Cotto vs Margarito 2 Undercard Preview: Brandon Rios, John Murray and The Fight That Changed On the Scales
I had held off on doing this preview for two reasons:
- I thought it was, while a good fight that promised action, the most open and shut case of the entire card. I had no doubts about the winner.
- There was a lot to cover the last couple of days, and I knew I could push back the fight previews until Friday, and little would be lost. This one came last for the Cotto vs Margarito undercard, so, you know, oh well. It's Rios vs Murray.
As little as four hours ago, I would have told that you Rios, the 25-year-old slugger from Oxnard, was gong to be too much for Murray, 26 and traveling across the pond from Manchester.
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I would have pointed out that just under five months ago, Murray was stopped in the eighth round of a terrific action fight against Kevin Mitchell in Liverpool. That fight was recently named British Fight of the Year by the British Boxing Board of Control. It was a damn fine fight, too, with Mitchell surprising a lot of folks by coming back from a long absence, going right at a legitimate opponent, and turning in the best performance of his career, when many thought he would look a shell of the fighter he once was supposed to be, but would never ultimately become.
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I would have noted that Mitchell, a small lightweight, used superior boxing skill and an overall better toolset to get the tough-minded, forward-charging Murray out of there, and that Rios, who is sort of like the best possible version of John Murray, wasn't the same matchup -- but would, in the end, prove too strong, too good, and too powerful.
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I would have told you that if you were a gambling sort, the +115 I saw earlier on betting the under for 6.5 rounds would have probably been a steal.
And I would have referenced Rios' July 9 smashing of Urbano Antillon, a fighter similar in style and quality to Murray.
But now that Brandon Rios has failed to make weight, it's a different story.
It's not that Rios failed to make weight, so much as the fact that he looked absolutely horrible at the weigh-in. About an hour before the show went live to the world via various web outlets streaming eight men being weighed in New York City, there were rumors flying that Rios vs Murray was in trouble.
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Nothing solid was reported, but it was assumed that one man was overweight.
John Murray stepped to the scale, clad in Peter Griffin boxer shorts, and looked fit, determined, and in the zone mentally.
Then Rios stepped up. Pale, he was, and gaunt. He looked like he'd been left out in the sun too long. Rios has always looked thin and a bit dried out at weigh-ins, but this was really something to see -- or not, given the lack of Rios weigh-in photos out there in the aftermath.
He didn't make weight, and couldn't make it in the hour after that he was given to successfully reach 135 pounds. Now, he has to weigh no more than 147 at 9 a.m. tomorrow morning, or the fight is off.
If it goes through, all bets are off at this point. Four hours ago, I wouldn't have even considered picking John Murray. Now, if Rios is even close to the shape he was in today when he gets into the ring (if he gets into the ring) tomorrow night at Madison Square Garden, I have a hard time seeing an out-of-shape Rios, whose lack of defense is becoming quickly legendary, surviving against a guy like John Murray, who comes at you and comes at you and does not give up. It's a bad guy to be drained against.
If the fight happens, I'm going with John Murray. It's a cautious pick, but that's how awful Rios looked today. John Murray TKO-7.
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I assume if the fight gets dropped, another one on the off-TV card gets bumped to give us a full allotment of four fights. Any idea which that would be? Mike Lee’s got a 6-rounder, which might be the best bet.
It’ll be Mike Lee if the fight gets dropped. No question whatsoever.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
which is exactly why I can't understand anyone wanting this to be canceled
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
That’s the way I see it going if the fight happens. It’s all to Murray’s advantage at this point because of the styles. I imagine this will be a long painful night for Rios as he tries to keep the weight down. A fight in and of itself.
by RRod806 on Dec 2, 2011 9:28 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I hope they announce whether the fight is on or off by the time I have to order the card.
They should absolutely have the fight, even if Rios is a heavy weight in the morning take an extra $20,000 and fight.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they know its off and then not officially announce anything til after the show starts. Sorry, just feeling cynical right now about the boxing business.
I agree with you. Things in boxing are shady as Hell sometimes and this seems like a perfect example. I hope it’s announced as soon as he steps off scale tomorrow
by RRod806 on Dec 2, 2011 9:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The blame here falls on Rios
This is some very unprofessional BS
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He’s not a lightweight. It’s not like this is a secret.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I just can’t go all the way down that path. Not every time. This does not remind me of JL Castillo repeatedly failing or Joan Guzman basically laughing about not making weight. He clearly tried to make weight. He’s 25 and was a lightweight. He obviously isn’t a lightweight anymore.
I can’t imagine being surprised by this happening, to be honest. He was known to be struggling to make the weight every time. They should have stopped having him try to make it.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Making weight is ridiculously difficult and it requires a plan. The plan didn’t work I think he effort was there. I don’t think this was intentional and I haven’t lost respect for Rios
by RRod806 on Dec 2, 2011 10:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I really, really think there was no getting him to 135 without putting him in the hospital to do it. If he hadn’t tried, he’d look healthy and have weighed 140 today.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. And I actually think tonight can be dangerous too. It’s a long time to have to deprive yourself of valuable fluids and nutrition.
by RRod806 on Dec 2, 2011 10:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Too many guys fight at weights that are too low for them in the first place.
Many do so because of bad advice. Others because they are convinced they can fight optimally at the lower weights. Or that there is more financial opportunity
Ortiz is a recent example who was considered fuel for fodder until he shocked even his handlers and virtually every prognosticator by being far more effective at welter than junior welter. Others should pay attention.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I paid to see Corrales and Castillo live
I flew from NYC to Vegas.
I am flying in to see Rios on this undercard. For me, as a paying customer, this is unprofessional.
Entirely unexpected, I guess not. but unprofessional. Definitely.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I have to admit I find it odd that such a huge Margarito fan finds this totally unacceptable but not so much that whole being caught with bad wraps in California thing.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt say totally unacceptable. I said unprofessinal and very dissappointing. Plus a bit orrisome considering this ‘wild child’s’ past.
Rios became a true phenomenon and a fully backed one at that when he ’straightened out his oustside life. in ither words, when he could be counted upon to bring it to the ring on a consistent basis.
We know he’s a sort of nutter (outside) but these past two years he’s been maintaining his professionalism where it counts, inside the gym and the ring.
I have a ‘hold my breadth’ attitude with Brandon. I am waiting for buy hoping he doesnt slip opff the rails. I like watching him a lot.
I’d like to be able to count on doing so for som time
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He’s not a lightweight anymore. i really think it’s as simple as that. There was no getting him to 135 here without him being grossly unhealthy.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 2, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Rios will make good use of the 30 or so hours he has to pack the weight back on
I’ll bet HBO shows him to be 150+ tomorrow night.
When the fighters are playing around with big weight cuts like that in the final days before a fight, it can be dangerous for them. There’s an advantage to being a bit heavier, I suppose, but we’ve seen may times that it is not all good in the ring. That’s a major strain on the body so soon before a fight.
Evens things up some.

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