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Lamont Peterson Jumps Khan, Middleweights Move: Bad Left Hook Boxing Rankings for Dec. 13

Lamont Peterson is now No. 2 in the world at 140 pounds. (Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images)

I should probably just move this to officially a Tuesday weekly update, since it seems to work out better that way coming out of busy weekends. Anyway there are some changes at 140 and 112 due to big results this past weekend, and I did some house-cleaning at 160, too.

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Junior Welterweight

Lamont Peterson, of course, makes the jump from No. 5 up to No. 2 following his Saturday night upset of Amir Khan in Washington, DC. I did score the fight for Khan, personally, but by one point -- it's not exactly tough to see Peterson winning the fight legitimately, I don't think the scoring deserves any great debate whatsoever, and the point deductions which ultimately cost Khan the fight are, in the end, his own fault, particularly the second deduction, without which he would have had a majority draw.

So Peterson jumps up, trailing only Timothy Bradley, whose grip on the No. 1 spot in the division is now 100% firm. There are no more questions for the time being: Tim Bradley is the man at 140.

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Flyweight

Brian Viloria jumps up three spots to No. 3, behind only Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (the lineal champ) and Hernan "Tyson" Marquez, and it's easily arguable that he should be No. 2, but Marquez had a terrific year himself, with three good wins, two over the man widely considered No. 2 in the division at the start of the year.

Giovani Segura slips from No. 4 down to No. 5. Though he clearly lost to Viloria, he didn't lose in shame or anything like that, and I'd still pick him over the guys below him, though there would be a lot of good fights in there. A guy like Segura is always going to be vulnerable, but he remains a quality contender at flyweight.

Middleweight

This isn't really due to anything, but again, if you've followed these rankings, you know that once in a while I like to re-evaluate, and move things around if I feel it's warranted. I felt it was warranted at middleweight right now.

The top two don't change. Lineal champ Sergio Martinez is No. 1 by a country mile. That's not even a race. Felix Sturm, with two straight very close fights, stays at No. 2, but he's far, far closer to the rest of the field than he is to Martinez.

I've bumped Matthew Macklin up to No. 3, followed by titleholders Daniel Geale, Dmitry Pirog, and Gennady Golovkin, in that order. Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam remains at No. 7, and then there are two new entrants. Poland's Grzegorz Proksa, who holds the European title, is in at No. 8, followed by Martin Murray, also new to the rankings. Andy Lee remains at No. 10.

Dropping out are Marco Antonio Rubio (8) and Darren Barker (9). Neither of them have established themselves as any better than those last three, but again, it's a judgment call, and one that could change easily with further evidence.

Boxing rankings should always be in motion, I believe, and not stay frozen if someone happened to do something impressive that later doesn't seem so impressive.

In the case of Rubio, that win over David Lemieux earlier this year doesn't look so great now that Lemieux has come back and lost to Joachim Alcine, who was considered washed up by most who had seen him recently. Add in the fact that Rubio has spent the time since that win farting about with entirely overmatched opponents, including Matt Vanda coming up on Friday, and I think his stock has dropped.

Proksa comes in sort of along the lines of Pirog, Golovkin and N'Jikam: He's really talented, and the upside is real, and he's had some decent wins if nothing amazing. What Murray did against Sturm was simply more impressive, in my view, than what Barker or Rubio have done this year.

As for Barker, I know he was moderately impressive in that he didn't get blown out of the ring by Martinez in October, but did he really challenge Martinez, or just make him take his time? Martinez knocked him out after largely controlling the fight, and Barker's recent fights besides that haven't exactly been impressive.

Counting Barker and Rubio, there are three more guys who are right there with the field at the moment in Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Sebastian Zbik and Peter Quillin.

I feel like the top seven here are the top seven here, period. I wish some of them would fight more, I wish some of them would fight better competition, and I wish like hell that they'd fight each other, which Martinez and Macklin appear headed to do in March. But those last three spots are wild cards. I think Proksa has the serious upside potential along with results that stack up to Rubio or Barker in recent outings, and I believe that Murray earned his way to his spot.

Lightweight

Minor tweak here, as I jumped Kevin Mitchell to No. 7 over Urbano Antillon. This is a division that likely will get a reassessment next week.

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PLEASE !!!

SOMEBODY at middleweight fight SOMEBODY !!!! This is really killing me, match any two guys in the top 13 and it’s a toss-up fight (see Sturm-Macklin, Sturm-Murray and Chavez-Zbik) , yet very little is happening.
This is because, just like heavyweight, most guys are hoping for a big money fiht with the top guy (Martinez) and are unwilling to risk any loss that could jeopardize their chance.

by Radu on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

There’s a healthy dose of a bunch of guys hoping to not have to face any of those pesky “challenges” either. Everyone says they’re not going to hide their belt away, then they all do. it’s a division filled to the brim with true paper titlists.

