Britain's Top 25 Boxers Countdown, Top Five: Carl Froch, Amir Khan Still Lead the Way
Note: I am not British. I merely watch a lot of British boxing. I have no automatic regional ties to anyone, no emotional attachments to anyone, and no biases toward anyone. I didn't do this to be deeply analytical or anything -- it's more for fun, just to write about boxing, which I sometimes don't do enough of (just writing and discussing boxing for pure enjoyment, I mean) because there's all this other stuff to do.
[ Related: Part One and Part Two of the Countdown ]
5. Kell Brook (26-0, 18 KO, Welterweight)

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Kell Brook is a fighter who in my head I describe as "fancy." I don't even know what I mean by that -- he's very talented, and his upside is genuine, and he deserves a shot, but... he seems like he could have a lower ceiling than some expect. Brook is rated as highly as he is in the welterweight division part on pure talent, and part on the fact that the division isn't particularly strong, and is still very top-heavy.
Brook left Frank Warren because he felt Warren wasn't progressing his career. Since signing with Matchroom, he's kind of stagnated again. Matchroom has been aggressive with their other fighters, such as Darren Barker and Carl Froch. Brook has been somewhat caught in the political machine of boxing, as title belts are on his mind and the 147-pound ranks don't offer much for a "next step" of any real worth for him. Everyone seems to be trying to find a way to get him that next step, or even skip a couple steps and launch him up the ladder against someone like Mike Jones. But right now he's still just waiting. We'll see what happens when he faces a legitimate test.
4. Ricky Burns (33-2, 9 KO, Lightweight)

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Ricky Burns is an interesting sort of success story in that his two best wins came against very limited brawlers (Roman Martinez and Michael Katsidis), but were impressive nonetheless because Burns lacks in so many ways himself that you keep expecting he'll lose to someone more well-known, and then he doesn't.
Obviously part of Burns' success is his trainer, Billy Nelson. The two have a fantastic dynamic and clearly game plan very well. Nelson gets the most out of Burns, who is a highly intelligent boxer. He's not slick and he's not quick and he's got almost no real power. But he wins because he's able to not make crucial mistakes. He also makes for pretty entertaining fights along the way, because he's not mechanical or anything. For example, a lot of the "solid" Eastern European fighters, bred in the amateur ranks, are also of that mistake-free ilk; but Burns does not fight like them. It seems like he's always right about to make some mistakes, giving him vulnerability, and he just doesn't make them.
I'll just ignore that entire Nicky Cook debacle.
3. Matthew Macklin (28-3, 19 KO, Middleweight)

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Macklin's strong showing against Felix Sturm elevated him to top contender status in the 160 pound division, and next up is likely a shot at new DiBella stablemate Sergio Martinez on March 17. Given that Macklin will likely lose badly (never say never and all, but it's not a favorable style clash for him), it's hard to say where he goes from there.
Macklin and Murray both surprised me this year against Sturm, and Sturm surprised me against both of them. He fought each of them hard and debunked the theory that he's a boring fighter. Rather, Sturm just had a tendency to make boring fights against guys who couldn't or wouldn't put pressure on him and force him into a battle. Macklin, like Amir Khan and Carl Froch ahead of him, is set to make the U.S. his home base. It's just a question of how long he can stay relevant near the top of the division.
2. Amir Khan (26-2, 18 KO, Junior Welterweight)

