Mayweather vs Pacquiao: Manny Reportedly Ready to Make the Fight
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM EST
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FightHype is reporting that sources tell them Manny Pacquiao has informed adviser Michael Koncz that he wants to make a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr, and Koncz will soon be meeting with Top Rank boss Bob Arum to get things in motion.
"He's meeting with Bob to make the fight," one source revealed to us.
... "They've got the investors. The money is there. It's what Manny wants. It's just a matter of whether or not Bob is willing to make the fight," another source added.
Now, take this for what it is: Chatter, but not a lot more. There's certainly nothing concrete here, but the fight is still being talked about, even at this level, and that's better than no word at all.
Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KO) and Mayweather (42-0, 26 KO) have been dancing around one another for three years now, dominating their rivals until Pacquiao's close call with Juan Manuel Marquez on November 12. Arum has made clear that he prefers a fourth Pacquiao vs Marquez fight. But the public reaction to that hasn't exactly been an outpouring of support, even from those who feel Marquez won the third fight this month. Mayweather vs Pacquiao is still THE fight to make in all of boxing, and no one's minds seem to have really changed there, with the only difference being more strongly favor Mayweather after November 12.
Mayweather is scheduled to fight again on May 5, 2012.
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Here we go again =(
All this will they? wont they? is almost as bad as Ross and Rachel
Damm...Damm...Dammm
If they dont stop playing with my emotions. I just think they need to get it on. I would love to see it along with everyone else. If Arum holds this up…it will come out and we as the boxin gpublic should boycott his ass!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap5Sw3xsZhU
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I like Manny fights more than anyone else...
There is nothing to lose for anyone in this fight….@ $50M for one fight as long as you leave with your rigth frame of mind there are no losers. PBF will be the heavy favorite now…and so Manny will have to prove them wrong. But just make the fight learn from Hopkins vs Jones, Bowe vs Lewis, (I dont count that recent fight with Hopkins v Jones) all fights that didn’t happen because of bull crap and I think the boxing took the biggest lost in both cases.
Bout time Manny finally told Arum what to do.
Instead of just being like…“Uh…I’ll let my promoter decide who I’ll fight next.”
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
by erod on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
He also told him to get Marquez back in the ring
Now let’s see what the man who calls himself the boss does.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
This era needs a fight like this! I just wish Mayweather didn’t act like such a tool, the USA would back him so much better. Anyway, I’ll be the first to request a 6wk edition of 24/7 if thus makes
by RRod806 on Nov 22, 2011 5:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Incorrect
Mayweather was a nice guy when he was destroying the lightweight division and HBO said that Mayweather would never be a PPV attraction. The heel act is on purpose, and it works.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Nov 22, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
he's also sort of a dick
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
hard to tell how much is real and how much is an act. Probably just as much of a dick as you or I.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Nov 22, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe so. I really think that Mayweather is the best on the planet. I just hate to like him cause he can be such a DB at times. He could easily be in a category with Michael Jordan and tiger woods (pre scandal). Instead he’s known to most outside of boxing as a money burner and that fool from the web cast slamming Pacquiao.
by RRod806 on Nov 22, 2011 8:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
+1
That has been my position sicnce aI found that boxing websites existed.
He has played the short game well…but his marketability sucks outside the ring.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Well, if he hits his ex girlfriend and his children, he’s a real life dick.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Exactly. Not to mention he called a $12 million HBO contract offer slave wages. Guy has always been a bit of a jerk at times. I think he amplifies it for the cameras, but it’s definitely not JUST for the cameras.
by Kory Kitchen on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
slave wages
I forgot about that one. Classic Floyd isn’t it? All things aside, he has the potential to take the country by storm. It would be awesome if an American can knock off Pacquiao and prove that we have the best boxer. As far as Ali is concerned, I’m not a fan of his. He was far too hurtful. Even though the public forgave him. Joe Frazier in particular took his bitterness to the grave. That’s pretty deep if you ask me. No one should be so rude as to cause that much pain and anger to a fellow man. Just my opinion
by RRod806 on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think Floyd has already taken the country by storm as much as he could have. I think most people actually think America does have the best boxer, but the win over Pac would seal it. Personally, I don’t know if a win over Pac would increase his star that much. Depends on how he wins (e.g. doesn’t “run”).
by Kory Kitchen on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well said. If he dominates Pac then everyone has to admit it
by RRod806 on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
hard to tell how much is real and how much is an act.
