Chavez vs Manfredo: Live Results and Round-By-Round Coverage (Plus Pacquiao vs Marquez Replay)
by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:08 PM EST
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Note: Before the main card begins tonight on HBO, Top Rank is streaming the undercard from Reliant Arena in Houston. Click here for more info.
Tonight, HBO has a big block of boxing including a series premiere, a big fight replay, and a live bout for the WBC middleweight title. Here's the lineup:
- Cotto vs Margarito 24/7 (10 p.m. EST)
- Pacquiao vs Marquez III replay (10:30 p.m. EST)
- Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Peter Manfredo Jr
Chavez vs Manfredo is the live fight, it's going last. Early estimate for a start time is about 11:15, but it will probably be on at 11:30 or so. Still, I'd recommend tuning in at 11 if you aren't interested in seeing the Pacquiao vs Marquez replay, and just waiting it out from there. Mute may help.
Chavez (43-0-1, 30 KO) is the heavy favorite tonight against Manfredo (37-6, 20 KO), and the fight has met some criticism as an HBO main event. Chavez, 25, made his HBO debut in June, defeating Sebastian Zbik to win that WBC belt. He did good ratings, so he's back. But Manfredo being approved as an HBO opponent is also being questioned, and really, it's fair enough.
Still, I'm expecting an entertaining, fun fight to watch. Neither of them are "action stars," but they're both guys who come to fight and it could get interesting if Manfredo is really on his game.
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Miguel Cotto: “I’m a better fighter today than before Margarito. Because the passion of this sport has come back to me.”
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Javier Capetillo: “I will always say, here I am. And I’m not guilty of anything. And neither is Margarito.”
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Margarito was “most avoided man in boxing” according to the narrative. Funny, I remember him losing to Williams 1 yr before Cotto fight.
Bad Left Hook
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Anyone who thinks Margarito isn’t thoroughly embracing this villain role is crazy. He grimaces like Pacino in Scarface constantly.
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And doing a good job at it to
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Nov 19, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed. I mean if you hated him before, you’ll REALLY hate him now.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Capetillo: “Cotto is selling it. … That’s what he’s doing.”
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Look at Margarito and that coke smuggler/Justin Bieber haircut. Jesus Christ. If this wasn’t such a serious situation, he’d be hilarious.
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HBO just got a GREAT close-up on Margarito’s right eye. It looks like it came from a different body.
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Margariots Face
After the news broke of the suspicious wraps. He looked like the police just pulled him over and he was going to jail. This was during Mosley ordeal. Now. Theatrics. The question remains. Will he bring it like he has in the past.
Brandon Rios: “I’m a clown, I’m a goof. I talk a lot of shit. I play around a lot.”
Margarito on Rios: “I think Brandon removes stress from everyone with his clowning.”
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Miguel Cotto: “My father? He was everything. He was the person who woke me up every morning, no matter if I don’t want to wake up.”
Bad Left Hook
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Even the way they’re shooting Margarito – slumped down in his chair, in a jogging suit, like a gangster. Smug expression, smug words
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Margarito just smoked him. He’s truly unlikeable. He comes off literally like a smug criminal laughing at everyone.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
And he didn’t have to burn any dollar bills or run around in circles going PEE PEE! PEE PEE! to do it.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I can see your point. However, before the Cotto win he was wearing wranglers and cheap ass T-Shirts. Now he’s all greased up like he should be doing a song with Gucci Mane & Lil’ Wayne.
Exactly. If the whole situation here wasn’t so serious, I’d be in awe of him and find him hilariously awesome. He’s gone full throttle.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
He sure did. And it wasn’t even close
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Nov 19, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
With the grown out hair and ridiculous sunglasses, Margarito is a dead ringer for Muammar Gaddafi.
by Chris Celletti on Nov 20, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking the same.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, HBO. Put another Pacquiao poll on the internet. Those always have legit results.
Bad Left Hook
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By he way anybody know if the Monteil fight happen yet?
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Don’t think so.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Omotoso beat Tyner 79-73, 79-73, 78-74. Good reviews for both from what I’m hearing.
Bad Left Hook
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Re-read the commentary above on the Cotto/Margarito 24/7. Was thinking the same things...
