HBO Not Concerned About PPV Figures for Pacquiao vs Marquez, Cotto vs Margarito
by Scott Christ on Oct 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT
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HBO's Mark Taffet tells Mitch Abramson that he's not worried about pay-per-view sales for the company's two upcoming big boxing events on November 12 (Pacquiao vs Marquez III) and December 3 (Cotto vs Margarito II), as Taffet believes boxing fans are wise enough to judge an event on its own, and not be concerned with the controversies and flops of Mayweather vs Ortiz and Hopkins vs Dawson:
"Boxing fans are very savvy and very sophisticated," Taffet said. "They look at each fight individually. And they evaluate it based on its own merits and every boxing fan knows that when you look at Cotto and Margarito, it doesn’t matter what came before it. It doesn’t matter what comes after it. On that night you want to watch, you want to tune in. And we expect it to be a very fulfilling night for boxing fans."
There are a few things that you can argue for if you're convincing people to order these fights:
- The Mayweather vs Ortiz and Hopkins vs Dawson shows were Golden Boy-booked, or in the latter case, a collaboration between Golden Boy and Gary Shaw. (I guess you could argue that the first was a collaboration between GBP and Mayweather Promotions, but whatever.) These shows are being presented by Top Rank. To the normal person, this may mean little, but the companies are different, and Top Rank appear determined to go for the gusto with these shows.
- The undercards are the biggest part of "the gusto." Pacquiao vs Marquez will feature Timothy Bradley vs Joel Casamayor, Mike Alvarado vs Breidis Prescott, and Luis Cruz vs Juan Carlos Burgos. Even better than that is Cotto vs Margarito, which is a night of potentially great action fights top to bottom, with Brandon Rios vs John Murray, Mike Jones vs Sebastian Lujan, and the rematch between Pawel Wolak and Delvin Rodriguez, currently leading many Fight of the Year races.
But is that enough? Mayweather vs Ortiz's numbers were not released. Someday we'll know, but nobody seems in a hurry to get that number out to the public. One theory is that the figures were as low as 850,000. Some have figured it at about 1,000,000 buys. Either way, that's a major disappointment. Even if you wisely ignore Oscar De La Hoya's doofy claims of the fight being in a position to break his record of 2.4 million PPVs sold for a single fight (with Mayweather), it's a lousy number with the expectations, and considering they haven't reported the number, I don't expect it's much better than a flat mil.
Of course, I think we're seeing a legitimate decline in interest in these Big Event Fights overall. I don't think boxing's popularity is slipping. HBO numbers have been OK this year. But neither Pacquiao vs Mosley (I don't buy the Arum-reported figure, sorry) nor Mayweather vs Ortiz set the world on fire. Can Pacquiao vs Marquez rile up the audience again? What's the high-end there? 1.2 million or so? What's the low-end? 800K? It's a big difference, and could very well go low, and that's no knock on Manny or even the fight. I just wonder if there's not sort of a dismissive attitude from the non-hardcores who bought these shows for a while. At what point were they sick of the fights? Was this year the end of the easy, huge money gravy train?
Cotto vs Margarito II is going to sell to its target audience and little else, anyway. My only concerns there have been (1) the closeness to Pacquiao vs Marquez, (2) the closeness to the spend-heavy holiday season, and (3) its standing as the last of four expensive shows in about two and a half months.
So far, you can argue very easily that HBO is 0-for-2. Is Top Rank coming to the rescue, or has the damage been done?
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I think that the Pacquiao-Marquez figures will be pretty significant (no, I’m not going to hazard numbers, because I’m not a bookie). I say that because, first, Pacuiao is a giant draw; second, their first two were tremendous, and this is a denouement in every sense; third, Marquez is and was a tremendous fighter, and will be tremendous in this fight as well, even though in my meaningless opinion he will be killed. These three things will attract absolutely everyone who has any intrerest in boxing.
Cotto-Margarito will wilt in pay numbers. I’ll follow it (not watch) because I have some dim idea of who these guys are, but given where Cotto is in his career, and given the rep that deservedly dogs Margarito (irrespective of his tough showing against Pacquiao), not a whole lot of people will be paying attention.
Interestingly enough, the numbers are comparable to recent UFC results
UFC has had a pretty rough PPV run recently. Its interesting that boxing is posting comparable if not better numbers than UFC at this point. Last UFC was only about 250k or less.