The shit part is I really think all of them can fight and you cannot make a bad unification bout. Every single possibility on paper would be a fun fight.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup. Its an issue of a lot of politics and external influences taking precedence over the fights themselves.

One thing I suppose I’d argue: Macklin at #3 was robbed of a decision over Sturm at #2, who has only managed to draw in his most recent fight against Murray at #8. Ignoring all the other lousy decisions going his way, any particular reason why you didn’t choose to knock him down a couple steps?

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 13, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Macklin at #3 was robbed of a decision over Sturm at #2

I firmly disagree that that fight was a robbery. Sturm gave as good as he got, and outlanded Macklin. It was a terrific fight. People who scored that thing 10-2 for Macklin puzzled the shit out of me, to be honest. Still do.

any particular reason why you didn’t choose to knock him down a couple steps?

Because nobody else has done any better.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 14, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean if you see Sturm as being a potential equal or winner in that fight, then I don’t blame you for not moving him down. Its basically predicated on that.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 14, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be nice to see. I’m still excited about the lightweight division which to me is most loaded… and add gamboa and gesta to the picture then BOOM!

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by cylee1180 on Dec 13, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't get the demotion of Khan

Perhaps he’s not as good as everyone thought, but it seemed (I didn’t watch) that most (>50%) thought he won, including yourself. So why disregard that as you did/would for Chisora say? Just digging a little deeper on the thought process, not a criticism at all.

by Flashpacker on Dec 13, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Chisora/Helenius was a indisputable robbery. Peterson/Khan was a razor-thin decision that could be reasonably argued either way. Not a fair comparison.

by Verklemptomaniac on Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Chisora clearly, clearly, clearly won, same with a case like Erislandy Lara. Khan I had winning by a single point. A spot is a spot in most ways, but it’s kind of like

1. Timothy Bradley




2. Lamont Peterson
3. Amir Khan

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by Scott Christ on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t put all that space between Bradley and then whoever should number 2.

One could make a similar argument about Bradley that you made about Rubio, he fought a pointless fight with Casamayor, that’s about as washed up a fighter as there is… Then his fight against Devon Alexander certainly didn’t raise his stock in my eyes.

Bradley’s 2011 year was basically a wash at best. Then a single fight in allll of 2010? Against Abregu? I love the Argentine fighter but…

I agree he has to be placed number one, and it’s not his fault I know (after all he tried to fight Alexander and got in a contract situation), but he hasn’t really fought since 11/2009, while everyone else in that division has been fighting each other. I don’t put that much of a gap there between him and everyone else just because of his weak match ups for almost two years.

It’s a weird division though, because you have to put Peterson at number 2 after last weekend, but in reality all three guys below him would probably be favorites to win, with Peterson only having a real chance against Maidana if he can avoid the stalking Maidana is sure to do for 12 rounds.

I’d still

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by Chris Sarda on Dec 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Rubio isn’t a guy who fought a top 3 guy in his division and won, or held a world title at any point in the last…well…ever. He’s a guy spinning his wheels fighting mid-tier opposition in a division where everyone else is beating better fighters, and he doesn’t have a signature win to point to in order to argue his place in the division’s elite. He has lots of bad losses though, and wins over guys that are irrelevant in a largely European controlled division.

Whether or not the Alexander fight didn’t elevate him, he beat enough guys coming in to be most people’s #1, and he beat a lot of people’s #2 in the division that fight. Rubio has never beaten anyone’s #10.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 13, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey I said a “similar argument”, Bradley…

I agree he’s number 1 don’t get me wrong, but he hasn’t really fought great opposition to have that huge of a gap like Scott was joking. When everyone else in that division had been fighting each other.

Don’t focus on the Rubio comparison, we’ll go to far off topic and the point I really wanted to make. :)

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by Chris Sarda on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

he hasn’t really fought great opposition to have that huge of a gap like Scott was joking.

Beat Devon Alexander soundly when Alexander was No. 2. Beat Kendall Holt soundly. Beat Lamont Peterson soundly. Beat Junior Witter on his home turf when Witter was No. 2.

Tim Bradley has had problems, but resume ain’t one of ’em.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m more of a what have you done for me lately kind of guy I guess. I wouldn’t call beating Alexander “soundly” I would say he got a W off of a headbutt, shouldn’t count against him and should barely count for him.

Junior Witter and Lamont Peterson are fine for the career, but Witter is coming up on three years.

I just think the gap isn’t that big, because lately all of those guys below have been fighting each other and he’s been dealing with headbutts, old guys and contract disputes for two years now.