Very happy to feel my pulse quicken a bit for a big time fight that doesn’t feature Floyd or Manny. Bring it on.
happy to feel my pulse quicken a bit for a big time fight that doesn’t feature Floyd or Manny
Great point. Although I wonder if Margarito may be shot after the beating he took from Manny, and that therefore we may be being sold a bill of goods. Can’t go wrong with the undercard though.
by geraldmcgrew on Nov 19, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoy tactical, high-level boxing, so I enjoy them. But the fights don’t compare in pure action to the three best trilogies of the new century (Barrera-Morales, Ward-Gatti, Vazquez-Marquez), IMO.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
And I know Izzy-Rafael wasn’t a trilogy since they had that sham of a fourth fight, but I functionally refuse to acknowledge that.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I've enjoyed the odd tactical fight, myself.
For instance, I’m almost embarrassed to say I remember enjoying watching Haye v Valuev, of all things. Maybe mostly out of joy to see someone put that abomination to pasture…
I’ll be the first to say I have an irrational indifference to this rivalry. I just don’t find the fights interesting.
by davecwright on Nov 19, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
While it may be irrational, and I disagree, I can indeed see the reasoning.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
In what way?
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Nov 19, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, I saw the Pac/Marquez fight originally with the international commentators, I can’t stand this HBO commentary… wow, they’re just watching an entirely different fight
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
the best Cotto quote from earlier, btw
“Margarito is not a gentleman. He’s not a man. My dog is more of a person than him.”
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One thing I do enjoy
After a clench: Manny’s gingerly extended glove, quickly retracted to start fighting.
No bro-hugs here.
I loved that anti-bro-hug piece BLF linked to here after the Mayweather-Ortiz debacle.
Chavez up to 179 tonight, says Chris Mannix.
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I like the new camera angles on the commentators
Interesting to see how Joltin’ Jim (God I hope that sticks: well started, Scott) looks right at his colleagues to set them up. Maybe he has more control than we think and Kellerman’s quiet spell (commented on last week, I think?) was Joltin’ imposing his iron will.
Ok, let's say Floyd beats Manny 10 times out of 10
But pick any possible opponent for either guy and I’d rather see Manny fight him. Who wouldn’t say that Manny/Ortiz is a bad fight? That would be an awesome fight.
I can tell you that watching live, it was a very tense and dramatic.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Woops...
wouldn’t say Manny/Ortiz isn’t a bad fight… needed to double that negative.
“Defense: Marquez is swollen, Manny’s not”… Amazing.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Yep. That was the most jaw-dropping moment of all, and Harold had some questionable explanations on Saturday. “Ring generalship is when Manny Pacquiao steps to the side sometimes.” OH?
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
here’s what really pains me about the HBO bias: In the past, Marquez has fought this same style, and they’ve been complimentary of it.
Bad Left Hook
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yeah, and at least in my view, he did it better this time around than previously
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Did you happen to catch what Nacho actually said?
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
mmm i just noticed that according to lederman that happened in a moment we’re not watching… but just now Nacho said: “:just don’t let him drop you, you’re winning”
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
This replay is going exactly the way that I thought that it would.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 19, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, Oklahoma is down 14 to Baylor with 7 1/2 to go in the 4th. Looks like Operation Hope Everyone Above Us Loses probably won’t work.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:29 PM EST reply actions
Oh good. I was so disgusted I tuned out, now I get to see The Hat Interview.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
hahaha yes! i didn’t notice that he was naked before… was he actually completely naked or was he in his underwear?
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I hate say this guys… But there is a bloody mess of a fight on UFC right now. A decent back and forth right now.
No spoilers, please
Gonna watch it tomorrow through completely legal means.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people here like mma. (I loathe it but whatever)
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t spoil. A lot of people here will watch the show later. No need to have results here.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Forget that, us Brits have been watching Joshua Clottey!
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Manfredo: “This is my last big shot. .. I’m not the best in the world.” Says he’s coming to fight. Says he’s shooting for Gatti-Ward tonight
Bad Left Hook
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Manfredo: “I’m not a Manny Pacquiao or a Floyd Mayweather, but I can feel like them with a win tonight.”
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I just became a Manfredo fan for tonight.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Same
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watching press conference stuff on Boxnation. Arum introducing Chavez as ‘the middleweight champion of the world’ makes me cringe. I know that its technically correct, but ugh….
