The Pugilist: Nick Diaz, Daniel Mendoza, and the Sweet Science of Bruising
While this Head Kick Legend fanpost mostly deals with mixed martial arts, it also includes a good deal of early prizefighting history, which I thought some of the readers here might fight interesting.
There seems to be some confusion amongst fans as to how one should regard Nick Diaz’s "boxing". For many, it seems incongruent for him to be labeled the best boxer in MMA when so little of what he does in the cage can be qualified as being "good" boxing; leaning too far forward in his stance while leading with his face; keeping his hands far out in front of him where they can’t be used to protect the head; feet planted instead of light on the toes; very little movement of his head. Needless to say, none of what you’d expect from an elite boxer.
And yet, the results speak for themselves, with his most recent display of prowess coming at the expense of the previously labeled "best boxer in MMA", BJ Penn. How can Nick Diaz be the exemplifier of the "sweet science" when everything he does runs counter to what entails "good" boxing? The answer lies with the fact that everything he does is exactly what "good" boxing calls for, and the only reason we fans fail to acknowledge this is because we have narrowly focused on the sport as fought under the Marques of Queensbury rules, ignoring the lessons left to us by those who competed during the earlier reigns of London Prizefighting and Broughton’s rules. Fortunately, a few of them were thoughtful enough to write down what entailed good boxing for the "sweet science of bruising".
It is most likely that you never heard of Daniel Mendoza, which is of no surprise since his last public match took place in 1820, but if ever there was a kindred spirit to Diaz it was him. A descendent of Spanish Marronos, he was the father of scientific boxing, whose success helped elevate the position of jews in 18th and 19th century English society. And much like Diaz, he seemed incapable of understanding finances while also being notoriously quick tempered with a propensity to fight whenever he felt slighted in the least, having once famously gotten into three altercations while on his way to be a spectator for a match (the three reasons being that someone’s cart had cut him off in the street, he felt cheated by a shopkeeper, and he didn’t like how a man was looking at him). Most importantly he was an amazing boxer, the best of his era, being the 16th man to hold the English (World’s) heavyweight championship (possessing the title from 1792-1795), and the only middleweight to ever accomplish that feat.
The ruleset that Mendoza fought under during his time was the one divised by Jack Broughton in 1743, the very first codified set of rules in the history of the sport, which were fittingly named Broughton’s rules. They were very simple, numbering seven in total, dealing with such things as the size of the ring, the holding of the purse, and the choosing of umpires. Of the seven, only the last had anything to do with what tactics were allowed during competition.
VII. That no person is to hit his Adversary when he is down, or seize him by the ham, the breeches, or any part below the waist: a man on his knees to be reckoned down.
To elaborate: the only thing banned was the hitting of a downed opponent or any wrestling below the waist. Everything else – hair-pulling, grappling above the waist, wrestling or tripping your opponent to the ground, and, of course, striking with the bare fists – was allowed. And since no gloves nor hand wrappings were used, throwing with all one’s might or aiming blows to the head was naturally discouraged lest you break your hand. In fact, striking ability often rated below wrestling ability with regards to importance in gaining a victory, as seen by our three examples below with the the text being from the 1855 compilation Fights for the Championship; and Celebrated Prize Battles (the full title is much, much longer) and the images from Famous Fights: Past and Present, a boxing newspaper that ran from 1901 to 1904.
The Fight between Hammer Lane and Owen Swift
(1834)
Finally, in the 104th round, straining every fibre to the utmost, he fearlessly rushed to the climax, made one last daring attempt to turn the tide in his favour, but nature was exhausted, he was thrown heavily, and all was over.
Image from Famous Fights: Past and Present No. 52
Third Fight Between Bendigo and Caunt, for £200 a Side
(1845)
5. After some sparring, Caunt, who took a dislike to Bendigo’s system of popping and shifting, went in right and left, and at once closing, seized his man as if in a vice, holding him on the ropes till nearly strangled, amidst cries of ‘shame.’ After a violent struggle by Bendigo to get away, he was at last thrown, Caunt heavily on him.
Image from Famous Fights: Past and Present No. 39
Fight Between Tom Cribb and Bob Gregson
(1808)
23. Cribb, to the surprise of all, seemed strongest on setting-to, he contrived to put in two feeble hits and closed; in wrestling he had the good fortune to throw his antagonist, who fell with such uncommon force, he could not come to time.
Image from Famous Fight: Past and Present No. 53
Throws to the ground were something like the body-blows of their day, where damage would be accumulated over time with the goal being to eventually wear down your opponent from hard falls to the earth time and time again.
Another trick which has been used very successfully by some boxers when contesting under London prize ring rules is when wrestling with an opponent to make it a point to fall heavily on top of him, crushing the wind out of him as much as possible.
