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Alvarez vs Mosley "Doesn't Pass the Smell Test," Says Larry Merchant

Shane Mosley is being considered for a fight with Canelo Alvarez. (Photo by Chris Trotman/Getty Images)

In an interview with Chris Robinson of the Examiner, HBO Sports commentator Larry Merchant says that he's got no desire to see a fight between Canelo Alvarez and 40-year-old Shane Mosley:

"I’m not surprised that he wants to keep fighting. Why would anyone be surprised about an older, aging fighter wanting to keep fighting? ... I am surprised to see his name mentioned for Alvarez, because it doesn’t pass the smell test. Especially since he left Golden Boy to fight Pacquiao. He gave up his interest in Golden Boy. So I’m not sure that would happen."

... "I’ve been the biggest fan of Shane over the years but my attitude about him is the way it is about other once-top fighters who keep going; it’s their right to keep going and it’s my right not to want to see them."

Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KO) has had a rough three years since beating Antonio Margarito in July 2009, as age and reality have set in, and it's worth noting also that this isn't exactly new -- we have not just now seen Shane Mosley decline. Prior to defeating Margarito, Mosley had fought and struggled with a version of Ricardo Mayorga who was also well past his best and brought little to the table.

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It's often easy to forget during a fighter's downtime what they've recently done, so let's seriously go back and look over Mosley's last five fights, dating back to September 2008:

  1. Struggled with Mayorga, winning in dramatic fashion. Some felt he was finally getting too old. Mosley looked inattentive and lost during the fight.
  2. Beat up Margarito, a stunner in the linked recap, less so with hindsight (which by the way, is incredibly valuable). Margarito walked into the ring mentally shell-shocked. Also, Margarito has really not done anything since getting caught with loaded wraps and having Mosley smack him around.
  3. Had a good round against Mayweather. Lost the other 11, and by the latter stages of the fight, looked totally lost -- I mean totally lost, with a blank stare that said it all.
  4. Stunk out the ring and your TV against Sergio Mora, coming out with a draw in one of the worst fights of 2010.
  5. Pacquiao completely dominated him, even with Manny looking a little slowed down himself. Mosley could not pull the trigger, was booed during and after the fight (as was the crappy fight itself), and it was a third straight miserable performance.

These are not new criticisms. After the Mora fight, I said this:

He was jerky offensively, couldn't pull the trigger, and had enormous trouble finding Mora. I kept giving him rounds because at some point, he'd usually land something -- anything -- and that was more than Sergio Mora was doing. Mosley was the aggressor almost every second of this fight.

As a fan, I just don't care to ever see Sergio Mora fight again. Also as a fan, I honestly don't care to ever see Shane Mosley fight again. HBO's Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant were very much pro-Mosley after the fight, hoping to see him in another big fight, and all but openly praying that this draw in this clunker of a boxing match wouldn't ruin that possibility.

I am a huge Shane Mosley fan, and I've got no interest in seeing a visibly worn-out, old, and tired Shane Mosley get in the ring with Andre Berto or Manny Pacquiao or anyone. I know how those fights end at this point, and it's not pretty. Shane Mosley has taken a lot of damage over his Hall of Fame-bound career. The time to get out is now. I don't mean to knock Mora when I say this, but if Shane Mosley can't convince three ringside judges -- no matter their experience level -- that he won a fight with Sergio Mora, it's time to hang it up.

After the Pacquiao debacle, these were my thoughts:

Mosley, on the other hand, was toast and it was clear from the third round on. The first round was close, and I gave Mosley a round later in the fight that Pacquiao coasted through in some respects.

Let me make this clear: Shane Mosley is 39 years old and needs to retire. There is nothing more for this once-great fighter, a very proud man, to accomplish in boxing. After the fight, Mosley was completely in denial about his performance, and still claimed that he can "get in with younger guys and do (his) thing." He quite obviously cannot. He's 0-2-1 in his last three, and while two of those fights came against the two best in boxing, he wasn't close against either of them.

Mosley needing to get out of the game is something I've firmly believed for over a year now. I don't need to see him make jerky motions at Canelo Alvarez to tell you that he can't beat Canelo Alvarez anymore. I didn't need to see Kermit Cintron come put in a non-effort to tell you that he'd go put in a non-effort and get stopped, either.

