Khan vs Peterson Results: Lamont Peterson Shocks Khan, Wins Split Decision in DC
by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:18 AM EST
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Lamont Peterson stunned the boxing world and the oddsmakers who had Amir Khan over a -1000 favorite tonight, winning a split decision on scores of 113-112, 113-112, and 111-114, winning the WBA and IBF junior welterweight titles at home in Washington, DC.
Edit: The 114-111 card that was announced was actually 115-110 for Khan.
Any criticism should lie with referee Joe Cooper, who at times looked a bit unprepared for a fight of this level, having a tough time scoring a knockdown of Peterson in the first round when Peterson went down once and it was ruled a slip, and went down again on what may have been another slip.
Cooper also deducted two points from Khan during the fight, which would up the difference on both of the cards that went to Peterson. If not for those deductions, both debatable and for shoving, Khan would have won on scores of 116-111 and 114-113 twice.
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Bad Left Hook scored the fight 113-112 for Khan. Both fighters did well, but overall you probably have to consider Peterson as the better performer tonight. He did terrific body work, and gave Khan fits through much of the fight, forcing the Brit to get on his bike very often.
After the fight, Peterson said he would give Khan a rematch.
Folks, this was the Upset of the Year in boxing, without question, and this was a damn good fight. The oddsmakers who favored Khan so heavily obviously didn't give Lamont Peterson enough credit.
After the fight, Khan said he was fighting against two people, and said, "I was the cleaner fighter. He was a wild fighter. ... He gave me the warning, but I couldn't do anything. He was coming in so low." Khan also said he found out tonight why there hasn't been big boxing in 20 years in DC.
There is some controversy, but what we know is this: There was a damn good fight tonight, and Lamont Peterson was Amir Khan's equal.
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Definitely
I came in expecting two “meh” fights so I was pleasantly surprised w/ both.
It’s honestly my greatest strength.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Great win for Peterson.
Here’s to him keeping them longer than Nate Campbell after his win over Juan Diaz. It just sucks that Peterson is now a target.
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Great Fight.
Close fight.
I had absolutely no problem with the deductions. Khan was holding and pushing down on the head as badly as I’ve seen below HW. Khan was blatantly pushing the head down and headlocking Peterson. It was ridiculous.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Neither did I.
I thought those fouls warranted the deductions.
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point deductions were fine
maybe mis labeled (could have been for holding.. or pushing the head down or whatever) but definitely warranted.. and it just felt like peterson fought the better fight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 11, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I was there live (albeit watching on the big screen because of the terrible setup), and Khan was shoving and headlocking all night, including a couple of rather solid Thai plums. The ref kept warning him, and he kept doing it, and given that he was desperately trying to keep Peterson from getting inside, those were significant fouls that deserved deductions.
by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Khan got away with a lot of dirty crap during the Maidana fight. He loves to push people’s heads down, who does he think he is Herman Cain?
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Great write-up Scott.
Great fight by peterson, I just feel really miffed by the ref.
manny said earlier, pac-vs-floyd is a big possibility.. :)
"Effort without Efficiency is nonsense.." -rk mag
probably
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I thinking. If so, huge win-win for fans.
Great fight tonight, Great rematch next year. And takes an obstacle out of the way from manny-money.
he was a commentator in the viloria-segura fight..
"Effort without Efficiency is nonsense.." -rk mag
Khan in the post-fight
sounds like a childish little bitch in the post-fight. My God he whines.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
And he took it to the ‘this is why you haven’t seen boxing here in 20 years’ level. Tactless
by Joe Landry on Dec 11, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think any non-DC fighter will willingly come to DC for a fight after tonight in the near future?
And keep in mind I say this as a St. Louisan who would advise non-St. Louis fighters not to come to St. Louis to fight a hometown fighter.
by bailorg on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank god
I thought the exact same thing.
We should really come to expect it from him now, but it really irked me. Could see his excuses from a mile off.
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 11, 2011 1:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was some home town refereeing. Peterson was Khan's equal, and the ref put him over the edge.
Its a wonder anyone goes to the other guy’s home country. Every country on this earth rips off the foreigner.
by I'm going slightly mad on Dec 11, 2011 12:24 AM EST reply actions
“That was some home town referring”
Explain this to me. Why? Was he not blatantly holding? Consistently pushing with the elbow to the face? The head couldn’t have been so low with those face elbows.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
He was holding.
He was also pushing.
That said, Peterson was coming in head first all night. I’m fine with that. I don’t mind roughhousing.
But you can’t penalise one fighters infractions while ignoring the infractions of the other (home town) guy. It aint fair. The ref has to be consistent.
by I'm going slightly mad on Dec 11, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I totally disagree. Peterson was coming forward, but he wasn’t fouling at all. There was not a double standard here. Only one man was holding, only one man was pushing with the elbow to the face 5 to 10 times per round – and he’s the guy who got the deductions.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Well then we're at an impasse. I think Peterson was leading with his head. I think Khan was pushing and holding at every oppurtunity. I'm British btw so i could be biased in Khan's favour.
by I'm going slightly mad on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think Peterson was leading with he head
There was no problem with head-butts, no intent, no accidental butts. The holding occurred once Peterson got inside, and the elbows to the face happened when Peterson was on his way in, before his head was ever in Khan’s realm. Peterson’s head just wasn’t a factor.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Holding and pushing off are never worth 2 point deductions.
It’s totally ridiculous.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
It was consistent. You have to adjust to referees sometimes, too. It is against the rules. So it wouldn’t be called in Vegas. So what? Khan got helped in Vegas a year ago against Maidana when Joe Cortez played by the house rules.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah like I said in the other thread, with this ref even minus the point deductions, Maidana might’ve pulled out a KO
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying this was a robbery. There were enough close rounds that the scores would have been fair anyway.
But the ref was (correctly) all over Khan’s infractions, while ignoring Petersons.
