Weekend Boxing Results: Canelo, Arce, Soto Win in Mexico, Broner and Russell Win in Cincinnati
Mexico City, Mexico
Results: Canelo Alvarez TKO-5 Kermit Cintron ... Leo Santa Cruz TKO-3 Jorge Romero ... Nobuhiro Ishida TKO-1 Edson Espinoza ... Salvador Sanchez II SD-12 Alexander Monterrosa ... Gilberto Ramirez Sanchez TKO-4 Samuel Miller.
[ Post-Fight Recap ]
Analysis: Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KO) pretty well handled Cintron (33-5-1, 28 KO) after feeling him out for a couple of rounds, forcing him to a knee and badly hurting him again late in the fourth round, and then laying in enough heavy shots that the referee had seen enough late in round five. Cintron looks like a man who is disinterested in engaging in a real fight anymore, which has sort of been the feeling ever since Antonio Margarito crumbled him for the first time back in 2005. Cintron doesn't like being hit, and really doesn't respond well to it at all anymore. It looked like an easy win over a shot, irrelevant opponent who didn't deserve the title fight going in, and that's what we got. Any future major fights for Cintron should be dismissed as a sham. And I don't even know what the HBO team was getting so nostalgic about last night.
Off-TV, one of my personal favorite prospects, Leo Santa Cruz, won again, improving to 18-0-1 (10 KO) with a total nothing fight, beating a guy who was 0-1 coming in. But even that may have been better than what they gave Nobuhiro Ishida (24-6-2, 9 KO), as Ishida was facing a guy making his pro debut. For those who don't know know much about Sal Sanchez II (27-4-3, 15 KO), imagine JCC Jr or Jorge Paez Jr or Hector Camacho Jr, but worse. Middleweight prospect Gilberto Ramires Sanchez (20-0, 18 KO) keeps plugging along.
Results: Adrien Broner KO-3 Martin Rodriguez ... Gary Russell Jr KO-1 Heriberto Ruiz ... Deontay Wilder KO-1 David Long.
[ Post-Fight Recap ]
Analysis: It would be quite a stretch to say that any of these guys picked up a significant win, but all of them did their damage fast and thrilled the small but vocal crowd in Cincinnati. Broner (22-0, 18 KO) has major talent, but is already picking up a reputation he may not want. He does a little Floyd Mayweather impression with the hair-brushing and the ego, and it's all just forced personality. But whatever, I guess -- if people remember him for that and tune in to see him fight for any reason, it's good, and though I'm not sold on the kid (he reminds me more of Devon Alexander than any great fighter), his skills are clear.
Russell (19-0, 11 KO) on the other hand is, I believe, going to be the real deal. His only downsides that I can see so far is he's not a real big puncher (though Heriberto Ruiz may disagree, as Russell knocked him flat out) and he's short even for a featherweight, at a listed 5'5" that really may be closer to 5'4". The punch can be offset by his outstanding speed (he's up there with the fastest in the sport) and strong fundamentals. But he might not have a whole lot of room to move up in weight as he gets older, which could make for a short prime.
And then there's Wilder (20-0, 20 KO), still doing the same damn thing he's done since turning pro, learning nothing while he demolishes a guy who's way below his level.
If I were grading these guys on their overall potential, as in how good of a career I expect them to have, I'd go: Russell with a strong B+ or maybe an A- if he can stick at 126 pounds for most of his career; Broner as a B for now, but cautious that it could go way up or down; and Wilder at D+. Wilder is just doing nothing with his pro career, and keep in mind he's also 26 years old.
After the Jump: Jorge Arce, Humberto Soto, Thomas Oosthuizen, Juan Alberto Rosas, Ryan Rhodes, and more.
Mazaltan, Mexico
Results: Jorge Arce UD-12 Angky Angkotta ... Juan Alberto Rosas MD-12 Zolani Tete.
