2011 Fighter of the Year: Tough Call. What do youu Think?
by Boss Man on Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM EST
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PrintAs I put the finishing touches on my annual Boxing Awards for 2011, most categories present ample candidates and interesting choices. However, Fighter of the Year is not one of them. For that matter, Trainer of the Year is an equally difficult pick.
Juan Manuel Marquez is on my list but Manny Pacquiao is not. So is Heman Marquez. Floyd Mayweather Jr. didn’t do enough and Sergio Martinez did not look all that good in his last outing. Yuriorkis Gamboa, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Austin Trout, and the active Lucian Bute come to mind, and Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (6-0 in 2011 and 83-3-1 overall) must be given serious consideration. Abner Mares’ low blow fest with Joseph Agbeko in their first fight takes him out of the running, but Nonito Donaire remains a distinct possibility. Brandon "Bam Bam" Rios for his work against Acosta and Antillion warrants mention as does James Kirkland for his 5-1 mark in 2011.
Jorge Arce and Jhonny Gonzalez continue to streak and while they don’t get the publicity of others, they deserve the same attention. Jhonny is 4-0 in 2011 and 51-7 overall. Arce is 59-6-2 and has won three tough fights in 2011 including the dramatic 12th round stoppage of undefeated Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. in May for the WBO super bantamweight title. A case can be made for either one.
In 2011 so far, Carl Froch (28-1) beat Glen Johnson and Andre Ward (24-0) beat Arthur Abraham. Now they meet on Saturday with the Junior Middleweight Super Six title at stake. Depending on the nature of that fight, the winner seems the likeliest candidate for Fighter of the Year though I am also leaning toward Donaire and Wonjongkam
So, who is the standout boxer of 2011? Who do you think deserves the award?
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Juan Manuel Marquez
any year.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Official result aside I’d also say Marquez since I think he beat Pacman. But if the official results matter then I’d say Arce or maybe the winner of Ward Froch (would depend on how the fight goes).
The Super Six winner, assuming no grand controversy. It’s a close year, and whoever takes that scores their biggest win and potentially takes a leap forward.
Prbably depending on the nature of the fight. If it turns out to be a snoozer, all bets are off.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Marquez for me
Unless the S6 winner puts in a massive performance
Cotto maybe after his dominant victory
As for tranier of the year….. Tough tough pick….. Tempted to say Wolfe but Kirklands win over Angulo is not enough to warrant it on it own
I've been leaning towards Donaire
With the Hopkins-Dawson result being changes to a NC, I think a strong case could be made for Hopkins as well in a year where there hasn’t been one standout fighter. With the field pretty weak, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he ends up winning some major awards. In terms of quality fights, Brandon Rios is in the mix, but his quality of opposition just isn’t as good as the other candidates. If the Super Six winner takes it convincingly, he might end up with it.
Others I think are at least deserving of a shout-out: Lamont Peterson, Anselmo Moreno, Orlando Salido, Vitali Klitschko, Brian Viloria, and if he wins his last fight, Kazuto Ioka.
I don’t really see the argument for Pong. He may have gone 6-0, but outside of Sosa, his opposition has been horrendous. Heck, I’d probably pick Suriyan for Thai fighter of the year over him. Same goes for Kirkland – while there was a nice comeback story, getting massively upset, beating four cans and having one good win doesn’t get you in the mix. I agree with the rest of the shout-outs though.
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I’d go with Suriyan and Tepparith over Pong, actually. All had nice years — good year for the top Thai fighters.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Brickhaus--
I am a big fan of Donaire’s, but—
In his last bout, he faced a man who was afraid to fire back, didn’t (as I recall) have a punch anyway, and covered up but left his body wide open. The HBO team kept wondering what a boxer was supposed to do with an opponent who wouldn’t fight
and Harold Lederman finally spoke up and responded to the effect that what a well-schooled fighter from back in the “day”
would have done was to step off to the sides and break the man in half (and bring his guard down). Now this may have more
to do with Donaire’s trainer, but I wonder if you have ANY opinion on this at all? I’ve asked the same several times on different threads but can get no conversation about it. That may be because no-one wants to have a conversation, or respond, to me
which is fine as sooner or later I’ll get the hint, or become tired of wasting time, and stop posting. Apologies for same question.
by Don From Prov on Dec 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Look, Doniare won every round. Might as well get the work in. No need to step to the side and take
risks. I get Harold’s point, but the reult was OK. And wasn;t garcia tuoturing Nonito?