You’re right though that Khan has benefitted from dodgy reffing in the past ie the Maidana fight. That doesn’t make it right this time. Two wrongs and all that.
by I'm going slightly mad on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
OH CRY ME A FRIGGIN' RIVER, WILL YOU???
“Two wrongs don’t make a right”?
How about a BUNCH OF “WRONGS” committed by ONE Man(Khan) while the other was simply trying to get inside the same ROUTINE WAY that Boxers in general ALWAYS DO?
My god…some of you Khan apologists need some more cheese with your WHINE, apparently…
I think Peterson deserved the win, maybe I just don’t like Khan much. He runs his mouth so much, talking about fighting Floyd and all that. (Whom he’d get annihilated by, I’m convinced Floyd KOs him.)
With that said, if it weren’t for the dreadful referee, who should’ve called the first knockdown never deducted those points Khan would’ve won a UD.
Good job for Peterson though, he pretty much exposed all that’s wrong with Khan. He’s there to be hit, he’s willing to stand there and take four-five shots in a row (and showboats after getting hit by every one of them. Boy aren’t you tough?) and when placed in front of a man who’s willing to come forward all night (and who can actually bang some) he flip flops between boxing smart and flat out fleeing. I’m still dazzled by Khan’s handspeed though, that’s a pleasure to watch.
It wasn't. The Ref accidentally TRIPPED Peterson but ****shhh!**** let's not...
…let facts get in the way of lightmartyr’s post.
Oh, and while I’m still here. Khan needs to quit the bitching, refrain from insulting whole cities and go the back to the gym so he can work his issues out. He will not beat Mayweather as he is, nor Pacquiao – Both men, I think, KO him brutally.
by lightmartyr on Dec 11, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Just for the record
all the Sky panelists were perfectly fine with the result. Seen as they take a lot of flack for British bias
They are powerfully biased, as are the commentators
Very impressed with how they came out after the fight
They even thought Peterson might possibly have taken it without the deductions
if i did not score an even 9th or 10th cant remember which one i saw it as a draw with the winner being no surprise and to be fair im glad lamont won only because khan has a very big mouth and i’d like to see lamont fight the maidana or alexander winner. again i saw 113-113 with iffy/close round but lamont deserved the win so great fights all around and khans knockdown was a push/ unbalance on lamonts part but great hbo debut for seth mitchell. no rematch lamont needs to focus on someone new
damn good fight!! don’t think Khan was prepared for a dog fight. Khan was pushing everytime they got close cuz he had no other way to counter that type of aggression. scored the fight for Peterson when he started to land shots in 3rd round Khan started running pushing and holding which he always does to avoid being hit. he’s not ready for Mayweather. good fighter who needs to learn how to use some defense
gained some respect for khan's chin
but overall i think his stock took a dive tonight
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 AM EST reply actions
He does that machismo bullshit every fight since Prescott starched him….it ultimately cost him the fight this time..
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah hes out to prove that he can take a punch
and it costs him rounds
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 11, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
My card.
1. Khan 10-8 ….bullshit knockdown…really 10—9
2. Peterson 10-9
3. Peterson 10-9
4. Peterson 10-9
5. Khan 10-9
6. Khan 10-9
7. Peterson 10-8 …..also bullshit…point deduction without a real WARNING.
8. Peterson 10-9
9. Khan 10-9
10. Khan 10-9
11. Khan 10-9
12. 9-9 …..point deduction for Khan…a round he won…..slight bullshit.
Score with referee…..Khan 113- Peterson 112.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I like this scoring
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
We had the exact same scorecard.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 6:45 AM EST up reply actions
Great fight. Good for Lamont. Got some hearty home cooking, but for a guy that had it so rough growing up, good for him.
Also, Khan is busy, but a lot of it doesn’t land clean; peterson might have bested him in meaningful shots. Peterson killed the body which slowed Khan.
If those points weren’t deducted, I’d still want a rematch, partly because the knockdown seemed iffy.
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Ricky was one guy that really should have had mjor point deductions for his grabbing
The ones on Khan were bullshit. He was not holding or pushing off excessively to the point of spoiling the fight.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t like deductions for pushing but Khan did have his elbow up on the first one so I’m not terribly pissed about that one. Second one I thought was Bull
by Full Throttle on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
He was CONSTANTLY holding the guy's head down and had him in a headlock about 75% of the entire fight.
Uh…Hell YEAH it was spoiling the fight and hell yeah those deductions weren’t bullshit.
Good fight. Great performance from Peterson. Terrible refereeing.
I don’t want to take anything away from Peterson, who even if this fight had been called a draw on the scorecards, still would have deserved to be treated as the victor for so beating expectations and dimming Khan’s stardom, but I’m really sick of this amateurish crap that’s been so prevalent in boxing this year.
Absurd deductions, but worst of all how in the hell does a referee get in such terrible position to tangle feet with one of the fighters?
Amazing how when they happened everyone was going crazy about the point deductions here, but now there seem to be people okay with them?
I agree they’re illegal, but you still gotta agree it’s weird to see two point deductions in that manner…
Mayweather would have like ten losses if they called his elbows ect..
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I is "weird" to say the least.
When was the last time anyone got a point deduction for pushing off, let alone 2?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
When was the last time referees truly enforced the rules? Holding is also against the rules.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you deducted points every time someone held,
fights would be a mess of point dedustions and trying to figure out who was to blame for a particular tie up. It wouldn’t be boxing.
Just because it’s a foul doesn’t mean that there has to be deductions.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
This was truly an exceptional circumstance.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
There was nothing exceptional about Khan's pushoffs and headlocks
That stuff happens every time a boxer clashes with a guy coming forward with his head low.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Except when the guy flat out runs away from the guy, so there is that exception.
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 12:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Khan was warned. He shoved repeatedly. He did it AFTER the SECOND deduction. You have to know.