As for Merchant wondering if it would happen, I say sure it would. Mosley has said recently that Golden Boy has reached out for a Canelo fight; given that Shane has no interest in GBP anymore, he's back to being "just a fighter," and one that I'm sure Golden Boy would have no more problems exploiting than any other promoter might for the right amount of money. Boxing eats its fighters -- Shane Mosley is an expired product who might have a few drops of blood worth of name value left to beat out of him, and if he does, and he wants to fight, someone will find a way to beat it out of him.

Alvarez is due back in the ring on April 21.

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Great Scott! He was right. Why can’t Canelo fight someone real? I’m sorry Mosley, you were my favorite for years and you could have ruled 2009 with an iron fist, but you couldn’t get the fights you wanted… and now it’s 2012, and you shouldn’t be fighting any longer. You are still a gym rat and an ATG, but please stop. Don’t be RJJ. See ya!

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

alvarez should fight kirkland and mosley has to retire… his last fights were terrible, but no surprise me if alvarez choose fight with him because canelo did the same thing when he fought cintron, a boxer who was pitiful in his last fights even so, he chose him…

by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Dec 23, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Canelo looked pretty quick agst Cintron, but still, fight a live body. Vanes, Cotto… even angulo… i have two words: COME ONNNN!!!

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_9zH9Q44o

"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto

by Apprentice on Dec 23, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha… it was Family Guy smoking lobbying episode (hey everyone, if i can’t convince you, I have to words to say: Come onnnn….. Oh he’s got a point… but good one). Hahah nice.

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i think canelo should fight mosley

If he wins then should be forced to fight the winner of kirkland vs molina.

by el javi on Dec 23, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I’m happy to see the article got through to you…

by Sammlung on Dec 23, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

if canelo wants to fight a loser, then he should fight at least angulo..

by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Dec 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

no thats 2 much risk for canelo

From a bussiness stand point mosley is the most money making name out there. Losing to kirkland doesnt make angulo a loser. Kirkland can probably clean out the division

by el javi on Dec 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

oh yeah, and it stinks!

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

From a bussiness stand point mosley is the most money making name out there.

The last time Mosley fought someone who wasn’t an attraction, his fight with Sergio Mora was a flop. Most of that crowd came for Canelo on the undercard. Mosley’s a B-side with no draw power in this fight. Mosley’s value is shot.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what I mean is

Canelo would probably draw the same to fight Mosley that he did to fight Alfonso Gomez.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yes true but

If I’m not mistaken canelo has never been the main event of a PPV. GBP would probably be able to make it into a ppv with the mosley name. I’m not sure if the 4/21 date is set in place for regular hbo.

by el javi on Dec 23, 2011 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If I’m not mistaken canelo has never been the main event of a PPV. GBP would probably be able to make it into a ppv with the mosley name.

Mosley vs Mora was on PPV and tanked. They could sell Canelo on PPV and make a profit any time they want to, by the way. Same with Chavez Jr, which is why Top Rank put him on PPV for years. They didn’t mind – it made money.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

a boxer career is not done if he lose one time, i said loser cause he lost his last fight, generaly a champion must choose a fighter who wins his last match, that is not the case of canelo, he chose cintron instead molina, i don’t know if you get the point, sorry if you don’t, it’s just i’m trying to improve my english…

by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Dec 23, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

no i understand your point

And completly agree. Kirkland n angulo fought an eliminator match. So Canelo should be fighting kirkland but we all knw dat boxing is not that way. Canelo might want to fight the best but there is no way Golden Boy will allow it.

by el javi on Dec 23, 2011 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

El Cierto, your point and english is exactly right…

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 24, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Every once in a while, Merchant gets it exactly right.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 23, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Fewer and farther in between these days. The HBO crew have been getting on my nerves lately, except strangely Steward and KELLERMAN who’s been right on the money lately imo.

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, not often, for sure, but his word above is really exactly right. I’ve always liked Steward, and agree on Kellerman, whom I find obnoxious but correct and perceptive, and more so lately

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 23, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Tarver is the truth!

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 24, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He and Atlas are my faves. But I like Steward too.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 24, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Atlas stands on a construction paper soapbox too much for me, but I prefer him over most when it comes to calling the fight, so long as he can stop pissing and moaning about the ills of boxing while simultaneously leading his one fighter down the path of least resistance.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 24, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m a Borges-ite on Teddy Atlas and Povetkin. What he says is what I think too.
http://thesweetscience.com/news/articles/13856-the-borgies-borges-hands-out-year-end-honors

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Canelo is a joke

and it’s getting old.