I think it’s become pretty easy to separate, to be honest.
Probably just as much of a dick as you or I.
I disagree.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
You maybe fooled already,
If it is an act, he has a lot of people fooled. But I made this comparison before, but I think it still holds up. I think Floyd is trying to promote his fights like Ali did. Before Ali was the greatest, he was also one of the most hated boxers in America (except in the black community, which is also true for Floyd for the most part). Despite the social climate and race relations, he called fighters everything in the book, banged his groupies despite being married, and did some other less than civil things like telling stories about clan meetings in television interviews.
America forgave him, like America forgave Tyson a convicted rapist. Now putting all that on the table it kind of makes Floyd’s antics seem small time. As long as Floyd keeps winning the tabloid stuff will fade.
Ali was promoted by Top Duck
But I wouldn’t expect someone with your depth of history to know that.
It was pre-internet. lol
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
One is old hat.
The other, the one that defended Ali and promoted his in his prime, is in the last years of running the best promotional company in boxing.
Read some history, son.
You’ll find out…It didn’t start with Floyd Mayweather
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Better than a garden variety nuthugger I suppose
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Like millions of manny fanboys who have their head soooo far up his ass, they think he’s Ali. Slightly better I suppose.
Not even close
He’s the most dynanamic entertaining fighter these opast years…but he’s not Ali.
HOFer yes. Ali not.
Personally, mo=y favorites by far areAli, Frazier, Duran, SRL, Hagler nand a few others.
Manny is the guy I enjoy watchin g the most. today because of his style and his willingness to meet greater and greater challenges
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Please buy a dictionary...
Dynamic is dead wrong. Ur entitled to ur opinion, but manny fights one way, and he fights only a certain type of boxers, mainly those with less than above average defensive skills.
That is his handlers fault, but manny could have grown by fighting a more diverse competition.
Here's Breadman in full
Manny is the only active fighter that can generate the money Floyd can. He is the only other PPV star that is guaranteed to do over 1 million PPV buys everytime he fights. He is the only other fighter that is considered a worldwide icon. He is the only one that is equal to Floyd in star power. Do you notice that Floyd takes about 80% of the guaranteed pot, against his opponents? Against Manny, he would pretty much split everything. I won’t argue over a % point here or there. Do you really think Oscar De La Hoya would submit to these tests [which are above what is required by law]? Manny has leverage that no one else currently has. What other fighter can make $25M not fighting Floyd? So that kills that statement. Manny is not everybody else.
Here is where I’m going to shake you up. I was a Mayweather fan before I knew who Manny PAcquiao was. I wish Floyd was more in the right, but he’s not. When you ask how would Floyd know Manny would refuse his blood test? You are ignorant to the all of the details. I don’t mean that as an insult, but you clearly don’t know or failed to mention pertinent events that occurred.
First off about 7 years ago Shelly Finkel went to the NSAC and tried to get an eye exam waived when he was managing Manny. Manny found the exam too intrusive, allegedly they really wanted to go into his eye and he didn’t feel comfortable getting it done. This happened way before anybody accused him of being a drug user. Floyd Mayweather also bet BIG money on Manny Pacquiao to beat Erik Morales in their second fight, which Pacquiao won. Now we can both agree Floyd is a student of the game. Why would Floyd bet on a guy who just lost to the fighter he was rematching? Well Manny had 2 excuses. One was he wore WINNING brand gloves and they felt like pillows. Look at the first fight and you will see this. Two, he had to give blood before the fight and it weakened him. He didn’t fail anything and it was a test he didn’t know was coming, it just weakened him. So he goes out the next fight and destroys Morales and Floyd is seen in the audience jumping up and down. Fact. So just maybe he knew. Food for thought or am I still being stubborn?
Next you bring up all of these things Floyd agreed to. Let’s break that down. Floyd reportedly agreed to 10million dollar per pound penalty for coming in above weight. That’s true, but you guys fail to bring up two major things that brought that on. First off Floyd had just duped Juan Manuel Marquez. That gets so overlooked by all of these ass kissing writers and blindly loyal fans. He signed a contract to come in at 144lbs. He came in at 146. Guys like Jose Luis Castillo and Joan Guzman get called unprofessional for that. Two pounds is way too much to come over for a fight. I was at this weigh-in. Floyd didn’t even attempt to sweat the pounds off and he owns a gym right there in Vegas for goodness sake. He just laughed it off and paid Marquez 300k per pound.