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
Depends which technical manual you use.
by geraldmcgrew on Nov 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jones: “I think Chavez is good as the hype, matter of fact I think he’s better than the hype.” Well that’s one person.
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Roy jones is officially braindead: “chavez is better than the hype”
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Roy Jones thinks Chavez is better than the hype
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Joe Souza getting a moment of silence. Very nice.
Bad Left Hook
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I wonder if, from RJJ’s perspective “inside” boxing where JCC is considered an overblown hype job, he means JCC is better than that.
I just think he’s reading lines.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the arena’s music guy didn’t get the moment of silence note.
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Chavez 179 tonight, but Manfredo 178, so no big advantage.
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Manfredo on his way in. I like Chavez big here — think he swarms and beats up Manfredo. Good guy, but PM doesn’t handle pressure well.
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On the other hand, JCCJr. isn’t Sakio Bika. Bika is an angry, angry man.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
That fight still ranks as one of my all time favorite moments in boxing. It’s nice to see Bika flip his shit in a way that doesn’t get him disqualified.
That was great
“You want to give your hometown boy some help? Help him with this! HULK SMASH!”
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not feather-fisted either, and he attacks well.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Manfred-owns coming out to the who. Awesome
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I love Jimmy Lennon… I wish he did all the fights always
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I’d never seen him on HBO though… he couldn’t say “It’s showtime!” hehe
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
He’s been on HBO plenty, really. Not his usual haunt, but he’s a hired gun like all ring announcers.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
BLH, i gotta tell ya, as a tex-mexican i hate this mariachi shit.
Random note: i saw metallica in reliant stadium. Reliant is beautiful
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
GALE VAN HOY
120-106 already filled out for JCCJr.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST reply actions
Laurence Cole AND Gale Van Hoy? DOES IT GET ANY BETTER?
Bad Left Hook
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What’s Eugenia Williams doing nowadays?
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
+1 for your screenname alone
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roach busted out his old headbands apparently
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 19, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I will say this, Chavez is a big guy… even today when Manfredo’s matching him in terms of weight, he still looks bigger and thicker
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
As someone coming incredibly late to the party...
Having just seen Pacquiao-Maquez III for the first time, I thought it was a remarkably even fight. If given the opportunity to score the fight as a whole, I’d give it to Marquez, but on the running round by rond scorecard in my head, I scored it 115-114 for Pacquiao. Marquez’s rounds just looked better than most of Pacquiao’s.
Chavez vs Manfredo Round 1
Why didn’t Papa praise Manfredo for being way out in the middle of the ring before the bell? That already puts him up 10-9 IMO.
Manfredo trying to jab his way in. Chavez with a shot to the belly, a jab. Manfredo witha left hook blocked. Chavez’s blocked as well. Chavez gets him on the ropes and lays in two body shots. Chavez looking already like the much harder puncher. He’s got real snap early. Manfredo with a body shot, not a lot on it. Manfredo’s speed has really gone away. Double jab from Manfredo gets in. Tentative thus far. Chavez feeling him out, Manfredo not committing to anything big. Chavez back to the body, then upstairs and gets a little left past the gloves.
Chavez 10-9
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10-9 JCCJr
Not many punches landed, but Chavez’s few were better
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 19, 2011 11:53 PM EST reply actions
has JCCjr ever been dropped?
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Manfredo looks really soft with this 19 lb cut
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Chavez vs Manfredo Round 2
Chavez blocks two shots to start the round. Chavez short on his jab, not really leaning into it. Chavez gets him to the ropes, Manfredo blocks some shots but gets physically rocked around a bit. Chavez left hook blocked. Neither exactly accurate thus far.
Jab to the body, hook to the body from Chavez. Those are going to add up. Counter right from JCC, clips Manfredo. Another one gets in better. Manfredo having trouble landing clean. Left hook from Chavez rattles Manfredo around, even though it’s blocked. Same happens again a moment later. He’s a much, much bigger puncher. Manfredo opens up with a few little shots, those partially blocked. Lead right from Chavez blocked. Counter shot in from Chavez. Jab to the body again.
Chavez pretty well dominating this fight, I think. Chavez looking for counters when Manfredo lets his hands go, because Peter is really open to be countered. Chavez gets him near the end of the round.