It was a good fight. They should do it again. Put it in Vegas. Book Joe Cortez. Khan will have the same problems with Peterson.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Khan hater period.
But he won the fight. Sure he had problems. But he was dominant down the stretch of the last 3 rounds.
It was another robbery.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a Khan hater, at all. I’m a Khan lover if anything. Scored the fight for him by a point. But I’m not upset here at all.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
This is how I feel.
Except that I do not like Amir Khan.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
It was another robbery.
Lara v. Williams was a robbery. Devon Alexander v. Mathysse was a robbery. Not even the same planet.
This was just a great fight where one guy got penalized for doing the same illegal thing all night long, blatantly.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
IMO the only robbery was the 114 – 111 card to Khan.
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 11, 2011 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
When Christodolou warned Murray on shovin Sturm, Murray stopped shoving. Had he not, I think Christodolou would have taken a point.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yeah I was going to mention that fight, I remember asking in the thread if anyone thought that was as bad as I thought it had been…
I bet the ref wouldn’t have taken a point though..
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
All refs got their thing they don’t like. smart fighters don’t try to reeducate the ref during the fight, they stop doing whatever’s bothering the ref.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
by BoxAnne on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
good point…
but still weird…
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that it was weird considering that Cooper was pretty much hands off and wasn’t interested in Peterson’s use of the head. Good point
What use of the head? HE WASN'T LOOKING TO HEADBUTT KHAN!!
HE WAS LOOKING TO GET INSIDE HIS GUARD AND FIGHT AT CLOSE-RANGE!!
Good lord, people……It’s Normal, routine BOXING.
Mayweather doesn’t put it up and aggressively push with it. He puts it up, though, certainly. Khan was putting it up and pressing, hard.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
He was forearm chokeing Hatton at certain points during their fight.
lol at your assertion.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know who has better elbows.. Jon Jones or Floyd Mayweather.
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
definitely.. the ref might have been very nervous since its maybe his first international exposure.
definitely.. the ref might have been very nervous since its maybe his first international exposure.
"Effort without Efficiency is nonsense.." -rk mag
He was not nervous. He simply dared to call the fight FAIRLY which some other refs wouldn't have.
He dared to penalize the “Champ” whereas most other refs would’ve given the Champ every break imaginable….
I say KUDOS to Mr.Cooper for DOING HIS JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PERIOD.
Joe Cooper Was Awesome
His footwork was slow a first, but after got in the groove he was completely out of position for most of the fight.
That being said. Peterson looked great. Khan looked liked Khan. He won the fight, and not to take credit from Lamont Peterson who looked like a 2008 version of Antonio Margarito with his persistent stalking style.
Peterson went with the left hook early and couldn’t knock out Khan, and Amir couldn’t drop Peterson with his right hand.
This was a clear signal that Khan may have to re-think what his path will be like moving up to 147.
I had Khan winning by a point. The ref had two point deductions, at least one was uncalled for, but he also gave Khan a knockdown when he shouldn’t have ion the first (1st one was clearer IMO). I’m not too broken up about this, sure it had a shitty ref but Khan also made mistakes and Peterson kept coming.
Congratulations to the new champ.
As did I, see above.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
That's another thing the people who are whining in Khan's favor fail to realize :
Khan was awarded a Knockdown on Peterson which SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ONE which could’ve also tilted the scorecards in his favor had it not been for him RIGHTFULLY getting 2 points deducted(albeit for the wrong reasons)….
Sounds like a child. His speech pattern is so fast and his tone so high. It’s really child-like.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
A lot of people from certain backgrounds sound like that here
Just with variation in accents
Look at Prince Naseem Hamed, his wasn’t dissimilar, just not so whiny
It’s like a cultural thing
Enough with this!
HOW DID THE REZSURRECTION OF JONES JR. GO!?
Jones cruised to easy decision. barely tried.
Will have more tomorrow whenever I’m not hungover.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you don't post anything tomorrow
I’ll just think Y’ALL MUST HAVE FORGOT forgot forgot
by IRodC on Dec 11, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fights I want to see at jr. welterweight
Khan vs Peterson II, Bradley-Marquez, Rios-Alvarado.
As a huge Tim Bradley fan this fight makes me feel a lot more confident about him beating Khan. He’s better swarmer than Peterson is and his head movement makes him a lot more elusive than Peterson.
and the other knockdown in the first that didnt get called. not an out an out robbery by any stretch thats 3 dubious decisions that all went to the hometown fighter. me thinks peterson got away with one tonight
by whypunchrabbits? on Dec 11, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions
I don’t know if either of those knockdowns were truly legit. Peterson tripped over the ref’s legs on the slip.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree, looked like Khan tripped him up and pushed him a little too.
by theninthlayer on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
i agree.. on the "Real" knockdown it looked like peterson landed a hard punch and slipped in the process
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yep – that left hook he popped Khan with there was his best punch of the 1st round.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
God, though, for real:
Amir Khan is a damn good fighter. He fights like a man. His fights have action. He takes tough fights.
So he lost one. Big deal. Get it back. This is a good fighter and he’s welcome on my TV any time.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How does this shake up the 140-rankings?
Or does it?
Very much. Bradley clear #1 now, period.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Bradley, Peterson, Khan is the new 1-2-3 on Monday. Spoilers!
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I like Peterson when he was the underdog that no one took seriously, but damn number 2 just doesn’t sound right to me…
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why not? He beat Khan. He lost to Bradley. He drew with Victor Ortiz. He beat Cayo.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I know he should be, as far as what he did, I just think skill wise there are lots that could beat him..
If he doesn’t fight Khan again I’d like to see him against Matthysse, but I think LM will look for a fight with Morales first…
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah all those light welters fight each other. He is a good fighter and the one thing you can say about him is that he doesn’t ever take the easy fights, except for when it’s time to give his home fans a fight…
I like him too
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
this, 100%. fighters need to spend less time worrying about losing and more time worrying about legacy and greatness. just goddamn fight.
by The Twillness on Dec 11, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Also lets be clear that at least among the people on this site, we saw A WHACKY FUCKING REF, from second number one.
