Pacquiao vs Marquez: Naazim Richardson's Blueprint Talk Wasn't Just Talk
I was thinking last night of Naazim Richardson's quote back in May where he said something to the effect of, "The only thing Shane Mosley did tonight was give everyone a blueprint on how to beat Manny Pacquiao."
I was going to write something about that this morning, and then I read that Richardson had offered his thoughts on Saturday's Pacquiao vs Marquez fight to Chris Robinson of the Examiner, so here's what the man himself had to say:
"Taking nothing away from Pacquiao, he’s a phenomenal fighter, and probably the most dangerous cat in the game, especially in any of those weights lower than Klitschko, but Marquez is another level of boxing. Marquez is Alexi Arguello, Marquez is Ricardo Lopez. He’s the little professor, Azumah Nelson. ... You can easily go back and watch Shane Mosley box Pacquiao and you see him get hurt and you wonder why he never gets hurt again. And if you just watch the fight and once you see that, every fighter is going to apply that method. Marquez did it in this fight and everybody else is going to do it. And once that’s revealed, eventually it’s just a matter of a timeline. It’s whether Freddie is going to make adjustments to the guy because it’s hard because the defect he has, he’s had since he’s been boxing."
I think it's fair to say that Naazim, who is a tactical genius of a trainer just like Roach or Nacho Beristain, was on to something in May.
Though it may have been running, since Mosley didn't do much throwing back, Shane did show that Pacquiao isn't so amazing when faced with someone who can move around the ring. When an opponent can limit his punch output, Manny doesn't look so totally invincible. CompuBox totals for Manny's fights since going up to welterweight:
| Opponent | Punches Thrown | Per Round |
|---|---|---|
| Oscar De La Hoya | 585 | 73.1 |
| Ricky Hatton | 127 | 63.5 |
| Miguel Cotto | 780 | 68.5* |
| Joshua Clottey | 1,231 | 102.6 |
| Antonio Margarito | 1,069 | 89.1 |
| Shane Mosley | 727 | 60.6 |
| Juan Manuel Marquez | 578 | 48.2 |
* This is only counting the first 11 rounds. Pacquiao also threw 26 punches in 55 seconds in round 12 before the referee stopped the fight.
I think we can say fairly that Pacquiao was at his most physically dominant -- his fastest, his sharpest, his most powerful -- in the Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto fights.
After that, you have two different Mannys, and they rely on the opponents' strategies. Neither Clotty nor Margarito were movers. Clottey chose to make himself a wall, standing still and allowing Pacquiao to bang! bang! bang! away at his forearms, while Margarito chose to make his face a wall. Margarito moved a bit more than Clottey, stalking and trying to trap Manny on the ropes, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Antonio's performance in that fight isn't remembered for his footwork.
Mosley, on the other hand, used his feet. Yes, it was largely in avoidance of further contact, but he did it, and Pacquiao got a much publicized leg cramp. However it came about, either through age or the inability to move as well as he used to, Manny was slowed down, and as his output dropped, so did the explosive nature of his offense when it's firing on all cylinders, when he has an opponent who obliges and lets him work away with rat-tat-tat combinations.
Marquez upped the ante by actually adding his own offense. He made Pacquiao chase, which Mosley did, but also threw punches and didn't shy away from actually being in a fight, unlike Mosley. In the end, I think Naazim Richardson had tried to work off of some of the things that Marquez did with Pacquiao in their first two fights, but Mosley couldn't execute it properly. It sounds insane now, but I think Richardson felt on fight night that Mosley could have won -- felt so during the fight. But Shane was too old, trigger shy, and worn out to make it happen.
Marquez and Beristain used their own familiar game plan, new evidence, and maybe a little bit of the Richardson/Mosley plan, if not its failure to launch, in what they did on Saturday.
The "secret" is now out, though, and as Richardson says, it's up to Pacquiao's team to try to find some way to fix the flaw, or else fighters are going to be working off of this game plan for as long as Pacquiao continues to fight. Whether Manny Pacquiao can be changed at age 32 is another story.