Shane Mosley (who I truly love… he was my first fighter) is going to be a complete mess in ten years. Maybe less. I’m very concerned about the state of his brain.

by Lee Payton on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

There’s a good article in the current RING (Jan 2012) about head injuries and dementia. It’s still hard to predict who will develop pugilistic dementia, and the current medical tests are poor predictors.

Terry Norris admitted he had slurred speech, but still passed the scans……..but Dr.Goodman denied his license based on what she heard and saw in the ring…………we need more Goodman’s.

by DPlainview on Dec 23, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm no doctor obviously, but I have been studying this subject quite a bit lately.

And a few things have me worried about Shane.

1. Vernon Forrest gave him a CONCUSSION and he has fought for ten more years, against good fighters. Getting hit in the head after a concussion can be baaaad news. Think of all the rounds of boxing and sparring he’s put in during that time. Even if you don’t get concussed or knocked cold again, the blows add up and can become many “mini-concussions”, as was the case with Chris Benoit’s brain. Concussed and took years of bumps, which messed his brain up horribly.

2. Mosley doesn’t remember half of the Pacquiao fight. He says he “woke up” in the corner late in the fight and asked what round it was.

3. His speech is slurred and has been for awhile now, but I really noticed it for the first time during the Mayweather 24-7. He is noticeably slurring throughout the program, but it is worse when he is dried out after a hard work out or when making weight. So he fought both Manny and Floyd with brain damage that is so severe that it is has affected his speech. That’s just horrible to think about. Even more horrible is the fact that his team went along with those fights. If I noticed, they ABSOLUTELY have. He sounded horrible throughout the Showtime special, too. There is a reason why they ony showed Brother Naazim taking during the pre-fight meeting with the commentators- Shane just made weight and no one woud have been able to understand him. I remember reading a transcript from a conference call and over half of it was “(unintelligible)”

4. He’s been boxing for at least 30 years. How many times has he been hit in the head by good fighters in that time?

I am pretty sure that we are going to hear reports of unusual behavior from Shane in the near future. That makes me sad.

But no one who pulls the strings in this slimy sport gives a damn about anything but money, so this could happen. It is up to the networks to shoot it down, and I think they will.

Canelo should fight someone who can at least talk!! Enough with the premium cable showcases, already.

by Lee Payton on Dec 23, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It bothers me that Brother Naazim continues to train and encourage Mosley. It’s bothered me for awile. He knows better. It’s creepy and it’s wrong.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of feel the same, but also feel that, if Mosley’s going to fight, at least he’s being prepared by a good trainer. Naazim not pulling Shane out against Pacquiao really stunk, but I’d rather Richardson training him than someone totally inept, if you get what I mean.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I do know what you mean—but it still bothers me. He’s also Hopkins’s trainer, surely he sees a difference.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 24, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Is he really though?

I mean, he’s probably more hype than substance, but he’s very young, pretty good and has fought decent competition. Most guys his age and size are still in the amateurs or fighting four rounders. And he did beat the crap out of Rhodes.

People who have him on their pound for pound lists are way overrating him, IMO, but he’s legitimately no worse than top 5 in his weight class, and possibly even number 1. A riskier fight would be nice, but he’s a cash cow. His next fight was going to be Mosley since months ago. It’s the last chance for that payday. The other potential opponents will still be there, and his handlers won’t let him face the guys who might really trouble him stylistically (Lara, Trout, Ishe Smith, Dzinziruk) unless they suddenly build up big names. Everyone else at 154 other than maybe Cotto I’d pick him to beat pretty easily, and he and Cotto will probably never fight until Arum is ready to just cash out on Cotto.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 23, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for this article!! I couldn’t believe the rationalizing I was hearing yesterday about this potential “fight”.

by Sammlung on Dec 23, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I still want to see him against lesser competition.

There are plenty of decent fighters out there that Floyd and Manny will make look like amateurs (example Mayweather-Marquez). Shane is far from his prime years, but I do want to see him against someone lower on the rankings before considering him DOA. He his at the end of his career, but I think his family or trainer should step in, and say nay. I think there’s a story there.

Right now the Mora fight is the only evidence we have that Shane could have trouble against lesser competition. The one thing I do worry about is that he can’t execute his trainer’s commands in the ring. Plus, discrediting the margarito fight to me seems a lil subjective.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Right now the Mora fight is the only evidence we have that Shane could have trouble against lesser competition.

