Chris Arreola and the Klitschkos: Does "The Nightmare" Deserve Another Shot?
As has been stated repeatedly as Chris Arreola has shifted gears in his career in 2011, the popular, action-friendly Mexican-American heavyweight brawler has one goal in mind: A shot at Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko. A shot at the greatest glory in the heavyweight division.
Of course, Arreola (34-2, 29 KO) has been in with a Klitschko before. Back in September 2009, one week after Floyd Mayweather Jr decimated Juan Manuel Marquez, Arreola had his face beaten into a purple pulp by Vitali Klitschko, who skated around the ring, pumping his jab into the eager face of Arreola, stifling every possible attack before it could even get very close.
Arreola didn't lose that fight because he didn't try to win, as so many Klitschko opponents have been guilty of in recent years. He lost because he wasn't good enough, and frankly, because he was too damn fat. Weighing in at 251 pounds on the scales, Arreola's conditioning was heavily criticized as he jiggled around the squared circle. He was a target more than an opponent in the end.
A little over two months later, Arreola was back on HBO against Brian Minto. He had lost no fans with his brave effort against Vitali, drawing praise for his toughness and his good humor after the fight. He had admitted his flaws, vowed to get into proper shape. HBO even did a video feature on him for the Minto fight that highlighted his newfound dedication.
That well went to hell when Arreola showed up on the scales at a career-high 263. In that instant, the ha-ha jokes about burritos and Coronas had grown tired. Arreola, fun heavyweight in an era of boring big men, was killing his own career with laziness.
The wake-up call didn't come immediately. Arreola blasted out the undersized and overmatched Minto in an exciting slugfest, then returned in April 2010 to lose to Tomasz Adamek, a talented fighter, but a fighter lacking a true heavyweight's frame. He injured his hand in that fight, and did so again in August against Manny Quezada.
2011 has seen Arreola turn a personal corner, but professionally, it's very easy to argue he has stagnated. While that still makes him one of the world's better heavyweights, and it's good to see him try, let's look over his 2011 slate of victories and see if he's really deserving of another shot on the biggest of stages.
January 28: Joey Abell (KO-1)
Arreola came in at 249¾ for this one, no real difference from his earlier fights, and tore through Minnesota club thumper Abell (27-5, 26 KO) in just 2:18. A fight more to test his hand out after five months off, Arreola did his usual job in this one, and nobody thought much of it, though it did draw one of the highest ratings on Friday Night Fights all year.
May 14: Nagy Aguilera (KO-3)
For a little under four months, Arreola hit it hard, and dropped a real 15 pounds. Down to 234 on the scales, his lowest weight since 2007, Arreola turned a few heads when weigh-in photos saw him looking shockingly slim. Aguilera (16-6, 11 KO) was no challenge, as Arreola winged wild shots en route to a knockout at 1:58 of the third round.
May 27: Kendrick Releford (TKO-7)
A few doubters of Arreola's discipline had to check themselves with this one. Friday Night Fights had an opening, so Arreola stepped up to the plate just 13 days after his win over Aguilera, taking on a crafty and tough veteran gatekeeper in Releford (22-15-2, 10 KO). It wasn't pretty, but it gave Arreola some rounds, which he needed, and he dominated. The fight could have been stopped earlier than it was, and it was a mercy call when it came. Arreola was at 236 pounds here.
July 9: Friday Ahunanya (UD-10)
Another fight where Arreola won without much trouble, but got to work. Ahunanya (24-8-3, 13 KO) had survived 12 rounds with David Tua in March 2010, and the only stoppage loss of his career to date came in 2004 against Lance Whitaker. The Nigerian gave 236-pound Arreola some tough looks, and Arreola, though he won on near-shutout scores (99-91 twice and 100-90), admitted his displeasure with his own performance in the fight.
November 5: Raphael Butler (TKO-3)
After a four-month break, Arreola showed up still in shape, weighing about 240 pounds -- a little heavier than the previous three, but he actually looked a little tightened up in this one, so maybe it's a good five pounds or so. He blasted the game Butler (35-12, 28 KO) in his Mexico debut.
The Value of These Wins
Value is low, at least if you're only considering the opponents and not the man himself. Sure, none of these guys were world-beaters, but in terms of how much legitimate chance the opponents had to win vs the man they were matched against, were these fights any worse than Wladimir's upcoming stomach-turner with Jean Marc Mormeck, or Vitali's 2010 romps with Albert Sosnowski or Shannon Briggs?