- BOXING AND HOW TO TRAIN, RICHARD K FOX Publishing Co. (1913)
Since Mr. Mendoza was often much smaller than his opponents, and excelled in the technical striking department, he developed a stance that allowed him to not only attack but also assisted in negating his opponents attempt's to grapple and throw him. Here is his description of how one should stand, which he labeled his second prinicple in "MENDOZA'S TREATISE, WITH HIS SIX LESSONS" taken from "The Modern Art of Boxing" (1789).
the position of the body, which should be an inclining posture, or diagonal line, so as to place the pit of the stomach out of your adversary's reach. The upper part of your arm must stop or parry the round blow at the head; the fore-arm, the blows at the face of stomach; and the elbows, those at the ribs: both knees must be bent, the left leg advanced, and the arms directly before your throat or chin.
This illustration of Mendoza facing off against his former trainer Richard Humphries should give us a pretty good idea of what he is trying to convey in the text above.
Mendoza is on the right, in his recommended stance (although often fighters would lean further forward then shown here, as if "into the wind" ) hands far in front, knees bent. By leaning forward and keeping his hands extended Mendoza made it very diffilcult for any opponent to get him to the ground. His legs were too far back from from his opponent to trip or kick, and if they attempted to rush in he was already braced to meet their charge, his hands extended to push back and keep them away from his body, his forward leaning posture to assist in countering their mass.
From this position he could also launch a wide variety of offensive maneuvers. He could strike with either hand (his first principle was equilibrium of the body, the ability to operate with either the right or left side) with the preferred targets being the face, stomach, and side. And if one wanted to be less than gentlemanly they could sneak in an elbow for good measure. The outstretched hands made it simple to sieze an opponent who entered into range, after which he could trip, throw, or fib (fibbing was the art of putting the opponent in a headlock and then punching away). If you click here you can see an example of initiating the clinch from standing from Ed Jame's 1878 manual "Boxing and Wrestling". And yes, this illustration is from the boxing portion of the book and not the wrestling.
Now, let us examine a gif of Nick Diaz in action against BJ Penn and lets see if we cannot find a resemblance.
If you are interested in reading the rest of this Head Kick Legend post, where we examine the surprising similarity between the boxing of Nick Diaz and 18th century champion Daniel Mendoza, then click here .
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Good stuff. Thank you for sharing. Hopefully it gets rec’d up some more and sticks on our sidebar for a while.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I didn't even think of posting my Diaz breakdown here...
I think I may though, you’ve inspired me. Rec’d here too.
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Fascinating
It’s fun to think that, with the popularity of MMA, the sport of “fighting” has in some ways come full circle back to its origins. Well, except for the 100+ rounds part! I’m not an MMA fan – yet? – all the WWF-like hoopla turns me off. But it might be more interesting to watch it with some of this background in mind. Thanks for this.
WWF hoopla?
Like what?
Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
by RolloTomasi on Nov 13, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I honestly don’t understand this complaint, but I hear it a lot. The entrances in UFC are no more extravagant than boxing, so it can’t be that. Outside of Sonnen, the interviews and lead-up to fights are no more ridiculous. I guess they play more music during the show over graphics and stuff?
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by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Big MMA fan here-
but I think one of the main things that makes the UFC seem like the WWE is Dana White. He’s still stuck in Vince McMahon mode that he can’t (or won’t, intentionally) get out of the way and let his fighters be stars. Right now, it’s still the Dana White show… just this weekend, he downplayed the new Heavyweight champ’s 1 minute knockout win, saying that Cain Velasquez (former HW champ) should’ve been pressing for more takedowns, and then he goes on to say that Dos Santos (new HW champ) has a bad gas tank.
It’s still ALL about DFW… HE’S the one getting into petty twitter exchanges with Jenna Jameson, HE’S the one holding back some of the champions from becoming stars… and it’s just so much like a soap opera that people can’t help but associate it with pro wrestling.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Nov 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, for sure-
Don King and Bob Arum are both epic scumbags.
That said, they are just promoters. Neither of them are presidents of the only major boxing organization.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
excellent post
just caught up…
As a tall guy, you gotta make the shorter guy take risks to get to you. Go through a bad neighborhood to get you.
The talent pool in MMA is a lot smaller than boxing. Diaz’s boxing skills are on par with a sloppy amateurs and posting comparisons between him and boxing legends is simply dishonest.
Diaz only wins with crappy boxing because the small talent pool means he doesn’t have to fight guys good enough to counter it. Especially these days, as the talent pool today is actually a lot worse than when he got kicked out of the UFC before being shit.
20,000 pro boxers
Far over 1 million amateurs
20, 000 pro fights each year
Under 1000 pro fighters
Roughly 300 in the UFC
Perhaps under 10,000 amateurs
There hasn’t even been 20,000 pro fights in the history of MMA yet.
This is all relative to MMA though of course, but only cos the talent pool in MMA sucks.
Really great post
Because it looks like really good bare-knuckle boxing, which is what boxing was for more than a hundred years. The gloves changed everything about stance, tactics, everything. Gloveless is where boxing began, and that’s what it looked like, judging from still pics and verbal descriptions, which are all we’ve got.
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