Angulo vs Kirkland Results: James Kirkland Hammers Alfredo Angulo in Six
by A.F. on Nov 5, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
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It started off as a wild back and forth brawl, but by the time the end came, James Kirkland had administered a frightful beating on an exceedingly game Alfredo Angulo. The Mexican brawler was on his feet at the finish, though taking a pounding along the ropes with Kirkland landing bombs at will. The time was 2:01 of the sixth round.
The Texan's night very nearly came to an early end, when he was caught with a huge counter right hand early in the first round, though he weathered the follow-up assault, before sending Angulo to the deck before the opening three minutes were over. Angulo, who may have punched himself out in going for the early finish, was looking fatigued by the third round, and from that point on, though still firing back, was in retreat. Kirkland won from long range, and from in close, using his edge in speed to beat his junior-middleweight rival to the punch, while repeatedly backing him into the ropes with punishing salvos.
The fifth round was one-way traffic. Angulo in continuous retreat, with Kirkland marching forward, sticking home jabs, uppercuts, heavy body shots and big chopping left hands. Occasionally, Angulo, who's legs were looking weak, tried to fire back, though there was little steam on his counters, and it was a wise move by the third man to jump in and call an end to the contest in the sixth round.
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I added just a bit to the Quillin recap because I had a couple extra thoughts there, but I have nothing to add to this. This fight was absurd. I mean this in the most humbled, admiring way possible: That was the type of fight where, if some Senator watched it and introduced a bill to outlaw pro boxing, it would be hard to argue.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Well it is clear we found the round of the year in this fight…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
meant for BloodMeridian below
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
yes, at one point I felt guilty for enjoying it
by BloodMeridian on Nov 5, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ain't that the truth
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
No problem. I rushed the Quillin recap in order to get it finished before this one started. If I could add one thing though, it would be heap praise on Ann Wolf. He’s merely ordinary without her… but with her, he’s a beast. I didn’t think the same Kirkland that we same coming up a couple years ago existed anymore, but she brought all the fire back.
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Whatever it is that she does (besides physically kicking his ass with the training), it’s perfect for him. He’s not the same without her, and it’s a night and day comparison. I’m so glad they’re back together, because boxing is more fun with this James Kirkland.
And goddamn but hats off to Angulo as well. He took horrific punishment out there. He may never be the same.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right… some fighters are never the same after taking so many shots. Angulo did one thing I have never seen him do… have his back to the ropes. An action fighter like him, that is almost impaling yourself.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Kirkland sure as hell exorcized some ghosts tonight. He was rugged and gritty as Hell in the first round, and his chin won him this fight as much as it lost him the Ishida fight.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Yeah I said it in the live thread, but that right hand that put Kirk down in the first round was V-I-C-I-O-U-S. Nobody would have stood up to that thing, and a lot of guys wouldn’t have gotten up. A lot of good fighters. His chin ain’t so questionable anymore.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 5, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I drank this NeuroSleep crap my wife has so that I could get a full night’s rest tonight. That fight has me buzzing in a sort of haze right now. That fight was so good it’s battling off sleep aids and winning.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 5, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, then it sounds like it’s about time to ask you about “Nebraska.” Or Maybe Hank Williams Sr.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I like how SC put it….
This fight was absurd….
I mean… it takes major balls to go to Mexico in the first place, get dropped with 30 secs and withstand a storm of punches… and then… open up a can of whup ass to a guy as tough as Angulo who never back up.
It is perhaps the most impressive performance of the year in my eyes….
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Danny Jacobs on Twitter: “Next time I see those two fighters ima give em both $65.00 bcuz that was PPV material”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Way to survivor!
I couldn’t believe that James survived the first round without clinching. He got hit with a signature Alfredo right hand. I think he grew up right there in the ring. He was managing his distance and relying on what he trained to do. Bravo. Now only if we could get them to mute Jim’s mic during the fight.
by dubmaker on Nov 6, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
He seemed extra insufferable last night.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He's so far gone as an announcer at this point.