I hate to go to the idea that the Klitschkos fight worse opponents as a legit reason for Arreola to get the shot. So here are some other good reasons:
- Emanuel Steward, Wladimir's trainer, seriously wants the fight.
- Arreola has guts to spare (in a good way now) and fights his heart out. Even at his most out of shape, he fought hard for as long as he was in the ring. He's fought through injuries. He's fought through his own indifference to training.
- Arreola is marketable, and he's popular.
- He is, in my opinion, still one of the division's best fighters.
Now all that said, I don't think even the very best Arreola can beat either of the Klitschko brothers. As much as I like watching him fight, he's not good enough to beat them. So I guess what I'm saying there is, I wouldn't mind seeing him get the shot, and sure, he deserves it as much as anyone else does.
But there are other fighters I'd like to see him face instead, or at least before another Klitschko shot, and there's time to do that. Wladimir's fighting in December and probably won't fight again until next summer. Vitali is reportedly fighting in March, and he wants to get David Haye out of his fake retirement.
Since none of the European guys (Dimitrenko, Helenius, Fury, etc.) are going to fight Arreola (it just won't happen, because neither side will travel for that risk), how about a fight with Franklin Lawrence, Bermane Stiverne, Johnathon Banks or a (potentially) rejuvenated Sergei Liakhovich?
There are steps he can take between the guys he's been fighting and the Klitschkos. There's risk involved in stepping up even one rung on the ladder, of course. But if Arreola is truly deserving, fights on that level shouldn't worry him.
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No, at least not yet. The actual boxrec-ranking of those opponents named above range between #83 and #183. If he avoids even top-50-fighters, he’s not deserving, no matter the frequency of his fights and “how good he looks like”. And he could grant us some interesting fights by taking on somewhat higher-level opponents.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Not saying those were good fighters, but boxrec’s ranking system produces some notably screwy and sometimes outright crazy results.
Bad Left Hook
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You can certainly use them as a guideline
I think that is what was done here.
Simply put, that competion is shite
by Sweet science on Nov 7, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Friday the Thirteenth isn’t terrible. That was a good fight to take.
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-- Fritzie Zivic
We’ve been here before, and still (like Sweet Science) I think that the boxrec-ranking – though certainly not a perfect diagnostical tool – does hold some value – particularly if scores can be used in an aggregated way. They may often be wrong about some rankings, but if the best ranking out of 6 is #83, this definitely tells something imo.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
I don’t see Arreola really imrpoving on his condition any more than he already has in the last six months. Also I don’t see his skill set improving either, which is already pretty damn good. I would say he should take the fight whenever it comes. Its not like Povetkin will ever give Arreola a shot to take the David Haye ‘non-Klitschko’ route to being a ‘heavyweight champion of the world’.
Maybe a rematch against Adamek in the mean time would be a good idea, to see if Arreola has improved? Mind you I think Adamek could need time to recover from Vitali, he got hammered.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
I actually like the idea of a fight against Sergei Liakhovich, I’ve been thinking about that ever since I heard about Main Events’ deal with Versus.
How about Liakhovich versus Arreola on NBC in late February? I mean if there’s one american heavyweight that is worth showing off to the mainstream public, that would be Arreola. Plus, that would be a good fight and the best win in years (ever?) for either fighter.
And yes, Arreola deserves a shot at Wladimir. I think next year or two years from now makes no difference. Three or four more fights will not have Arreola “ready” for Wladimir.
with povetkin being protected until the klitschkos retire
i feel like arreola has the best chance of anyone out there to beat wladimir… chris’s body, as you say, looked tight against butler, and his movement and coordination was back
I don’t think even the very best Arreola can beat either of the Klitschko brothers. As much as I like watching him fight, he’s not good enough to beat them.
But
I wouldn’t mind seeing him get the shot, and sure, he deserves it as much as anyone else does
Sums my thoughts up
For as much stick as he’s taken about his weight, I’m not sure it has made a substantial difference to the outcome of any of his fights. Nonetheless, getting into shape has certainly added a few points to the argument that he “deserves” the shot, particularly when some of the recent Klitschko opponents are examined.
I think the weight does make a difference
It’s not just that the extra weight makes Chris slower and more plodding, although that is also a side effect. When he comes in north of 250 pounds, it just shows that he hasn’t been preparing for a fight with the proper intensity. With his skill set, Chris is going to have to fight in a mauling style and outlast his opponent to win against top HWs, and it’s hard to do that when you’re out of shape and the other guy isn’t.