Analysis: Arce (59-6-2, 45 KO) got his second win over Angkotta (25-6, 14 KO) in a fairly bogus vacant bantamweight title fight, giving Arce his fourth full world title and, in his mind, his fifth. So now Arce thinks he's one ahead of Erik Morales, but he's not, really. This was a much better fight than their first bout in January 2010, when Angkotta came with the strategy to stand still against the ropes and let Arce punch him. This time, Jorge didn't have any easy outing, and had his hands full. The plan is for him to move back to 122 pounds and go after the WBO belt he just vacated, if and when that title is contested between Nonito Donaire and Wilfredo Vazquez Jr, which is expected in early 2012. Arce won this one on scores of 118-110, 118-110 and 117-111. The fight was absolutely closer than those scores make it sound.
The co-feature was also a pretty damn good fight, as Rosas (36-6, 27 KO) outpointed Tete (15-2, 13 KO) on scores of 115-112, 115-112 and 113-113. Both fights are worth tracking down.
Playa del Carmen, Mexico
Results: Humberto Soto TKO-4 Adailton De Jesus ... Jose Luis Castillo TKO-2 Sammy Ventura ... Marvin Quintero TKO-3 Virgilio Enrique Ramirez.
Analysis: Hey, look everyone. It's Humberto Soto in another weak fight. Soto improves to 57-7-1 (34 KO) with this "no shit" win. Honestly, if you grade on a curve, Soto's schedule isn't that much better than Deontay Wilder's. Honestly, as much as I've railed on Soto, look -- if he wants to fight this level for the rest of his career, it's no skin off my ass. He's not taking up HBO slots with these fights or anything, so whatever. I'll continue to doubt his claims that he wants the big fights until he actually makes one (he's not lacked for a power promoter at any point), but he's not really harming anything beating up a bunch of crappy opponents.
37-year-old former lightweight champ Castillo (63-11-1, 54 KO) returned for his first fight since March, when he was easily defeated by Jorge Paez Jr in Mexicali. In so many ways, Castillo has only himself to blame for his current predicament, where he's fighting because he needs the money badly, but I still do feel a bit sad for him -- he's got nothing left and hasn't looked like he wanted to be in a ring since Ricky Hatton tore him apart. He's had a long, memorable, tough career, is the only man I think has a legitimate argument to have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr, and was part of the best fight of my generation. And this is what it's come down to for him.
Kempton Park, South Africa
Results: Thomas Oosthuizen TKO-11 Francisco Sierra ... Sipho Taliwe UD-12 Jasper Seroka.
Analysis: Oosthuizen (17-0-1, 12 KO) is one of my favorite prospect/contenders out there -- those guys who haven't fully matured or developed yet but are already doing a little damage. Really, Adrien Broner is sort of that same level, but his division's weaker so he ranks higher. Any 6'4" super middleweight with real talent is going to turn my head, though. This is a guy to watch at 168, if you haven't been doing so already.
Trabazon, Turkey
Results: Selcuk Aydin UD-12 Jo Jo Dan ... Ondrej Pala UD-12 Darnell Wilson ... Erkan Teper TKO-2 Cisse Salif ... Benjamin Simon TKO-1 Ruslan Rodivich.
Analysis: Scores for the main event this time were 115-111, 113-112 and 113-112, all for Aydin (23-0, 17 KO). Aydin put Dan (29-2, 16 KO) down in the first and seventh rounds, and Aydin also lost a point in the 12th. Dan did knock Aydin down in the fifth round, but the referee didn't score it. Maybe these two should fight on neutral ground somewhere if they're going to fight at all. Germany's always up for a fight.
Motherwell, Scotland
Results: Anthony Crolla UD-12 Willie Limond ... Matthew Hall UD-12 Kris Carslaw.
Analysis: Apparently that night in September in Vegas was just a total off-night for Crolla, who struggled with a club fighter at the MGM Grand, because he dominated Limond in this one. Not that Limond (34-4, 8 KO) is some top talent, because he's far from that, but Crolla (23-2, 9 KO) looked so iffy in September that I thought this might wind up competitive. Not so much. Hall (24-4, 16 KO) was essentially giving the fight game a final go against Carslaw (14-1, 3 KO), and came out winning on scores of 96-94, 96-94 and 97-95.
