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Mayweather vs Pacquiao: Floyd Finally Takes Upper Hand in Ongoing Press Battle

Manny Pacquiao's public approval rating has taken a bit of a hit the last three days. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

After three years of talking and taunting, grand boasts, failed negotiations and attempts to gain the upper hand by both sides, it looks like we've reached a turning point: Floyd Mayweather Jr may be winning the press battle against Team Pacquiao, and it might be getting a little one-sided.

Let me make this clear to start: This is mostly not about Manny Pacquiao. The two fighters have both spoken less than their representatives. For Manny, it's been Bob Arum, Freddie Roach, and even Alex Ariza. For Floyd, we've had Leonard Ellerbe yapping a lot, plus Golden Boy heads Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya, who would co-promote the fight even though Floyd doesn't officially work for them.

Pacquiao has long been pressed by media to "call out" Mayweather, to make a bold stand. "Yes, I want to fight him," is what we've wanted Pacquiao to say. But the best he's ever mustered up in that regard is, "Let's give the people what they want." It's the same, but it's not.

Now, Mayweather has also never really clearly stated, "I want to fight Manny Pacquiao. I want Manny Pacquiao!" Like Pacquiao, he's said it, but he hasn't. More often, Ellerbe says that Floyd said it. But Mayweather, whose team is savvier and less blunt than Arum in particular, has made a greater declaration of desire than Team Pacquiao.

One statement in particular gets Pacquiao criticized over and over: "I'll fight whoever Bob Arum/Top Rank/my promoter puts in front of me."

Yes, we know. But shouldn't the money man pull the strings? If he wants Mayweather, why doesn't he force the issue?

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The spin today is all Mayweather, quite frankly, and Manny and Co. are reeling on the ropes. Top Rank has officially told the other side they won't be negotiating to have Pacquiao fight Mayweather on May 5, opting instead to try to make a fourth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez. There are ways to understand this, and yet it's still so easy to just say, "Well, that's it. Top Rank clearly doesn't want this fight."

That's exactly what Team Mayweather is saying right now, too. From ESPN.com:

"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."

... "In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is."

Arum, in his own defense, says that there's no reason to sit down with Mayweather right now, as they are focused on making a fourth Marquez fight. That's a fair enough point, but it doesn't answer the question of why they're so dead-set focused on making a fourth Marquez fight instead of facing Mayweather.

Yes, Pacquiao vs Marquez III was very competitive, fairly controversial, and an exciting fight. But it's still worth far less money than Manny vs Floyd, and the public demand is much, much lower.

If it's a case of Manny Pacquiao demanding to set the record straight with Marquez in yet another fight, then OK -- but why has he never outright demanded that the fight with Mayweather be made?

The Mayweather side has convinced the majority of the public at this point that this fight is not being made because of one man: Bob Arum. Either Arum doesn't want to line Floyd's pockets thanks to their nasty grudge, or Arum just plain doesn't want the fight, and you can call that fear if you want to.

Manny Pacquiao's PR stock has taken a hit the last three days, among a lot of boxing fans. He is right now at his most questionable, in and out of the ring. Some isn't his fault. Some might be. But that's the way it is today.

And Mayweather, finally, has taken the advantage in their eternal press battle. He no longer is playing the bad guy, as the sides are becoming shades of grey.

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Am I the only one that thinks this fight completely lost its luster? It’ll be a one-sided beat down. Won’t it? Why would the public not want to watch a more competitive fourth installment of Manny/Marquez than Floyd winning 12 lopsided rounds against Manny? What’s the fun in that?

by rantcatrat on Nov 15, 2011 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

This is exactly why I think the fourth Marquez fight is being pushed so hard. As it stands, nobody believes Pacquiao can fight Mayweather, and to be honest I don’t think Pacquiao or his team can have much confidence that they’d take him either. Everybody thinks Marquez won the fight last Saturday, and I think Pacquiao and Roach believe it deep down too.

by theninthlayer on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one that thinks this fight completely lost its luster?

probably not!

It’ll be a one-sided beat down. Won’t it?

maybe, but Marquez and Mayweather are not the same fighter. Besides, who’s any better as a Mayweather opponent?