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He is talking specifically about what my story is all about...
turning away from Manny’s left hand. He talked about how Manny isn’t dangerous when you “move to that side”, though he’s not trying to let the "secret out. It shouldn’t be a secret anymore.
It is no coincidence that Marquez moved in the same direction all night long.
It’s not about just moving. Cotto did that. His problem is he just moves around, then plants, then moves again. It’s not professional footwork at a high level. He alsoo has no right hand.
Roach made a comment after the fight
saying Manny followed JMM, moving the wrong way all night. Said he knew it was gonna be a long night from the first round when he saw Manny doing exactly what he told him not to do. Apparently they worked on it during the whole camp and yet Manny didn’t work to JMM’s left side at all.
Roach knows what the problem is. I dunno if his fighter can fix it.
Picture an above view of the ring. JMM is turning his back foot clockwise, which takes him away from Manny’s left. Makes Manny have to reach or keep searching.
What Roach wants is for Manny to cut him off on the other side. Beat JMM to the spot, so he can throw a stright left down the middle. He can “stop the clock” by keeping his foot on the outside (or right side) of JMM’s lead left foot.
He didn’t do that. He followed JMM like a dog on a leash, so he had to try to make things happen using his explosiveness. Made things much harde on himself.
That small change in tactics cold mean a big difference in a 4th fight.
Ariza is trying to make it all about physical stuff cuz that’s his job.
PAC TACTICS
Your right on Lee, and so is Brother Nasim. Ariza is full of it. This fight was about boxing technique. Manny was reluctant to take chances because he was being out positioned and he felt Marquez punch. I was real surprised that Manny didn’t work the right hook alot, that’s the shot that he didn’t have in previous Marquez fights. I thought Manny would be feinting the straight left and unloading the right hook upstairs. Great fighters make these adjustments during the fight. Manny also needs to work on his infighting, this has been neglected for a guy who has alot of power in the pocket.
I was going to say this about Richardson's quote yesterday
I had been thinking about this ever since I saw the clip where he was telling Mosley this during the fight. Mosley surviving was a blueprint to beating Manny. You move to his strong hand and counter. He loves to exchange. Which is another reason in boxing circles about critique him not fighting a slick African-American fighter. The race isn’t important, but the slickness is.
meant you move away from his strong hand
by tacklerford on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Was anyone else as SHOCKED as I was at how effective
Marquez looked at welterweight. It was a major surprise to me. Most critics before the fight saw the size being the decisive factor for why Pacquiao would win. Frankly, the size might have been the decisive factor for why Pacquiao looked so mediocre in there. Marquez not only could take Manny’s punches better but his own punches were more powerful and as a result he was able to keep Manny at bay.
conditioning
it’s why i think he should fight mayweather again… marquez in the mayweather fight was mostly just water and fat; marquez in the pacman fight was solid and actually looked like he put on quality weight.
You cannot walk if you fear to crush the ant in your wake.
Still ends up the same way
Mayweather won’t open up, and JMM needs to use his step-counter to be really effective in a fight. Manny just happens to have the perfect style for JMM to be really effective. Bait, step out at angles, counter. PBF is far too defensive for JMM, as JMMs counter-punching is predicated on combinations and action from both fighters. If both guys really do what they are best at against eachother, it will be JMM having to open up the volleys, and a bigger PBF countering him all day.
marquez has always been about as close to stylistic kryptonite for pacman as there is. since PBF won’t take a chance on pacman’s high workrate, b/c PBF wants to dance, shuck, jive, and pick his spots.
considering only guys with good jabs have troubled PBF, i’m still surprised he doesn’t take the fight.
it’s thebiggest money fight there is for PBF…if he won’t fight it, he doesn’t feel confident he can win, and getting wobbled by Mosley didn’t help those fears for PBF either.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions
have you been sleeping under a rock?
Isn’t it so obvious Bob Arum doesn’t want this fight.
How many B.S excuses hasn’t he used of why the fight hasn’t happen.
Excuses like “Mayweather is a racist so it could hurt Manny’s political career”!!!?!?!?!?!
