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Canelo Alvarez: Cultural Phenom Rises, Questions Remain

Canelo Alvarez has a lot left to learn, but has become one of boxing's biggest stars at age 21. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

For 21-year-old Saul Alvarez, better known now and forever more as Canelo Alvarez, it has been a whirlwind couple of years. He's gone from hot young Mexican prospect ("You know, the kid with the red hair") to featured Golden Boy star, multiple-time HBO main eventer, and one of the most popular fighters on the planet. On the last count, nearly 30 million in Mexico watched his fight with Matthew Hatton in March.

That's a lot, if you're wondering. And his U.S. TV numbers and gate appeal has gotten pretty decent, too.

But what has he really done? I was talking about Alvarez and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr on Twitter yesterday, and the point was made that the pair of them, though handled somewhat differently, are in the same boat: They've both become so "overrated" that at this point, they're "underrated."

There are people out there who would have you believe that these guys are a pair of Mexican Tyrone Brunsons or Victor Oganovs. In more realistic terms, they've both got a lot to prove, but Alvarez has fought a very tough schedule for his age (a lot tougher than Beibut Shumenov, who gets all kinds of props), and Chavez has made some steady improvements under the care of Freddie Roach.

Plus, they both come to fight. But backlash was inevitable. Chavez because of the nepotism angle, Alvarez because he's so heavily hyped.

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So what has Alvarez really done? Let's be fair and look back on the rise of Canelo, dating back to his first major U.S. TV appearance in 2010, and see if he's grown, if he's regressed, if he's stagnated, and what we can really expect right now, given how many good looks we've gotten from the young star.

May 1, 2010: Jose Miguel Cotto

Alvarez stopped Cotto in the ninth round of his co-feature fight on the Mayweather vs Mosley card, and turned a lot of heads. When I did radio spots the week after the show, everyone asked about this "Canelo" kid, the 19-year-old dynamo who had faced a little adversity early, but came back and closed the show in impressive fashion.

Cotto was a decent test, but no doubt undersized and not there to win -- or, well, he wasn't signed up to win. Cotto did come to fight, and didn't roll over.

July 10, 2010: Luciano Cuello

This is the last fight Alvarez had that was not carried by HBO in some capacity. Cuello had given Chavez Jr a really stiff test in March 2009, but Alvarez steamrolled through him with no trouble whatsoever, physically overwhelming the Argentinean-born fighter. It was no contest, and Alvarez was quite impressive in this fight.

September 18, 2010: Carlos Baldomir

Baldomir was older than dirt for this fight, and he had looked it in recent outings. But he was presented as Former Welterweight World Champion Carlos Baldomir. This was the co-feature to the dreadful Mosley vs Mora main event in Los Angeles, and most of the crowd clearly came to see Canelo, who drew by far the biggest reaction of the night and may have wound up the only reason anyone went home happy. Baldomir had nothing in the tank, but Canelo did what he was supposed to do by becoming the first man in over 16 years to stop the iron-chinned veteran.

December 4, 2010: Lovemore N'dou

N'dou had more left than Baldomir, and he proved it by lasting the full 12 with Alvarez. This was the first fight where you could see some frustration from Canelo, who wanted to put on a good show but was stifled a little bit by the still durable N'dou, who despite being a natural junior welterweight fighting at 150 pounds for this one, was able to avoid taking much significant damage. Alvarez controlled the fight and easily won, but he didn't wow anyone. N'dou didn't let him.

March 5, 2011: Matthew Hatton

Though this fight was perfectly decent to watch, it still sticks in my craw as a major sham that the WBC allowed to happen. For one thing, Matthew Hatton had zero business fighting for a vacant 154-pound title. He was the European welterweight champ coming in. Second, the contracted 150-pound catchweight wasn't met by Alvarez, which is the biggest problem, as the WBC allowed the vacant belt to go to him with the near-shutout decision win anyway. If the fight had a normal 154-pound limit for the 154-pound belt, and Alvarez couldn't make weight, they wouldn't have let him take the belt. But I guess since he was still under 154 (he weighed in at 151.5), they just chose to ignore it. I mean, oh well!

June 18, 2011: Ryan Rhodes

Rhodes was supposed to be a slick, semi-dangerous veteran opponent. But he wasn't. It was clear early that he wasn't physically strong enough to deal with Alvarez, who bullied him and beat him up when he got the chances to unload. Rhodes was stopped in the 12th. I thought this was a terrific performance from Alvarez, who was cool, calm, and collected, and put his punches together beautifully on the timid Rhodes.