Good. Maybe the folks
who tout UFC’s superiority will quiet down a bit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They're two different animals
The UFC puts out a bunch of PPVs per year (I think they’re on track to do around 30 this year) and considering that they’re the only company promoting the event, that’s a pretty large workload. There’s only a marquee boxing matchup once every couple months or so, so the need for success is greater. Given that the UFC charges the same for a PPV as boxing does (roughly $50), the UFC can still thrive on less PPV buys per event.
Personally, I don’t think Dawson vs. Hopkins should even be discussed in the same category as the other three cards. I would throw that one out of the conversation altogether, if it were me. I doubt that a significant enough number of casual fans watched it to make a difference. As for Mayweather vs Ortiz, I don’t think that fight will discourage future buys. As I have argued elsewhere, controversial publicity is still publicity, and that fight got people talking. It has been extremely well discussed by casual and hardcore fans alike here in Brooklyn. NYC is sort of its own bubble, but if I were to hazard a guess on PPV numbers based on local interest where I live, I would say that Scott is lowballing the figure a bit.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Controversy helps, but shitty endings don't
I think controversial decisions and controversial personalities generate interest. But shitty endings like Mayweather/Ortiz and Hopkins/Dawson (which I’m not excluding because outlets like SportsCenter and Sports Illustrated both reported the results) turn fans off. Nobody likes feeling ripped off and when they get these shitty endings most casuals either come away with the standard “this sport is fixed!” or “man what a joke.” The danger is they don’t seem to discern one fight from the next and apply that feeling to boxing as a whole. I hope I’m wrong but I definitely think Pac/JMM and Cotto/Marg will suffer as a result.
by soulrise on Oct 25, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
That was the kind of controversy that lasted a half a news cycle…but kills the long term buzz.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Mayweather-Ortiz
Not sure whether to believe anything but Chris Mannix reported yesterday that Mayweather-Ortiz did 1.15 millions.
This is from Mannx
Pacquiao tops Mayweather … in the pay-per-view column
It has been over a month since Floyd Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz at the MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas. Yet curiously, HBO, Golden Boy and Team Mayweather have been silent on the official pay-per-view numbers. Here they are: According to a source with direct knowledge of the Mayweather-Ortiz number, the fight did approximately 1.15 million buys. That’s roughly 150,000 fewer buys than Pacquiao-Mosley, which, according to a source with direct knowledge of Showtime’s numbers, did 1.3 million buys.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I just disagree with a couple of points:
Someday we’ll know, but nobody seems in a hurry to get that number out to the public. One theory is that the figures were as low as 850,000. Some have figured it at about 1,000,000 buys. Either way, that’s a major disappointment
The way things are economically right now, I really don’t think that 1 mill buys could be considered disappointing from any angle other than negotiating power for a fight that may never happen. I mean, I know they poured all of that money into the Avatar-level production values for their “boxing galaxy” promotion, but it’s still more than a reasonable number considering the matchup.
Even better than that is Cotto vs Margarito, which is a night of potentially great action fights top to bottom…
Not at the top, I don’t think. Leaving aside the disgust-factor, when you look at what these guys have done since “La Battalia”, it all points to a very disappointing anticlimax, a sort of “who is more burnt-out” contest. Which will fail first, Margarito’s eyeball or Cotto’s legs? What looked worse, Margs getting beat within an inch of his life by a guy he was six inches taller than and outweighed by twenty pounds, or Cotto being unable to kayo a feather-fisted fighter with one leg? These guys are done as contenders, and my guess is we’re either looking at a Vasquez-Marquez 4 sort of mess or some sort of interminable Jones-Lacy event. It’s gonna stink.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Disgust didn't keep record audiences from watching an ear biting rapist fight Lewis
Cotto and Margarito may be no longer be contenders (although Cotto is still very much elite)…but then so were Gatti and Ward. If styles make fights, and I think they do, then man o’ man, these guys are a great match up today, tomorrow, every time out.
The Garden will be packed to the rafters with big night fight written large and loud.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Well, I said “leaving aside disgust.” I’m talking about the quality fight itself, not how many fools line up to see the wolfboy or the bearded lady. I’m sure there will be plenty.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
If the wolf boy and bearded lady were well matched, not only would the carnie fans show up. So might I.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Both hairy
And both long-in-the-tooth. Doesn’t necessarily mean fireworks.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Floyd and Ortiz were both shaved…and they bombed. So how bad can Cotto Margarito be.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It can be very bad. Imagine the third round of the first fight repeated 12 times with half the punches and a fraction of the power.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Then just enjoy Rios.