What was Marquez to do, not fight? I don’t think so. Floyd knew that and that’s why he did what he did. This just gets dismissed as Floyd would have beaten Marquez anyway. So what! That’s not the point. Contracts are contracts. Also you failed to mention that Floyd wanted his fight against Pacquiao to be at 154, junior middleweight. Team Mayweather outsmarted Team Pacquiao. They gave the impression they were struggling to make 147 which was not true. So therefore Team Pacquiao did not want to risk Floyd coming into the fight "heavy". They had good cause to believe that considering what he did to Marquez and what the negotiations were. So they asked for 10 mill/Lb penalty. Let me ask you considering Floyd paid Marquez 300k/lb what amount is reasonable? In my opinion it has to be something that Floyd won’t laugh at and just pay.
And for the record, Manny agreed to the drug testing. Just not up until the day of the fight. Funny thing is USADA stopped taking blood over two weeks out before the Mayweather-Mosley fight and we don’t have any details of the Mayweather-Ortiz testing. My fighter gave blood for commission testing then he sparred and looked like complete sh*t. Maybe it was a coincidence but I won’t let him do it again. A week cut off and a test right after the fight to insure no one was on anything in the ring is a fair compromise. By the way Floyd was flipping out at the negotiations over a 14 day cut off. Manny ups it 7 days in later negotiations and that’s still not good enough.
Two unbiased, independent parties have taken Manny’s side in this situation. Keith Kizer the head of the NSAC and Ross Greenburg the ex-president of HBO Sports. Greenburg was quoted saying, he doesn’t understand why Mayweather didn’t make the fight. This is coming from a man who headed HBO, and let’s remember Arum took some big fights to Showtime. Keith Kizer has been quoted saying he is not going to change the rules to single out and target ONE fighter. He also said that Mayweather has not petitioned the commission for blood testing.
Now Arum has said openly that if the commission implements blood testing then they will abide. Floyd could conceivably box Manny in with that statement. He would have a great case. Mayweather has privy to the most powerful lawyers in sports. Why wouldn’t he petition the commission? I say because he was not ready to fight that little animal from the Phillipines.
Floyd was very kind to Oscar De La Hoya before their fight was signed. He said all of the right things because he really wanted the fight. So we know, he knows how to act to get a fight. Now with Manny he makes Asian jokes, he pretty much tells everybody that Manny is a cheater, he goes on internet rants, he takes off for years at a time and he denies negotiations. This to me tells me that this man does not want to fight.
Here is an analogy. Boxing is in large part mental. If Floyd is not comfortable fighting a PED freak why should Manny help him relieve his trepidations? It would be smart to let Floyd keep believing that. Maybe Floyd will start slower because he’s afraid of this so called incredible stamina. Maybe he won’t engage because of this so called incredible power. Whatever the case maybe if I were Manny I wouldn’t help him be more comfortable fighting me. Only an idiot or fighter with no leverage would do that.
Andre Ward and Carl Froch both want blood testing. That doesn’t seem to be something that will happen for their fight. But the fight is still getting made. I think Manny agreeing to a 7 day cut off and blood testing immediately after the fight is more than enough. I hope you let all of your friends read my response. Don’t twist my words, just research everything I said and come to a fair conclusion. My conclusion is Floyd Mayweather is not comfortable fighting Manny Pacquiao and this blood testing is just an excuse to buy time and that’s exactly what he did. So fae, he has bought three years.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
This is just a manny fan with a English degree. I can’t be swayed. So don’t waste ur time. I don’t get my facts from writers. I base them on what I see in the ring. I know Floyd is the most skilled boxer I’ve seen in my life time. Without any serious injuries, everytime he gets into the ring he looks great.
What I’ve seen from manny… Is anything but. I see a great person, who has the wrong handlers making his fights. I see a fighter that hasn’t grown since beating de la Hoya. I saw a fighter get expose by a older, smaller counter- puncher. My eyes don’t lie, say what u will. On this site u are a top duck fanboy. I see you as that and many others on this site see u as such.
It’s fun to speculate, that’s all we have until the real fights happen. But all I know is what I see. And u can’t pull th top duck flag over my eyes.
Sorry dude.
He loves Floyd the boxer.
He is a West Philly black man whose boss greg leon is a advisor to profssional fighters. He know history like no one on the net. He trains boxers. He breaks don fights with an insight that is uncanny.
