Julio Cesar Chavez Jr Still Doesn't Cut It: Boxing Rankings for November 22
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 6:18 AM EST
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Rankings usually go up on Monday, but sometimes it slips my mind. So here they are on Tuesday morning!
Anyway, enough exclamation marks.
Super Bantamweight
Victor Terrazas is in at No. 8, which will be No. 7 next week as Jorge Arce is headed back down to bantamweight on Saturday. Fernando Montiel drops from 8 to 9 after losing to Terrazas. This is still a strong division, one of the more competitive 1-9 in the sport. I could see anyone losing to anyone else in that top nine.
Middleweight
OK, let's talk about Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. His last two performances on HBO have drawn some mildly positive reaction, but that's just not enough. Even though middleweight is still a fairly weak division, Chavez's best wins (Zbik, Manfredo, Duddy) still aren't much. But styles make fights, so how would he do against the top ten guys?
To be perfectly honest, I'd give Chavez a shot to beat any of the top ten except for Sergio Martinez. I would solidly favor a lot of them, but a Chavez upset wouldn't shock me, either. In other words, he's creeping toward the top ten, and if you had him back end over someone like Darren Barker, then I couldn't really argue.
Ranked Fighters in Action This Week
Super Middleweight: No. 10 Thomas Oosthuizen (16-0-1, 11 KO) vs Francisco Sierra (24-4-1, 22 KO)
Junior Middleweight: No. 5 Canelo Alvarez (38-0-1, 28 KO) vs Kermit Cintron (33-4-1, 28 KO)
Super Featherweight: No. 6 Adrien Broner (21-0, 17 KO) vs Vicente Rodriguez (34-2-1, 19 KO)
Bantamweight: No. 5 super bantamweight Jorge Arce (58-6-2, 45 KO) vs Angky Angkotta (25-5, 14 KO)
Super Flyweight: No. 4 Juan Alberto Rosas (35-6, 27 KO) vs Zolani Tete (15-1, 13 KO)
Junior Flyweight: No. 8 Masayuki Kuroda (20-3, 13 KO) vs Hayato Yamaguchi (7-2-1, 0 KO)
Also: At-large junior welterweight Humberto Soto (56-7-2, 33 KO) takes another lousy fight in Mexico against Adailton De Jesus (29-6, 23 KO). You may recall De Jesus from his awful showing against old Marco Antonio Barrera in 2010. Soto keeps one of the worst schedules of any good fighter in boxing. It's pathetic.
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Rank has nothing to do with Junior. He is a name and a box office attraction. Some think he is looking better but I can’t judge improvement by his victory over a guy that lost the Contender to the Latin Snake.
I suspect he can beat Canelo is the weight is skewed to his favor. He looked awfully big the other night.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Oosthuizen-Sierra could be a good one...
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
Agreed
Sierra isn’t anything special, but he hits hard, he’s aggressive (and a bit dirty), and he keeps coming. If Oosthuizen is just a product of a relatively creampuff schedule, Sierra’s gonna give him a miserable night.
Of course, I’m a big fan of Sierra for his utter thrashing of Don George, so this may just be wishful thinking.
by Verklemptomaniac on Nov 22, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Did you know Don George is fighting an IBF super middleweight eliminator on December 17? Did you know that even more curious, he’s fighting Librado Andrade?
The IBF seems absolutely determined to give Lucian Bute the easiest goddamn schedule of mandatory challengers known to man.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Oosthuizen fought pretty well (with a bad cut) against Pryor,
Sierra has a punchers chance, but I’d be very surprised if he wins.
I like Oosthuizen a lot. Same thought: Sierra could bomb him, but if he doesn’t, he’s got little chance.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I would be stunned if Sierra bombs him. Generally this is not the kind of opposition he does particularly well at. I’m expecting a stoppage around rounds 4-6 for Oosthuizen.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 22, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I like
Chavez Jr. over Andy Lee right now. He would walk through him. That’s the only person on the last I would favor Chavez Jr. against.
I would like to see that fight but i see it the other way around. I think Lee is one of the few proposed name opponents for Jr who is actually similar in size.
IMO, Lee would start walking him down get to Jr eventually.To be honest i really don’t see Jr “walking through” Lee at all.
I watched the Chavez – Manfredo fight last night on replay and am still not really impressed with Jr. He has improved but his ailibties still leave a lot to be desired, imo, and he was getting hit way tooe often by someone of Manfredo’s stature .
He was also much bigger than Pete, and i don’t know what Manfredo was ever doing up at 168 cos he looks small at 160.
Lee is more skilled and uses his size more effectively than Jr, imo.
Matt you're 100% Correct
I just find Lee to be chinny. That may be unfair, but that is how I see him. I also see Chavez Jr. has having a punch. Not a monstrous punch but enough of a punch to eventually get to Lee. However, he’s a better boxer than Chavez Jr; no doubt about it.
I’ve heard apologists for Soto talk for years about how he should have gotten the decision over Guzman (really?) and that he’s being ducked by every good fighter at 135 and 140. But you look at his resume over the last few years with two different promoters, and he has a bunch of super close fights to guys that aren’t elite caliber fighters. There’s the Urbano Antillon war (which now that he went to GBP, will probably never be rematched). There’s also the first fight with Fidel Monterrosa Munoz, which I thought he lost. So here he is with guys I’d argue he’s being given to look good against, and he can’t. He beats up the Jose Alfaros and Ricardo Dominguezs of the world fine, but he can’t cleanly walk the B list guys. Fighting at 140, does anyone really want to see him matched with the likes of Devon Alexander? Is there anyone who thinks he can actually win that fight?
There’s the Urbano Antillon war (which now that he went to GBP, will probably never be rematched)
He ducked out of it once anyway. Was supposed to be main support to Pacquiao-Mosley. Soto ran from the fight. I have no other way to view it. Soto is coming perilously close to fraud-like. Jesus, what’s so much better about him than JCC Jr other than he doesn’t draw the same crowds? I’ve been on his ass for a while now, but he just keeps on the same path and deserves the criticism.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
No problem with Chavez Jr not being ranked but what about Dmitry Pirog? I’m a fan of his, but his biggest win was untested Danny Jacobs. Were him and the two other guys he’s fought since them (who’s name escape me) really enough to boost him to #3!?
#1 Devon Alexander hater
Name someone with any better a resume below — that’s my point. No one has really beaten anyone here. Who has Golovkin beaten? Macklin? Barker? N’Jikam? Lee? That’s why I wouldn’t disagree with ranking Chavez. He’s got as strong a resume as anyone but Sergio or Sturm.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
JC Chavez Junior
Junior should absolutely be in this top 10..He would easily handle at least half of them. I believe that you’re just being hard on him because it’s the easy thing to do in this case. If he wasn’t JC Chavez’ son you’d definitely have him ranked.
Being Chavez’ kid has nothing to do with any rankings. It’s the fact that Jr is an over-hyped, over-promoted, under-skilled fighter. Explain how he would “easily handle at least half of them”…hell, explain how he would easily handle ONE of them…and do it by saying something skill-related. Oh and you can’t mention the words/phrases “Top Rank”, ‘HBO’ or ’fair and balanced scorecards".
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