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Judgement a little empty
as well :)
How does he take a chance by stepping to the side?
(That is a real question as I believe that you have knowledge I might not.)
by Don From Prov on Dec 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
When a boxer throws to the body like that he leaves himself open to a counter hook to the head. I doubt Donaire would have gotten caught by anything in that fight but still. Probably not worth the risk in that fight.
Could not have said it any better. That's why trainers don't teach it.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
I don't disagree with you at all
But the fact that he was able to completely dominate two guys who were at worst top 30 P4P guys gives him the two best wins of the year on the whole. I could certainly be convinced it should be someone else. Nobody really stands out to me. If Hopkins beat Dawson, he’d be a no brainer. If Marquez beat Pacquiao, same thing. But the way things actually are, I struggle to think of someone with better wins overall.
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Those are very valid points, Brickhaus.
giatin: I agree that Nonito would have been in any danger of big counters in that fight, so—agreed—
Only, in order to become a complete fighter, it is a skill he needs, and what better time to work on it?
by Don From Prov on Dec 16, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
You are hung up on this because Harold Ledrman said it. That doesn't make it right.
For all we know, Nonito can do it, but simply chose to get in the work against a turtlr.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
No I am not hung up because Lederman said it--
I don’t think of the man as a boxing god. I’m “hung up” as you put it because once the idea was out there, I thought about it and agreed, simple as that. His opponent’s body was clearly there to be worked—
Why, instead of offering $100,000 for a foe who’d “fight” Nonito, not work on being more becoming more complete?
by Don From Prov on Dec 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hate NightAll???
Well, yes—
I had a bad experience. BUT Nonito is my favorite young fighter.
And via “that’s why trainers don’t teach it” SOMEONE must because I’ve seen one or two fighters step to the side and punish an opponent’s body to bring those earmuffs (as Mr. Atlas says) down down down—
This subject is too difficult to get a serious conversate on: I surrender!
by Don From Prov on Dec 16, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a good year for the darkhorses. Tyson Marquez had three really good wins and I think his case is much stronger than he’ll be given credit for when the BWAA just picks the Super Six winner. It’s inevitable.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Now you're just goading Mr. Sares
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They’re a predictable lot. Perhaps so am I, though.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 16, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
And for FOTY I can’t really decide, but I’d put Peterson up there. His win over Khan was a good one.
Trainer of the year, to me, is Robert Garcia without question
Even if Margarito lost to Cotto, he looked better than he’s looked in a while, and he also trained two other top guys who had great years.
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I'm with you on Garcia.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I agree and didn't jhe also work with Donaire?
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
In February of this Year, Nonito KO'ed Montiel
And he reigns at the top of his weight class.
He has my vote.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
If any of the two fighters in the Super Six final really impresses, I feel that would be a good choice, but other than that I’m trying to pick between Brandon Rios and Arce … And boy, is that hard to say, cause I really dislike Rios.
Rios’ case would have been better had he not missed weight against Murray. I don’t hate him for it happening or anything, just think it weakens his case for Fighter of the Year.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 15, 2011 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I was impressed he was able to keep up so many rounds of brutality given the condition he was in.
I have a hard time giving Fighter of the Year to a guy who failed to make weight for a fight. Again, it’s not that I’m all up in arms about him not doing it, it just sort of disqualified him from consideration for me.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 15, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Had he made the weigght and kept his title, I would have voted for him hands down, but
he blew it. Still, I can understand why he cou’n’t make weight and it had nothing to do with his training habits as much as it did with his body changing. Right now, it looks like Froch or Ward and I hope it’s Froch but I suspect it will be Ward. Tyson Marquez and Arce also warrant another hard look.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Or if he had actually fought a top guy
The Acosta win is already getting underrated, but while he had three solid wins, none of them were truly good. The fights themselves were good, but it’s not like 4-time fight of the year participant Arturo Gatti ever won fighter of the year either, and Rios is still no Gatti.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think the Acosta win was quite good, the Antillon and Murray wins solid. The latter two were tailor-made for him, though. They mirrored him with a weaker version of himself in each fight.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 16, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
il go for JMM.
but i love to give a shot to this guy lamont peterson.. not to overrate his win against khan but i like his composure in his fights this year. his shots aren’t that spectacular but he’s the fighter of the year for me.