And frequently, there is this note of desperate insecurity in his voice that turns into annoying over-compensation. If I could pick one announcer I’d like to see go the most right now, it’s JL. I didn’t always feel this way.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I gotta admit, I really didn’t think JK could get it back together, especially after Ishida splattered him. I thought he was going to be another lost cause. I’d love to see him do something big now, and keep out of trouble. Let’s do Kirkland-Chavez Jr. I’d like to see JCC’s kid stand up to some firepower. >:)
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Kirkland has a better chance facing the Supersix winner/Mayweather/Manny than JCCjr… Common…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I was thinking Kirkland vs any one of Martinez, Lara, Canelo or the winner of Wolak v Rodriduez II would be a great HBO BAD show.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 6, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If Wolak wasn't Top Rank
Wolak-Kirkland would be fantastic. A perfect undercard fight if they have to work together for Mayweather-Pacquiao.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So I have to pull for Delvin then?
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 6, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's likely to happen never
But after a performance like this, I’ll bet you there is a long line of top fighters at 154 who want to fight him, because they see how easy he is to hit and think they can avoid his power. I’ll bet that Erislandy Lara, Carlos Molina and, hell, probably Sergio Martinez will be calling him out within the next 48 hours.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Throw Ishe Smith on that pile as well.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Molina?
I love me some Carlos Molina, but he loves to sit in the pocket and rip to the body. Kirkland salivates over that style.
Yeah, but Molina is tough and really crafty inside. James’ biggest vulnerability is how easy he can be to hit, and clean shots you don’t see can put you down. I’d favor Kirkland to mow him down, too, but I think it could be interesting.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know its horrible and he deserves more, but I’m not sure that HBO would go for Molina.
I’m guessing that HBO just tries to match Kirkland tough with name guys and watch the carnage.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Screw that then
They want name fighters? How about Kirkland-Mayorga? Tell me that would suck.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Another fight that was supposed to happen in 2009 or whatever it was.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Kirkland would eat Cintron in one bite, and alone in the multitude, I don’t hate Cintron.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
That’s likely to happen never
Well, shit, you could say that about JCCjr vs. anybody. DARE TO DREAM BRICKHAUS.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
For Jrok
Have to give props for Ann Wolfe for his turnaround. Without her there is no way he was getting up from that KD
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I would PAY to see Kirkland retire JCC Jr!!! That would make my day!!!
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Nov 6, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Me too, Smitty
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
One thought here for Joe Frazier. I;m sure all of us our thinking of you, and I think tonight being such a great night for boxing has got to be a good sign for you! We love you and pray for you, champ!
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
My thoughts and prayers are with him as well. Smokin’ Joe Frazier is a legend, hope he pulls through
by HandsOfStone98 on Nov 6, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
So who's next for Kirkland?
Seeing as how Angulo will probably drop a few spots from his pre-fight no. 2 division ranking in the Ring, is Kirkland now the hot new commodity at the junior middleweight? If so, I’m wondering who’s next. Martinez sounds like it could be a possibility (and certainly a matchup that fight fans would be keen on), but if it did happen it’s likely that Kirkland would have to move up in weight, and I don’t know how effective he’d be at 160. Wolak, Molina, and Lara are all possible matchups as well. I’d personally love to see Canelo Alvarez take on Kirkland though, two guys who can bang. And it’d be a TV-friendly fight, that’s for sure.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see an Ishida rematch early next year while they map out a next big fight. I mean, I don’t NEED to see it, but the Ishida ass-whipping was legit. He clowned Kirkland. James might want to avenge that.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s exactly where he should go. He have to try, because it’s not likely the chance will be there long.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
It isn’t like Ishida has capitalized on that win whatsoever…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Right
But that doesn’t really matter for JK. If vengaence is ripe, you take it.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Vengeance is a dish best served cold and Kirkland had an icy look in that ring tonight. Angulo could have been SERIOUSLY hurt if that ref didn’t step in. Kirkland was punching like a man possessed tonight.
Yeah but if there is even the slightest lull in his career, JK should press hard for a fight with Ishida. He just has to. That’s just Boxing. FFS, not sure why Khan didn’t go after Prescott a year ago.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I was agreeing with you.