Why would the public not want to watch a more competitive fourth installment of Manny/Marquez than Floyd winning 12 lopsided rounds against Manny?

because the public has been sold Mayweather vs Pacquiao for three years and they still want the fight. Why would the public want to buy Katy Perry albums instead of something better? Because they do and she has a nice rack. The comparison in marketability and money in Mayweather vs Pacquiao and Pacquiao vs Marquez IV is not even close. People on sites like ours might say “Damn I don’t even care anymore,” but we’re not the target. We’ll buy fuckin Mayweather vs Marquez II if they make it.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll buy fuckin Mayweather vs Marquez II if they make it

So true and so sad, I guys that’s why we are not casual fans.

by leo_solis on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only that, but I’d try to find some way to rationalize it as a good fight. I’m that insane! I’d watch that first fight and look for MOMENTS.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping

while watching the fight that I thought was going to be a dramatic Marquez win would lead him to calling out Floyd again. That’s how my twisted mind was working

by tacklerford on Nov 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess so, even more after seeing the Marquez that fought Manny, I would rationalize it as saying Marquez would be physically much better, they could add some clause to make sure Floyd doesn’t rehydrate too much overnight and meets the contracted weight. Of course Floyd’s style is still all wrong for Marquez size disadvantage or not.

by leo_solis on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems like Manny can't win here, though

If he goes for the Mayweather fight, he’s ducking a rematch with Marquez. If he fights Marquez for a 4’th time, he’s ducking Floyd. Personally, I get the feeling that Manny isn’t afraid to fight anyone, but i’m also not the most knowledgable about boxing.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering that Marquez has not asked for a rematch, I’d say there’s no ducking involved. They are the ones pursuing him.

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

By that precedent,

Manny called Floyd out in the post- fight interview and can’t be ducking him.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmm I don’t really understand what you said there. The Marquez rematch is a fabrication of Arum. Marquez has not called out Manny for another rematch (in fact, when asked about it post fight he said he didn’t really know if he wanted to keep fighting), therefore if Manny decided to fight someone else instead of Marquez, nobody could really say Manny is dodging a fight Marquez hasn’t asked for.

However, in the case of Mayweather there is, supposedly, two way interest. Manny “calls out” Floyd in the post fight interview, and Mayweather’s team had already said they were interested in fighting Manny, so by saying “we’re not going to negotiate a fight with Mayweather”, Manny is, essentially, saying he doesn’t want the fight, at least right now.

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes, it’s Arum, but ultimately Manny holds the power.

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

But lets be clear, stopping negotiations with Floyd, when he said he is ready to fight Manny, is a duck though. They could have scheduled the rematch for the end of next year.

by Clove_art on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why won't Arum sit down and negotiate?

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

cus he hates Mayweathers guts

And he knows that there is a big chance that his biggest cashcow will get dominated.
Can you blame him? No he will milk Manny some more then cash him out against Floyd

by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

That will probably be the following year at this rate. Maybe the end of 2013. I’ll be surprised if he throws Manny at Floyd after another hellish fight with Marquez, if it gets made.

by Clove_art on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He should negotiate

And then say no negotiations took place. ZING!

"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins

by erod on Nov 16, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, that May-Pac is still boxing's biggest rack.

There’s nothing else that my generalist sports fan friends even knows exists-much like the way your average suburban teenage girl relates to musical history.

by Slowka on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I buy Mayweather fight not 'cause their good and entertaining

but because he has a nice rack.

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by Chris Sarda on Nov 16, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Sergio Martinez at 54

That is who Floyd could fight or Amir Khan although not in his next fight because it would be his first at welterweight.

by rantcatrat on Nov 16, 2011 6:49 AM EST up reply actions  

lop sided decision?? beatdown?? nooo

by thekid100 on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a note, Manny did say in his post-fight interview: “Mayweather, let’s get it on” … I think that’s as direct as Manny can be in this situation. Granted, he was visibly shaken by the inmense booing going on, but still, he said something.