"Effort without Efficiency is nonsense.." -rk mag
Re trainer,
I’m leaning heavily towrd Garcia. He is more than a one trick pony and he trains champions. Donaire, Mikey, Rios, and now Pavlik as a wrok in progress. He is the guy boxers now seem to seek out.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
I'm with you there
I think he’s a no-brainer this year. Margarito is his only black mark, and Margarito still looked pretty decent with one eye and at about 60% of his peak.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yeah
I tried to think of any other trainers out there I’d give a strong shot, but no, it’s Garcia this year, period. Manny Steward had a good year with Wlad and Andy Lee, but he’s not even close. Ann Wolfe turned Kirkland around and I respect her greatly, but in club-level fights and against Alfredo Angulo, not a favorite of mine to begin with. Pedro Diaz on one fight was terrific, but it’s one fight. Freddie isn’t in the discussion this year. If the BWAA gives him another award, I’ll lose my shit.
If Froch does win on Saturday, I’d give Rob McCracken second place I think. And I quite like Joe Gallagher.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 16, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh, Stand back BLH posters
Kessler entered the bout as a strong favorite and taking Ward’s win away (especially considering his DOMINANCE before, during and after the 8th round), is simply not fairminded (IMO).
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Joe Gallagher wa on a 40 fight unbeaten streak untill Mitchel beat Murray I believe
Something like that anyway
by Sweet science on Dec 17, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Martinez, Donaire, Rios, Rodriguez, Marquez
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Morales for me.
That single fight with Maidana reminded me of why I love watching boxing. Over the last decade hat dude has given us more than his fair share of himself in the name of our entertainment.
by Phill on Dec 15, 2011 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Morales has had more wars than Afganistan , he should be tucked up warm in the HoF by now imo but I don’t see him as fighter of the year . Come-back of the year maybe .
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Comeback of the year maybe, but Kirkland gets that in my book.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
mmmmmmm.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Can you really
get comeback of the year when the fall happened in the same year? At least half of it did for him.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think so, but I wondered about that. Erik Moraleas would get it otherwise.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Indeed.
Hopkins is a legend.
Mundine is a Leg end.
See?
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Morales is (and I honestly don’t like using the phrase, cos it sounds cheap) a living legend. Hopkins is a big mouthed old fart. He’s never been in a fight like Erik! ;-)
You will doubt here from JC46 on this matter.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I am learning English faster than you say right c--t.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Brian Viloria
Defeated two champions in 2011.
Why dont we ever see the headline "Psychic
wins lottery" in the newspapers?
JMM for me . I do love that little fella , in all the right ways you understand.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:00 PM EST reply actions
Phil mate . " in all the right ways". Hehehe .
Thinking about it that could have been taken as you’ve obviously taken it – if you understand me hehehehehe.
Good to hear from you mate . Hope all is well.
Just came across this
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2011/12/15/boxing-promoter-don-king-and-former-champions-mike-tyson-and-oscar-de-la-hoya-could-be-heading-for-cardiff-91466-29960995/
Fancy a pint in Cardiff 2013 ?
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice one.
I’ll wear a pink carnation so you recognise me.
Judging by your avatar it’ll be easy to spot you – you’ll fit right in in Wales with a look like that :-)
Don’t sound like a done deal yet , I’ll keep an eye on proceedings. A mate of mine works at the Millem., maybe time to call in a favour or two me thinks.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll be on the door , back where he belongs .
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ref: he’ll be on the door is for Audley.
Nard / Clev – who knows , this is boxing .
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not into the WBC event Ted?