Mayorga, Mora, the nature of his (non-) performances against Mayweather and Pacquaio, his visible loss of speed, inability to execute a gameplan, tendency to run out of gas after a few rounds… oh, and the fact he’s 40 years old. Just to offer you a few pieces of compelling evidence other than the Mora fight that Shane Mosley is a shot, old fighter.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 23, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Clottey had a higher output rate than Mosley, and I’m a clottey fan, but that says a lot. The Mosley from 2007 agst Cotto is no longer. He is no longer a “strong finisher”, and he has no pop or cannot throw combinations after 3-4 rounds. It’s not that he’s no good, it’s that he’s no longer any good.

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again...

Manny and Floyd beat everyone, by that logic Cotto and Marquez should retire. Diminishing skills are nothing new. His skills were diminished against Cotto and Margarito. If we start dissecting wins, losses, and draws we can make cases for any fighter over 30.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Manny and Floyd beat everyone, by that logic Cotto and Marquez should retire.

Do you seriously not have the ability to make a judgment based on the actual performances in the fights? Do you think the W and the L are actually the only thing to take from the whole thing?

Diminishing skills are nothing new. His skills were diminished against Cotto and Margarito.

Ah, yes. He was just totally the same. Right on. You bet.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude...

Yes I can. But it’s totally subjective. It’s funny how a loss to Cotto seemed better than a win against margarito or an old mayorga? I’m just saying its not as concrete as ur making it out to be.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t hide a pitiful argument behind terms such as subjective or concrete. Just doesn’t work.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 23, 2011 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It is what it is...

Two decision losses = a punch or two from being a vegetable. I’m sorry I didn’t get my neurology Phd from YouTube University. C’mon!

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, how about this reason, which is my actual reason: He’s not any fun to watch and he’s not good enough anymore and I don’t want to watch his shitty fights.

If you want to watch shitty fights then great.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I agree with that.

I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt to fight. His fights are shitty and he’s too old to adjust. That I agree with.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said he was a punch or two from being a vegetable? Seriously, the only person here who’s talking rubbish is you.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 23, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

C'mon sir, keep up.

Some commenters we talking about his well being.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m well aware.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 24, 2011 8:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cotto was really his last hurrah

I’m not sure he’s looked really good in a fight for almost a decade other than Cotto and Collazo.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 23, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, an elite fighter beating you is one thing, but HOW he beats you is another. Mosley didn’t throw punches. He’s always been a warrior, and has never backed down, even agst Forrest. So here’s the thing, he’s not throwing only b/c he’s older, he’s not throwing b/c he’s too tired to throw! Should he start fighting 4 rounders and debuters? That’s the only answer I can think of… b/c he nolonger belongs in the ring with Canelo or others that are fighting over a title..

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, a young prospect, or heck, even Chop Chop Corley could beat him, and that’s sad to say (or even Paulie Malignaggi).

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

young 140lb prospect.

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Dec 23, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Chop Chop? nah, I wouldn’t go that far.

by DPlainview on Dec 23, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah he’d beat Chop Chop or Paulie.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno about all that...

After Verron Forrest it was more of a confidence thing, hence his mini resurgence after the Cotto fight.

Plus look at Roy jones jr. and his lost to Antonio tarver. He was never the same.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hence his mini resurgence after the Cotto fight.

WHEN? He fought Mayorga next and SUCKED in the ring. He beat Margarito who was half-there mentally and hasn’t done anything since then either.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Mentally is deabatable for margarito.

Mosely had his confidence then, Mayorga was a gimme. But the second half of the Cotto fight he really let his hands fly. Something he was scared to do since Forrest. And he landed the best on shot on Floyd probably ever and actually hurt him. And a lot of folks game him credit for that despite the following rounds after that. It’s not pretty but at least up until Mora, Mosely had a lil spark left. Now it’s gone. Who knows why he still wants to fight, pride, fear, money who knows…

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, I agree that the Cotto fight was his best showing in years, but I agree with Brick that it was an aberration, and by far the best he’s looked since Vernon.

Who knows why he still wants to fight, pride, fear, money who knows…

Well, given what we know about his absurd divorce settlement, I’m guessing money is a big part of it.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mayweather made Marquez look like the fat blown up featherweight that he was for that fight and not an amateur. Mosley has nothing else to prove, and fighting against lesser competition just puts him at more of a health risk and nothing for his legacy. Mosley is a living legend and should just call it quits.

by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Dec 23, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree to a degree...