You my friend have one agenda. making noise about one fighter. That is an awfully limited POV for a real boxing fan.
Widen your horizons. Read around. And not just to support your tight hug on Floyd’s drawers.
I know folks at TR. I know know them at HBO. I have spoken to Raoch, Hauser, Kim and other writers. I have had the chance to meet many fighters. And hear their opinions.
I try getting real information and forming judgements. You should try it. It eats trolling.
As for haters, they always hate. I have open and lond standing dialog with this site’s editors and write here and privately to its writer emeritus, Bossman…argauably the most historically based writer to grace these pages.
Your opinion makes me laugh …..so I like to humor you.
Get some sleep. And try thinking of something original.
And get some history. it is too obvious that you started watching boxing the last decade at most.
Floyd is good but SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, he’s not.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Of course u speak to roach... I'll be more impressed if unspoken to Floyd's camp.
Read my comments, ive commented on other fighters too. But Floyd is my favorite. And when I read something interesting i will comment. When i read something I don’t agree with I will comment.
If I say things that get underneath your skin, so what? You have to get over it. No one else tells me to stop but you. And everyone on here tells u to stop with your top duck propaganda.
No one on here is up on Manny’s nuts harder that you. Even bob arums nuts too.
+10
great post. I feel a bit differently now.
Song of the week:: Right Away, Great Captain! - I'm Not Ready to Forgive You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSblEfq5CWo (the song)
Mayweather did it to himself.
He markets himself as the villain to sell fights. He is loud as hell in most everything he does, but when it came to getting this fight made, he has been uncharacteristically aloof, which always led people to believe he didn’t want the fight. This fight has a near perfect marketing setup.
-Mayweather is the villain, and the odds on favorite to win.
-Manny is the nice guy underdog.
Would have been better if Manny had waxed JMM, but without Manny’s struggles against Marquez, this fight might not be on the table.
After all this?
True, but the shadiness of Top Duck, has gotten Manny a lil dirty. Trying to make a fourth fight with Marquez, and how many fans are still left after his last unfortunate outing? Obviously, there are still plenty left, but some of his own people think he lost that fight.
I remember the consensus before Mosely-Mayweather, they hoped Mosely would beat Floyd, but they wouldn’t bet their bottom dollar on it.
Yes, after all this.
Mayweather Vs. Arum is just fighter vs. promoter. Many people separate fighter and promoter. Manny doesn’t do his own slandering, Mayweather does; thus public perception is that Mayweather and Arum are dicks, not Manny.
All I know is that public perception had Manny losing last week, so confidence in Manny is at an all-time low. I’m just wondering if hope is enough to drum up enough confidence in this would be protagonist.
That is why this fight has legs.
Manny looked vulnerable, so Mayweather wants the fight. Changes the fight dynamic a bit, but it still remains marketable. For those that know the styles, it’s every bit the same fight it was before Marquez.
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just for the record Floyd showed interest before the Marquez fight. And many folks close to Floyd said their guy’s style will be too much for Manny. Like u said before it was promoter vs. fighter squabble, that really halted things.
Please. He showed his behind...
Running every which way but toward the fight. That must be a tough thing for a Floyd fan to deal with but it’s a fact.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Alright, i know the Manny fans aren’t really enjoying this past week and a half. Crow dinner is very bitter.
Resorting to old ridiculous clams that a fighter who is an odds end favorite is running from a fighter who can’t adjust and can’t find ways to beat counter punching is kinda sad, dude.
Enjoy your crow dinner, believe me there is plenty more where that came from.
Manny won the fight my man.
Check the records.
Forever.
And Floyd still has not made a single gesture personally (and he’s the boss) to trying to make this fight. And he is the bigger and arguably better man. So go figure.
I already have. He doesn’t like what he sees in the ring when Manny fights. Neither do his daddy.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Manny won the fight, but he was exposed. 3 out of 10 people think Manny won that fight. 70% of people who saw the whole fight, think that Manny didn’t deserve that win. He still hears that in his own country.
Floyd is the boss, but he still has handlers on his payroll. His handlers handle the business side, Floyd handles the business in the ring. Obviously, you’re a Manny fan, so you have absolutely no clue what Floyd is thinking.
Please, explain why Bob Arum was in such a hurry to set a fourth Marquez fight, when Manny won sooo handedly in your eyes. After a win don’t you go to the next best and lucrative fight?