Kawasaki, Japan
Results: Masayuki Kuroda SD-10 Hayato Yamaguchi.
Analysis: Kuroda (21-3, 13 KO) retains his Japanese junior flyweight title with a tougher-than-expected win over Yamaguchi (7-3-1, 0 KO) on scores of 97-94, 96-94, and 94-95.
Yorkshire, England
Results: Ryan Rhodes PTS-8 Sergei Khomitski ... Curtis Woodhouse RTD-4 Gary McArthur ... David Barnes PTS-6 Isaac Quartey.
Analysis: Rhodes (46-5, 31 KO) had some thinking to do after his blowout loss in June to Canelo Alvarez in Mexico, but returned on Saturday a little north of middleweight for a get-well win over Khomitski (23-9-2, 9 KO), which was a decent enough choice of opponent. You may remember Khomitski as the man who retired Jamie Moore in April 2010, in Moore's first fight back after a grueling TKO loss to Rhodes in October '09. He's shown that if a fighter has nothing left, he can prove it.
Woodhouse (16-3, 11 KO) got his win when McArthur (16-3, 2 KO) pulled out of the fight with a hand injury. And just in case you're possibly wondering, no, that's not Ike Quartey that lost to former British junior welter champ Barnes (25-2-1, 11 KO). I assume I don't have to tell any of you who read this far that, but I am continually astounded by some of the things boxing fans around the internet say in full confidence that they're making sense or are correct, so I figured I'd mention it.
Other Results: Chauncey Welliver DQ-7 Galen Brown ... Joseph Kwadjo KO-2 Zulfikar Joy Ali ... Diego Gabriel Chaves KO-3 Jorge Daniel Miranda ... Javier Maciel KO-1 Nestor Faccio ... Joel Brunker UD-12 TI Yamagata Aguelo ... Monty Meza Clay SD-8 Leon Bobo ... Johnny Lewus UD-6 Allen Litzau ... Ricardo Nunez DQ-7 Juan Esquer ... Miguel Callist UD-8 William Gonzalez.
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Castillo and money
Why does Castillo, the guy who gave us one of the greatest fights of the last ten years and gave Mayweather one of the toughest fights of his career, need money? How much of his purses is in Bob Arum and his “managers” pockets?
He was sued a couple times by Diego Corrales’ estate and Gary Shaw. As for the second question, a good amount.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not taking the fight when Corrales came in over weight for the third fight
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Loss of money, PPV revenues, etc.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ishida fought a guy making his pro debut? How is that allowed?
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How is that allowed?
Exactly. it’s ludicrous and GBP should be ashamed of themselves and held to account.
A guy with 30+ fights fighting a debutant? That’s almost as bad as Wongjongkam’s “exhibition” KO’s out in Thailand.
Disgusting.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 27, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I like knockouts, even brutal ones, but I’m not a fan of putting on fights which are so much of a mismatch that a brutal KO is a near-certainty rather than a possibility. I know that it is just part of boxing but that doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
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there really oughta be a law, such that, say, no one can have more that 10 more fights than their opponent unless both of them have more than 20 bouts. That doesn’t seem that restrictive or hard to implement as part of an amendment to the Ali Act or something.
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But shouldn’t say, 5-0 prospect be able to fight a guy who’s say, 10-8? I agree with your sentiment, but wonder how hard it would be to make work.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 27, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know — I think common sense should just be expected of people. But we wouldn’t have Rico Ramos vs Guillermo Rigondeaux with that law, and I don’t think anyone believes that’s any mismatch.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Oosthuizen (17-0-1, 12 KO) is one of my favorite prospect/contenders out there.
Couldn’t agree more. He is fun to watch and is probably the future of that division.