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All the talent in the world, and just might not have the mental game to keep it all afloat. Khan has "pound-for-pound" talent, but then so have a lot of guys over the years. Better prospects and better diamonds in the rough than Amir Khan have failed to make even the impact Khan has already made in the sport. His December 10 loss to Lamont Peterson was not really a terrible loss, and I suspect time will be kind to it if Amir bounces back.
But now we find out what he's made of mentally. The loss to Breidis Prescott was devastating and all, but Khan was able to go out, hire Freddie Roach, move up in weight, sign with Golden Boy, etc. Where do you go from this one though? He's not going to replace Roach or leave Golden Boy. A move up in weight doesn't seem like the greatest idea now that he has trouble with the physicality of a Lamont Peterson.
I did score the fight for Khan and do feel that despite all the fouling and the in my opinion perfectly legit deductions, he was the better man than Peterson, just barely. But I also do feel that the fight exposed his flaws and his bad habits more than any fight has to date. There's a lot to work on. He's got time on his side, but his ego may become an issue if he can't break himself down to build himself back up.
Still, I'm rooting for him. I may not care for his interviews, and he's been a PR disaster post-loss, but I like watching him fight.
1. Carl Froch (28-2, 20 KO, Super Middleweight)

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Despite losing on December 17, Froch remains the UK's top fighter in my estimation. He lost wider than Khan did, but also lost to a better fighter, didn't make excuses about it, and is already aiming to get himself back on top without whining to anyone who will listen so that he can get some help back to that position.
Carl Froch is sort of the epitome of what I like about British boxing, I think. He's tough, he's honest, he's hard-working, and he's ambitious. He has surpassed almost all expectations in his career and become a world class performer. If he never wins another fight, that will still be true.
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I became a Froch fan almost overnight. Y’know, I liked the guy but after the Ward fight, he had no excuses, gave his due and that’s a breath of fresh air these days. Then he signs up to fight Bute, and while I’d rather see Bute fighting Ward I can settle for this and will be excited for it come fight night. Will be rooting for Froch.
Good stuff here
Big a fan of Brook as i am i have to wonder about something that Dan Rafael said about him being a bit short on speed. For all his talent (and i was reasonably impressed with his performance in general) he did seem a bit slow paced, on Saturday.
I really hope he lives up to his potential but the jury is still out, imo.
I mean, i certainly think he will pick up a belt or three, but i mean the jury is out (in my mind) about whether he will make a truly great Brit fighter.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 19, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
i never noticed him having a severe lack of handspeed…maybe because the guys ive seen him in with were molasses-fisted. i dunno, i think he can do more then hang with this current crop of welterweights, but it will be interesting to see what he can do with a guy with a decent arsenal in front of him.
by The Twillness on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, i did say he may be " a bit short on speed", not “he has a severe lack of handspeed”. :)
by Matt Mosley on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m comparing his speed to the likes of Mayweather or Khan, not Froch.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't saying you did
But if your comparing boxers speed to Khan & Mayweather, 99 times out of 100 you will be dissapointed.
by Sweet science on Dec 20, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure about a lack of speed
He times his shots so very well so maybe that masks it.
He certainly isn’t slow though. Not Froch slow. So maybe it will only hamper him at the very highest level
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll pay the price! Cordingley is P4P!!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Just a quick question
I’m assuming you’re not counting Proksa or Olusegun as British? I could see Olusegun being outside of the top 25, but I think Proksa would be top 15 at least. I can see why he wouldn’t be counted though, even though he’s fought most of his career in the UK.
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Yeah, just British-born fighters.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 19, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Froch's Legacy
If he retired tomorrow is he a HOFer? If he beats Bute is he? Is Kessler? Is Bute?
by journeyintosound on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions
No, No, No and No
Kessler is easily the closest though. If Kessler were to beat Bute or Ward in a rematch, he’s about there.
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I would disagree
Kessler is best known for his loss to Calzaghe. And got whitewashed by Ward while going in as the fav.
Mind you… a Ward win would go along way.
But then what if Froch beats Bute twice. Depends on what kind of career Bute has after that. If Bute were to gon on and beat Ward later down the line, those wins by Froch would look a lot prettier.
Too many if’s though.