I don’t know though. I’m not a boxer for a reason but if I’m Ishida there is no way I’m getting in that ring with Kirkland after the display he put on tonight.
by glatin1982 on Nov 6, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RIGHT
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He almost signed fights with a couple different guys
And he has a “silver” title fight against Khurtsidze in a month in what looks to be a VERY interesting style clash. At the end of the day, he’s still a Teiken fighter, and if they can’t get him a big US fight, they can get him one in Japan. The Kirkland win probably didn’t help him much there (how would a casual boxing fan in Japan even know who he is), but they should still remember him as a former titlist who’s made a few good fights.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It isn’t like Ishida has been allowed to capitalize on that win whatsoever.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Scott, I didn’t think of the prospect of the rematch with Ishida, but you have a point. Any time a fighter gets obliterated the way Kirkland did in that fight, he always wants to avenge himself if and when he gets another chance. A rematch with Ishida would both be a solid bout while they plan out the next big opponent, as well as give him a chance to redeem himself and quiet the naysayers who doubt his chin or ability (as if there are any left after witnessing tonight’s performance)…Khan and Ortiz have had to take similar routes after embarrassing losses set them back, so I guess Kirkland may have a longer road ahead of him before he’s talked about on a championship level
"The next time, I send him to the morgue."
by HandsOfStone98 on Nov 6, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If I'm GBP's matchmaker, I don't know if I want that
Maybe James doesn’t get knocked out, and Ishida’s chin is iffy anyway, but Ishida is a bad style matchup for James if he fights off the back foot as he usually does.
The more I think about Kirkland-Mayorga, the more I like it. Not sure Kirkland is a big enough draw to justify the expense though.
If I were a betting man, I’d say they stick him with Cintron next. Or perhaps recent GBP signee Luis Collazo, who’s made some good fights before. Unless they think he’ll be a better stepping stone than a star, they’ll never stick him with Lara or Mora. Eventually, probably Jermell Charlo, but that’s a year or two off. And I do think Alvarez-Kirkland will happen eventually. Alvarez doesn’t have a spectacular chin either, but in about 6 months to a year I think he’ll be enough better than Kirkland that it becomes a safe fight to make.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And would be a decent candidate for Alvarez's first PPV headline card
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I see your points, from a financial angle…
But, James must exact his revenge. It’s important for him as a fighter.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
While GBP hasn't been as good at 'protecting their assets' as Top Rank
I suspect they’ll still try. But I do think Ishida beats Kirkland 1/4 of the time no matter what version of Kirkland he faces, and I don’t know if those odds are good enough for them to give him a rematch against a no-name.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Like I said, you might be right about the finance angles
But…. he MUST. I know with dudes like Khan, Ortiz, and Vitali running around, we tend to forget. But… you MUST try to avenge your defeats. It’s a long term legacy thing.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
why is vitali on this list?
as far as i know, vitali would LOVE a rematch against Lennox Lewis. vitali was winning that fight anyway until it was stopped.
I don’t mean they don’t “want” them. I mean that they were successful without them.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Kirkland on an Ishida rematch (via Rafael post-fight chat):
“Right now the way things are going, a rematch with Ishida, I’m not going to look back. If it happens it happens. As long as things are going uphill no need to go backward.”
Seems ulikely to me, but I like the idea of the rematch since he’s unlikely to get a fight with Canelo soon. Maybe we’ll get lucky and WBC will order Ishida rematch as the next eliminator for Canelo. Doubt it though.
I seriously doubt the handlers of either JCC Jr or Canelo let their guys fight Kirkland.
Too dangerous
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
We hardcore fans, Angulo, and Kirkland (and Wolf) all win tonight.
Wish I could have been around for the thread, but I threw a boxing part tonight to show some friends a good night. Bute vs. Johnson didn’t live up, but two people at least left my house eager for more fights tonight.
Boxing wins.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
er "party" not "part" obviously. I'm just psyched I finally had friends over for a fight that delivered the goods.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
what a fucking fight
can’t see Alvarez weathering the storm against Kirkland. Angulo was a beast. I say that in the past tense because that was a life changing fight. He took a scary beating from the end of the first round on. He would have died before he quit and I’m glad the ref stopped the fight…
Three things hurt Angulo.