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by tylerrcurtis on Nov 27, 2011 11:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Oosthuizen is a very talented fighter, and he is a very tall 168 pounder. Oosthuizen along with Ismayl Sillakh are two of the most talented prospects/young contenders for me.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Nov 27, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
nice recap
totally agree with the broner and russell analysis/comparison. russell seems to have the goods (albeit packed in a relatively small package). it’ll be neat to watch how he uses his tools to deal with his stature.
broner looks good, but i’m not sure if it’s andre berto-type good or something that can develop into something more. we’ll see. in the meantime, we’ll have to deal with the horribly forced prima donna attitude.
funny about Wilder. the nice part is that you can come up with a one sentence summary and copy and paste it just about every month. who’s managing this dude?
Floyd and Berto were both ring side in Cincy last night, they were chatting it up a little bit. They’re both managed by Al Haymon, right?
Even though I drove 3 hours to Cincy and the main 3 fights lasted less than 5 rounds I had a good time overall. Russel’s and Wilder’s bums both got KTFO which was pretty cool to see live, but I still wish the competition had been a notch or two better.
I was sitting right next to Berto.
Nice guy. And yes, he and Floyd ended up chatting it up and laughing, They were very friendly.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 27, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Bet you’re happy Pops. The comp wasn’t elite, but Broner closed the show nicely.
I’m a little higher on Adrien than Scott………………I think he has fight changing power in his hands that Alexander lacks (though Urango may disagree).
He really does have pop.
I think Adrien’s in a tough, yet enviable position. He tried to make a fight with Burns, then Perez, but ended up with this guy yet gets complaints about the level of comp. He’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 27, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t blame him for this fight. There were a lot of better fighters he could have fought than this guy, and I assume he would have fought them. I question the WBO for sanctioning this as a title fight (but what’s new), HBO for approving the opponent on their network, but not Broner.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's fair.
Adrien for his part, wants to be great. Boxing business gets in the way.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 28, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Both Haymon guys, as are Broner and Russell.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Forget Mayweather. It won’t happen, This was a staged scene by Oscar and Canelo was the pawn.Doesn’t he need to fight one of these guys?
Martirosyan——-not dangerous
Trout——Dangerous
Kirkland——-DFangerous
Molina——not dangerous
Williams——-not dangerous
Bundrage—not dangerous
Cotto-Margarito winner—$$$$
Mayweather—retirement money but extremely dangerous
My own choice is the Cotto-Margarito winner because if it’s Cotto, you have the PR thing and if it’s Margo, you have a Mexican Mega fight. That to me makes the most business sense, plus I think Canelo beats either guy.
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No mention for Erislandy Lara who would outbox Canelo every round?
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Nov 27, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think so. Canelo can box pretty well, and Lara is a bit overrated because of how bad Williams looked.
Plus Canelo hits harder. I would pick Canelo.
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by Matt Miller on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I like Lara. He has skills. I would pick him UD over Canelo. I think he has the reach of a heavyweight (was it a 6 foot wing span?). IMO in this situation as Berto says “skills pay the bills.” Have a nice day!
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he didn't outbox Carlos Molina every round
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I like that idea (Cotto-Marg winner). Good angles either way.
Mayweather may be where more money is at, but it’s a one-sided fight………….Mayweather would counter those slow hands all day and night.
what bout angulo?
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Angulo, the guy who couldn’t even beat Kermit Cintron despite allegedly being the exact type of fighter that Cintron can’t handle. I don’t know how to put this, but Angulo is not very good.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
Facing Molina might not be dangerous like it is facing a Kirkland or Angulo. But I don’t see that as an easy night for Alvarez. Molina has already shown he’s a good fighter with his non-official win over Lara. I see Alvarez-Molina has a 50-50 fight
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Williams——-not dangerous
I’ll take Punisher on that shit. Twice on Sunday. Three times on St. Paddy’s Day.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 27, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Canelo on that shit. 14 times on Sunday. 33 times on St. Patrick’s Day. 106 times on Easter. 107.5 times on Halloween.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Is Canelo going to learn how to throw an overhand left before the fight?
If not, I’m not concerned.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is more that I think Paul Williams isn’t very good and won’t be prepared for anything.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's shown a susceptibility to one, very specific punch
Which Canelo doesn’t throw.
What many expected to be a one-sided contest turned into a solid fight as Gomez pushed the pace and threw a high number of punches to keep Alvarez from getting into rhythm for the early part of the fight.