Welcome to Top Duck.
Maybe you already know this, but Pakin’s a TR spokesperson. No shit.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
by lcollins1 on Nov 23, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just better informed. With better access.
And open minded.
Afraid I can’t say the same when I read your openly prejudiced conjecture every time any boxer under that banner gets mention.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
For Clove
After two fights, Manny did not have to fight Marquez again. The book was essentially closed. Most in fact (since you love to quote internet polls) didn’t think a third fight was necessary or even a fair match.
But Manny, who ducks no one, fought him anyway. And Top Rank ent out of their way to make the fight happen.
that is called looking for a fight…and the satisfaction of a definitiv ending to what is now 36 too-close- to call rounds.
You can’t have it both ways and say that a guy, an A-side fighter no less, who seeks and make a third fight is ducking. Even if he wants a fourth.
Many are unsatisfied with the three preceding fights. Manny most of all. He expected to beat Marquez badly and finish the book.
Ask yourself, man who love Floyd, why did he ’retire when beating Oscar was such a sure way to make a fortune. Most would answer that with a loud and definitive : Quack !!
Even most internet pollsters.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Pretty amusing revisionist history going on here. Pacquiao didn’t actively pursue a third fight to get “a definitive ending,” and if that’s what he was interested in, he wouldn’t have fought Diaz for a cheap trinket in the immediate aftermath of their rematch, nor would he have subsequently waited 3.5 years to make the Marquez fight.
The more accurate framing is that Arum needed a credible non-Matweather opponent for Pacquiao’s second fight this year and Marquez was finally a free agent. Bradley who was the only other guy mentioned with same frequency was mired in legal trouble, can’t draw anyone to anything, and was at an all-time low popularity-wise with the few people who did know him. The only other guys mentioned were not credible and recently lost anyway (Judah and Cintron) or clearly not ready (Jones). Turning this into a narrative of honorable Manny looking to get a definitive ending is bullshit, and using the same logic to justify a fourth fight is also a bad faith argument from the Pacquiao camp.
You are a hater, son.
Pure and simple.
Plus you speculate.
I speak to the principals.
As in directly. And now quite frequently.
Mayweather is not the straw that stirs the Pacquiao Brand. It has soared partially because Floyd abdicated what might have been his and his alone. when he ‘retired’ the first time. That, and of course the more entertaining style in which the little man who fights bigger men fights have contributed to his global reach.
You do recall that he was on the Lewis Tyson undercard…or do you have some ridiculously sinister reason for his having been so.
I do. It’s called boxing as entertainment.
Pacquiao wants Marquez again.He has made that abundantly clear and that is what he has told his team. He also wants Mayweather.
Their job is to make it happen.
But very fight takes two to tango as does every deal. Floyd promotes himself. He knows precisely when to move on stage and move off. He almostaalways appears before a Pacquaio fight. Smart man.
But he has not nor have any of his people, including his promoters at GB, talked to anyone about fight Pacquaio next. He simply got a date and a location.
BTW, Marquez made himself a free agent for one reason and one reason only. To make the fight with Pacquaio that both men wanted made. And that GB couldnt get.
No revisionist nothing. Just the facts.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I don’t see a single substantive response to anything I’ve stated. I never brought up Mayweather except as a reference to Top Rank needing a credible opponent for Pacquiao’s fight and Marquez being available.
Forgive me though if I don’t believe your “insider knowledge” about what specifically Mayweather has and has not spoken about with GB. Why should Koncz declaring Pacquiao wants the fight represent a sure indicator that he does indeed want Mayweather, but Ellerbe expressing a similar sentiment does not count for Floyd? And please don’t respond with your nonsense that “the little person being referred to is a mystery!” Rafael specifically questioned Ellerbe on this point and was told point blank he was referring to Mayweather.
Returning to the unaddressed points I made above: Marquez wanted Pacquiao for 3.5 years; this wasn’t some desire that suddenly materialized this year. Pacquiao either didn’t want him at all or didn’t want him badly enough to get the fight made any earlier, at a weight and/or age more comfortable to Marquez. And since we’re dealing with facts, Pacquiao officially won this fight (as you’re so eager to point out to anyone who dares complain about the scoring) and by a larger margin in this fight than he did in 2008; why is the demand for a rematch so much greater now than it was in 2008? It is a fact that Pacquiao is now officially 2-0-1 (and potentially 3-0-0 but for a scoring error), yet this fight takes clear precedence over everything else. Marquez’s deservingness (which was regularly mocked by Arum when he was still with Golden Boy BTW) and Pacquiao’s pride (which was never mentioned onceuntil this fight was actually signed) were not relevant factors for the past 3.5 years. I see no reason to accept them now. Business as usual is the driving force here.