1, Having only fought less than 2 minutes in the pass 18 months. His timing was off
2, He punched himself out going for the stoppage
3, The speed difference. Either Angulo is that slow or Kirkland is just that fast. I think it’s a little of both
They need to rematch. Having Kirkland relavent again is a good thing
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
surprised it took this long for someone to suggest a rematch. angulo punched himself out like an idiot within the first minute of the entire fight. kirkland devastated his ass after that, but i’m not 100% sure that it wouldve gone down the same had angulo NOT punched himself out.
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Nov 6, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
All he had to do was pick his shots more carefully in the first
Instead he was fighting with his heart. Kirkland, to his credit, weathered it and never gave Angulo sniff of the V after that.
It would have been intersting if the tables would have turned. If Kirkland was the one that put Angulo down first… WOuld he have done an Angulo and punched himself out…. or would he have fought smart, like he did in reality.
I think it helped the round came to a close after Kirkland put him down. Let him regain his composure, let Ann Wolfe tell him to fight smart
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Harold said something about one of the judges having Kirkland up by one point. That judge should be
thown into the ocean near Cancun. WTF kind of despisable crookery is that?
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Seriously?
I gave him a share of the first at best. Other than that Kirkland beat the shit out of him
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
The only explantion for that is
Having seen the first round…. He thought,
Yeah, like fuck is this going 12 rounds, and filled out that pile of filth on his card
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
With all respect due to Freddy Roach,
Anne Wolfe is the next generation of trainer and people need to give her the respect she deserves. She’s hardcore.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Nov 6, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
With all due respect to Ann Wolfe — and I have a ton of respect for Ann Wolfe — her training isn’t going to jibe with 99% of fighters. Kirkland is a rare animal in that sense.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
what does she do that’s so different? was it really her training that made the difference? i mean if angulo’s shot had landed in a slightly better spot, or if he had managed to finish kirkland instead of punching himself out, are we even having this discussion? freddy roach gets a ton of credit for the development of pacquiao … but i feel that’s different because there are obvious improvements in his right hand, his footwork, and technique.
Well if Victor Ortiz had beaten Floyd Mayweather we wouldn’t have had all those discussions either. “If he had managed to finish Kirkland” kind of says something though — Kirkland didn’t let him, and he wore Angulo out in the process. Some of the defense he played surviving the cobwebs was really great stuff, and yes, I think Ann Wolfe made that difference. She got him back into real fighting shape, which he admittedly was not earlier this year under Kenny Adams.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Kirkland didn’t let him, and he wore Angulo out in the process. Some of the defense he played surviving the cobwebs was really great stuff
I still think if Angulo had threw less punches, but better quality, he would have got Kirkland out of there. He kind of smothered some of his own work in doing so IMO
Agree 100% about Wolfe making all the difference to Kirkland however
by Sweet science on Nov 7, 2011 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
Very good points Scott
Most fighters can’t fathom working as hard as that.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Nov 7, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
If Angulo is still alive and not broken
a rematch would be great…..it would draw massive hype, they could even pay-per view it…..they PPV’ed Hopkins v Dawson (i know it was only because HBO was over budget) but they still did it and at least some people bought it, but even if its not PPV it will be a good enough pay-day for both….and if Angulo is cleared to fight it would be an easy to get him to agree.
This was the only one I had wrong out of 13 and I am happy about it.
Mora over Flores (Flores was topnotch years ago but was out of action between 2002 ands 2010)
Angulo over Kirkland (shoot out)
Lebedev over Toney (Toney is too old for this guy)
Sillakh over Ismailov (slick and stylish)
Bute over Johnson (could be a stoppage)
Molitor over Gauthier (Molitor on comeback trail)
Green over Demer (so is Green)
Quillen over McEwan (Kid Chocolate steps up)
Wilder over TBA (This is getting sickening)
Arreola over Butler (easiest pick of the year)
Groves over Smith (Brit dust up)
Burns over Katsidis (I see the Kat as being shot and Burns as exposing that)
Jones over Marrone (Marrone will get chilled)
12-1. A good weekend.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
you should play the BLH pick em game and lay it on the line with the rest of us.