The best ref is one that I forget was there….
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Yup, Just like umpires in baseball.
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 12:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This
That was a disgrace. If it were possible to DQ a ref, he should have been DQ’d for getting his feet tangled with a fighter. That should NEVER happen.
Every time I see you comment I want to work in a Pujos joke…. but I got nothing… :(
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Eh. I'm surprisingly at peace with it
It would have been nice if he stayed, but I can understand him leaving. I wish him well. Of course winning two championships in the past six years and knowing we still have a pretty good team even without Albert helps.
I might be more upset about Pujols leaving STL than you are. For the first time ever in my life, I was like, WHAT ABOUT YOUR LEGACY YOU FUCK?
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
My boss is from St. Louis and he was like, “260 million dollars? You could have had a statue!”
Now St. Louis fans have to look for reason Musial is better, rather than argue who was better…
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
He DOES have a statue.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Like in front of the stadium?
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently by the horrible Pujols 5 Grill. That place has lousy Yelp reviews.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well that doesn’t count then. I have a spiderman statue that doesn’t make him the best super hero.
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
The "what could have been" is definitely the hardest part about this
But I have one of those brains that can easily compartmentalize. So I have no problem still happily appreciating what Pujols did from 2001-2011, even though I was desperately wishing he would stay for life.
I do, too — like I said, first time I ever I thought this way. It was weird to me, because I’m not even invested in it. But he’s the best player of my lifetime and it just bugged me that he walked so easily. “Fuck it. Angels.”
Ah well.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think he will really regret it in about five years or so when he becomes a shadow of his former self as a player
Here in St. Louis, we probably wouldn’t have minded, but I can’t help feeling that people won’t be as forgiving in Anaheim when the decline phase of Pujols’ career really starts to set in.
Yeah.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
As a Reds fan
I was hoping he would stay. He would’ve beaten up the Reds some more….for about 3 years, but his inevitable contract would’ve crippled the franchise. That was what I was looking forward to.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
As a Cubs fan, same. I just wanted to watch him hit some moon shots at Wrigley for a few more years and then fade away.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I legitimately wonder
if my informed opinion of these sports I love robs me of valuable time to devote to actual, noble pursuits.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Wait,
Are you implying that discussing boxing and baseball on the Internet after midnight on a Saturday night isn’t a noble pursuit?
right?
How dare he.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
I don't make the big bucks
from Google ads….teehee.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
fuck that!
These are noble pursuits, my friend.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm doing the boxing bit for free.
I’m working with amateur’s….quit my job to do it. I must be stupid.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a noble pursuit.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
It depends on the day.
But, mostly, yeah. The kids, especially the young ones, make it worth every second.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Also, in the spirit of NL Central fandom
I really, really want to believe Ryan Braun when he says he’s innocent and will be exonerated by the appeals process.
I don’t. But then I’m a cynic.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
He isn't.
But then again, none of them are.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just pray we don’t learn he used PEDs… At least give us the overall best player of the last decade…
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he was overmatched. But Khan got a taste of what it was on the first deduction. He didn’t change. “Oh there’s nothing I could do.” There was. Stop shoving him.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Shoving was in the game plan :)
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Murray stopped shoving Sturm when Christodolou got good and huffy, because he knew Christodolou meant it. I’m sure that ref would have deducted a point if Murray hadn’t cooled it.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I guess it’s a hypothetical situation because he did stop and the ref didn’t have to make the decision… but can you think of another fight where a point was deducted in that manner…
I’m not saying that it was against the rules, I’m just saying you don’t see it.. really ever..
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by Chris Sarda on Dec 11, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
would like to see a replay but on first viewing it looked like a shot landed both times
by whypunchrabbits? on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions
I had Khan
114 – 112 to Khan. He ‘survived’ longer and won those later rounds on my card. I dont have an issue with the point deductions. Maybe 2 was 1 too many, but stuff like this happens in boxing all the time. Excellent fight, wouldnt mind a rematch, however, I would like Khan to take on the winner of Maidana-Alexander. Very impressed with LP tonight. He just couldnt finish it out thru the championship rounds to me.
http://www.examiner.com/x-33584-Cleveland-Boxing-Examiner
by Cleveland Boxing Examiner on Dec 11, 2011 12:39 AM EST reply actions
But, LP did lose a close fight.
We agree. Correct?
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
On other news, David Lemieux went quickly from top prospect to bust. Second loss in a row.
"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto
Lemieux has a lot of issues outside the ring. I’ll leave it at that.
You can count him out though.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
wow. against a no name, I assume?
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 12:45 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Joachim Alcine, who is very, very washed-up.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Man. The dude has some pop. Was looking forward to seeing him develop and maybe make some noise, québécois style. Maybe not.
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 12:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
wow. too bad, he was fun while he lasted. Decision or KO?
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
MD-12
I’ve seen no one argue for Lemieux.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
he was never committed. You could tell by his spare tire at that young age. It was really easy for him for a long time, walk in , KO the guy, get applause. The minute it was a real fight with a real, smart, experienced fighter he was lost.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He’s a front-runner. He’s not a fighter. I’m writing him off.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
The weird thing was that he looked really in-shape for this fight, which was really surprising post-Anber break-up. Alcine still really outclassed him after the first couple of rounds, openly mocking him repeatedly during the fight.
I’m not so sure he can box. He always won too fast to find out. He was just strong. And his opposition was nothing wonderful. I started to get a little nervous when I watched a tape of him vs. Naugler, who has many deficiencies but an iron chin. Lemeiux did legitimately win the 12 rounds, but Naugler’s fairly awful, and Lemiuex didn’t really look that great.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Does anyone else on this sight ever get tired
of these “close” decisions that always go to the guy you know it’s going to go to?
