Floyd Mayweather Sr. Blames Freddie Roach For Amir Khan’s Loss
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 PM EST
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There is no love lost between Freddie Roach and Floyd Mayweather Sr. In an interview with Chris Robinson of Boxing Scene, Senior throws Roach under the bus for this loss.
"I don't want to say too much about those people, but I think that's definitely the problem I think. Because there aint no way in hell that I would have had Amir Khan fighting like that. Amir Khan was all over the place, throwing crazy, wild-ass punches and I've done seen some women fight way better than that. Laila Ali fights better than that, shit. He was all over, he was throwing punches from across the street and he's an awkward guy but he can fight better than that. All I can say is he needs some more work, a lot of work matter of fact."
Senior went on to comment on the controversy surrounding the point deductions of referee Joe Cooper.
"Then you got this guy here, Amir Khan, I don't know why he thinks he won the fight. I'm going to tell you this right here. They were trying to say the guy was doing some hometown stuff, the referee. But the referee, I thought, had warned him. The referee already told him and Amir Khan didn't do that. So that's why the referee ended up taking points from him. It's obvious, because I heard the referee tell him. The referee didn't do nothing wrong. Amir Khan did something wrong. He kept doing what he shouldn't have been doing."
I always take what Senior says about his "enemies" with a grain of salt, but I think he might be on to something with his criticism of Roach. I wouldn't say that Khan was fighting "all crazy" but he certainly did not have a good game plan once Peterson started to amp up the pressure. When Peterson was starting to come on in the fight, Roach's advice in the corner was essentially don't stay in the pocket and throw punches up the middle. I would have liked to see Freddie encouraging Khan to use his feet and not let Peterson get close to him. Tell him to fight from the outside since Khan had gigantic advantages from out there.
Also, in the interview is Senior calling for Peterson to work behind the jab a bit more, but that's not the point. When a guy is jumping in with head and you are the faster fighter, you should be able to move out of the way and tag the guy when he is coming in. From the post-fight interview, it seemed that Khan had no idea what to do with a pressure fighter saying something like ‘what are you supposed to do when a guy is leading with his head in front of his front foot?' Being unprepared for a likely situation is solely the fault of the training staff, beginning with Freddie Roach. I'm not sure that Roach can help Khan effectively box from the back foot, something that a fast fighter should absolutely know how to do. I would like to see Khan move to trainer that can teach him how to box on the back foot. Unfortunately, one of the best in the business at that is Senior and he doesn't want any part of Khan. Do you guys think that Khan should move to a different trainer or can Freddie teach him the slickness he desperately needs?
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Not sure...
Since it looks like a rematch will happen, that will give us a chance to see if Roach can get Khan prepared correctly. If no improvement is made, then he should certainly think long and hard about his relationship with Roach.
It’s a little late for Khan. He fights almost exactly like Pacquiao, except he holds and pushes… He never has learned to fight in the pocket (at least I’ve never seen him to do so in a televised fight) . Freddie seems to love fighters with hand and foot speed and power(what trainer doesn’t), seemingly hoping their physical gifts can overcome anyone in the ring. Pacquiao really has no inside game either; he has such fast hands and feet that he still gets in and out quickly and picks taller fighters apart from the outside….
for me yes,
to give way for my fancy match-up of a Khan-vs-pac fight.. :)
but seriously i think no..
the big thing that separates khan from pacquiao is that pac has been in a lot of wars already.. pac was sloppy when he first met morales and marquez but later on improved on his way on how to handle pressure fighters&counter punchers in his league.
give khan some few wars and let him learn. (that is in assumption that khan would survive those wars.)
"Effort without Efficiency is nonsense.." -rk mag
Roach can teach him, but will he? Hard to say, he is a busy guy. Honestly I think Amir Khan had quite a few options to avoid so much damage.
He could have
1. Leaned back over the ropes
2. Thrown counters
3. Moved to the side and punched
or 4. Shell up and get punched
My analysis is basic obviously, but I think there were a lot of things khan can take away from this one.
Or he could have kept moving his feet
When he did it, he won rounds. It wasn’t pretty, but landing 30 pitty pat punches still wins the round when the other guy lands nothing of consequence.
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I dunno...
Manny also had the benefit of a highly paid matchmaker over at TR and despite edging a decision win over Marquez III, he still looked bad. Plus, if there is a Manny fight with Floyd on May 5th there is conflict of interest with who Freddie will train. So Khan will probably have to find a new trainer anyway if the Manny fight gets made.
