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Why Manny Pacquiao Can't Beat Juan Manuel Marquez

LAS VEGAS, NV - NOVEMBER 12:  (R-L) Juan Manuel Marquez throws a right to the body of Manny Pacquiao during the WBO world welterweight title fight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on November 12, 2011 in Las Vegas, Nevada.  (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

Lee Payton looks at just how Juan Manuel Marquez was able to neutralize Manny Pacquiao's explosive offensive skills.

We've been told for more than 7 years that Manny Pacquiao has major trouble with the style of Juan Manuel Marquez, but has anyone explained why?

Emmanuel Steward was too busy trying to be exactly right about everything to offer anything useful when he called the fights. Amir Khan was much more valuable during the international feed for the most recent fight in the stunningly even trilogy.

We know the Pac-Man is all about fistic mayhem, and it's clear that he is forced to think things over when he's in there with one of the sharpet counter punchers of all time. The basics have been covered.

I'm going to try to explain some of the finer details that created 36 rounds of incredibly intense combat, with a focus on what Marquez has done to tame the "wildcat".

Much of Dinamita's greatness starts with his feet. In my book, he is the best "toe-to-toe" fighter of this era. Usually when you heard that term, it's in reference to a slugger, or someone without a lot of craft in the ring. With Marquez, we're talking about classic stand-your-ground boxing. You'll notice that he is able to stay defensively responsible without excessive use of his legs. There's no dancing in there. Every step to the side, and every slide of the lead foot coming forward is small and efficient, specifically designed to keep the opponent off balance while staying in position to deliver offense.

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It's obvious to everyone who is familiar with the two fighters that Pacquiao is not nearly as active against Marquez as he is against everyone else. One reason for this is the fact that JMM is always "on the mark", or in position to counter with something that stings. However, I believe the main reason has been inexplicably overlooked, even though it was on display for 36 minutes on Saturday night.

With their experience, Nacho Beristain and his fighter noticed that you can keep the Filipino's devastating left hand in its holster much of the time simply by stepping in the opposite direction. The old technician brilliantly maneuvered his back foot clockwise all night, which kept him out of position to taste Manny's best punch. By turning to his left steadily, he made Pacquiao adjust his own feet constantly in search of a better angle to land a bomb.

Using superior footwork he was able to take Manny's best punch away from him for much of the fight, and since he wasn't standing straight up, or still, there was no danger of being overwhelmed by a storm. In the corner, Team Pacquiao were telling their man to cut the ring off by moving to his own right, which would disrupt what Marquez was trying to do, but instead he fell into the trap by following the matador in a circle. He helped Marquez take his best weapon out of the picture, for the most part. Without a clear home for his best punch Pacquiao was brought down to an activity level that is easier to handle.

Trainer Nazim Richardson also noticed the weakness and his fighter, Shane Mosley, was able to keep things calm against Pacquiao just by moving in the same direction, but in a more negative manner. Turn left and he can't get off nearly as many punches as he can versus a still, square target.

Turning away from Manny's dominant hand is not only the key to avoiding it, but it can also open him up for quick counters and true straight right hands that land up the middle. One of the keys to being a complete fighter is standing on an angle that keeps the opponent from being able to land his best punch, while you are in position to get off first, or counter a mistake. That's the genius in what Marquez does.

Seeing the Mexican Maestro handle the typhoon is nothing unusual by now, but in the past Pacquiao was able to even things up with shocking speed and concussive force. This time though, Marquez didn't get sucked into a machismo contest, and the result was his best defensive performance...maybe ever. He turned Pacquiao completely around simply by getting low and changing the angle of his back foot more than 90 degrees, sometimes getting an "Olé!" from the Mexican portion of the crowd. Marquez proved he could stay off the canvas against Pacquiao this time, but unfortunately he was not rewarded for his discipline.