I wouldn’t be upset if he retired. I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt. I still put him ahead of Corely and Malignaggi.

But, it’s funny how Mayweather came in 2 lbs over the limit and yet Marquez was the fat one. It’s easy to say that now, since people were worried about Floyd’s prior 2 year layoff to the fight. If the same Marquez that fought Manny this past year, fought Floyd today and lost, there would be some other conveluded excuse why Marquez was “off his game.” I guess Floyd has a talent for catching a lot of fighters on a off day.

by Clove_art on Dec 23, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

he mays be all taht you said, but in this he is completely right… mosley is too old and too burn to fight canelo…

by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Dec 23, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You clearly have never had a senile relative. They have moments of clarity, but not to the degree that Mercant has, badly faded as he may be.

by El Destruyo on Dec 23, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 24, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what I think my biggest issue here is? A lot of this talk is based on Mayorga being an unserviceable, shot fighter who doesn’t belong in the ring. I know he’s a part time fighter. I get that well. I know De La Hoya beat the piss out of him at 154 (which everyone expected) and Trinidad did the same at 160 (which everyone expected). But in losing to Cotto, he gave a much, MUCH better effort than anyone expected. That only led to people saying Cotto was shot too. And yes, he looked very good against Mosley, only for Mosley to demolish Margarito a few months later. Maybe some credit can be handed to Mayorga for those performances instead of constantly being used as evidence that he’s a scrub? If anything, his lack of consistent action has probably saved some modicum of his ability and kept him from being worn out as a competitor at a young age.

Now, to not make this a discussion about Mayorga….I said before I think that Alvarez/Mosley is a wise fight to make should Mosley be willing to get in there. I agree with Scott Christ entirely. He’s a b-side. He’s never been a big name on his own. But he’s a guy, even now, I feel that can help take Alvarez’s profile much higher because even though he’s not a big name or a mega star, he’s been in mega fights with megafighters and is a valued name to casual fans. Would it be better if he cot in the ring with Dzinziruk or Paul Williams or something? Sure. Long term though, I think Mosley is a good fighter to use as a stepping stool with english language fans and maybe drum up some interest in future PPV level fights with the likes of Cotto, any of the welterweights, or Martinez down the line. But I personally don’t see a Mosley fight as being an appreciable step down from, say, a unification bout against K-9.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

BTW, just for the sake of argument, some of you guys should look at the 154lb rankings on Boxrec. Just check out who are the guys among the best in the world presently at that weight:

-a 38 year old K-9 Bundrage, tightly gripping a belt in the hopes it leads to an HBO or Showtime date and a real payday. Not even a sniff of activity outside calling out names on Twitter. He’s #3 in the world. Is Shane Mosley really not as good as K-9? Be honest with yourself.

-Paul Williams is at #4. Besides promotional issues, there’s the very real fact that he hasn’t looked good since Martinez sparked him. You’d be gifting him this fight after the Lara bout.

-James Kirkland is at #6. Not a bad fighter. But would it surprise you if Alvarez torched him in one round? Seems like a horrible style matchup to me.

-Austin Trout is at #7. He’s beaten NOBODY.

-Antonio Margarito, who Mosley battered brutally and hasn’t looked good in years and never looked good at 154 even when he was “good” is at #11. 11!

-Zaurbek Baysangurov’s title belt doesn’t get him above #17. Probably because K-9 KOed him. Is he really a guy you want to see with Saul Alvarez?

In a perfect world, 154 is a great, deep weight class and Saul Alvarez has far better options afforded to him than Shane Mosley. It doesn’t. It blows, guys. Mosley is then one of the biggest and frighteningly best fights out there for him unless someone is willing to move up from 147. In case no one’s noticed there, 147 doesn’t have that kind of talent, particularly with bigger welterweights.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 23, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

BoxRec’s rankings suck. They’ve got Antonio Tarver as the #2 cruiserweight in the world behind … Yoan Pablo Hernandez.

Also you just named six guys I’d rather see Canelo fight than Shane Mosley, because Shane Mosley sucks, guys.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to believe they’re all better fighters than Mosley, but honestly man – I can’t. These guys are no good. Even using your rankings as a guide, Trout’s even higher (and still lacks a credible win against ANYONE AT ALL), while the top ten is rounded out with guys like Delvin Rodriguez and K-9.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 24, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, and I don’t mean this to sound insulting, it sounds more like you want to believe that Shane Mosley is Shane Mosley instead of a wheezing 40-year-old has-been with no stamina and a huge trigger issue. Take his name away. What do you see?