Is boxing really even a sport anymore or is it morphing into pro wrestling?
Holy shit, are you serious? You think Lamont Peterson was the house fighter just because it was in DC? The promoters determine the house. Jamie Kavanagh, an Irishman based in California, got a house draw in DC tonight.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I think locale makes all the difference in the world apparently.
Last week we had Chisora-Helenius. The week before…
Well, there one of these every week.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Sauerland were the promoters in Finland. It had more to do with the promoters than the location.
It always, always does.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
If the promoters can influence the outcome despite the location.
That pretty much tells you that all boxing locales are corrupt without exception. So it’s a rather self defeating argument.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not trying to argue with you that boxing isn’t corrupt.
If anything, wheels weren’t greased enough tonight.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
But the whole thing is
If promoters can buy the result in a country that isn’t even their home base (Sauderland in Finland), and if big time promoters can sway things their way through corrupt judging and officiating basically anywhere, then what makes any boxing result anywhere reliable?
If judges are going to rig the scorecards for a particular fighter for some cash or for the opportunity to keep the judging career rolling, what’s going to stop them from rigging the fight because they like the hometown fighter?
Basically, if boxing is a corrupt as you and I think it is, what makes boxing still a sport?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the two of you agree as to the level of corruption in the sport. If you both did, he would be agreeing that this was pure homerism and not saying that “if anything, the wheels weren’t greased enough tonight”.
If money was going to be invested in trying to produce a winner tonight, it would have been all on Khan. Not Peterson.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
He thinks that Suaderland bought a result that wasn’t even in their home country. I think that it was a bit of favoratism for the hometown boy Helenius. Either way, could boxing commisions and judges be any more corrupt and uncaring about impartiality.
It’s happening every week now, and the evidence begs the questiion, is boxing still a legit sport?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
It happens in every combat sport every week. It happens in every sport that uses judges rather than empirical data like points or position to determine victory. Most fans accept this and find that the entertainment derived from watching fight sport is better than the negatives, of which questionable judging/reffing isn’t even what I’d consider the biggest.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
If judging in any sport is this bad then
it would just show that judging is not a reliable way to pick winners and losers and all of those sports are suspect.
But I don’t buy it. UFC does not hand out decisions like this on a regular basis.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Sure it does. They just go “OH ITS BOXING JUDGES AGAIN”.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
There is plenty of bad judging in UFC.
UFC also says “hey you guys OMG boxing only has its best fights on PPV,” and MMA fans go, “Yeah they totally do! Fuck boxing!” and then if you think for a tenth of a second, you realize that all of UFC’s best fights are on their 15 PPVs per year. BUT OH WELL. Boxing evil! Dana genius!
Then Oscar brown-noses him.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Look I'm not on some pro or anti MMA agenda
I haven’t watched hardly any in years.
But admit it. UFC does not have these suspect decisions coming in month after month in high profile championship fights.
Boxing has one every week.
I’m just disappointed yet again and asking the unaskable, pondering if boxing is really viable any more with all of the corruption.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Boxing doesn’t have “one every week” any more than the UFC does. It also helps that the UFC hasn’t historically run cards every week, probably never will run cards every week, and that no one gives a hot damn about MMA that isn’t the UFC to compare it to boxing.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s put this another way: The decisions on Chisora/Helenius had as much to do with the fight tonight that HBO televised as does a DREAM or OneFC or Bellator or BAMMA show does with any given UFC. You want a list of some crappy decisions from the UFC and crappy decisions from other MMA promoters too? Or does that not count for some reason?
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Look I’m not on some pro or anti MMA agenda
I haven’t watched hardly any in years.
Then how do you know there aren’t bad decisions in UFC frequently?
UFC covers its own ass better than boxing in the media, I can give them that much.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
The UFC is better equipped to deal with the media because it will ban anyone who isn’t a team player. Let’s be realistic here. HBO will not ban legitimate press for questioning the events in one of their rings. Hell, could you imagine anyone doing the equivalent of what Max Kellerman did re: Al Haymon a couple months back on the UFC’s broadcast team and them not being fired or their mic cut?
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
The UFC is a lot closer to pro wrestling promotion than boxing.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
So then give me examples of blantantly bad judging
in the UFC. I’m sure it’s occured. But your post is short on examples and I reall y can’t think of any from the period when I watched.
I could probably give you 30+ major boxing fights (many of them title fights) that were robberies just in the last year.
I watch quite a bit of boxing.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t watch a ton of UFC, either, but I do read MMA sites and there are many people complaining about bad judging in UFC. There it’s a matter of incompetence more than corruption, I guess.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Machida/Shogun I. Elkins/Omigawa. Many argued Penn/Fitch was terrible. I’d tell you Ellenberger/Condit was crapola. Siver/Wiman. Sanchez/Kampmann was outright robbery. There were controversial cards in a number of fights, like Cruz/Faber II.
Now, that’s just off the top of my head in the UFC alone. We’re not going into other promotions. At that point, we basically can do a weekly show of crap decision.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
All of these
Jung-Garcia I was the worst this year.
Gave the fight to the guy who won every round
And every card will have at least one score that defies all logic
Tonight Walel Watson controlled a fight and they gave it to the Candadian fighter (hatian but he lives in Canada) That was not a championship fight but there’s one that happened tonight.
MMA has it’s own problems, like the fact that it’s scored too much like boxing. How should you score submission threats? When should a take down count for scoring? What is a 10-8 round ect.
MMA has it’s own problems.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
Two weeks ago former world’s strongest man Pudzianowski won a fight in which he obviously lost the first round (the Polish mma promotion does a two round fight and a third round only if there’s not a clear winner)
It caused his opponent to steal the microphone from and commentator and yell about how much bullshit it all was. There’s a non UFC one, two weeks ago.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
Yes they do
They’re commission judges, just like in boxing
You just don’t get them in championship fights that much because there are only 7 weight classes (Up from 5 last year) so there are less title fights
But bad decisions happen all the time.