Your not invited anyway. Your trouble.
No Aussies allowed either I’ve heard.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 15, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not that far away Don mate :-)
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 16, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
I don’t
even recall who you were being inappropriate about, Sir Jack.
I’ve been having troubles on these boxing site of late my friend!
by Don From Prov on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was being inapproriate about Phil mate.
What troubles you having buddy?
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 16, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Say it ain't so Sir Jack--
Not with the estimable Phil!
See Ted, below (where he belongs), claiming my troubles to be of the Old Yank variety? WRONG!
Yankling defines the word slime. One engages with him knowing a shower will be necessary—
Though I would like to express my frustrations with his mouthy self in a more up close manner, but he = nada.
It’s more a lack of good, quality boxing. And good, quality boxing conversation.
In all honesty, the sites are not the same without regular Brit and Aussie (and I guess the mutt Welsh—and odd Scot thrown in at times) participation. And very few of the same even visit the other site, the new one, at all.
It all seems so…. Empty!! :)
God, I love the holidays!
by Don From Prov on Dec 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Don
“Though I would like to express my frustrations with his mouthy self in a more up close manner” . I second this and raise you a red hot poker.
I cannot , alas , help with the boxing , I can with the conversation but not the quality part obviously.
Work’s been a killer for me of late and I’ve been away quite a bit so I haven’t been able to get on here that much let alone come visit the new place but some kind soul sent me an invite and a code so I’ll come visit soon , when I’ve got enough time to have a good look.
Good Brit/Yank fight tonight mate – I’m rooting for the Brit but the Yank’s gonna do the business imo .
I can already hear myself shouting at Carl to keep his hands up ( as I have a hundred times before) – he won’t.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 17, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
– he won’t.
at least you already know, Sir Jack—
Though I’m not sure about any of that “knowing being the first step” shit.
Sounds like AA talk to me.
Work has been a bit much here too, Sir Jack—and Phil, I wish you’d tell my students about my kindness.
They don’t seem to know yet. Anyway this is Mr. Froch’s sweetie to look at if nothing else, yes?
by Don From Prov on Dec 17, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
"there"
is
Mr. Froch’s sweetie… .
The this must have been some kind of wishful thinking
by Don From Prov on Dec 17, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hate is a terrible tjing to waste on an otherwise "sweet and sensitive" individual.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
You’re too kind Don!!
Sir Jack, I too will be screaming the same at Frochy. I just hope it’s not in vain.
Like I just said to Oli on the main page, he’s got to listen to Rob McCracken, box at a bit of a distance and try and land eith this heavy hands he posses.
And make it a brawl. Br rough in there. Cuff him up some. Return dirt with dirt.
If Ward does the butt, butt him back. If he elbows, elbow him back twice. Be the boss in there, Carl.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Brandon Rios
Bam Bam gets my vote this year.
First, he walks down Acosta in a thriller in Vegas. Then he slugs it out over 3 grueling rounds with Antillon and finally he comes in looking like a zombie and guts out a tough, tough TKO against a very game Murray.
His opponents this year have the combined record of 87-6-2. Not too shabby a year for Rios.
I have no problem with Rios winning it
There’s about five guys I have no argument with – there’s only a sliver separating them. I’d be comfortable with Donaire, Rios, Arce, Hopkins or the Super Six winner.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Hopkins over Tyson Marquez? I beg to differ.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 16, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Me too. Hopkins is becoming "Pian in the Ass Fighter of the Year." Or whiner of the year.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
testing the bq
I like Arce plenty….but why?
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Big upset win over Vazquez mostly
But also “won belts” in two different weight classes this year.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don’t take most recent title win seriously; It was basically just handed to him because he’s popular, and done so in a fight with a guy that had no business sharing the ring with him. Second such fight of the year, in fact. I mean, great that he beat Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. in a great fight, but…yeah. I just don’t see it.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, Rios is a good choice imo.
My top 3 would be Rios, Donaire (maybe the other way around) then Hernan Marquez.
Saying that
I think that would look better for Froch if he won (i don’t think he will btw).