Solis needs some more serious competition.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Dubious as to what extent Molitor is on the comeback trail. By all accounts, he scored a total robbery of Gauthier and never deserved the nod.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Nov 6, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think Ted posted that earlier in the week
And has C&P’d it to proclaim his picking greatness :)
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Props to Angulo for his courage. No quit in his DNA. None.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
That fight might well have ended El Perro's career
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Just watched that 1st rd again (YouTube), and man that ref was VERY close to stopping it in the first……………a couple more solid shots from Angulo, and we’re having a different conversation.
I would love to see a rematch.
I thought that was what was going to happen… I kept waiting for the ref to stop it… and then, suddenly, Kirkland became alive. That was the scariest version of the rope-a-dope I’ve ever seen (maybe seen the actual thing for the first time was super scary too… but i didn’t have the privilege of watching Ali do that live…)
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I think the ref deserves big credit for this fight
Imagine if he had pulled Kirkland out in the first. I think he realised the way Angulo was punching without thinking, he was gunna punch him self out and sure enough, Kirkland made him PAY
First two minutes was all Angulo…. the rest of the fight, Kirkland was the man. Boxing behind that jab proved very effective. Angulo could have used a jab like that.
This is true. He walked a fine line last night and did it very responsibly in my mind. I mean, we could also say that he should have stopped it sooner than the 6th, but I think he was aware that he needed to give Angulo chances because they were fighting in his turf and his fans wouldn’t have been happy with an early stoppage… but I think most sane people will not protest that stoppage. Angulo took a hell of a beating.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I think the stoppage was fine. Angulo was doing just enough but then when it did come, he was on the ropes and his head was snapping back. Any later and then I would not have been praising the ref. But I think he got it spot on. Very well done to him
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
on replay the ref can clearly be heard in the first round, when Angulo backs Kirkland into the corner, and Kirkland is covering up and having a hard time returning fire, say “I’m gonna stop it” to Kirkland. That apparently was all Kirkland needed to hear because he found a way to get out of that corner and then hurt Angulo. But definitely the ref was very close to pulling the plug on Kirkland in that first round ….
This fight was the first boxing fight I've watched since Mayweather vs Ortiz
Coming from a MMA fan, this was seriously the most bad ass fight of the night, and the UFC 138 was really entertaining card.
Damn it! I stretched out on the couch last night after Groves-Smith to rest up for Bute-Johnson, and fell dead asleep.
+1
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Bute-Johnson may have put you to sleep if you’d stayed up anyway.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Guys, I know I’m in a minority here, but really, I didn’t much like what I saw from either guy in this fight.
Yes, it was exciting. Yes, Kirkland’s stamina is an awesome surprise. Yes, they both showed a lot of heart.
But seriously, Angulo was so unprepared for this fight it’s almost scary. Come on, it took him one minute of (mostly missed) punching to totally run out of breath. THAT is what he looks like after months of training??? Some guys run miles and miles every day and are able to keep up a frantic pace for 12 rounds, even at higher weights (see Ward, Bute, Cleverly, Adamek).
And Kirkland isn’t going anywhere with his style either. After the Ishida fight and months of talking about righting thinks, it took him exactly 30 seconds to run straight into a huge right hand. He can’t stay away from trouble for 1 minute? A lucid and well conditioned boxer would have taken him out. The other 5 rounds don’t impress me at all, it was just target practice against a totally spent fighter.
I saw ZERO footwork, ZERO head movement. I know you’re going to say “these are brawlers, not boxers”, but seriously, if you want to be considered elite in the world, you need a little education to your style. I’m not just being a snob about this, it’s for their own good. A good technical boxer would beat them even if he had half their talent, heart and power.
I know you won’t agree, but after this fight, they both drop out of my personal top 10 for the weight class. Canelo, Molina, Lara, Cotto, Dzindziruk would embarrass these guys. Badly! Especially Kirkland with his chin. The fight would’t last 4 rounds.
What were you looking for out of these two fighters?
The second coming of SRR?
I doubt Cotto beats Kirkland either, unless Cotto shows me something truly amazing against Margo
A lucid and well conditioned boxer would have taken him out. The other 5 rounds don’t impress me at all, it was just target practice against a totally spent fighter.
Would they have the power to put Kirkland on his ass in the first place. That was a hellacious shot Angulo caught him with
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
pretty harsh
both angulo and kirkland have big big power. they hit a lot harder than all those other guys you mentioned … canelo, molina, lara, cotto, dzindziruk. any brawler with the kind of power that angulo and kirkland have is always dangerous no matter who they are facing.
