Pacquiao vs Marquez: Freddie Roach Says Marquez Deserves Fourth Fight
by Scott Christ on Nov 13, 2011 6:30 PM EST
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After last night's incredibly competitive and compelling third bout between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach says that the Mexican star, who lost a hotly-debated majority decision, deserves a fourth fight with Manny:
"It was a very close fight. We were able to squeeze it out. I thought the fight was very close but Manny pulled out those last two rounds. Marquez stayed in counter-punching mode and when the rounds are close I will go with the aggressor. ... I think Marquez deserves a rematch. The fight was close. I think all of their fights will be close. Marquez fought very well."
Pacquiao won the fight on scores of 115-113, 116-112, and 114-114.
The question now is how much interest there is in a fourth fight. I think a lot of Pacquiao's fans, at least in America, really came into the Manny game and got to know him starting with the De La Hoya fight, so as aware as they are that Pacquiao and Marquez fought two times previously, I don't think this is old news to them. And anyway, Marquez's performance last night kept the question open: Who's really better?
It's a great rivalry, and personally I'd welcome a fourth fight, but what about you? Do you think there's enough unfinished business to warrant another 12 rounds between these two?
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I'm positive they will fight again, but I reckon it comes after a Mayweather fight.
Considering how Pacquiao’s slowed and visibly deteriorating physically, I’m sure all the people who stand to make an absolute ton of money from the Mayweather show won’t be willing to risk Manny potentially losing a fourth with Marquez, and will just go ahead and get the big one set up now. After that, I expect Pacquiao-Marquez IV in what will likely be the last fight in both their careers.
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I'd take it in a heartbeat...
After seeing and scoring all three fights, I think there’s a total of 2 or 3 points combined in either guy’s favor… Can’t get much closer than these two have been…
On another note, if I hear Lederman say freaking “effective aggression” one more time I might go insane…
The crazy thing about that statement is the Manny wasn’t particularly effective OR aggressive, certainly not for him……….
Yeah...
I scored the fight a draw, but I was under the impression that the “effective” part was key there. In all honesty, I’ve never really been able to distinguish between clean punching and effective aggression; you can’t have one without the other can you? I feel that counter-punching is a form of effective aggression.
Voted NO
To me this rivalry is clear now. Marquez won and is better than Manny, at least one-on-one.
I suppose we could have a fifth fight and a sizth fight and a seventh, I suppose Manny might finally win one, but it is clear to me now that Marquez will:
A) beat Paquiao again and again
and
B) never ever get a decision against Paquiao
So really no point in this anymore…
I would love to see Marquez get another chance…..the thing is you really get the sense that Marquez put everything he had left into this fight, especially mentally. I think he came in determined to fight the best fight he had ever fought (even at age 38) and he did that. He was nearly perfect. But I believe it will be very hard for him to forget how badly he got screwed in this fight. My sense is that Marquez did everything he could to make this the culmination of his career. I don’t know if he can get past the disappointment to go another 12 rounds and get the same result a third time. I wouldn’t blame him.
I do have to say that I think Roach is basically going as far as he can in his statements without outright saying that Marquez got screwed. I think Roach honestly believes Marquez won that fight, and maybe not surprisingly, so did Amir Khan on the British broadcast. I think alot of the Manny people who watched the HBO broadcast would have seen the fight differently if they had seen the British stream (and I admit I might be biased because I watched that one).
The british stream was poor
I have never been fond of the commentators on Prime time, half they time they dont know what they are on about. I watched it on primetime live and i thought marquez got robbed. But watching it again on HBO i think the judges were right. Every time marquez threw a punch the prime time commentator was screaming his head off. (Also annoyed at how him and Amir would not SHUT UP during the ring entrances, they were ruining the whole drama of the event!)
I watched the fight with some friends who haven’t seen much boxing at all over the HBO broadcast, and even by the third round or so they were scratching their heads wondering what the HBO team was seeing in Manny Pacquiao that they weren’t.
by theninthlayer on Nov 14, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
By the time these guys get to #4, the fight will end up like Duran-SRL III. They will be so old they will need steel walkers to get up into the ring.
Both should retire now….FFS if they haven’t saved up enough dough to stop being punching bags they never will. Cut the enourages loose, and enjoy rest of your life. I’m speaking mainly about Marquez, who is older, but it applies to Pacman as well. I see a very bad beat down if Manny gets in there with Mayweather. Like Paterno, his legacy would get tarnished with our last image of him lying unconscious on the canvas.
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At 38 plus, how much more can he really give. I don’t mean that he is washed up but training is also brutal and also fights with decisions like this have to take their toll mentally and physically.
by RRod806 on Nov 13, 2011 7:50 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
To be honest no
No because Marquez needs to KO Pacman to get the win which is something plain dumb. If Marquez outboxes Pacquiao and STILL doesnt get the win what is the point?
HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE RANKINGS?
Will Pacquiao still be #1 even though he lost? I mean he lost, not on the scoredcards but he got outboxed and even embarrased especially through the first half. He was lounging horribly and missing and Marquez used side steps and he was looking elsewhere.
His head was looking to the canvas i the final rounds because of frustration; couldnt hit Marquez with his left hand and his “faboulous” right hand didnt damage Marquez.
How will this affect the rankings?
HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE RANKINGS?
Ours? TUNE IN MONDAY TO FIND OUT!
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by Scott Christ on Nov 13, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I voted yes. My opinion might change in the interim if other fights happen for those guys, but the bottom line for me is that that was straight up one of the most exciting and compelling fights I’ve seen this year and was a big breath of fresh air after some of more recent PPV/big fight duds. Regardless of who won or lost this one, and regardless of how a fourth fight would affect the final tally of their rivalry or their individual legacies, and whether or not it’s even in the best interest career-wise for either of them to make that fight, if that fourth fight is anything like the first three, that’ll be some good watchin’. That’s enough for me.
A fourth fight at this point proves nothing, there is nothing that JMM can do to beat Pacman and i’m a big believer that it’s not worth to play a rigged game or fight against corrupt judges.
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Someone said the equivalent of this in another thread...
Even IF the fight could be scored either way (which I don’t believe) it always seems to always go Manny’s way, regardless of actual performance.
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No, trilogy was enough
These two are so evenly matched I don’t think a clear cut winner will ever be determined in any of their fights.
by soulrise on Nov 14, 2011 8:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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