Ward is expected to win, and was even more so against Abraham, whereas Froch beating Ward would be a pretty big upset and would probably get him in my top 3.
He looked half dead in the ring
And as limited as Murray is, he’s a persistant little begger!
Having said that im with Scott. Rios lost his claim to FighterOTY on the scales.
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Rios didn’t come in heavy due to laziness. As stupid as it sounds, he is a growing boy and I am not about to punish him because he waited one fight too long to move up in weight. He tried his hardest to make weight and then went out and handled his business like a man.
Rios didn’t come in heavy due to laziness
I thought he was lazy in between camps. If he took better care of himself he may have stood a much better chance of making weight. Granted, he is a massive LW, and he did take the fight when he could have bailed, but he signed the fight at LW, he should have made it and that means taking care of yourself in between fights
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
No. he just could not hoild his body from growing. He tried hard to make weight but simply could not. Hell, he didn't want to lose 20 grand.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
He said in the post fight it could have been the altitude training in Mexico. It was cold up there vs. sweating it out in his Oxnard gym. Sounds legit. Either way his team just hired Victor Conte…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Either way his team just hired Victor Conte…
Vomit
by Sweet science on Dec 20, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
That is spot on. He also has amean streak I really llike. He is a fighter.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
The scary thing about Rios is that he seems to enjoy getting punched in the face. He may have picked it up from Margarito but he smiles when he gets hit. He also has the “you hit me once I’m hitting you 3 times back” mentality which makes for awesome fights.
He also smiles when he comes back to his corner. He has a great mean streak working
in there and I love the way he paces back and fortrh befor the fight starts. Like an animal waiting to attack. Love it.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
I think he's UK fighter of the year without a doubt
But his wins this year were mostly so-so. Good for him he pulled off another upset against Katsidis, and had Martinez been this year too, he’d be in the running for sure.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah
Assuming Froch loses. I just forgot him when writing this because everywhere else I just said “Super 6 winner” instead of “Froch or Ward”
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Even if Froch loses, depebding on how hhe loses, he still might deserve it.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
We are talking about UK Fighter of the Year. If Froch loses a close and cntraversial
SD or MD to Ward, he still should get UK Fighter of the Year.IMOI Christm he out the UK on the boxing map this year
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Would you call a win over
A crippled Nicky Cook a defence or worthy of consideration?
If he had fought another top level performer at SFW or LW, then he would be in with a shout. But as good as his victory over Katsidis was, that was his only top level fight
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MfVEjoO0Q
Fight starts at about 6:50
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Depends which Mitchell shows up
He sure is inconsistant. With Burns. You know he will bring it and be in top shape with a solid game plan
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
The proper Mitchell obviously :) Not the one who fought Katsidis! ( I know styles, fights.. etc)
You’re right about Cook too. How I forgot that ??
Also, on Burns Mitchell
I feel Burns prefers it when his opponent comes charging at him. Martinez & Katsidis both swing from the hills
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Play to Ricky Burns, he is a likeable guy and he gets alot of abuse for not having a stand out quality as a boxer but you could flip it and say he doesnt have any obvious weaknesses. He does seem to raise his game against better opposition. He is one of those guys that does interest me and I look forward to seeing his next few fights. I just hope now he has a “title” at lightweight he doesn’t just defended it against nobodies, because after he beat Martinez he had 3 very easy title defences before going back up in my eyes with the Katsidis fight
I'm with you
But on the other hand, Burns has already proven to be much better than I ever thought he’d be.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don't think anyone would have thought he'd make it to world level
by Sweet science on Dec 16, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
I still brag that I predicted his win over The Kat
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
But if Mitchell turns up
And performs like he did against Murray, I would be inclined to agree. I think his angles and accuracy will be too much
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
My mum works with someone who knows him
Apparantly (Alledgedly) …. according to my source (Hopefuly I won’t get a lawsuit against me…..
He has always been into the drugs.
