Alvarez vs Cintron Results: Canelo Stops Kermit, Calls Out Floyd Mayweather Jr
by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 12:16 AM EST
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Tonight's big main event in Mexico City lived up to one billing, and fell far short of the one the promoters tried to sell.
While Golden Boy and the WBC and everyone else involved in making money off the fight hyped Kermit Cintron as a veteran risk for young Canelo Alvarez, the money-making redhead, it has seemed somewhat clear for a while that Cintron just doesn't have it anymore -- whatever it ever was.
And tonight, Alvarez may have put the final nail in the coffin of Cintron's relevant boxing career.
Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KO) and Cintron (33-5-1, 28 KO) were both tentative in the opening two rounds, with Cintron flicking a jab out and Alvarez throwing a few combinations here and there. But in the third round and beyond, the tide turned toward the Mexican. It became very clear that for Alvarez, the first two rounds were a feeling out process. For Cintron, they were pretty much all he had in him.
Mentally and physically, Cintron, 32, looked weathered tonight. Once Alvarez hurt him in the fourth round, Cintron reeled, and took a knee. At the end of the round, Alvarez, 21, badly hurt Cintron again, and Kermit was held up by the ropes for a good eight or nine seconds after the bell before even trying to return to his corner.
It was at that point that referee Hector Afu of Panama rightly started to work cautiously. In the fifth, to his credit, Cintron came out throwing power shots. Kermit may indeed have left all he had left in the ring tonight, but the problem was he didn't have a lot left to leave.
With Cintron again taking clean power shots to the head and body, Afu stopped the fight at 2:53 of the fifth round, ending the night of a man brought in to be an opponent, who may have had the desire to be more than that, but just didn't have the juice left in his body to be more.
I hope this is the last time we see Cintron shoe-horned into a big fight. He's just not good enough, and he doesn't respond well to pressure. More troublesome, he seemed to physically respond poorly to taking clean punches anymore, and he might consider his future in the sport altogether, let alone at the top level.
Post-Fight: Canelo Wants Floyd
After the fight, Alvarez called out Floyd Mayweather Jr, and while many will dismiss it as a fight that Alvarez can't win, well, I hate to say I told you so, but it's the fight I still expect on May 5 if cooler, more reasonable heads can't prevail and the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight doesn't happen yet again. Alvarez is young, won't lose credibility being beaten by Floyd, and is worth a lot of money. His status as a cultural phenom would mean big business in Mexico and the U.S. -- I would almost guarantee that fight setting a new TV record in Mexico. The chance to see the youngster go after the top dog would be a huge deal.
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I thought Alvarez looked pretty good. Nice thudding power. Though I am tired of people describing him as having a perfect record.
Cintron needs to hang em up.
Ditto Kermit
If you aren’t prepared to all but die in the ring, don’t get in it.
Because the other guy might be.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
After the fight, Alvarez called out Floyd Mayweather Jr, and while many will dismiss it as a fight that Alvarez can’t win, well, I hate to say I told you so, but it’s the fight I still expect on May 5 if cooler, more reasonable heads can’t prevail and the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight doesn’t happen yet again.
So do you think this is this the most likely scenario for 2012:
Marquez-Pacquiao IV
Mayweather-Alvarez
Pacquiao-Bradley
Mayweather-Khan
Exactly what I’m thinking.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
or if Marquez got the W
Pacquiao-Marquez V instead of Bradley?
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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think Arum will touch Alvarez with Cotto
by RRod806 on Nov 27, 2011 9:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m certain he wouldn’t, but he would put him back in with Manny, which is what bachwards was referring to.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 27, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yuppers that line up looks right to me…
Unless we can get that elusive Mayweather Pacquiao fight.
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 27, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Call me crazy but I think the fight with Mayweather vs Paquaio is gonna happen. Team Paquaio has been putting pressure on Arum to make it!!
by mississippi33 on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Mayweather. Really?
Cotto could beat him with a hand tied behind his back. Can he be marketed to America as a credible threat to Floyd?