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

But, yeah, Arum did him no favours by flat out telling them he’s not even willing to meet. Have I said that I loathe Bob Arum? =) And Scott, yeah, I know other promoters are really bad too (I have an inmense dislike for Oscar de la Hoya as well), but this guy just annoys me more. I think Bob Arum is the incarnation of everything that is wrong with this world, I honestly believe this.

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a note, Manny did say in his post-fight interview: "Mayweather, let’s get it on"

I know. I don’t think much of that since all of two days later the negotiations were a no-go. I think he just sort of said some stuff. He wasn’t comfortable.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, you’re right. This is what Freddie Roach had to say about it:

“Bob has to give Manny what he wants. If Manny says, ‘I want Mayweather,’ Bob will have to give him Mayweather. He needs to be pushy. He’s got to step up and tell (Arum) who he wants to fight.”

via MMA Mania

Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

by Apprentice on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He wants Marquez

He was dissatified with his performance, a generally commendable thing. Moreover he is offering Marquez a re-match that he isn’t contractually bound to have. If Arum gives it to him, you have to understand that as Manny’s choice.

Frankly, I can make an easy arguement that Manny is being foolishly emotional and making a fight where he has a tremendous chance of finally losing. I mean who gives an opponent four chances to do wht the judges have three times said he failed to do before. I might say a fool. I will say a awarrior….and a people pleaser.

Smart business, I’m frankly not so sure.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

That Bob is pursuing the 4th fight with JMM sounds nice....

Problem is he made excuses weeks before the fight on why Pac shouldn’t fight Mayweather next.
Bob had Bradley lined up after JMM and said the may 5th date was just Mayweather seeking attention.

by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Erik Morales was already called by GB to make the Mayweather fight …. before this fight.

The noise from both camp is posturing.
Nothing more.

Pac wants Marquez and what he wants, I believe he will get.
We shall see.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Erik Morales was already called by GB to make the Mayweather fight …. before this fight.

That was already proven to be hoax and ridiculous rumor born from mistranslation.

Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.

by battlestar on Nov 16, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Morales later said he was indeed probed to determine his interest. He was like, “Yeah, sure.” But there was no real offer or anything, and Mayweather almost surely is not interested in fighting Morales.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

There are no real offers anywhere that we know of

Morales however was definitely contacted by Golden Boy.

As I said, it is all posturing until the contracts are signed.

After being the spokesman who outright denied that previous negotiations had taken place only to be embarrassingly contradicted by Kizer and Ross Greenburg, both of whom said they had, Leonard Ellerbe deserves to be at the top of the list of people without real power talking out of heir asses,

Alex Ariza should be second on that list.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

True,

that’s what the crux of the real story was, if they asked Morales and he said yes, it was not that they were gonna run to Mayweather and present this fight. It was more of a “What fighter wouldn’t want to fight Mayweather? (Virtually) every fighter would say yes for that payday.” But it wasn’t anything that was remotely real or of serious (or any) interest on Mayweather’s side.

Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.

by battlestar on Nov 16, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, Floyd and TR would be foolish not to have other options lined up

The fight between them and the failed attempts to make a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao would lead any good businessmen, which both are, to pursue other options.

Floyd never specifically said he wanted Manny on May 5th. Ellerbe said ’the little man". So take it for what it is, posturing for position and leverage. And attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure they checked out Morales…and I suspect, or hope, others as well. As I am sure they will continue to do so.

One thing is for sure. They did not seek Manny before the fight
Talikng about and around an opponent is not negotiating with his team. It is grandstanding, a normal part of boxing promotion.
But not serious negotiiation.

As for Arum, he spent two weeks with a mike in his face, and we all know he will say anything to promote the fight in front of him that day. And that he did. Very wekl in fact.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

other options sure...

But none will add up to that big of a payday. They will fight eventually. When Arum thinks there is no money left, then he will risk manny for that cool 50 mil. And who knows when that will be.

by Clove_art on Nov 16, 2011 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Same with the other camp

But I am not convinced either has the real motivation as all of their options are so lucrative. Floyd is a huge fight revenue machine, no matter who he fights. Manny is a global brand who along with huge purses for fighting is rolling up endoresments that will pay him long into retirement.