Basically, if boxing is a corrupt as you and I think it is, what makes boxing still a sport?
That’s up to the fan to decide. I enjoy the sport, bullshit warts and all.
But I do not think the judges were corrupt, nor the referee. If you want to complain, then the referee tonight was out of his depth. And I’d agree.
Again, I scored the fight for Khan. But could I see it 113-112 Peterson (my opposite)? Sure.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Why would anyone even give the judges the benefit of the doubt
when it seems to be common knowledge that fights are rigged pretty much everywhere?
If the fight was close, that’s just all the more cover the judges have to score it how they want. How come these “close” fights always have such predicable decisions?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
here’s our canyon of difference:
You: Think Peterson winning is predictable.
Me: No.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
This. I was thinking Peterson would need the point deductions to even have the hope of a draw. Forget winning. I never considered a decision win an option here with the promoter involved. I was wrong!
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Wow so Khan was actually bashing the city and whining about the loss all in the same breath after the fight? Robert Guerrero was right that dude is a little fraud.
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Really? You never had a feeling?
I’ll be here for more close fights. And I’ll tell you who won these “close” ones 95% of the time, before the cards are announced. Probability would suggest that you couldn’t be right guessing these razor thin decisions much more than 50% of the time.
What person is the home fighter shouldn’t be a strongly predictive factor. If it is, it’s corruption.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
What person is the home fighter shouldn’t be a strongly predictive factor. If it is, it’s corruption.
It wasn’t. I’m glad you’re Criswell and all, but Lamont Peterson was a huge underdog in this fight. Also, HE FOUGHT REALLY WELL AND MADE IT A CLOSE FIGHT.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Khan’s problem is his sense of entitlement. He’s been seduced by the hype and feels he’s owed everything in the world and that anything opposite of that is a sort of wrongdoing against him. He’s your typical spoiled entitled brat.
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're missing the forest for the trees
Sure if you take every close fight in isolation you can justify it. But when you take the whole body of boxing work and there’s an overwhelming pattern in favor of hometown fighters or guys with big promoters in their corner, then it becomes a correlation.
You’ve already made this argument yourself. You called Helenius Chisora a bought fight because Sauderland was involved. I think this site has called plenty of other decisions suspect or outright robberies.
So the question is, who would believe the judging cleaned itself up for the Peterson fight? What makes any boxing decision worthy of confidence?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re asking a purely philosophical question. The answer is that no one has to believe that the judging had cleaned itself up. By the same logic, no one has to believe that the government isn’t hiding alien spaceships when they deny it.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
You say "by the same logic"
but what you say doesn’t seem to follow a particular logic or seem to be even sensible.
You’re trying at an analogy but it’s purpose fails me.
And also, my question wasn’t philosophical it was practical. Who comes back for more from a corrupt liar except someone who wants to be fooled?
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I answered this. Someone who feels that the potential for corruption is trumped by the excitement of the competition.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 11, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
There are three high-level fights this year I thought were flat-out robberies:
1. Helenius vs Chisora
2. Williams vs Lara (three judges suspended)
3. Alexander vs Matthysse
I’m not telling you to keep watching boxing. I’m not a promoter. But I do not feel this fight was a robbery and I disagree with the idea that it was.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not asking you to lure me back in.
Nor am I saying that I’m going to quit watch. I’m airing my feelings and trying to reason out why I’m still watching a sport that I can no longer be sure is a sport.
I just hope things get better.
by Bad Mamajama on Dec 11, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fair, and I understand your dilemma. I’ve been there — I’m just not there tonight.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
Although I think the result was purely down to referee bias, you're wrong
if you think that tonight’s promoters would lose from a Peterson win, they never lose, now Khan is stuck at 140lb.
Khan seemed a little out of sorts and I didn’t feel either landed anything particularly telling, I didn’t think Peterson did enough to take the championship, but having said that I thinkk it’s great for him. Khan was (perhaps understandably) classless afterwards, and is Freddie Roach on the slide ;)
Khan being out of the running for a Mayweather fight next year in no way good for Golden Boy.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Timothy Bradley was the real winner tonight.
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yep.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Then my potential viewing pleasure is the loser.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I hope timmy goes up against at least one good 140lber before he disappears too though…
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
he beat a fella name of Lamont Peterson, beat Kendall Holt, won an underdog fight on the road against Junior Witter. If he goes up, good for him.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
Now he can try for welterweight money while Amir avenges his loss
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It's never "understandable" to be classless...EVER! YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT 24/7.
Amir simply showed that he can throw a mean tantrum in the presser.
This
Kavanaugh looked good boxing here and there, but the Puerto Rican guy he was facing (who was, if I recall correctly, 6(5)-3-4 going in) beat him bloody from pillar to post for most of the fight.
by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
You think HBO or the “boxing world” wanted Lamont Peterson to win this fight? Even though the fight’s in DC, Khan’s got waaaay more heft behind him than LP.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
HBO's still making excuses
as if the 1st point deduction wasn’t a “hard warning” not to do it again. I know they have a lot invested in Kahn, but quit making excuses and blaming “home cooking.”
as if the 1st point deduction wasn’t a "hard warning" not to do it again
That’s a great point. You want your “hard warning” – how about the first deduction.
I’m tired of HBO’s homerism. If there was an alternate “radio play by play” – I’d be all over it.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
yup – part of the reason i’m not all bent out of shape about this is because amir had control over the questionable part here – don’t push again! it’s not like anyone is questioning what the judges did. the judge was an issue, and amir let him continue to be an issue, and ultimately, a deciding factor.
Off topic a bit, but I really enjoyed the heavyweight bout on the undercard. Mitchell’s got a long way to go, but I like him so far.