Could you recap the Gatti vs Ward trilogy for us next? I feel like having all the fun taken out of boxing. Enjoy Bradley vs Casamayor.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Look, I’m not saying it wasn’t fun, I’m just saying the two guys seem to me to not be near the top of the 154 pound division.
That’s perfectly alright though, not everybody has to be the best fighter in his division. Most great fights are not between the very best, but among the middle-class of any one weight-class.
Right, exactly. I don’t think you’re blowing any whistles here — both are very vulnerable fighters who will lose to better fighters. I’ve tried saying that about Angulo for a while but oh well. Kirkland I think is actually a much better talent, and when he starts getting his real conditioning back — he used to have SERIOUS endurance, not just determination endurance like last night — he’ll be a real force.
I think on Monday I’ll probably have Kirkland in the back-end of the 154 top 10 and Angulo is probably falling out since he’s never beaten anyone of much merit. Joel Julio, I guess.
Also I was just making a joke, really. To each their own and shit.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
They’re very vulnerable fighters who can beat anyone any night because of what power and determination means in this game.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome reply!
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by SmittytheCutman on Nov 7, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Caveman Lee and LoCicero weren't exactly shining talents either.
We’re talking about a good, entertaining and memorable scrap here, not the particulars of the division. Frankly, round one is ROTY front-runner for me right now.
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A Molina fight makes sense to me
After a night’s rest following a thrilling fight, I’ve come to agree that Canelo is probably too much for Kirkland. As opposed to talk that Canelo needs to mature more before fighting someone like Kirkland, I’d like to see more evidence that Kirkland is ready for Canelo. I’d like to see James in with Molina, or Austin Trout, who has what should be a relatively easy one Friday on Showbox. Sounds like you’re sure Kirkland would lose either of those. I’m not, which is why I’d like to see them.
Can't see that one
Berto’s defence is almost non exsistant. As soon as either Angulo or Kirkland catch him they will make him pay.
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
That is unless Angulo is spent from last nights beating
The jury will be out on him for now
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
One of the big topics of speculation about him before last night was his extended inactivity. It may not have determined the outcome, may it may have determined the character of the event itself. Maybe.
Oh for sure
He might not have gassed so bad in the first round. He may have stopped Kirkland when he had him going. He didn’t though, and the beating he took is one that might last.
by Sweet science on Nov 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Radu,
The Kirkland who fought last night is hard to beat. He has to be knocked out or the ref has to stop it for him to lose. Nobody can outwork him. His defense last night was way better than it had been. The only shot he got caught with was because Angulo caught him slipping to his left after throwing a 3 punch combo ( right hook to the body-right uppercut-straight left). After that Kirkland adjusted and started ducking under Angulo’s right hands instead of trying to slip them…Kirkland was not a brawler last night. He was a smart pressure fighter who never smothered his own power. His punches were short and accurate throughout the fight…
and as for Angulo’s conditioning, he was badly hurt and probably concussed after the first round, so that probably affected his stamina more than anything. You can run a marathon every day and that won’t prepare for the kind of pressure Kirkland was applying. To prepare for Kirkland, a fighter would probably need to rotate in a fresh pressure fighter every round
Reminded of the beating Margarito took against Mosley
And yeah the ring rust definitely affected el perro, he is not used to finish guys with 1 punch but instead just wear them down and he forgot how to pace himself
Perro didn’t look real good physically to me last night going in. He said he was in shape, but he wasn’t. And he thought he was fighting Ishida’s leftover dinner. But he wasn’t.
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Wasn’t this the same excuse for him losing to Cintron? Minus the Ishida part.
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Nah he had a flu in the cintron fight. Now it was the 2 minutes of boxing in 2 years that did him in
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by battle axe of doom on Nov 6, 2011 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well it’s always something.
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being concussed and taking body shots has a way of making a fighter look gassed. Angulo was trained by Nacho Beristain who has trained a number of hall of famers. I doubt he would go into an HBO fight with a fighter who slacks on conditioning..
I doubt he would go into an HBO fight with a fighter who slacks on conditioning..
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