Such a waste
by Sweet science on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Calling your mom a mum is a dead give away that you are either from Boston or the UK
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
You know, depending on how the fight pans out on Saturday, this thread might have some life in it. If Froch-Ward put on a snooze fest or if there is a cut that stops the fight early, the Fighter of the Year pick becomes wide open.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
I can’t see Ward or Froch being the fighter of the year unless something fantastic happens. Ward beat an exposed Abraham in a snoozer and Froch beat Glen Johnson who, sad to say, is nothing more than a brick wall standing in the way of the new breed of elite super middleweights.
I don’t think either man did enough this year.
Correct, which means the winner might not get Fighter oif the year.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Both would have to have the fight of their lives and then some for that imo.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 16, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions
“Pinky” ha , I like that one.
Big ask for our Clumbsy Carl tomorrow night mate.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 16, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions
I’d be very happy to see him win. He’s never ducked anyone, travelled to fight and always gives everything. Perhaps a little too much and that may be his undoing tomorrow.
I agree with you. Tough as feck , fit the same , brave but …
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 16, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm rooting for him big time, but Ward has the resume.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Chavez Jr deserves an hon. mention.
He isnt more worthy than those listed, but hes won a lot of ppl over who were dogging him for being overrated….he could win this next yr, mind.
by Shitali Klitschko on Dec 17, 2011 12:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
My two cents would be:
Winner of Super 6.
Nonito Donaire – Almost decapitated Montiel and beat gun-shy Narvaez.
Hernan Marquez – Went to war with Luis Concepcion twice and knocked him out both times.
Lamont Peterson – Beat Cayo and Khan. That’s gotta mean something.
And those who had a good year…
Jhonny Gonzalez – Went 4-0 in featherweight.
Brian Viloria – Won the WBO Flyweight belt while upsetting heavy-handed Segura.
Orlando Salido – Got the TKO against Juanma Lopez.
Kazuto Ioka – Won a belt in his 7th pro fight by beating the no. 1 in the division.
Tepparith Kokietgym – Beat top rated Francisco and Kameda.
Daniel Geale – Won the IBF title in Germany and went to war in Australia.
If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.
GO Armageddon!!!
Should I ask my "Nonito not
breaking
down Narvaez to the body" question now?
I can't help it--
I’m a
HATER: I think it might be a Scottish thing
Revising my list.
Fighter of the year:
Andre Ward
Brandon Rios (forgot to put him there, one helluva year)
Tyson Marquez
Nonito Donaire
Jhonny Gonzalez
Upset of the Year:
Lamont Peterson
Comeback fighter of the year:
Jorge Arce (winning 2 belts after everyone has written him offf in the fight against Vasquez Jr.)
Fight of the year:
Too f**king many to choose. Great year for good fights.
If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.
GO Armageddon!!!
Your first 3 fighters are my first 3 fighters
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
My top 3
1/ Brandon Rios
2/ Nonito Donaire
3/ Andre Ward
Ward just edged out Hernan Marquez inot no.4 for me.
Between Marquez and Ward for me
I think it will go to Ward.
But if Marquez would have got more favourable/fairer/correct scores against Manny, we wouldn’t be having this converstation
I have never seen Tyson fight im afraid
I don’t really get much exposure to the little un’s. Prehaps I should make it a new years resolution :)
My point stands though. If JMM had got the decs (Which he should have in my, and many others opinion) he is a no brainer
by Sweet science on Dec 18, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Now you have no excuses...
First fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmAfaOa7YHo
Second fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrsnGvz3zqc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Second fight reminds me of Pacquiao Marquez 3 if Marquez had more pop…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Consider me on The Tyson Marquez bandwagon
That was awesome
Thanks again
by Sweet science on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant."
-- Vernon Forrest (1971-2009)
I have just submitted my list to the site editor of the site I write for. I also gave it to Scott in case he wants to run it. Every year I like to be first and then watch to see who copies me. This year I came up with some that I think are pretty damn good and reflect some solid research. I do the global reserach unlike most writers who tend to think the world begins and ends in the US.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant."
-- Vernon Forrest (1971-2009)
You have that one before?
I remember seeing it
Still a very hard hitting statement. It does the job
by Sweet science on Dec 21, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. It's my best one.I'll stick with it for a while.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant."
-- Vernon Forrest (1971-2009)
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