Pacquiao is about as clear and transparent as any public figure with a microphone stuck in his face regularly. HE says he wants Marquez. Again. There is no reason not to believe the man himself.
He is a people pleaser in the best sense. He likes to entertain ith his boxing. He understands that fans like action. And results. He did not like the way in which he won because he believes he could have won decisively once and for all. By KO.
So, sooner or later, he will probably get his wish and fight him again. Maybe not next…but sooner or later. That said, Marquez ain’t exactly waiting around. And therein lies one problem.
One last note. Manny had all but cleared out all decent competition at TR at welter. He then wooed SSM and JMM from GB to fight him. Some would say that fighting his most difficult opponent in Marquez again was foolish. I was one among. That it would pierce his image if he failed to knock him out. And they may be right. In hindsight. But like his multiple fights Morales and even Barrera, Manny is old time. He fights his opponents until there is a definitive winner. He likes to fight.
Re: Robinson LaMotta
He also wants to fight Mayweather. His trainer and S & C man want Mayweather. But they don’t make the deals. They train him for fights.
But as I said, it takes to to tang and Floyd does call his own shots. So far, he has not made the call.
I’m not suggesting that Manny’s team has reached out either but I do know that Floyd’s has not.
So we shall see.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Marquez could have retired at any point in the past 3 years and no one around Pacquiao would have shed any tears about “the lack of a definitive winner.” Pacquiao has repeatedly declared that he feels he clearly won the fight, recently of course telling critics at home to get real. Again, all of this talk of poor Marquez deserving another fight and Manny just wanting to right wrongs is not the least bit consistent with what transpired from 2008 until May of this year. Additionally the LaMotta-Robinson comparison is pretty tortured.
And when it comes to negotiations, one call or e-mail that has been made was Golden Boy being told not to expect any negotiations for the Floyd fight to occur before Pacquiao-Marquez IV. The person who delivered that message, Daniel Weinstein, was publicly named by Golden Boy. You’ll recall that Judge Weinstein was not the least bit hesitant to correct any public misrepresentation of his name during the first negotiation when Arum was lying about the mediation. The fact that he has not undermined their statement their statement sure lends it some credibility in my opinion.
Kizer and Greenburg are both fully on record
That the fight with Manny was negotiated and Floyd balked. They don’t know why but they knwo there were negotitations.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Yes, Floyd’s side misrepresented what happened the second time around just like Arum clearly misrepresented what went on the first time. Don’t see how Floyd’s lies in 2010 though have anything to do with Top Rank being so anxious to make Marquez-Pacquiao IV that they won’t even negotiate with Floyd/GBP at this point in time.
Updated today
http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-im-side-ill-make-pacquiao-offer—46363
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
At the time there was no big money...
We always knew Floyd was coming back for a big money fight. It just happened to be with a top duck fighter.
That explains it.
Now I know why he fought only Golden Boy fighters…and the big big names like Marquez and Ortiz.
Thanks for the always brilliant insights.
BTW, check the record books. Floyd only fights GB fighters. Manny… not.
Go figure.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Give it up dude...
I know you are protecting the hero of boxing, but you are definitely the villain of this site.
BTW, I like Floyd as fighter
But he does not fight enough for someone who has been following boxing for years to satisfy remotely my desire to see true grit.
I think you will fiund a lot of Floyd fans who sadly think the same.
Lots in fact.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I don't hear them.
Plus, Floyd probably still has hand problems and needs time to heal.
And dude u are doing no one any favors protecting top duck. Let it go… Public perception is public perception.
Read Boxingtalk's Stephen Edwards
And his colleagues. And give Fighthype a rest.
And try a book once in a while.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I don't read fighthype
These are things I see on my own. If it happens to fall with fighthype then so be it, more power to them. Thing u saw I really don’t see as impartial. I am a Floyd fan, but I do fault him for things he says and positions he puts himself in.
But I hate when one guy gets demonized and another is raised to god- like warship for beating up beatable opponents. That’s how I see it.
Here...