If that isn’t obvious excuse i don’t know what is
by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Similar to Felons #1 and #2
Claiming that Manny is cheater. This entire debacle has been ugly from the start, and the Mayweather camp have given as good as they’ve taken.
How can anyone defend Bob Arum?
If you truly are a Pac fan you should hate the guy.
He is bleeding Pac of his money.
22 mil? more like 5 after the taxes and Bob have had there taste.
Nobody in there right mind seeing Bobs behavior towards this fight cant fall for his bullshit.
But people are naive, thinking he is part of the “good guys” cus he’s promoting PAcquiao.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
All of the guys Pacquaio has fought recently were either straight ahead kinda guys or guys that just stood there (Clottey, De La Hoya). He can use his speed advantage a lot more vs guys who just stand there, or slowly prod forward vs someone who knows how to move and box.
This goes back to the criticism of Pac never having fought a slick black fighter. IIRC it was Nazim Richardson trained Bernard Hopkins among others who said that a slick black american boxer would be the style to beat Pacquiao.
#1 Devon Alexander hater
I feel Arum knew this from jump street...
I will say this, Manny is a great fighter, but Arum might have created the greatest hype-job ever!
That is what promoters do.
But you are being a cynic. Manny still gets in the ring and fights the best guys out there. Now perhaps that says more about the state of boxing than anything else. There simply aren’t a ton of great challenges for anyone at the top.
He wont change
Whether Manny Pacquiao can be changed at age 32 is another story.
Not going to happen. Once you’ve been boxing for a certain amount of time, most bad habits just become so ingrained, it’s very very hard to change them. When guys change trainers the only thing I look for them to do differently is have a better strategy from fight to fight. I don’t look for guys to change techniques or develop new ones. When ODH started training with Mayweather Sr, I remember the HBO guys commenting on his “new right hand”, which still stunk as bad as his old right hand, and his awkard use of the shell and shoulder rolls, which also looked very bad.
You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
Very interesting
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions
its so simple yet its funny how no one really did it before
Should never walk into Pacquiaos big left
Richardson is on point.
He also wanted Shane to step out to his left (Manny’s right) at angles so Manny couldn’t find his range with the right jab before he leveled the Left hand. The issue has always been, if you step to his right, and stay to close, he puts you down (as he can bounce into his shots and change the angle of his punches while he circles). Most guys don’t have the stamina to move out, back, out, back all fight while maintaining enough offense to take rounds, so they inevitably sit in the pocket or take shortcuts in the later rounds and get blitzed. JMM started to fade as Manny turned it up, but he has the ring IQ to make up for a lack of movement (with smart, timed counters).
I think Richardson was giving himself way too much credit. Marquez was using lateral movement to limit Pacquiao’s output and nullify the left in the first two fights; this wasn’t something he and Beristain just discovered after the Mosley bout. Hell even Morales did it to some extent in his win over Pacquiao, following the “blueprint” of the later rounds of the first Marquez fight.
Yup
There’s a reason Morales watched that fight as many times as he did.
This won't be a stylsitic flaw against PBF
Mayweather shells, and shoulder rolls left anyway. The problem is, Manny’s “bounce bounce 1,1-2” will put his face right in the way of a shoulder roll counter right.
Nazim is giving himself way too much credit, and Pacquiao is way over analyzed. Most fighters look bad against Good Counter Punchers, hell Marquez looks bad against B Class Counter Punchers, Chris John, Freddie Norwood, ring a bell? Marquez missed a lot of punches too, he was 32% when his last fights have been in the 50% to 40% range.
People say that the cramp issue is an excuse, but you can see it on the showtime broadcast, after Pac knocked down Shane and is a head on all score cards, complaining about a Cramp.
I really get annoyed, when hearing these talks about Marquez being a boxing genius. There’s one thing he is horrible at, and that’s fighting decent Counter Punchers, and as evidence by Floyd, absolutely clue-less against a Great One. He’s a one trick pony, and is lucky that the Pound 4 Pound best fighter is a stylistic plus for him. Put Marquez in against aggressive boxer punchers or all action fighters, and he looks fantastic, against sleek counter punchers, not so much.

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