September 17, 2011: Alfonso Gomez

Now this is a fight that really intrigues me. Yeah, the stoppage was early, but Alvarez was almost surely going to win and probably was going to get him out sooner than later anyway. But what I found a little bit fascinating was the fact that it was the first sign of arrogance and true ego from Canelo, who frankly dicked around in the early stages of this fight, working on some bastardized form of the James Toney shoulder roll that absolutely did not suit him at all. Toney, and Floyd Mayweather who also uses a shoulder roll defense, got away with that because both had fast hands, incredible ring IQ, and they had seriously dedicated themselves to the style. Alvarez was out there just fooling with it and it didn't work. Gomez was able to do some good work and was in the fight, despite going down in round one and being way behind on the scorecards.

It was a sign of disrespect, I think, from Alvarez. Follow that up with his involvement in the Ulises Solis attack down in Mexico recently, and I think you can see little personality cracks starting to show.

I always say you shouldn't forget that Alvarez is still a 21-year-old for two reasons:

  1. When you're honest about it, it makes his level of competition look at least understandable, and in my opinion, fairly impressive.
  2. We really don't know how he's going to handle a few things, like stardom, adversity, and an inevitable first loss. You never know with fighters until the pressure is on, in and out of the ring.

If Alvarez disrespects Kermit Cintron the way he did Gomez, that could be trouble. I think Cintron's always had an overrated punch, but he's definitely a harder hitter than Gomez, and if he can catch Alvarez the way Gomez did a few times, he could do actual damage.

The future still has a lot to hold for young Canelo -- whether that's a continued climb into megastardom, a collapse, or simply a plateauing of his value and his skills relative to his competition, we'll find out. 2012 could be the pivotal year for him, if he gets through his final fight of 2011.

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Good article. Very good.

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by Boss Man on Nov 26, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

excellent write up. me, im not too concerned with the hype. keeping everything in perspective, canelo is a good prospect developing nicely, in spite of the spotlight and ballyhooing. im sort of surprised at how huge he’s become though, given his lack of pure athleticism. is red hair that big of a deal in mexico? weird mark to stake your claim on.

but anyway, canelo’s rise to glory will live and die with his technical development. he needs to develop a bag of tricks, slickness to overcome his middling hand and footspeed. for what its worth tho, he’s got a very impressive component in how he puts his punches together. you really dont see too many guys mixing it up the way he does, with accuracy and force. probably my favorite thing about canelo.

by The Twillness on Nov 26, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Agree all points on Canelo. Natural red hair is unheard of in Mexico, definitely sets him apart,and with him being attractive, it makes him more noticeable..

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by BoxAnne on Nov 26, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Mexican and I've met a bunch of red haired people over here.

Not that big a deal, really.

“Canelo” is a form of calling him “cinnamon-like,” due to his head. Kinda like a nickname and that’s that.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 26, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’m from Mass., so what do I know, but he’s the only one boxing I’ve ever seen, the few I’ve met personally were all brunette.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So we can see a number of fights that may be in his future, assuming he beats Cintron is his next loss coming soon?

A few people possibly in his future:
Kirkland, Lara, Angullo , Chavez?

Would you guys choose any of them over Canelo? What if a Mayweather or Martinez fight comes up down the line, does Canelo have any chance at all this early?

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by Chris Sarda on Nov 26, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

If i were his promoter i definitely wouldn’t put him in with Mayweather or Martinez yet (thought the money for the Mayweather fight might mean it happens).
Kirkland would be a great opponent for him in the near future, imo.

by Matt Mosley on Nov 26, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d give him more of a shot against Floyd than Martinez simply because he’s bigger than Floyd. I give him little shot against either, though.

I’d pick him over Kirkland in a brawl, think he’d totally destroy Angulo (who I really don’t think is very good at all, just a poor man’s Margarito in a dog collar), and think Lara could outbox him easily on a good night. Chavez would be interesting.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 26, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If I try to put myself in the shoes of a heartless promoter, I try to answer the following question about Canelo when I think about potential matchups. How much of a chance does he have to win this fight? How bad would it be if he lost to this guy?