Men with lined pockets pick their battles differently.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Answering the call of mayweather for a fight with pacquiao does not suit Arum well. For one mayweather camp alread is trying to dictate the terms of the fight by having the date and the location for the fight.

Also after 2 failed negotiations, one of which is denied by mayweather’s camp, I think Arum really need to have somebody else from top rank negotiating with the Mayweathers.

The fact also that marquez is a legitimate and feasible opponent for Pacquiao, Arum thinks that he has the upperhand in this negotiation.

by DXB Jerome on Nov 16, 2011 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

This is the best time

 to negotiate with Floyds team, as they are very vocal and receptive to the fight now. Manny’s calling out Floyd, loses meaning because Bob’s statement. And he is not helping Manny at all, after a life and death fight against a guy, Floyd schooled for 12 rounds a few years ago.

by inkrew on Nov 16, 2011 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

I’m one of the people who are less interested in a MayPac fight. Not because I don’t think it’d be good or because I don’t want an answer to the best pound for pound question, but because I think there are other interesting fights to see too, that don’t involve these three years of hubabaloo…

I’d like to see Mayweather fight someone naturally a lot bigger than him, like Sergio Martinez, if they could agree on some catch weight. I’d also like to see him fight Amir Khan, especially if we can get Amir at the top of his game, I think he’d give Floyd trouble.

On the Manny side, I would tear up if I saw another JMM fight but I’d also like to see him go up against Bradley.

MayPac is the best, but the cost in all hoopla and then talking to surface level boxing fans that take a side like this is some kind of crip/blood gang and become grating. There’s lots of boxing to be had in the Welterweight division today and tomorrow, a year or two ago there wasn’t, but now there is.

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by Chris Sarda on Nov 16, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

You are not alone. Many of us here and elsewhere have wondered about the expiring shelf life of THE fight.

Personally, I think it would be great….but it is not as if either fighter is truly at their absolute peak.
And they sure as hell ain’t getting any younger.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Nov 16, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

NOPE

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Funny how the Mayweather camp is suddenly singing a different tune. Where were they when Pac was on a roll??
I don’t feel bad they blew their chance at a zillion dollars. That matchup has lost its fan appeal, most fans don’t care about Mayweather. Pac hasn’t had a bad outing in awhile, he just like the rest of us, very human. Let’s not be too hard on him.

by JZZY on Nov 16, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Huh?

I don’t know, seemed like a lot of fans cared to buy Mayweather v. Ortiz…

Just to determine the level of your Pacquiao blind spot, are you at least conceding that the “it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck” line applies to Pacquiao’s choice to pursue Marquez IV instead of Mayweather?

by Jay Smith on Nov 16, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I went from really wanting this fight, to wanting it but not looking to lose sleep over it if it didn’t happen, to being indifferent to it, to no longer wanting to see it (though of course I’ll watch it if it happens.) After Saturday’s fight in which Pacqiuao looked less than superheroic, and thinking back to the Clottey and Mosley bouts in which he was never able to satisfyingly break through to two larger guys unwilling to engage him, I figure a Pac/May fight to be a bust.

I’d previously thought and hoped that the buzz around his fight and the animosity that has built between the two would add an extra edge to the proceedings and that Mayweather might be willing to take more risks than usual to really put it on Manny and leave no questions unanswered, or that Manny would be so amped up that he’d be able to crack Floyd’s defensive shell in a way we haven’t seen before, but that no longer seems realistic. What I imagine now is Floyd only tightening that shell, Manny never really being able to get to him in a significant or consistent way, and Floyd just sliding that goddamned right hand out and grinding Manny down, round after round, for a long, awkward, boring night with no real fireworks to speak of, followed up by a post-fight presser in which Floyd tells us all that this definitively proves that he’s the greatest of all times and that he could have beaten prime Ray Leonard AND Ray Robinson back to back in a day night double header, and on and on.

I can think of better ways to spend sixty bucks, and think there should be enough compelling stories in 2012 to make this one inessential.

by Adam Shea on Nov 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

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