Chavez 10-9
Chavez 20-18
Bad Left Hook
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Chavez really isnt that good but Manfredo doesn’t even look like a Friday Night fights maineventer yet he is on HBO
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Kevin Engel was a FNF main eventer.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 19, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much sums up my feelings at this point
Actually, this looks like a lot of middling FNF main events.
JCC seems to be improving
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Manfredo will help give that impression.
by El Destruyo on Nov 19, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it might be the opponent, but he seems to be more poised, picking his shots a bit better
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
My thoughts too, the idea of a Martinez fight doesn’t as cruel as before. It may even be competitive as Martinez gets older.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Chavez vs Manfredo Round 3
Manfredo trying to get himself going a little to start the round, but can’t land clean and then finds himself out of range. Good shot from Chavez with the right hand. Chavez starting to really drill him with some shots. He’s clearly a better fighter, countering really well, boxing pretty well. Right from Manfredo, Chavez’s comes back at the same time. Manfredo to the body. Manfredo starting to have some trigger issues. Manfredo trying to pressure, Chavez fighting going back now. Fight being booed a bit.
Laurence Cole calls time to fix the tape on Manfredo’s glove. Manfredo corner says they don’t have scissors, which gives Manfredo more time.
They trade a little to end the round. Manfredo with a late shot, but he was throwing when the bell sounded. Fair accident.
Chavez 10-9
Chavez 30-27
Bad Left Hook
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10-9, 30-27 JCCJr
He’s not half bad, really. Throws with power, throws in combination, moves decently. He’s nothing special, but he’s got some talent.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 20, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions
Gosh, you mean a mix of clean punching and ring generalship wins rounds? Nobody tell Juan Manuel Marquez that.
Chavez vs Manfredo Round 4
HEY SHUT UP HAROLD THERE’S A BRAWL GOING ON NOW! Manfredo backed down a bit there, and he slows it down. He’s trying to fight. He’s giving it what he’s got. Big shot from Chavez. Now they throw wild shots again. Chavez very happy to trade with Manfredo. Body shot from Manfredo, and then a right upstairs. This pressure is helping Manfredo. Right hand Manfredo! And another one! Chavez calls him on! Chavez laying on the ropes. BIG shot Manfredo!
hell yes!
Big right from Chavez! Chavez working his way around the ring again. Manfredo has slowed Chavez down with some body shots and a willingness to engage. Body shot again by Manfredo. Chavez’s nose bleeding. They trade again!
Manfredo 10-9
Chavez 49-46
Bad Left Hook
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39-37 obv
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
10-9 Manfredo, 39-37 JCCJr
Great work by Manfredo getting inside and winning exchanges. Roy is right that the body is wide open for Manfredo to work.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 20, 2011 12:05 AM EST reply actions
“On December 3rd, Cotto vs. Margarito 2… we still don’t know where the fuck it will be, but we will televise!”
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
They should have an empty arena match in a sound studio
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Take a knee dumbass
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 20, 2011 12:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chavez vs Manfredo Round 5
Counter right by Manfredo lands from distance. Chavez to the body with a left. Manfredo sticks a jab in. Chavez visibly slowing down some, not as confident as he was earlier. Manfredo cutting off the ring a bit better. Jab from JCC. Right hand Manfredo! Another right clips him, then a left to the body. Manfredo’s getting moving here. Right hand Chavez HURTS MANFREDO AND HE’S SWARMING! CHAVEZ UNLOADING! MANFREDO NOT THROWING BACK BUT SURVIVING! HE’S IN TROUBLE! CHAVEZLAYING IT IN! AND IT’S OVER!
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr TKO-5
Max thinks it’s a bad stoppage.
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I think it was a good stoppage. Manfredo had to throw back.
Roy saying that the referee did the right thing is funny since he complained about the Danny Green stoppage for the same reason.
Bad Left Hook
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If a guy is just weaving his way out and not throwing back
They shouldn’t stop it if he’s not hurt. Under this rationale, Kirkland-Angulo would have been stopped about a minute and a half in.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2011 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kirkland looked in control of himself and was getting his hands up to block shots when Angulo was firing. Manfredo was all over the place and falling on the ropes. I don’t think the two compare.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
But it only shortened the fight by a round or so.
If Bob Arum can turn this kid into a star, he will have pulled of the greatest trick on the work since Keyser Soze.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2011 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
well thank you for putting us out of our misery early tonight
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Sulaiman will declare this a poor stoppage and order Chavez to have a rematch with Manfredo to give him more time before a Martinez fight has to be ordered.