You can argue the stoppage was a little early but the way the end of that fight was rounding out and some of the other stoppages we’ve seen over the last few months, that’s the last one you’ll see me complaining about.
I think the stoppage came about 20 seconds late. If ever I’ve seen a shot fighter, it’s been Cintron in this fight
by RRod806 on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have no idea who Canelo will fight but he has plenty of growth ahead and he is an attraction no matter who he is matched with.
They are not going to feed him to Floyd now and I doubt they could even mak a deal with Floyd. Mayweather would almost assuredly demand all the money….and there is no reason that Alvarez would capitulate given how big an attraction he is already.
He has many options. That interview was PR/Posturing IMO
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Canelo could possibly make a deal for the Mexico money,
then if he could just get Southern California too he’d be filthy rich…
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by Chris Sarda on Nov 27, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
He has to get that from Floyd
nd I doubt that happens
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
i kinda thank
That the canelo fight is almost as Rich for floyd as Pac. He is such a huge huge draw in Mexico that thing is just soaked in money
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Nov 27, 2011 12:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
why are all these bigger guys calling out smaller fighters as if there is no one to fight? I understand u want money but earn it by making a name for urself and fighting good fights not by riding the coat tail of Mayweather or Paquiao who are visibly smaller guys. Not to mention these guys are 10 years older. This is the next generation of boxing make fights and dominate the money will come. Mayweather and Paquaio had to earn there way to the top of the sport. No one put them in the ring at 24 with a huge name fighter 10 yrs older. The super six has 1 fight left make that happen with the winner. Or go after Chavez JR. Martinez Abraham etc. There are fights to be made.
You always call out the big names.
The king is dead, long live the king and all that.
by tkeithwhite on Nov 27, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm just growing bloodlust or something
But did anyone else think that was a blatantly early stoppage? I mean, Cintron was HURT at the point when it was stopped, but I feel like at that time there was no way the ref could have actually known that because he jumped in so quick.
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Cintron was looking for a way out anyway, the 4th round just shows.
No heart, so might as well mercifully end it.
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 27, 2011 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but yeah, was a bit of an english stoppage.
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 27, 2011 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A bit.....but KC was sort out of it for the last three minutes
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think had he not been having trouble and looking like he was losing his legs on almost every shot for a round and a half he’d have been afforded a bit more leeway but he was not in good shape
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 27, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
The guy was dropping his hands and barely throwing arm punches at that point. What’s the point of seeing him being put out cold. Seemed to me like he phoned it in.
by RRod806 on Nov 27, 2011 9:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well at this point, he’s obviously pretty much done, but I give Cintron all the credit in the world for that 5th round. I’m convinced he hurt his leg in the 4th, and was obviously still hurt going into the 5th, but he went down swinging. How much more can you ask for? He didn’t just try to survive, and he didn’t quit. Don’t want to hear anyone say Cintron doesn’t have balls.
Anyone willing to fight has balls. However, you have to question his will to prepare. It’s bad for his health and it’s not entertaining.
by RRod806 on Nov 27, 2011 9:42 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
“After the fight, Alvarez called out Floyd Mayweather Jr,”
In terms of Alvarez winning – “Ahahahahahaha”
In terms of it doing good business – “Ah….hmmmmmmm…Fair point”
In terms of it being entertaining – “Can’t imagine it wouldn’t be”
And I doubt Alvarez would headbutt FMJ
by TheMysticalNinja on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 AM EST reply actions
I’d really like to see him in against Erislandy Lara or Sergiy Dzinziruk, actually. Those are talented guys who don’t make a ton of boneheaded mistakes.
But I really think he’s gonna get the Floyd fight.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
At what weight would the Floyd fight be?
I honestly think Mayweather will go for Morales (ughhhh) instead though
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alvarez can’t get below 152, probably.
Mayweather’s not going to fight Morales.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
If nothing else, let’s say Mayweather actually had interest in that (he doesn’t). They’ve already tested the public waters with that idea and it came back a big “absolutely not, are you fucking kidding me?”
