Pacquiao vs Marquez 3: Referee Tony Weeks Is the Man to Watch
Sean Mills takes a look at the Pacquiao vs Marquez fight from a different angle: Will referee Tony Weeks impact the bout in a significant fashion?
You may have already read about a certain Mexican warrior that rose from three knockdowns to give a Filipino all he could handle in their first fight.
You may have already heard that despite gaining knowledge in their first fight, the second fight was even closer.
What you may not have heard in the articles covering Manny Pacquiao's and Juan Manuel Marquez's upcoming rematch is that Tony Weeks will be the man to watch. With Marquez demonstrating a likely chance of visiting the canvas, the question is how many times will referee Tony Weeks let him get up?
To underline how dramatic this question actually is, consider this alternate timeline: What if Cortez stopped their first fight after the third knockdown. Would this upcoming bout even be happening?
First let's rule out the trainers. Nacho Beristain has seen Marquez survive Pacquiao twice before. More recently, Beristain let Alfredo Angulo get knocked out rather than throw in the towel for him. He watched his fighter fight less and less and get hit more and more, but let him keep "boxing." Meanwhile, Freddie Roach hasn't seen his star Manny Pacquiao in serious danger in years. Chances are neither trainer will be the one stopping this fight.
Tony Weeks is the one who will decide a technical knockout if anyone does, on Saturday night. The fact that he is a referee with a great record doesn't mean something won't go wrong. Laurence Cole and Kenny Bayless have both called knockdowns against Pacquiao that later proved to be slips or pushes conclusively during video replay. I consider all three of these referees more than competent.
Weeks will certainly do his best, but its not a question of competency, it's a question of whether he will decide the outcome of the fight.
There have been 16 TKOs or no-contests in the last 50 fights Tony Weeks has judged, with five of those in the MGM Grand, where this fight will be held. In a third of his last fifty fights, Weeks got to decide the fight he was officiating rather than the judges. This does not suggest he has ever acted prematurely, but it does suggest there is a fair chance he might decide which round the fight ends.
A technical knockout (also referred to as a TKO) is declared when the referee decides that a fighter cannot safely continue the match. Since discretion can play such a large part in a fight, it is worth reviewing the past decisions of a referee. Among his recently officiated fights I tried to look for patterns in how he made rulings for Technical Knockout and I discovered some things to watch for in the upcoming bout.
Weeks usually does a great job of communicating with fighters in the ring. You can audibly hear him warn of low blows during fight with a, "Keep 'em up, baby."
After a knock down he firmly explains to a compromised fighter, "I'm going to give you a chance." And, since he speaks Spanish you can imagine both Pacquiao and Marquez will have an equal chance at convincing Weeks they can continue fighting if questioned.
In the TKO of Dion Savage from his opponent Adonis Stevenson, Savage looked clear headed, but since he wasn't throwing any punches, Weeks stopped the fight.
In July, it only took five or six seconds of lying on the ropes for Weeks to declare Danny Santiago unable to continue against Beibut Shumenov.
Earlier, in a fight between Yunier Dorticos andJ ose Luis Herrera, Weeks ruled a second round TKO in favor of Dorticos even though Herrera was still standing in the middle of the ring. Following a scored knockdown, Dorticos threw four punches and shoved Herrera. The shove revealed Herrera's shaky legs, and Weeks stopped the fight.
Perhaps the most useful information can be gathered from Tony Week's signature fight: Diego Corrales versus Jose Luis Castillo. This fight was a classic and slightly unusual in the sense that in the 10th round Castillo knocked down Corrales twice, but ultimately Castillo was the one TKO'ed.
By the 10th round, both fighters had expended a lot of energy, making safety a special concern. Despite the two knockdowns, Weeks deemed Corrales fit to fight, though he did deduct a point from Corrales for spitting out his mouthpiece.
On the stoppage itself, Weeks had this to say:
"You can see my eyes going from Corrales to Castillio. It happened so fast; he jumped on him with a barrage of punches...His head went limp. I couldn't believe it, I didn't think, I just reacted. A referee isn't concerned about who is winning or losing, just enforcing the rules..."
According to Weeks, it's all in the eyes. He looks in a fighter's eyes to decide if he can continue to fight. In the upcoming bout, if you notice either Pacquiao or Marquez looking anywhere but at his opponent after a knockdown, you can assume Weeks will stop the contest.
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Very good article. Hopefully this is a feature that can become a regular of this site, considering that we’ve had so many fights lately where the ref has been a player in the outcome. It’s good to consider another set of variables apart from those that the fighters themselves bring. Obviously, we can’t really predict things like Mayweather/Ortiz or Dawson/Hopkins, but at least we can be on alert, especially with bad refs. Good job!
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Thanks! I think this is a special case because of the likelihood of a TKO, but with Cortez, Mora, and Arthur Mercante Jr. I might keep an eye out.