Kirkland – Man this would be a great matchup but its too much of a risk for Canelo. Kirkland needs to have a bit more of a bigger name and have a couple more fights like the Angulo fight before I would consider Canelo. Kirkland is a high energy pressure fighter that is always going to be a challenge especially for a young fighter.

Lara – He beat Paul Williams and he also inherited his problems. Too good yet not big enough of a name. Unfortunately, I really don’t see how Lara becomes a big name, I don’t even see why anyone would want to fight him. He has no upcoming fight for exactly this reason.

Angulo – Now this is becoming more of a possibility. Angulo could be a showcase for his boxing skills and then he could finish the show with a war. Angulo might have conditioning troubles and would make an exciting fight. Angulo is a pressure fight, but he is a crude pressure fighter who might run out of gas. Canelo has a much better chance of winning this fight and Angulo does have some name recognition.

Chavez – Canelo has a very good chance of winning this fight and there is a huge amount of money on the line. I would think that this fight could almost get 40 million views in Mexico which would be stupid huge. But Chavez is TR and Canelo is GB, and one of them will lose their megastar status after this fight (unless it turns out to be an awesome fight) and its likely to be Chavez, which means TR will never make this fight. Chavez – Canelo will be the new Mayweather – Pacquiao.

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by Waldo Rastel on Nov 26, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Lara over Alvarez. Not Angulo. Probably not Kirkland or Chavez, although Chavez does improve.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Nov 26, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hatton, Rhodes and Cintron are pretty good names to have on a 21 year old’s record. However the fact that they are all ‘world’ title fights just seems a tad absurd. I like watching both Alvarez and Chavez, but they both annoy me on account of how they are promoted:

‘He is the world champion and the best in the division/ he is only a baby, the big fights will come later when he is ready’.

Still when the bell rings I have no problems with either guy, though I prefer watching them without HBO hype ringing in my ears.

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by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 26, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

 bq. who frankly dicked around in the early stages of this fight, working on some bastardized form of the James Toney shoulder roll

that’s exactly how I felt at the time watching it! I thought to myself that this might be showing a little mental defect. I think we know by know that Canelo isn’t going to be the kind of fighter that is thinking destruction every fight. He MIGHT be lacking a little in the killer instinct. Not saying he won’t have a great career, but I’m already seeing those signs.

I was watching the fight with some non-boxing fans and they couldn’t understand my frustration haha. One guy told me “he’s winning and he’s showing good defense”, and proceeded to explain the shoulder roll defense to me, to which I responded “this isn’t his style. He should be walking this guy down”.

by Sammlung on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree on lack of killer instinct. He fights to the level of the opposition somewhat, which is smart, really. If he runs into stiff resistance, he gets pissed off and makes them pay pretty immediately.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Nov 26, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with the lack of killer instinct. Just watch his fights with N’Dou and Rhodes and you’ll see Alvarez’s lack of killer instinct. Carlos Molina would present huge problems for Alvarez, and Lara would box Alvarez’s shoes off.

by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Nov 26, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Lara.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Nov 27, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff, Scott. I also like Canelo because he gets women into watching fights, and that's good for the sport.

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by Matt Miller on Nov 26, 2011 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Great piece.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 26, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

It was a sign of disrespect, I think, from Alvarez.

I don’t think trying to see if a style works for him or not (it didn’t) is disrespectful.

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by Eugene Banks on Nov 26, 2011 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

It does show he lacks respect for the opponent.

Whether that’s the same as disrespect is semantics. But, would Alvarez experiment in-ring and half-assed with a new style against someone he thought posed a serious threat?

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by gzl5000 on Nov 26, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe. Who knows? I just don’t agree with the comment. It’s just something he wanted to try. So he did. Plain and simple. You think Erik Morales disrespected Manny Pacquiao in the 12th round of there first fight when he decided to fight southpaw? I don’t. It’s something he wanted to do so he did it

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by Eugene Banks on Nov 26, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It reminded me a lot more of Donaire going southpaw against Tyson Marquez than Morales going southpaw against Pacquiao. Donaire and Alvarez both basically said, “Well let’s see what this can do, since I have no chance of losing to this guy.” It turns into more of a sparring workout than a fight, and one guy clearly isn’t taking things all that seriously.

Morales was just demented.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Canelo Chavez is a sure thing but wish I could say when.

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by pakinpower on Nov 27, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

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