You don’t want to buy Margarito. Fine. You can still enjoy the show…then turn it off before the feature.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Okay, Bob. I guess you got your plug in.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Oct 26, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You know of a better card, let me know.
I’m an eqaul opportinity buyer.
I buy them all.
Golden Boy.
Top Rank.
Goosen.
Shaw.
You got one to sell?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I don't "sell" fights.
That’s not my job.
Is it yours?
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I'm a buyer
But I sell for living.
You hiring?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
hilarious
all of this. How it got to a point where there was a discussion about a fictitious fight between a bearded lady and a wolfboy and spiraled uncontrollably to a point of jobs and employment. I guess the economy is affecting us all…I’m still laughing. Thanks for the back and forth.
Disgust didn’t keep record audiences from watching an ear biting rapist fight Lewis.
It not only kept me from watchint an ear-biting rapist fight Lewis, it kept me from watching boxing for all the years of his reign because of my disgust for a sport that would support him. I didn’t come back to boxing till I was damn sure he was gone. And my name is legion, whether you can accept that or not. He turned a lot of people off boxing—you don’t hear from them, because they’re gone.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Oh I agree
After the fact.
And if you recall, I have also stated that I believe Floyd mayweather is actually a turn off and his persona and current direction is alienating more than it is attracting.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Two rounds after Foreman tore his MCL
And started gimping around the ring.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Oct 26, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And after the ref picked up and threw a towel
back to the same direction Forman’s corner picked it up from to heave in the first place.
Precisely
You claimed he couldn’t stop a one-legged fight, when he did, in fact, do just that.
You’re free to question the value of the stoppage, but you can’t rewrite history and just claim the knockout never happened.
Actually, I’m the one who claimed he couldn’t stop a one-legged fighter, and I stand by it. All that Mercante Jr really needed Cotto to do was touch the gimpy Foreman during one of his slippy-slides, and he couldn’t even do that for more than two rounds. The “kayo” was essentially a medical stoppage that came two rounds too late, and during that time you had the sad display of Cotto chasing after an fistless, legless fighter for six minutes. Mercante called it the instant that Foreman touched the canvas following a legit punch, not because of any damage Foreman took from the punch, but because it was ridiculous to watch Foreman hopping around the ring.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Did the fact that neither Wolak nor Rodriguez were considered elite take away from the outrageous action fight that they produced?
Whether or not Cotto or Margarito remain the calibre of fighters they were three years ago seems irrelevant to the larger, more important point. Both are still action fighters; both harbor a resentment towards the other; and just as was the case in ‘07, both match up remarkably well with the other, both in terms of ability and style. Their current level of performance relative to the rest of the division means squat, particularly since both men are staring down the narrow end of their careers. It’s their make-up relative to each other that counts.
Your point regarding Margarito’s tenuous facial structure is valid, though it seems rash to disregard the fight on those grounds before the variable has even manifested itself in the ring. If it turns out Margarito’s scar-tissue is a factor, so be it. But until then, why disregard the entire bout on that marginally possible outcome? And it should be noted that while Vazquez-Marquez IV did end on account of cuts, what preceded that outcome was still pretty spectacular.
by JasonTO on Oct 26, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And it should be noted that while Vazquez-Marquez IV did end on account of cuts, what preceded that outcome was still pretty spectacular.
Well, you can note that if you want, but I sure don’t agree. That fight was top to bottom a sad affair. Not only could Vasquez not see punches coming, he couldn’t pull the trigger anymore. A poor ending to their great rivalry.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I don't think I have looked forward to a fight like Cotto-Margo Two in a very loooooong
time/ Let’s get it on. Let’s rock and roll. Let’s rumble.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
jrock, I disagree. If Cotto is backed up, you will see a one-eye tiger going after a three legged Gazelle
just like on the Discovery Channell. Stalk, stun , and kill. It’s not gonna stink.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
I can't stand margacheato
but top to bottom that card is stacked. I think every fight will be entertaining.
by journeyintosound on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A toasted Shane already made mincemeat of Margarito. During his comeback, Tony’s shots were laughed at by Robert Garcia, and then he got his face Picassoed by a guy who was two legit weight classes below him. Margs is done.
Then we have Cotto, who at Yankee Stadium could not finish off a guy with no power and a broken leg. Cotto is done.