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=22511
Edwards trains fighter in Philly. He also knows his shit. Plus he is madder than hell at Arum these days. You’ll enjoy it.
Seriously.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Paul Williams won the fight my man.
Check the records.
Forever.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Enjoy your boy .....
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"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I don't believe it
personally I’m hoping for Bradley Casamayor II
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 22, 2011 6:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am not holding my breath
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"but if there's anyone who wants to finish fights it's me." - GSP
I wish matchmaking was as simple as it is in MMA
We would of already seen a trilogy by now
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 22, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Same here
But, giving the promotional entity 100% control over the matchup contracts between both fighters means that the fighters often get shafted when it comes to money/sponsors as they have to abide in order to fight in the organization.
yep – clear advantage for that sport.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
(You have no idea what you have just done…If I were you, I would ask for that question to be deleted or otherwise… well… let’s just say I warned you! hahaha!)
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
by Apprentice on Nov 22, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are the parenthesis supposed to be a whisper? haha
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 23, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
If they could, they would.
They can….but they are probably better fighters than promoters.
In fact, not too many people/athletes/talent can focus on what they do best and still so everything required to be top in their game. Hence agencies (talent), galleries (artists) , and promoters. ie. others taking care of their external business.
Most fighters fight. And that is no small thing.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
The Muhamed Ali legistlation that protect boxers
does not impact the MMA. Hence the UFC’s control and their strong brand.
Go figure.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Maybe. If the UFC gets around to booking Rampage/Forrest II, they’re about 3 years too late. Heck, Rashad/Jones is still out there not happening for no good reason.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 22, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Rashad Jones isn’t happening for injury reasons..
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 23, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
If by injury, you mean “UFC sending a message to guys to take whatever fights are given”, then yes. That is why the fight isn’t happening.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 23, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
The fight's been scheduled 2 times already
UFC 133 cancelled due to Jones claiming he needs surgery on his hand and then electing to not get get it.
UFC 140 cancelled due to Rashad needing more time to than expected to have his hand cleared. How is that not injury reasons?
by Sweet Scientist on Nov 23, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The fight has never been officially scheduled, just bandied about. In either case it could have happened if the UFC pursued it. They could have delayed the fight a month and run it in January. Apparently that didn’t please them. The first example is straight laughable: A dude had an injury that didn’t actually result in a layoff, so they had to cancel the fight. LOL, dude. C’mon.
There’s plenty of MMA fights that don’t happen in spite of them obviously making sense, or happening way too late to matter. In general they do a decent enough job of match making, so I don’t want to criticize them too much. But the GSP/Diaz/Condit saga is another piece of evidence about how ultimately they’re willing to deviate from bigger money fights to try and prove a point to fighters.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 23, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
GSP/Diaz is happening early next yr tho.
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 23, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MMA has had it’s share of troubles matchmaking, especially when Fedor was all the rage, although definitely not to the extent that boxing has.
I think it’s a good question posed above. Is it feasible that that could one day happen for one promoter to gain a market share similar to what the UFC has?
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 23, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Ali didn’t have to say anything to be hated by the general public – just being a black muslim was enough for that. The reason Ali gets so much respect now is because he had a point of view and he stood up for his beliefs. There was no way he could know that refusing the draft, having his title stripped, and then winning it back, would cement his legacy in the post-Vietnam era, but he wasn’t concerned with how his actions would look to the public, he only cared about doing what he thought was right.
Compare that to Mayweather. What does he believe in? What does he stand for? Mayweather’s a dick because he has the social skills of a ten-year-old. He’s incredibly self-conscious about public opinion, which just makes him come off as defensive whenever people ask him a real life question that adults are generally expected to be able to answer in a civil manner.
UFC just needs to start a boxing division
If UFC started a boxing division and just used the same brand etc…they could do it. It would take a few years to get the big names but if they started taking top names they could do it. The only problem is that HBO level boxers make way more money than top UFC guys. I think Jackson vs Jones they both got like $500k or maybe $1M, for a PPV that generated say $700K-$1M PPV buys. You would have to pay boxers $5M-$10M for that same type of fight. Hell Berto and Ortiz will both get like $1.5M-$2M for the rematch on championship boxing.
HBO needs to take a stronger position
HBO or Showtime have the all the money, that is keeping the sport going. Without those two organizations boxing would be dead. They pump millions into the mid-level fights and that has kept the sport going if they took a more active stance in the promoting it would be better for boxing.
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