I thought it was a bit early, but meh. Disagree with Lederman but whatever, its not like Chavez wasn’t winning clearly. He needs to get a better opponent for his next fight. Not saying that because I want to see him lose, but I think he is ready. Not Martinez ready, but Rubio-ready.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
That was a perfectly fine few rounds of action
The anti Jr Bias now far outweigh the pro Jr hype.
Manfredo seems to have a talent
For getting a fight stopped because he won’t throw punche back. He wasn’t goin to win, but that was almost a replay of the Calzaghe stoppage.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 20, 2011 12:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
earlier you said Duck Rank
be consistent at least
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
A little slow tonight, my man?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I'm laughing at...as usual
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
truth is that’s the company line, they all say it: Pacquiao, Cotto, Chavez, Juanma… it pisses me off none of them say: you know what, fuck this, I’m the star here and I want so and so…
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
You just named the four of best paid fighters in the world
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Mayweather?
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i was going to say…. Mayweather might have something to say about that
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I said: Four of the best paid
Not the four best paid
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
typo
I mean give it a rest. Arum makes money for his fighters so they are for the most part following his lead. When he fails to do so, they leave.
In the case of Cotto (they found abd groomed him into a star). Juanma (the same), Manny (making him a fortune and global brand) and Chavez jr. (who everyone knows is a box office name, nothing more).
If you are making money in a partnership or a contract, you going to bite the hand that feeds you?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
One guy
Do you honestly think athletes , boxers in particular, can navigate the business of boxing and do it themselves better that their promoters?
You don’t even have to begin answering that question…it’s that rhetorical.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I should give it a rest? Dude, I think you’re probably related to someone at Top Rank. I’m not even kidding.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I understand he makes money… I get it. If that’s all these fighters care about, then fine, yes, they are with the right guy. You’re right.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
And the thing is, I wasn’t even talking to you, I know already that you and I speak a different language: you speak money, I speak something else entirely. So I don’t even try to talk to you about this topic. I was answering someone else.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Floyd still has his handlers, but he still gets the bigger piece. That’s hood knowledge, son!
by Clove_art on Nov 20, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for hood knowledge
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
My point is that his handlers can’t get him a single dollar outside of the ring. Long term endorsement money
Nor can he.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
WWE Wrestlemania, he made loads from that. Dancing with the Stars as well.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
You’re being funny, right?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Are you? He got paid a lot to work with WWE.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Oh wait I see you said long-term endorsement money — nevermind. He does not have that, no.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Floyd made millions from the wrestling thing. Not Manny endorsement level, but yeah its something. Tyson made a few million from it too.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
not long term though no
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
He’s doing a great job with his brand BTW. He should thank Mayweather Productions for building him into the biggest name in sports with the smallest percentage of endorsements, bar none.
Bravo.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
No comment. Floyd is on a path to be known for what he might or could have been; not what he did.
Meanwhile, Cotto ain’t ducking anyone. Nor did Margarito (who fought fighters from every company). Nor did Manny who had no compelling reason to re-match his nemesis Marquez.
Floyd ‘retired’ before re-matching Oscar. And he skirted so many names my fingers are hurting.
Plus…..he has only fought GBP fighters in years. Talk about company men.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Yeah all true if you were president of boxing history.
I have no problem, saying everything u just said as false.
None of then fighters u listed are considered p4p fighters. Hall of fame sure, actually scratch that for Margo… I think tainted gloves will keep him out of those circles.
Floyd’s name has been mentioned in p4p for over a decade. His style and mastered skills will keep him there. Look at Ali’s legacy, the brown bomber’s, Tyson as a matter of fact. People remember your fights, not stupid sound bites drummed up by the media and silly fanboys.
I was a fan of those men (Louis, Ali, Frazier, Mike Tyson) and Floyd will recede into history without any of their definition.
They were all p4p fighters at welter when Floyd arrived..and retired .
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I’m just saying, Floyd will be remembered, u can ignore him if u want but you will be in the minority.