It’ll stink like old French cave cheese, Bossman. I’m sure people will tune in for the trainwreck, but then again people showed up to see Jones battle Sheika too.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
They won't just tune in
They will flood in. The Garden will be a madhouse. Top to bottom.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That has nothing to do with how good the fight will be, unfortunately.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I’m betting this is a FOTY candidate
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That’s the worst bet I’ve heard in a long time.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Unless the eye socket cracks early, it’s a fight to the finish.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That’s a great billing for a prizefight: “How long will before his serious medical condition cause a TKO? Who has taken worse punishment over the course of their careers? Who is more faded?”
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Oct 26, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gatti Ward III
Who has taken worse punishment over the course of their careers? Who is more faded?"
Ali Frazier III
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Awful comparisons
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
BS. Ali fought Frazier well past his prime and Joe fought after prctically getting de-capitated by Foreman, a loss that in todays boxing fandom would have had him de-listed and ignored.
Both men had taken beatings worse that anything Margarito or Cotto even engaged. Both men’s careers (and Ali’s well being) ended on that night in Manila despite the death throw appearances made there after.
Ward and Gatti in their best days were never reomotely as elite as Cotto and Margarito. Gatti was a puncher and a punching bag but loved dearly. And frankly so was Mickey Ward. But P4P elite they were not.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
No, the better example would probably be Ali versus Shavers: two old offensive fighters with questionable defense, both very faded, both overrated at that point in their careers (in the case of the Acorn, incredibly so). And I figure Cotto-Margarito will be worse than that.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
How about “Marquez-Vasquez 4” or “Holyfield-Ruiz III”. Yeah, that sounds more like the ticket.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
James... what you could have been.
He was putting nothing into those shots (watch especially toward the end when the pad is moving into the glove more than vice versa) and he was still blowing after the first minute and a half.
The acoustics of the gym made those shots sound very nice, but as much as I respect the natural boxing ability of James Toney, I’d be very impressed if he won more than 4 rounds against Lebedev.
At my signal, unleash hell.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 26, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty said they figure most boxing fans will buy it without taking a stance against someone like Margarito (though, they are likely largely right).
F*** Plasterito!
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Oct 25, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
For the Cotto vs. Margarito card, Arum is trying to placate hardcore boxing fan’s righteous indignation about giving Margarito boxing’s biggest payday in the Pacquiao fight right after getting caught with loaded gloves. Sure, a lot of fans bought the fight, but I doubt many felt great about the symbolism of it.
And oh how shocking it will be when for some mysterious reason Margarito’s power doesn’t increase as the rounds proceed. We will all be amazed, amazed I tell you at how much more easily Cotto withstands his punches. What on earth could have led to this change, we’ll ask, scratching our heads, as Cotto outboxes him and wins on points in the least entertaining fight of the night…
For the record, I’m still not throwing money at a card with Margarito on it. You can’t even tempt me with Brandon Rios and the Wolak vs. Rodriguez rematch, Mr. Arum, but nice try.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Arum is not trying to placate any such thing.
He is trying to make his fighters and himself the most money possible. That and the fact that boxing fans, despite the disgust of many,are waiting to see these two meet again. And will pay to see it. That is why the featured fight has been put together.
Moreover, he is putting on a card that will feature arguably their most electrifying young star, Brandon Rios. They want Rios to be seen because the more you see him, the more you want to see him.
Rios is no bone. He is part of the future.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Arum is not trying to placate any such thing.
He is trying to make his fighters and himself the most money possible.
Why is pleasing hardcore fans at odds with making money?
Rios is no bone. He is part of the future.
Why can’t he be both?
Look, you admit that many feel disgust, why is it so strange to imagine that Arum agrees with you and that part of the reason he is stacking the undercard is in response? Seems plausible to me anyway.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Oct 26, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are right in that it doesn’t have to be all or none.
I know that Rios has the full backing of TR and that they see him as a rising star in the stable. Putting him on a big card now is like putting Bradley on a big card. They are promoting both men and want to get as many eyeballs on them as possible. What better way to do it that to place them under Manny and then Cotto, two of their proven box office stars.
BTW, add Nonito to the pack being highlighted by TR. they believe in his constituency and his ability to be a big star. thus the four fights planned for 2012
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Ask Roach and Pacquiao about Margarito’s diminished power.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Or better yet, ask Shane Mosley and Robert Garcia about it.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I’ll take Manny’s word for it.