Agreed
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Really impressive for a football player turned boxer. He looks very smooth in there for a newbie.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
He’s confident. Acts like a fighter, not a pretender. Has power in both hands.
Timur is just OK, but he knows what he’s doing. He’s the type that can feast on a truly raw novice. Mitchell is more than that. He’s learning.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
The thing that I see that I don’t like about Mitchell is his straight right hand. It’s ok – but it almost looks like he’s a southpaw turned righty, to me. But, I’m nit-picking – for who he is and where he’s coming from, it was really impressive.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
It better be a rematch.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
But, I did love Oscar's face 'round point deduction time in the 12th.
It was like someone told him to take off the panty hose.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
My Dad during the fight: “every time I see Oscar now I just can’t look at him without thinking of that picture of him in panty hoes.”
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Just to be clear....
If Oscar digs the dress-up game, good for him. Sometimes it’s tough to keep the interest regular, so, if that’s what does it for you, so be it. I was just taking a cheap shot for a joke.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I got no problem with it – if that’s his thing, that’s his thing. It just doesn’t compute with my version of him growing up.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
The version you had of him before was the phony put-on he sold. The more he talks, the further he’s removed the ring, the faker he becomes.
And I don’t care what he wears, ever. Not my business.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Great Outcome
I’m so happy that Kahn got humbled tonight. Kahn was a poor sport afterwards.
You're not humbled if you think you were robbed
It’ll make him more of an ass because he feels outraged and cheated
He was NOT robbed at all. He LOST BECAUSE HE WAS A DICK to the Referee and got BURNED for it.
And If I were Peterson, I would’ve changed my mind on fighting Khan in the UK after that “balls” comment Amir stated.
I mean….Lamont JUST stated that he would fight him in the UK and yet here was Khan questioning whether Lamont had the “balls” to face him there even though he just stated he would.
I would tell Khan to stick his “rematch” up his ass now for acting like such a baby post-match and go defend the belt against someone else first and let him stew for a bit.
I was at the fight
I was there and FWIW, I scored it 113-112 for Peterson from the cheap seats with the 12th round deduction proving the difference. I don’t think Amir got robbed AT ALL, but it’s really a shame they didn’t have a better ref who could control the fight. There was a lot of pushing/elbowing going on with both.
Anyway, Peterson fought a great fight. He brought constant pressure and didn’t allow Amir to outwork him. I didn’t really have a dog in the fight, but hearing the DC crowd’s reaction to “and NEW…” was pretty amazing.
Peterson isn’t a great fighter, but that was a great fight.
by AndrewDM on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Win-Win in my book. Peterson won the belts and realized his dream, Khan got his dose of humble pie and will hopefully focus more on pacing his career and less on rushing it in order to fulfill what almost seemed like an obsession of his to be viewed as a super star. The Khan will live to fight another and die and in my opinion this fight will make him more dangerous that if he had won.
Khan should have been penalized for holding and Peterson was never knocked down in the fight; he was tripped twice in the first round, once by the ref and once by Khan. Jim Lampley was at his most biased tonight . So Jim, what exactly would have happened to Khan if he hadn’t been doing headlocks on Peterson all night long? Just because Wlad Klitschko gets away with that shit doesn’t mean it should be allowed…
The worst thing about Lampley...
Was this:
“AND IN THE FIRST ROUND, PETERSON TASTED CANVASS BUT IT WAS RULED A SLIP, NOT A KNOCKDOWN, though their feet did get tangled and it was probably the right call, SETTING THE TONE FOR HOME COOKING THE REST OF THE NIGHT.”
Jim Lampley can buzz off.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
One thing I do like about the extended 24/7
is the view of the announcer’s posture….while speaking at the end of rounds. Lampley, tonight, when talking about Cotto’s approach to Margarito early was shown leaning over to Max and spewing some kind of raised-neck vein kind of thing. Nearly condescending. The vision of him not giving a shit was ruined for me. Other visions….some good, some bad, took its place.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 11, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Paraphrasing
There were several points where he expressed outrage at the slip ruling while quietly slipping in an admission midrant that the call actually was right.
Larry Merchant was a bit of a prick to Peterson after the fight too, IMO.
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 11, 2011 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Man, what an awesome night of fights. Watched pretty much everything on delay tonight that was on TV in America, but it was worth it. For the HBO card:
-Its easy to typecast Seth Mitchell as the new XXXXXXX kinda guy in the heavyweight division. Is he the new Derrick Jefferson? The new Courage Tshabalala? The new Calvin Brock? He’s none of those things in particular, but he isn’t chopped liver. I’m not convinced at all that he’s half as good as a prime Rahman was, but he’s got pop, he can box a lot better than some might give him credit for, and he’s composed.
-The main event: First off, what an awesome fight. Second: Who would have though a couple years ago that the action star of this decade in boxing would be AMIR KHAN? All credit to Peterson for the tough fight and coming through with the W (and legitimizing himself in a huge way) but Khan has turned into one of the absolute most exciting guys out there. Period. And you can see all of the top 140 lb fighters looking north to 147. Two years ago, welterweight was a wasteland. Next year, going to be a force of nature division with huge fights happening everywhere. And you know what else? He should be damn glad Tim Bradley didn’t choose to take that fight with him earlier this year, IMO.
By the time the fight was over, I didn’t even need to hear a decision to know that I wanted rematches and fights between these guys and the rest of the junior welter/welterweight division stalwarts. If HBO can manage to not screw this up next year, we may be looking at several more years of very awesome, awesome fights as the current generation of elite fighters like Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather end up running into the next generation of competitors.
I think this settles it though, Khan has too many issues right now to hang with the likes of Pacquiao and Mayweather. Hell, anyone with pressure and decent pop and Khan alternates between smart boxing and survival mode, he struggles to create distance at times as well.
I’d love to see him fight Rios at 140.