I always thought that if you took away everything post Oscar, he still had a hall of fame career.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
He was a spectacular lightweight. He has not fought the many of the best at welterweight sincen he arrived. Now it is little late.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He should have fought Cotto after Hatton for me. Too many fights left unfought. But when he fights, he generally looks awesome, even if I do find the ‘Money Mayweather’ character annoying as hell.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, Cotto ain’t ducking anyone
Paul Williams says hi, as does Floyd under the Top Rank banner. Margarito sure didn’t have much motivation for avenging his loss to Williams either and took on a seemingly easier fight against Mosley instead.
Nor did Manny who had no compelling reason to re-match his nemesis Marquez.If he had no compelling reason in 2008-2011, then there shouldn’t be any compelling reason for a fourth fight to take precedence over Mayweather. Sure seems like Bob feels differently however.
Floyd ‘retired’ before re-matching Oscar.Really? Floyd decisively won and there wasn’t much interest in it anyway. The only close fight Floyd has ever had, he immediately gave the guy a rematch and left no doubt (that is, he didn’t make Castillo come in above his most comfortable weight, nor did he wait around for him to age 4 years).
plus, like how everyone forgets that Floyd fought with a broken hand in that first fight will Castillo.
Margarito lost to Williams and then fought GB’s Shane Mosley and lost. Two fighters. Two seperate promoters. Both tough fights. No ducking for Tony.
Arum sees money. If the PPV numbers are good, I imagine they will attempt to make that fight again some time. Mexico would want it. Manny would do it. No duck.
Floyd won a split decision. Yes he won. The he ’retired" lol.
Castillo was great. Since then no dice. BTW, do you know who his promoter was when he fought that one and only rematch. I can’t recall. Seriuosly.
He made plenty of guys, including Marquez, meet him a weight of his choosing. then did what he wanted with impunity.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Margarito lost to Williams and then fought GB’s Shane Mosley and lost. Two fighters. Two seperate promoters. Both tough fights. No ducking for Tony.
Williams was clearly more highly regarded at 147 before Margarito-Mosley and had repeatedly called him out. Margarito instead elected to take on the easier opponent who had just looked like garbage against Mayorga.
Arum sees money. If the PPV numbers are good, I imagine they will attempt to make that fight again some time. Mexico would want it. Manny would do it. No duck.So does Floyd. Economic explanations either work for both or neither. You can’t accuse Floyd of ducking people when economic reasons exist for him and yet excuse certain fights involving Top Rank guys from not taking place on the basis of economic reasons.
Floyd won a split decision. Yes he won. The he ’retired" lol.It was a clear win and the cards were way closer than the fight. The retirement did not occur post-Oscar, but post-Hatton.
Castillo was great. Since then no dice. BTW, do you know who his promoter was when he fought that one and only rematch. I can’t recall. Seriuosly.But of course, I’m not making the claim that Floyd is honorable or has never ducked anyone or that his catchweight with Marquez was justified. I’m making the claim that Top Rank fighters are hardly more noble.
He made plenty of guys, including Marquez, meet him a weight of his choosing. then did what he wanted with impunity.
Type the words Floyd and Duck into a google search
Then type in Cotto.
Try Margarito.
Juanma.
Let me knopw how you do?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I could type in Floyd and ‘cabbage’ and get more results than Cotto and ‘cabbage’. Does that mean anything other than Floyd is more talked about online?
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
You could. You could search ‘garbage’ as well. Or ‘cribbage’. But try ‘duck’
The conversation here is about whether company men are ducking more than independents.
Cotto, Margarito, Juanma in particular.
And Floyd.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
For me its not really company men v independents. Its Golden Boy v Top Rank, or Mayweather v Bob Arum.
I don’t think ‘ducking’ comes into it. Its a mixture of ego and money.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Manfredo: “I’m not an HBO fighter, I guess. Every time I step up to HBO, I lose.” Says stoppage was quick “but what are you gonna do?”
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Randy Orton has the Manfredo beard
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha Marquez wins online poll
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Man, must have been too short notice for the Mannyarmy.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
well, to be fair, it’s church going time in the Philippines right now
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
It’s early evening in Mexico
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Well I judge who won on the basis of what Amir Khan says. It changes every day.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 20, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
He can look at his official O's
And whine.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Too bad. I thought he would do something different for the third fight. He actually did worse to me.
he did worse? he was a 9 to 1 underdog… WTF?
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
you’re right. He defied…no, destroyed….expectations.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
No. He can think whatever he wants
But so can every boxer and fan who ever lost a close decision. And it still amounts to the same thing. A loss.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
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