Shane had his last good night against a justifiably discombobulated fighter. Garcia still trains Margarito. I will let his actions speak louder than his words.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
"justifiably discombobulated"
Okay, whatever. I saw a Margarito who got mowed down like green grass by a very old and faded brawler. Shane laughed off his punches like they were nothing. So did Robert Garcia.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Oct 26, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Read this from the Filipino papers and then let's talk
http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticle.aspx?articleid=630600&publicationsubcategoryid=69
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
How about "No"
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You want the truth. I don't think so.
You can’t handle the truth!
This is the mot Manny hugging newspper in the business and an account of Manny’s condition after the fight. Go on. Read it.
Manny is a pretty humble guy, known to tell it simply as it is.
And he was hurt.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Blah blah blah. Instead of reading this nonsense, let me guess: a guy who was twenty pounds lighter and six inches shorter felt sore after a fight? Somebody stop the presses.
Except, don’t stop them, because that same little guy beat Margs within an inch of his life, in a fight everybody points to as an example of letting a fight go on too long.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Bla bla my ass
He was hurt. Full stop.
Why?
Because Margarito will hurt anyone he fights on any night that he foights the way he did against Pacquaio. Any night.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
“Full stop” would have been a nice little feather in Margarito’s cap. Instead, you had the ridiculous spectacle of a tiny man standing up a huge, blind punching bag for the final three rounds.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
and he didn't just stand up, as you suggest elsewhere,
his punches were much more physically devastating to their opponent than Margarito’s.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Manny is a beast
He all but retires fighters. He doesn’t just beat them.
Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito all took hellascious beatings.
Margaret was no exception.
Only Clottey who was pounded into a shell and SHane who submitted early survived in tact
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think you misunderstand what he means by "standing up" in this context
Standing up to your opponent = Seeing the final bell
Standing up your opponent = Letting him see the final bell.
Or maybe I misread the context of your post.
So many posts: so many contexts…. I think I’m going to lie down… :)
At my signal, unleash hell.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 26, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I mean that he “stood him up,” meaning he let him live, not that he made a date with him and didn’t show up, etc, etc.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I assume Matt Miller thought you meant it the other way, going by his post.
I was just trying to clarify.
At my signal, unleash hell.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 26, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct. I misunderstood jrok's comment.
I was filling in a “to” in my head: “standing up [to] a huge, blind punching bag.”
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
havent read the comments so excuse me if its already been said
one prevalent theory as to why the mayweather numbers havent been released is that mayweather is currently reaching a settlement with the irs over past due taxes… and doest want this revenue to be a part of it
seems plausible
and the number i have seen thrown around is 1.2 million
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
If it was 1.2 or even close...
they would have been parading it around faster that Floyd can throw cash on a casino floor
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It is not plausible at all, thebtb
First of all, the IRS can audit results. And most impostantly, you pay taxes on what you earn, not what you say you earn.
In other words, the IRS (should it desire) and HBO already know the numbers.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
yea not saying i agree
or believe the theory…
just saying i seen it reported
by rafel either in his tweets or one of his blog posts.. and another writer (i cant remember which)
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Oct 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw it in Rafael somewhere too, thought it odd at the time: If there’e one thing the IRS knows, it’s how much you’ve got, or are going to get. However, income tax is once a year, business tax is every quarter—they can’t hold you up for it till it’s due.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Now he is a tax espert as well! Ugh! Income tax can be quarterly based on estimated taxes. That's how I do it.
Four times a year.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Rafael is an ass kisser, not an auditor
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Rafeal isn'
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
Damn it...lets try this again
Mayweather probably pays some really smart guys to do his taxes and if they say to hold off on PPV numbers then they probably know a lot more about taxes and shit then we do. And if one of Rafeal’s sources knows about what Floyd’s team of expensive tax guys is doing, and told Rafeal about it…then it’s probably not Rafeal trying to be a tax expert, but instead just reporting something somebody told him.
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
That's logical.
Makes sense to me, the way you describe it, anyway.
At my signal, unleash hell.
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Oct 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They cannot _not_ have the PPV results audited
Plain and simple.
The IRS has and will exercise that authority at will. They may be bureaucrats but they know what they are entitled to see…and they will do so with extreme prejudice.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And being a gullible reporter
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
have to admit, boxing has put together an exciting undercard. been awhile since that happened.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Oct 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
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