That’s about as close to being inactive to me without actually being inactive, when the three guys below him cumulative opponents have been Cayo, Victor Ortiz, Amir Khan, Lamont Peterson, Maidana, Erik Morales even the obnoxious Devon Alexander has fought Kotelnik and Matthysse.

Again, I think he has to be number one for the simple fact that the people below him have lost to each other the last two years and he does have skill, I’m just ready for him to show it in 2012 a little more than he has in 2010 and 11.

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by Chris Sarda on Dec 14, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ok

Bradley fought in January and November 2011.
Alexander fought in January and June 2011.
Khan fought in April, July and December 2011.
Peterson fought in July and December 2011.
Maidana fought in April and September (kinda) 2011.
Matthysse fought in June and December (kinda) 2011.
Morales fought in April and September 2011.

I mean, I’m not really seeing how Bradley is any more inactive than the rest of them. Was Joel Casamayor really a shittier opponent than Petr Petrov or Sergio Priotti or Pablo Cano? Bradley had a contract dispute and still fought as much as the rest of them.

I don’t know why you bring up Kotelnik vs Alexander, either. Bradley has fought twice since then, same as Alexander has, beat Alexander, and fought a month before Alexander “beat” Kotelnik.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 14, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Scott is right on this one

It’s not pretty when you see Bradley fight, but Dessert Storm makes sure the ref nor the judges can’t snatch wins from him. Honestly, he is just the best boxer in this weight class and I don’t think it is close.

by tacklerford on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s my feeling right now. If Khan comes back, shows improvements, smokes Peterson in a rematch, for example, he’s right back there. But the Khan I saw against Peterson would have a horrible time with Tim Bradley.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradley has had three (kinda) fights as you put it, is where I am. I qualify that Alexander fight as a (kinda) fight even though it was two top tens fighting.

I feel like I’m not getting my point across. Let me try this way and we’ll see if we’re tired of the conversation or not. Let me make it clear that I’d rank Bradley number 1 too, (you sorta have to) just not with that “gap”

I’m going to play a question answer game. In the last two or so years…

Why isn’t Khan ranked higher? Because he lost to Peterson (around top five in most people’s book pre saturday)

Why isn’t Maidana ranked higher? Because he lost against Khan in Dec 2010.

Why isn’t Matthysse ranked higher? His ranking is up there because many see him as being robbed by Judah (top ten to most) and Alexander (top five at the time)

Why is Alexander ranked higher? Despite wins against Matthysse and Kotelnik we think he got the benefit of the doubt and he got a true loss off technical decision after like five rounds against Bradley.

Why wasn’t Peterson ranked higher (pre the Khan fight)? He tied with Ortiz And wins against Cayo and Fuller aren’t going to excite most.

Why is Bradley number one? Because of fights he had in 2009 and 2008? He got a W against Alexander, but did that really raise his stock? Beating up Cassamayor and Abregu don’t do that much for me either.

If Khan after his Maidana win would have started acting the MIddleweights are now and fought a bunch of McCloskeys, we’d have to keep him in his spot of 1 or 2 also.

I’m just saying for the most part the people “under” him have been working “harder” against tougher competition, in fights that show their mettle or expose them in some cases. Bradley has fought a washed up Argentine a washed, a washed up Cuban and got a W off of an accidental headbutt.

It’s not his fault, but that shortens the gap between him and the rest of the division for me. Khan took a tough fight (one at the end of last year and one last week), Bradley hasn’t been in a tough fight since ’09 (again! I know he tried to take a tough fight against number two at the time Alexander, but it was not a tough fight).

So hopefully the point I was trying to make is a bit clearer, but I’ve failed twice at it. I don’t expect agreement but the responses didn’t seem to be responding to what I trying to say, that it been like Bradley has been inactive, not that he actually has been.

With that I’m gonna take a dump and go to bed… G’night :)

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by Chris Sarda on Dec 15, 2011 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If Bradley runs into a ref who deducts points for headbutts, actual butts not just coming in with his head low, he’ll lose just the way Khan did. Bradley’s been getting away with murder on that issue forever, can’t punch hard with his arms, and will lose if he’s prevented from punching with his head, is my guess.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 14, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t know BoxAnne. He pretty much outboxed Peterson without using his head. Did the same to Kendall Holt. People complain about his head (Peterson and Holt didn’t), but even with the point deductions the fights just haven’t been close. And does anybody think Alexander was going to give Bradley problems? He’s been winning on scorecards going away. Khan was in a dogfight even without the deductions.

by tacklerford on Dec 14, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a good boxer who can’t punch. He’s pretty notorious for butts. I’m personally convinced it’s deliberate and don’t like him for it. No, Alexander wasn’t going to give him problems, because he can’t punch as hard as we all thought, and he can’t box very well either.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 14, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

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