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
After the fight, Alvarez called out Floyd Mayweather Jr, and while many will dismiss it as a fight that Alvarez can’t win, well, I hate to say I told you so, but it’s the fight I still expect on May 5 if cooler, more reasonable heads can’t prevail and the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight doesn’t happen yet again.
Alvarez will be embarrassed in that fight. It will be laughable. No one will ever take him seriously again.
So I’m in favor of it.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 27, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions
I can hear the promotion soundbites now from Floyd: “Alvarez is a tough young kid. A hungry lion. Undefeated champion.”
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
Apprentice, if it happens you will be so right
by RRod806 on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's to soon
Golden Boy isn’t going to throw the kid under the bus.
Oscar knows that his beating JCC did more to alienate him from the Hispanic/Mexican audience that it did to make him more popular. I can’t imagine from a PR point of view why he would risk having the kid so exposed this early to a certain defeat.
It would be undermining his long term future value in favor of the short term gain.
Plus as I said before, I can’t see Floyd sharing anything but a smidgen for the kid who has a right (as an attraction) to demand it … so I can’t see the fight being made.
Alvarez did the right thing by saying what he wants. now his managers will do the right thing an bring him along safely. He’s just not there yet.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
How is losing to the best P4P fighter in the world akin to throwing the kid under the bus? Matching Alvarez with Kirkland would be throwing him under the bus. Alvarez becomes a big name if Alvarez even looks remotely decent against FMJ. Hell by your logic GB totally threw JMM under the bus by matching him with FMJ. Poor Juan, he never got another big payday after that shutout.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Nov 28, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Golden Boy did throw JMM under the bus but yhe promoted both fighters and more tghan likely knew that Marquez was not under contract with them much longer. Hence the motivationto make the fight.
Also, marquez was an aged star not geeting younger, deserving of his parent company getting him as many paydays as possible. He was and still is near the end of his career. So their bus had already pulled out…and it was prudent to get him on it while they still could.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That old star just never had any gleam after the Mayweather fight. Yup he never did anything else and didn’t get a chance to avenge any of his past defeats.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Nov 28, 2011 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
You take a kid with this kind of superstar potential and no matches and/or fights of significance to support his created/inflated record and image…. and then toss him in with one of thez two best fighters in the world bar none, you have thrown him under the bus.
Alavarez needs rounds and rounds with progressively better oponents who can show him what it is like to swim in deep waters. That is what his matchmakers have been doing and that is what the shoukld continue doing. Getting him work. building real confidence.
As to whether Alvarez would look remotelty decent fighting Floyd, I doubt it. He is slow, methodical and can be tagged hard. Floyd would dissect him like a surgeon , leaving his crew to eat the liver and fave beans.
Alvarez the now invinible would become, at worst, Ricky Hatton, an formerly undefeated attraction who never got over being exposed. And Hatton was far more advanced that Canelo. One more devasting loss and Ricky was no longer.
Losing an O, whether it was built and padded or not, is hard for anyone. Losing badly is even worse. Some recover. Others not so fast. Others not at all.
Alvarez has a bright future. He makes money ever time out. He and his team can wait. They bring money to the table no matter who they fight. They do not need to expose and possibly break a young bulls confidence so early in jhis career.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
if the fight happens at 154
i favor alvarez. mayweather has never faced a fighter with the combination of power, size, and reach that alvarez possesses. he’s not the quickest fighter around, but he’s extremely accurate with his punches …and the body shots are something that floyd’s shoulder-roll defense will NOT be effective against. alvarez’s cover up defense is perfect for assaulting a counterpuncher …and mayweather is not that quick on his feet anymore. he’s going to be there to get hit by those thudding body blows. alvarez can land 1 punch for every 2 that floyd lands and still get the better of the exchanges and systematically break him down. we’ve already seen floyd wobbled badly by an old, slow sugar shane … it’s definitely not out of the question that a bigger stronger younger alvarez could take him out.
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