Pacquiao vs Marquez: Manny Reportedly at 143 Pounds Night Before Weigh-In
by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2011 6:04 AM EST
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With a 144-pound catchweight in place for Saturday night's third fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez, Ronnie Nathanielsz reports that Pacquiao was at 143 pounds on Thursday, according to strength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza.
Ariza, in typical fashion, also couldn't help himself from being bold:
"I won’t be surprised if Manny knocks him out in the first round. ... [W]hen I say knockout, I think Manny knocks him down, jumps on top of him and beats the shit out of him and they stop it."
Ariza's description of Pacquiao's likely ground-and-pound stoppage may have been worded poorly.
Pacquiao hasn't made a flat 144 in a while, but nobody is expect that to be any problem for him, since it's not like he's been much over that weight, either. In his last three fights against Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, and Shane Mosley (in that order), Pacquiao has weighed in at 145¾, 144½, and 145 pounds (in that order).
The official weigh-in for the fight starts today at 6 p.m. EST, and HBO will air the event live. We'll be here with live coverage as well.
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Oh so MMA style huh, Ariza?
I really dislike him. He just looks like a weasel.
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If he’s walking around at 143 now, I find it a bit hard to believe that there are some people clamoring for a Martinez fight. Pacquiao would have to wear a fat suit, or load his trunks with lead, to make weight.
If nothing else it says a lot about Pacquiao’s talent that he can probably easily make 140 lbs but is good enough to easily defeat some good welterweights (Cotto and Clottey especially in my opinion..
I don’t think anybody is desparate for Pacquiao v Martinez, but you can’t blame Martinez for wanting the fight, as the money on offer for him would be huge and he is willing to get to 150lbs to make it happen. Also if Pacquiao fights and wins a 154lb title and is celebrated as a 8 division world champion, his team then can’t then claim that Martinez is ‘too big’ when he is no bigger than Margarito.
The Arum ‘same day weigh in’ clause should be taken as seriously as his claims that Floyd is basically ‘too much of a racist’ to fight Pacquiao. I don’t think its even a case of Arum trying to avoid the fights, its just that when you put a microphone in front of him, he will just say some strange things, especially in Pacquiao fight week.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 11, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I certainly don’t blame Martinez; he’s not only a genuinely very good crowd-pleasing fighter, he’s also (I think) a potential future media star whose window is closing rather rapidly. A Pacquiao fight is a huge doorway to that future. I also think that he’s much better than either Clottey or Cotto, though in different ways.
I think that some valid objections were offered in an earlier thread about same-day weigh-ins, which I had previously favored. I think the “monitored weigh-in” idea has merit, though.
My point, whether valid or not, is not that most, or a significant number, of people want to see a Pacquia-Martinez fight, but rather that some people clearly do. But to me, the weight disparity is so great that it begins to sound like there are people who expect Pacquiao to be able to do absolutely anything and everything, and that’s just not realistic.
I don’t have a problem with monitored weigh-ins either, I just found it strange that same day weigh-ins only became an issue after Martinez said he could make 150, which was the previous demand.
I personally think the fight is a bad idea as one of two things would happen
(a) Martinez dominates, as he is too big and too good
(b) Pacquiao dominates, as Martinez is weight drained
Neither scenario really gets me excited. I would love Martinez to get a mega-fight, but I think that Floyd and Canelo are more viable options, or Bute/Ward/Froch if Martinez is willing to put himself in the postion that he wants Manny and Floyd to be in for him.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 11, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
My feeling is that same-day weigh-ins have been building as an issue for a while now, although the matter may have broken the surface only recently. For me, weight at fight time has been a personal peeve for a long time.
My view is that Martinez and Pacquiao just shouldn’t fight; they’re not in the same natural weight class, and no matter how much they torment themselves to make some artificially designated weight, they will never be. But, that’s just my opinion.
Martinez would murder Alvarez, in my opinion, so I would emphatically not like to witness that. Mayweather can d whatever he wants, which will probably be nothing. Bute or Froch, especially the latter, would be really interesting.
I probably agree on the Canelo front, but my guess is that in 18 months he will be a middleweight anyway, it just depends if Martinez is still on the scene (maybe)
I personally just find catchweights really annoying. There are so many weight classes already, why involve even more. Most of the time they are just being used as either get the other guy an advantage before the fight, or even just to show dominance in negotiations.
I don’t mind the day before weigh-ins, I’m sure I read somewhere that it is safer for the fighter but I’m not a doctor. Also I think that the recent expolits of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Froch show that you do not need to cut loads of weight in order to be effective in a weight class.
Martinez v Froch would be a great styles clash and I could almost imagine Martinez taking that fight for no other reason than I think Dibella seems to like Froch as a fighter.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 11, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
The way I see catchweights is that they are an artificial way to bring together fighters who are big draws in their normal weight classes, simply in order to pump up revenue. This mostly benefits promoters and media venues. It does give fighters a certain moment in the spotlight, but to me, it risks their well-being, which is something that they already do in the course of the terribly ill-advised profession of boxing.
Day-before weigh-ins, to me, require tremendous fluid loss, and attendant loss of electrolytes, just to make an artificially low weight, and it’s hard for me to see how this would not have an effect on the fighters’ performance and well-being afterward.
Day-of-fight weigh-ins, as someone pointed out, might result in even more drastic measures to cut and then regain weight, all in the same day.
Monitored weight, much like PED testing, would involve keeping tabs on a fighter’s weight throughout training, up until the day of, or perhaps day before, the fight. Weights would be known, and it would be clear if the weight of a fighter had been maintained within a healthy range for an elite athlete. It would also prevent sudden and drastic fluid loss to make a specific weight at a designated time.
This just makes worlds of sense to me.
Me too, but much like calls for stricter drug testing, I think that it might be a while before anything is introduced.
I’m all for any change that enhances the safety of the fighters.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 11, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's ridiculous
I can’t believe your buying into that. Too racist to fight? You either want to see it or you don’t. It would be the biggest fight of all time.
by Craig111 on Nov 11, 2011 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he’s calling the claim ridiculous. clearly.
by The Twillness on Nov 11, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was. It just seemed like a strange statement from Arum to give. Other than that one stupid video I don’t think Mayweather has ever publically been involved in anything to suggest that he is a racist.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 11, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Damn I need to read these post better
I read it a couple of times and still missed it.
by Craig111 on Nov 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
PACMAN
Shut up Ariza, let Manny do his thing in the ring. Anybody who thinks Pac’s camp is serious
about a Martinez fight is a FOOL. If Mayweather chicken’s out again, Bradley is next for Pac,
provided the “Billy Goat” earns it against Casamayor. Marquez will be stopped before round 7.
I guess this is where Pacquiao weighs without the 5 meals a day, and probably if they cut down on the conditioning I bet he’d be 139ish without the extra muscle. Interesting… Marquez boma ye!! hhaha..
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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
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