Manny Pacquiao has definitely improved in many areas from the first time they fought. He has better balance, he hits harder with the right and you can't expect to win by forcing him backward like the old days. That said, his right hand was a non-factor again and no matter how you slice it, he must land big left hands to have a chance of making a significant impact on a fighter as tough and classy as Juan Manuel. He was never allowed to be in position to land that "A" punch, so he had to create it himself with his fast feet. Shooting in (to close the distance quickly) with straight left is his oldest trick in the book, and one that the young version could perform at a crazy pace for 12 rounds.

So in a sense, Marquez successfully turned him back into the fiery one-handed gunslinger, but this was a 32 year old welterweight version who doesn't carry as many bullets as he used to into a showdown. I'm not saying he's falling apart physically, or anything like that. He looked strong and fast to me without an ounce of fat on him, but it's completely natural for a fighter to slow down over time. To his credit he added other skills so that he wouldn't be so predictable, but his bread and butter is still that one familiar move and he doesn't seem to have the same amount of wind-ups in him these days.

All credit to Marquez for hanging with the genetic freak at 38 years old with good old fashioned boxing know-how. No matter who you think had the upper hand in the trilogy, I think it's clear that Juan Manuel Marquez is the more intelligent, technically proficient fighter, and I don't see that changing any time soon. He had Pacquiao on a leash last Saturday night.

I'm sure the auto-defense in response to this piece will be "Pac is 2-0-1 against JMM!!" and that's fine. Even if you think Pacquiao won all 3 (I have it 1-0-2 JMM), there wasn't one clear victory for him, and that's the point. Marquez has been tactically superior during the majority of the time they've spent lumping each other up and that's why many people think he got the better of things, myself included.

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Manny already beat marquez twice already

Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS

by battle axe of doom on Nov 14, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

scratch that second "already"

Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS

by battle axe of doom on Nov 14, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good article but this could have been usefull before the match, one of the reasons I was so confident that JMM would beat Manny again is because of the fact that’s he is so smart and learns from his past mistakes. Obviously JMM skills and brains were discounted by many so called experts but anyone who didn’t get sucked into the Pacman hype knew that already.

"@bigfootsilva, I want to tell you a joke so funny it will make your head grow. It goes like this..Oh wait, I see you have already heard it." -Chael Sonnen

by Raker on Nov 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

I did write something defending JMM's chances

and made the case for him, but it was probably over a month ago.

Actually picked the fight to end in a draw.

by Lee Payton on Nov 14, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yes you did

Hell, just before the fight the few of us who thought he’d go the distance and clearly lose were considered bonkers by many. I thought re-watching the first two fights late last week “psyched me out,” but I went with the distance. Turns out they just educated and reminded.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Than good for you and i’m sorry I missed that article because for months i’ve been looking for people who didn’t buy the Manny is going to dominate JMM line of thinking. And those people were few and far between, funny how apparently calling people out on that now is a problem.

"@bigfootsilva, I want to tell you a joke so funny it will make your head grow. It goes like this..Oh wait, I see you have already heard it." -Chael Sonnen

by Raker on Nov 15, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

good but misleading

Pacman defeated JMM twice. Judges told us so. Should your subject read like “why pacman could not dominate JMM” or “why JMM always fell short”.

by Bodj Parras on Nov 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

Judges also told us that Williams beat Lara.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Nov 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Judges told us Toney beat Tiberi.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, I made a comment similar to this one to this guy in another thread… I’m amazed he still believes in the infallibility of the judges

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Judges told us Chavez beat Whitaker…this is the wrong site to tell us what the judges said.

by tacklerford on Nov 15, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

and you are talking about a single fight. Three high profile fights is too good to compare to single ordinary fight.

by Bodj Parras on Nov 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Well, we also gave examples of fights where there should have been no argument. Both guys had arguments in these fights. I just personally rankle at the idea that “judges told us so, so it is so.” If you just want to look at the records, there are other web sites for that.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, I am taking back the “judges told us so” statement. The subject discredits the effort of pacman against JMM. It is now way fair to say that he cannot defeat JMM.

by Bodj Parras on Nov 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I mainly watch MMA and thus rarely understand the intricacy and nuance of boxing, but this is a really cool breakdown even I can understand. Good job sir.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Nov 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

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