It seems Freddie is a trainer of pressure/volume punchers. Guys who expect to punch themselves out of any trouble in the ring. Despite what Senior says about Khan fighting worst than a girl, he made some points about a speed fighter not being an effective defensive fighter.
What conflict of interest would Roach have if Manny fights Floyd on May 5?
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by Scott Christ on Dec 12, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Freddie’s done full camps for guys pretty close together. Pacquiao fought 11/12, Chavez 11/19, Khan 12/10. It’s insane, IMO, but he does it.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Peterson's team will want to take his first fight as a champ as the rematch
Just reality here. I’m sure he’s perfectly willing to do it, but as long as there are beatable foes who draw some cash (Judah, Morales, etc.), he’ll probably want an easy payday before he rematches a guy who will still probably be the favorite the second time they fight.
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Thats exactly what I thought, and fair play to him, not as if Khan would give him a rematch if it was the other way round, he’d be off talking about Mayweather fights again
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i can see it now....
khan switches over to the auspices of floyd sr. and calls out pacquiao
Alternate title for this post
ET phones home
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Who cares what Floyd Sr says.
The last time his fighter fought one of Freddie’s fighters, he was at Taco Bell ordering beakfast when he should have been teaching his charge how to not get decapitated.
BTW, Khan won that fight. I looked at it again and that pushing call and the two deductions were BS. If every fighters (re:Evander Holyfield v Tyson) was stopped from pushing, they would have to re-write the history books.
Senior should know better. he taught his son how to push and he did it well.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That's boxing...
I mean, in baseball some Umps have different strike zones from other Umps. You just have to deal.
I’m with Peterson, i think the ref should have penalized Khan for pushing Peterson’s head down, not so much just pushing. But the ref warned him from jump street, and Khan wasn’t stopping. I mean if a fighter can do whatever he wants in the ring, then what the hell do we have refs for? Its his fault for not adjusting, despite what the refs preferences are.
Well, I’m comforted by knowing that the better man will kick Peterson’s average ass all over the ring the next time on neutral ground.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
you mean Khan?
I do admit, Khan was the better boxer, but he is definitely more flawed than he think he is. Khan’s chin was begging to get tapped, but Lamont is very very gun shy… Yeesh.
The last time his fighter fought one of Freddie’s fighters, he was at Taco Bell ordering beakfast when he should have been teaching his charge how to not get decapitated.
What, is he not supposed to eat? He did teach Hatton. Then Hatton refused to listen to anything he said. Your anti-Mayweather is going overboard.
If every fighters (re:Evander Holyfield v Tyson) was stopped from pushing, they would have to re-write the history books.
I prefer we leave it as Peterson won and there’s no controversy at all, like you said about all of the Pacquiao-Marquez fights when we looked at them in hindsight.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
Floyd Sr. is not IMO a trainer of any consequence today,
He is a hater…who says hateful things with a specific bias.
His greatest accomplishment was his son, who Roger has trained for years. His training of Oscar followed Oscar’s having already won four world titles.
Hatton was his charge. And he was embarrassed. He claims he taughtb him what to do but he didnt do it. So he says. For me, if you get that job, you are the team leader and if your fighter performs, you get some credit. If he fails, you get your share of the blame.
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---- Muhammed Ali
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For once,
a Mayweather talking shit
is also talking the truth
Freddy is a good Coach but it seems like his fighter has a hard time adjusting when the fight isn't going their way
Maybe Freddie need to switch somethings up in the training camps.
Also teaching defense is something that isn’t Freddies strength.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions
He needs to bring in some of the best infighters that he has trained
Toney and Mavin Starling….and re-learn and begin teaching things he already knows.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Well I also think he should change his training methods and not make them as repetitive as they seem to be
If they weren’t repetitive then his fighters would know how to adjust, which many of his fighter don’t seem to be able to do.
That indicates he just does the same thing every training camp
by Mohammedini Hussein on Dec 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s interesting that for someone of Roach’s stature, he hasn’t trained Khan to allow him to reach his full potential. I guess that could still come, but I dunno, you would think it would’ve happened by now. What makes it even stranger is the fact that outsiders like Mayweather Sr. and even some of us can see it. I never understand that…I’m no boxing expert, but I can tell what the fighter is doing wrong, so why can’t he or his corner see what he’s doing wrong or what he should be doing? Khan needs to fight on the outside…his strengths (hand speed, quickness) are neutralized any other way.
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