No less an expert than Brent said that about the Gomez/Alvarez fight. I know another fighter who can throw in numbers and at pace and get Alvarez on the back foot.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Alvarez wasn’t exactly trying in the first part of the fight. He was working on his shoulder roll for some reason, and not really pushing the pace. When he turned on the gas, he ended the fight. He could have gotten Gomez out in the first 2 rounds if he pressed the pace from the get go.
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by Waldo Rastel on Nov 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
He could have gotten Gomez out in the first 2 rounds if he pressed the pace from the get go.
He was off his game. Whether that was because he was implementing a stupid gameplan or because Gomez took him out of his gameplan is open to interpretation. I have my theories.
It’s all moot because GBP won’t put him in that tough, even though folks here seem to think it would be a whitewash.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point but it is also like saying that Donaire was off his game when he was trying to box people as a southpaw. He was just trying to do something in the ring that he isn’t good at and it showed. He was doing it because he knew the competition was completely overmatched. Is that off of his game? I don’t think so but I could see your point of view.
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by Waldo Rastel on Nov 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's what was happening
I think Gomez’s activity forced him into that defensive posturing. And I think Williams could do the same.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 28, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Staged for certain….with no intention of having anyone act on it.
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Meant for Bossman above
Canelo was just ‘doing his job’ having his name mixed up with Floyd’s. It is a preposterous mismatch and the fight won’t be made for a multiplicity of good reasons.
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Canelo should fight Martirosyan
It’s a perfect fight for both guys. Wasn’t he his mandatory?
Martirosyan seems to be all talk
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
by Eugene Banks on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
No realistic fights in his division so Broner should probs move up now.
by Shitali Klitschko on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How about Adrien Broner versus Diego Magdeleno, or against Argenis Mendez. Both are matchups I would love to see made at super feather.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Argenis Mendez, Juan Carlos Salgado, Eloy Perez, Diego Magdaleno, Juan Carlos Burgos, the Uchiyama-Solis winner, Takahiro Ao, he could rematch Daniel Ponce De Leon.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:55 AM EST up reply actions
Maciel won with a pretty brutal body shot that had Faccio spitting up blood. Faccio obviously wasn’t the best opponent, but I’d still like to see Maciel mix it up with some of the other higher ranked guys in the division. He clearly belongs at 154 and not 160.
Didn’t do bad at 160, either. I’m thinking that cat can fight a little. Would also like to see him get another shot against a highly-ranked guy.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 28, 2011 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
wilder and Broner
Wilder Might not be fighting anybody, but he made a lot of Cincinnati people fans last night. He couldn’t get to his seat last night without people of all ages asking for his autograph and pictures. A lot of people who didn’t know who he was before last night were talking about the boy from Alabama. And it was a pro Cincinnati crowd. The only person who was more famous that night was Broner. Even Gary Russell Jr. didn’t get the same love. On Broner, a lot of people might not like his shtick on television, but live he had the hometown rocking with his introduction. He got a lot of respect for bringing boxing back to the city. There hasn’t been a champion here since Tubbs. Also, on the undercard Golden Boy is behind another prospect out of Dayton, OH named Pearson who made his debut last night. He fought a nobody, but He might be worth keeping an eye on.
by tacklerford on Nov 27, 2011 10:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Pearson did well
and I enjoyed the work he did. The guy he fought has no business continuing to fight.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 27, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
It was a helluva a lotta fun last night.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
The first Jo Jo Dan – Selcuk Aydin was in Turkey, but this second one was actually not only in Turkey, but in Selcuk’s hometown of Trabzon, where he had only fought once before, so this was a homecoming, sort of, with quite a bit riding on it, so, to be succinct, who could possibly have expected any other result?
And I don’t think they could have fought in Germany. Aydin’s people would only fight in Turkey and they were in a position to refuse any other deal because if it came to it, they would have won any purse bid. Jo Jo Dan’s hands were tied regarding the location. It’s one of those “put food on the table” kind of fights, sadly :(

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