Coming into the ring in shape will probably not be enough to get him a win against Wlad, but it definitely helps his chances a lot.
Adamek
would be my choice, he needs to avenge that loss. And if he can’t fight Adamek and win, he certainly shouldn’t fight a K.
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I’m a fan of Chris, and I would much rather see him face Wlad than Mormeck. Having said that… Chris has yet to beat a single top ten heavyweight… or possibly even top 20. As much as it pains me to say this, Mormeck’s recent heavyweight record might actually be better, just from a name perspective. Ibragimov and Oquendo are both better than anyone Arreola has faced this year. Not that the wins weren’t suspect, but Mormeck got in there with them and didn’t embarrass himself.
by Musashi on Nov 7, 2011 2:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
For the record, I think Arreola obliterates Mormeck if they ever fought. But we tend to grade Arreola based more on his potential than his actual accomplishments. Just based on resume, it’s not that easy to fit Arreola in the top ten (though I probably would).
by Musashi on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I want Arreola to face Wlad
But I want him to give himself every chance of winning as possible. For that, he needs a challenge. Not the dross he has been facing. Maybe an Adamek rematch, and then after that, somone who has the physical gifts of a K brother (Size being the primary one)
I guess I’m too old-fashioned about this, but I think that Arreola should work his way back into title contention.
My first two choices would be Helenius or Adamek. The problem, if Scott is correct, is that no one will travel to take a risk, and that’s a problem, because that rules out Helenius. But, if Arreola is really on a roll, having lost a few rolls, so to speak, is it true that he also would be unwilling to travel?
With regard to Helenius, I think only hard-core boxing fans really know or care about Arreola, and even fewer of those about the HW division, so the fact that Helenius sounds like the name of one of Saturn’s moons won’t make a difference in US interest whether the fight is here or in Europe; Arreola wouldn’t, as I see it, risk much in terms of reputation, since I assume he’d give a good fight. He’d also be fighting some vague semblance, in terms of height, of a Klitschko.
If he really wants to rejuvenate his career, then a trip to Europe might be a good move. If he wins, which I think he has a good chance of, that will notch him up a bit; if he loses well, that’s impressive also, although I don’t think Helenius is all that much. If he loses badly, well, that would tell Arreola, and the rest of us, something important.
If he just wants a Klitschko payday, it would be a bad move, again unless he wins, because I’m sure the Klitschkos know reputation they’re developing; I don’t think either is really afraid of a challenge, and a win would justify at least a rematch. If he loses, then there will probably be no payday, because everyone in Europe as well as America will know about it, and only the most hard-core K fans would pay for an Areola fight.
So, that leaves an Adamek rematch. This would be good, simply from a boxing standpoint, because this is the NEW! IMPROVED! Arreola, and it could be argued that it’s a different fight. Also, it’s the usual rematch between two good fighters: they can’t just fight once, because it would be nice to see what happens the second time around (again, between two good fighters).
I think the rematch, if Adamek is interested, would be a good option. But I don’t think Arreola should get another shot at a Klitschko until he’s redeveloped a reputation that deserves it.
if Arreola is really on a roll, having lost a few rolls, so to speak, is it true that he also would be unwilling to travel?
I cannot possibly imagine Goossen sending him to Europe with the general American promoter feeling about European judges and referees. Not against someone as powerful as Helenius. I’d LOVE to see that fight, but I just can’t see it happening.
I like the Adamek rematch, too. Stick Adamek vs Arreola II on that new Main Events series as the first main event and get it going with a bang.
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No way in hell they're getting enough money
For the series for that kind of fight to happen. Duva would be leaving millions on the table.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 7, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe – obviously you take it to HBO first and gauge the interest, but if the fight isn’t worth x amount more, I think maybe you try to go the different route for the sake of that series being something people care about instead of just another half-assed boxing series.
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Adamek amazes me more than almost any other fighter (with the exception of JMM); he resurrects himself in almost every fight. So, I’d be happy with that.
Would Firtha vary Arreola’s diet a bit? I just rewatched the Fury-Firtha fight, and while I think Fury would be a trial by fire for Arreola, as you pointed out, no one’s traveling anywhere. Firtha would be interesting to me.
Another shot?
Yes, a shot at Franklin Lawrence. Good idea.

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