, and start anew with another trainer. Arum shows a compassionate side for giving him this opportunity. It would’ve been nice if he could’ve hooked Pavlik up with Freddy Roach or even Teddy Atlas.
I've never understood all the criticism for the Lockett fight
There have been many fighters who have taken questionable fights as champions.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Oct 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Those were criticized too.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Oct 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How will Garcia and Pavlik mesh stylistically?
Pavlik doesn’t really do the whole pressure thing, the way Robert seems to like his fighters to fight.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
you got that right
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Oct 24, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wasn’t as good as it looked imo. Rubio looked awful that night, as though he were ill, as if he were walking the last mile to his own execution. I felt awful for him before the fight even started. It was an entirely different Rubio who took out David “the Disappointment” Lemieux earlier this year.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Pavlik is the "Great White Hope"
So he’s going to get all the chances he asks for in this sport up until that hope is gone.
As much as I hate to agree, I do in fact thiink there is lots of truth in what you say. Look at it this
way. Suppose he was not white?
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Kermit Cintron and Jermain Taylor
Are not equivalent to Pavlik. Pavlik is doing the damage to Pavlik.
Welcome to the bimonthly 'Kelly Pavlik is back on track (honestly)' announcement!
I wish him well. Hopefully his head is in the right place for fighting. If it works out I would like to see him against Bute, Froch, Kessler, Glen Johnson etc as Pavlik generally makes for good fights. What I don’t want to see is a match with Jermain Taylor to determine who is the least shot.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
Well, we’ll see, but I choose to remain dubious. Pavlik has a big, big problem, and no matter where he relocates, he’s still the guy who will get off the plane.
Tru dat. There are no geographical cures The same man that gets on the plane is the same Man that gets off the plane.
It’s all on Kelly now.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Oct 24, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably too late now. This should have happened years ago.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I feel for Pavlik. Its almost like many Americans (not you guys on here, by the way- just the part time fan) are still holding on to some glimmer of hope that he will find his old form and ‘save’ US boxing. I just don’t thing he handles that weight very well. He’s had his time.
by Phill on Oct 24, 2011 5:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think he handles pressure well. If anyone can crack him and get him going, I do think it’s Robert Garcia. But that’s still an uphill battle, like DrRck said above.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Oct 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He does not have the attitudinal fortitude or ability to deal with loss to get through this. He reminds me a tad of Jerry Cooney who seemed to think he let his fans down. KP needs some serious emotional counseling to go with the step program.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
by Boss Man on Oct 24, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let him spar with Margarito
If he can handle that pressure, he just might make a few waves again.
Otherwise, Boss, I agree one hundred percent.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Well, the image of Margo giving KP some "counseling" is, I must admit, compelling.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
I've said for years that Pavlik should bring Hopkins into his camp.
First off, that was the KNOWN start of all of this. Kelly probably had his drinking problem well before the Hopkins fight, but that fight was what started the downfall.
2nd, Hopkins IS mental fortitude. He can help in that area with Kelly maybe through motivation, mind tricks, show him some different angles etc. What does he have to lose?
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I figure Pavlik will wind up regretting the decision not to become a Kronk fighter when the opportunity came up. At the time, it probably seemed like the right choice for him, sticking with the team that brought him to the championship. He did pretty well against Martinez, all things considered, but the inactivity and keggers probably used up whatever was left of his prime. He could have been learning all the tricks of the trade all this time, but Jack Loew doesn’t know any. Pavlik may have been a championship-quality fighter at one time, but Loew was never a championship-quality trainer. He was just a guy in Youngstown with a gym.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Great point about Kronk. He was made for Manny and Manny was made for him. Tall, rangy and with a
snapping straight righ with power. Remind you of anyone?
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Man , you nailed my ass on that one!!!!!!!!!!!
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Not as fast but same build as the Hitman
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Spot on jrok.
Loew was by all measures a good guy with a gym. Period. The decision not to take his game to another level when he could will be one that Pavlik fans will regret.
On the other hand, I’m not sure Kelly will ever understand why he failed to sustain his success once he made it as far as he did.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
My instincts say he looks at the beach. And bails
Oxnard ISA long way from home. It will be more than rehab. It will be boot camp. Hard and lonely.
The tentativeness in Cameron Dunkins comments suggest this is a very long shot.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Russ Anber has split from Lemieux, because Anber wanted a 4-month commitment to training before Lemieux’s next fight, and the kid couldn’t be bothered (and Lemieux’s young, and only addicted to food). Here’s what I’ve been flashing on all through this thread, from Rafael’s Oct.21 “Showtime Schedules New Year’s Eve Bash.”
Anber said he brought Lemieux to train with middleweight champion Martinez in Oxnard, Calif., for two weeks before Martinez’s Oct. 1 fight to demonstrate how a top pound-for-pound fighter trains. Anber said Lemieux was miserable and has yet to put together three consecutive weeks of training since the Rubio fight.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I will be dining with Russ in Montreal soon--maybe the night before David's fight. This changes everything.
Russ is a top guy and friend and is adecent man.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
But it's amazing how some fighters simply cannot deal with loss. The Prince, KP, and now maybe David.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
That’s why I called him David “The Disappointment” Lemieux on another thread.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
but what I’m saying is, Oxnard can’t cure anything. Only the fighter involved can do that. And altho Lemieux is a disappointment, he’s not a mess—just maybe not a serious boxer. Pavlik seems to be a mess.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
KING OF THE BEACH
Despite the tatoo’s, Kelly isn’t a west coast kinda dude, he may enjoy the girls while doin his running at the beach though. I don’t think training with that have wit, Brandon Rios is going to help him.
Despite the tatoo’s, Kelly isn’t a west coast kinda dude
Certainly not with those tattoos.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He could be. There are a couple of trailer parks in the west coast
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Oct 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mean...but funny as hell.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
LOL
The ghost running down the beach with that Youngstown ink.
Not…a good look.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Really?
This doesn’t even dignify a worded response. I’ll give it three letters.
FFS.
At my signal, unleash hell.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 26, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No surprise. This is harsh, but to me, always, he’s got that loser look in his eyes. It will never go, and he’ll always lose at the game of life. It’s right there on his face, and I say that without malice.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Ohio News
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/is_kelly_pavlik_dumping_traine.html
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
LEMIEUX
What a shame Lemieux went off the rails, he was on track as a superstar. The Rubio loss was setback but if dealt with correctly could’ve made Lemieux a better fighter. He was depending too much on his power and appeared one dimensional, but in his early 20’s, there’s time for the necessay corrections. Sorry he split with Russ, a class act, but Lemieux needs to get back to work with a world class trainer and regain his confidence. The fans want him back.

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