The blueprint for competing with and/or beating Khan is becoming clearer and clearer and his and his team’s solutions seem fewer and fewer.
First Maidana and now Peterson.
Survive the early speed and power and then move in to attack the body. Rios, Bradley and certainly any of the bigger men capable of surviving AK’s blazing speed and pop are all candidates for beating Amir, despite his tools and his heart; which I think he has shown wisely or unwisely in mixing it up in on tough match after another.
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---- Muhammed Ali
Thoughts from DC
- The setup was crap. I had decent seats, but because they were all floor seats, you couldn’t see a damn thing in the ring between people in front of you and the cameras around the ring. Fortunately, the big screens were well placed and clear.
- Fernando Guerrero knocked down the guy he was facing twice in the fourth and twice in the fifth, but didn’t look good. He spent the first few rounds hitting nothing but gloves, let a terrible fighter hit him, and should’ve put the guy away much earlier.
- Everyone who’s calling the Kavanaugh fight a gift draw is right. The Irish guy got the crap kicked outta him.
- Anthony Peterson looked good, insofar as he wasn’t throwing combinations to the groin this time around. But Attah is cooked, so it’s tough to judge. Peterson does look huge at 135, though.
- Thomas Williams Jr., son of 90’s heavyweight Thomas “Top Dawg” Willams (who was sent to jail for throwing a fight), beat the living crap out of his opponent, stopping him early in the second round of a four-rounder.
- I dunno if Seth Mitchell is ever going to be a truly elite fighter, but he’s certainly not a pretender or an empty record anymore.
- I scored the main event 113-112 for Khan, but I have no problem with the decision. I also had no problem with the deductions; Khan was holding and shoving all night to try and neutralize Peterson on the inside. Given how much trouble Khan was having keeping Peterson off of him, those were significant fouls that, after numerous warnings, merited deductions. That knockdown in the first round was a slip, too.
- Khan is still as vulnerable to the uppercut right up the middle as he was against Maidana. And if this ref had been the ref for that fight, Maidana might’ve won.
- Crowd was HOT. Mostly African-American, with a lot of Pakistani-Americans as well.
by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 11, 2011 1:32 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for the recap from the field.
How hot was the crowd after Khan’s interview with Merchant?
More amused than angry. Khan came off really badly, like a whiny, petulant kid who couldn’t believe someone called him on something.
by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Crowd came off real well on TV, but sadly heard many of the same complaints about bad setup.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Any trouble getting tickets/seats?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Tickets sold well, but it was all floor seating and people were pissed.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nope. Tickets went on sale 10 AM, I bought mine about 10:30. Was in Section 208, row M, which wasn’t far away and would’ve been fine if they weren’t all floor seats. As it was, even without people standing for the entire main event (which they were), I had a couple dozen rows of heads in my way, plus the cameras in the corner blocking a chunk of the ring.
by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about another boxing event in DC ever happening after this fight, but you can be sure Amir Khan won’t be back after this fight
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I hate cameramen live
They are just doing their job but it is unfortunate that they so often block critical action
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Yeah, that’s the bad thing about floor level seating for a televised event- you’re in for a game of cameraman roulette. If they are on your side and in your sight line, you lose.
by Sentimental on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I say Peterson denies Khan a rematch like Khan denied Paul McCloskey a rematch after their fight. Lamont should tell him, “Fight and beat all the guys I fought and beat first”
The two fights are in no way similar other than Amir Khan was in them. What are you even talking about? Your Madden awareness is like a 7.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
You had to watch the post fight presser to know what I meant. Khan was dismissive of McCloskey and disrespectful
by Scott Harrison on Dec 11, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
The two fights are in no way similar other than Amir Khan was in them. What are you even talking about?
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Don't think a comparison of the fights themselves is the point of his post
Just punishing Khan for acting a dick after both fights
Which I endorse
Ooh that Khan! What a dick for not humoring Paul McCloskey, who won zero rounds and was being done a favor getting the fight in the first place.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 11, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh that Khan! What a dick for acting like a dick because he really is a dick.
And that is NOT sarcasm.
Joe cooper doesn’t even know where to position himself in the damn ring. Should’ve been 2 knockdowns in the first along with those 2 he took away.
by ekker3 on Dec 11, 2011 1:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Great fight. Very close, could have gone either way.
I thought overall, a 1 point swing in the deductions was fair. As has been mentioned, the knockdown wasn’t really a knockdown – and overall, I think Khan deserved at least 1 point taken for persistent fouling. He was pushing Peterson’s head down repeatedly, holding, pushing off, etc. Just for an accumulation of infractions, a point was more than fair.
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Last thing I’ll say here is both Argentineans beat Peterson, Khan beats him in a rematch, Brandon Rios beats him and maybe even Dev Alexander…
And I hate Devon Alexander…
Doesn’t mean I don’t root for Peterson in some of these fights, it’s just weird to think that he actually deserves the number 2 spot..
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If Khan fights and doesn’t dent and significantly deter Rios, he gets beat down. Badly
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I agree, but I was talking about Peterson fighting those guys.
I doubt we see Khan Rios anytime soon. Khan will probably be on his out if this rematch materializes don’t you think?
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Khan needs to be matched well
Or he will begin accumulating losses at a rate where they will matter.
He will more than likely fight this rematch in on neutral turf and get his title back. But then what, and who?
if he moves up, he has to face the least threating welters. the bigger they are the less I anticipate his power generated by speed to have an impact …and God knows that he doesn’t look ready to take incoming fire to his misdsection from mnatuarllay bigger men.
Khan fough well tonight and has nothing at all to be ashamed about. He will have hi chance to even the score.
Thequestionfor me is not whether he is elite, it is how elite is he?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It seems no one is thinking of the possibility of Peterson RETAINING his championship....
Remember…Amir now has to come at him and ACTUALLY BOX, none of this running-away crap.
He does that, I think even Peterson KOs him.
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