Was this article your work?
Nice stuff
Thought it was Scott but then just noticed it was Bad Left Hook up the top
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, fuck, I forgot to include the byline. My mistake.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
For any of the the Brits, Pac v JMM 1 is on Primetime now, free. :)
by Phill on Nov 10, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Great stuff
Like I said in the judges thread, really interesting looking at the fight through different eyes.
While I am talking of officials, did you see what Ian John Lewis tried cooking up for the Lynes Purdy fight last night?? Criminal!!
The man is the worst judge AND referee in the sport. I cannot believe he’s still licensed.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
114 - 114
And Purdy suffered a KD….. I mean…. That is up there with the worst scorecards I have seen. I gave a round and a share of one to Purdy. Many of the sky sports pundits had it a shut out….. The BBBC needs to do something
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
That dude’s voice alone gets right on my tit. He sounds like his nuts have been hit with an FBH.
It's as though Jonathon Ross was his speech therapist when he was younger too!
Thinking about it…. “Wossi” probably tought him how to score fights judging by his recent efforts! ….. “The man coming Forewawd… good pwize fighting…. the man landing punches and moving backwads…. bad pwizefighting”
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!
Wossy… another twemnedous twat.
by Phill on Nov 10, 2011 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd probably give it a week if I were you
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, if you haven’t seen the Vicente-Gonzalez fight from Sunday, watch for that. It turned out to be quite a good one.
Was that the one on that stream Scott put up on the site
I was looking through the thread and that seemed to be the standout…. il have a look for it if I have some free time
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
That’s it. BoxAnne and I, alone, crying in the wilderness. But it was a really exciting fight. You will also have seen my pathetic RBR skills.
I had a go last night
I don’t envy Scott’s job. Or Mr Furman’s. (I struggled last night, it must have been torture trying to keep up with Kirkland Angulo)
I plain didn’t mention the couple of cuts that occurred. Just not important enough for me to mention (roll’s eyes)
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was smashed.....Why was their 6 people in the ring?
Two ref’s and four fighters? Tag team??
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how these two manage it. My brain was giving a brilliant and in-depth analysis while all I could articulate was “hey, this guy’s good, wow look at that.” Lame, pathetic, uninformative.
Yeah I had so many thoughts going through my head
But I found it hard to type and watch at the same time and by the time the round had finished I had forgotton half of it :) (Memory of a goldfish)
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Reminds me of a story a friend once me about how scientists determined that a frog’s memory lasts for five minutes.
That beats mine by about 4 minutes and 45 seconds when watching a fight.
My one idiotic attempt at RBR was an attempt to disguise my “what the hell just happened?” reaction.
haha
TBH I think you give yourself a hard time on here… You know a lot more than what you give yourself credit for
by Sweet science on Nov 10, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
My fight picks have been spectacular. Here’s how I keep on doing it:
Put a frog in a terrarium, and then put a bee in it. The frog sees the bee, scarfs it up, and gets stung (you can tell, because the frog’s eyes retract, and it wipes at its mouth). Immediately put another bee in the terrarium, and for 5 minutes, the frog avoids the bee, and then zing! the frog scarfs this bee and gets stung.
You can do this as many times as you like, and the frog will avoid the latest bee for just 5 minutes, and then do the same dumb thing all over again.
This is me with fights.
must have been torture trying to keep up with Kirkland Angulo
Andrew Fruman had the keyboard for that one, but yeah, fights like that are crazy. The Vazquez-Marquez fights were the most frantic I’ve ever typed. Sometimes I just wind up abandoning description and lose my mind with everyone else. it works out better that way for me.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
The last thing this third fight needs is more controversy than the first 2, that’s why it’s up to the referee and the judges to be on their game for this fight. After the last 2 big boxing fights turned into controversial jokes, boxing needs a great fight that is decided by the fighters and that’s controversy free on all counts.
"@bigfootsilva, I want to tell you a joke so funny it will make your head grow. It goes like this..Oh wait, I see you have already heard it." -Chael Sonnen
That just doesn’t make any sense. Pac might very well blow JMM away early and then you get this piece of garbage of Bradley vs Aa shot Casa. No thank you. I’ll spend my $ 55 on a nice steak au poivre, tre gusty vegetables, a side Athena salad, and some Montepulciano d’Abruzzo. Then I’ll top it off with a warm cranberry chocolate bread pudding with a spot of whip cream. F—k this rip off. I’ll read about it when I get home and will then cut loose with a loud belch to celebrate my good sense. Are you feeling this?
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
you're going to risk missing out on another classic?
both fighters are guaranteed to show up ready to fight. neither backs down. worst case scenario is a fast KO … and personally i never feel robbed from a legitimate fast KO. I wouldn’t even watch boxing if a quick KO wasn’t a possibility.

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