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just throwing it out there: Grzegorz Proksa is Polish-born but he has lived in Britain for a minute
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Human:301164 lists his hometown as Redhill, Surrey, UK.
Not a million miles from me :)
Who has Proska fought? I think I remember seeing him but can’t remember?
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
He just beatdown Sylvester in Germany. Proska looked very impressive, and some were comparing him to Martinez (style wise).
Keep an eye on him.
Was it on boxnation
Pretty sure I watched it. Memory needs some magic juice. Its a joke
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure it was on Boxnation. It was the undercard fight for Cunningham vs Hernandez.
Proksa v Golovkin would be a good matchup
Golovkin can bang
Will have to hunt down the Proska fight. As he was on BN and he’s now English based, am I right in assuming he is a Warren fighter?
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Solid list though.
Dang i Just saw Brickhaus’s comment. Apologize for the repetition.
Great work in all three parts
Top 5
Froch
Khan
Brook
Burns
Mitchell
Macklin
Froch is probably the second most limited behind Burns (Both have really over-achieved in their careers, and have a chance to keep on doing so) but both get the job done and in Froch’s case, fight the best each time out. Khan has all the talent in the world, and if he had half the brain of a Ward, or even a Burns he would be lethal. I now favour heavily Brook in a Khan matchup if that is too happen in 2012 (Im betting if Khan goes up to WW, he walks briskly in a different direction)
Burns at number four. If he had a little more pop he could be as high as number two. Katsidis & Martinez were almost perfect style matchups for him. But he deserves every bit of success that comes his way. Mitchell could be great. Had an off night against the Aussie. He needs to build on his win against Murray if the law allows him too. Macklin pushed Sturm all the way, but I will be shocked if he last 6 against Martinez. His chin isn’t the best and his defense will not be able to handle the angles of the Argie. Expect a brutal beatdown I am afraid
His toilet does overtime whenever he hears a siren....
Seriously… Nah
Just searched for any news on him. Nothing standsout
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
As long as he throws away the right things....
I hope Gavin sorts himself out too. I know he has had issues. But so has Jacobs. And they should look to him as an example (All be it from far away)
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Harrison had it all and he threw it all away. Now there’s a blueprint of how not to do things. Who’s Jacobs?
http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/12/18/2645491/daniel-jacobs-cancer-boxing-news-sparring-next-fight
Lost to Pirog. Vanished off the face of the earth. No wonder either. What a story this is turning out to be. Hopefully he can succeed.
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
How good was Harrison?
He was just before my time as a boxing fan.
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
He was an absolute rough arse. One hard man. Je just used to walk forward and punch, almost ignoring what came fro the other guy. He shot himself in the foot because of the booze if I recall correctly. Seem to remember him smacking a copper too. You got the impression he was a bad tempered bloke who never reached his potential. Couldn’t say how good he would’ve been though unfortunately.
If he can get over his issues
And get himself down to LWW, maintains it, He will be charging into the top 5 within three years
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
If Frankie gets it together, the sky is the limit.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 19, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Really can't see it happening
Hate to say it. Because im as high on his talent as anyone but…… Just doesn’t look good imo. I think he will lose, and soon. He could then go and do a Khan (After Bredis) and find himself or he could fall out of love with Boxing for ever
by Sweet science on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I pretty much agree with the entire list, except that I would maybe swtich Cleverly and Brook around. Its not that I don’t think Brook will pick up a title, its just that I think Cleverly has fought better fighters at this stage. Brook has been operating on the basis of his potential for too long.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
I remember watching a docu on Calzaghe. Does Enzo Calzaghe still train Nathan Cleverly and Gavin Rees? Thanks!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I think he pretty much retired with Joe, but I may be wrong. I thought he was back with Maccarinelli for a while, but I’m not sure. In fact, I’m not much use really!!! Some one else may know and may have more accurate details. :)
He’s back with Maccarinelli. I think it’s the only guy he’s interested in training at this point. Gary Lockett now trains Gavin Rees, and Clev is trained by his father Vince.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 20, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Used to love a bit of Enzo back in the day
Most relaxed dude. Always a cool head in the corner…..
by Sweet science on Dec 20, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions

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