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by Scott Christ on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

A guy who’s undersized and drew with Sergio Mora but has a name and a signature win in the last 3 years. Dude, I totally agree in practice. For Mosley’s own good, he should walk away and go do something else, anything else, with his life. The problem is that the most of these dudes are impossibly worse or have done ziltch, and he doesn’t have anything else that he can do to make this kind of money. And so I’m not terribly against it given Alvarez’s activity level and all that.

by VirtualBalboa on Dec 24, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we’re not as far off here as it may seem I guess – I don’t care that he fights if he can pass physicals and all that. It’s his life. I’ve long since grown tired of trying to parent boxers with my finger wags and “aw jeez no” stuff, because it amounts to nothing and it’s their job and all that. I just don’t want to see him fight anymore because I think he’s really bad now. Mosley and Cintron should have a loser leaves town match. On UStream PPV.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 25, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the major issue with Trout is nobody really wants to fight the guy. Have you heard anyone call out Trout?

Canelo’s team wouldn’t go near him.

by DPlainview on Dec 24, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest issue he has is that Greg Cohen is his promoter. Cohen does the best he can, but it’s not easy to get ahead with a small promoter. Mike Jones basically did nothing until Top Rank started co-promoting him. I really feel for the small promoters, because they honestly try harder in a lot of cases, but they’re fighting a war they can’t win.

Have you heard anyone call out Trout?

Anthony Mundine, but Trout said “OK,” and was ready to go to Australia, and then Mundine backed out and kept pretending it wasn’t him. IT NEVER IS.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 25, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about Mayorga

Canelo should fight someone who can:

A. Talk without slurring his words
B. Actually hit him back

Until then, he’s a toy.

by Lee Payton on Dec 24, 2011 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

Mosley

I don’t care if this is the “right” fight to make, or if Mosley “should” retire. Saul Alvarez is not PBF or Manny, frankly, he isn’t even close. Hell, if you were to look at him with any type of hindsight, he doesn’t even match up to the skill level of Mora.

Seriously, Canelo beats up Ryan Rhodes, has trouble with Gomez before getting a very questionable stoppage, then beats up a Kermit Cintron who looked like shit against Antwone Smith 3 months prior. And he’s gonna crush Mosley? Why? Because Mosley looked like shit against Mayweather and Pac man? Or because he got jobbed for a draw against Mora and it was a boring fight. The list of fighters to “look good” against Manny and Floyd at 140 and above is pretty minuscule. Hell even the guys who beat Mora didn’t look very good against him.

Sure, Mosley is past his prime. Yes, he’s starting to seem punchy in interviews. However, lots of fighters compete beyond their prime years, and if we want Mosley to stop fighting “for his own good” then we should want half the sport reformed. It’s not going to happen.

Bottom line: If Shane Mosley wants to fight still, and if Golden Boy wants to put him up against Alvarez next I’m completely fine with it (as virtual Balboa pointed out above, 154 isn’t exactly a deep class for challengers) . I’d even look forward to the match up. Hell if the odds started to swell for Mosley I would even drop some money on him. Canelo was easily hit by Jose Miguel Cotto just last year. Shane would have a much easier time letting his hands go against the red mexican.

Side note: For anybody who thinks James Kirkland is a lot better of a challenger, you do realize he’s the same guy that was KO’d by non-puncher Nishioka earlier this year. And at age 27, his speech is already seriously slower than it was at the beginning of his career, plus he is starting to develop a slight slur.

by edub001 on Dec 24, 2011 4:43 AM EST reply actions  

Kirkland’s diction has always been . . . soft. He’s always mumbled. Not a great talker at all, no disrespect to him.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 24, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell, if you were to look at him with any type of hindsight, he doesn’t even match up to the skill level of Mora.

Yes he does. Mora lost to Brian Vera.

Shane would have a much easier time letting his hands go against the red mexican.

Yeah and Cintron was going to show his power and expose Canelo’s leaky defense, too. Unfortunately Cintron is Cintron and Mosley is Mosley. Enjoy!!

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by Scott Christ on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats Ishida. Noshioka is the 122lb. king.

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by cylee1180 on Dec 24, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mosley is toast and should retire. And I say this as a fan. He has shown ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in his last 3 fights, and just before that, he beat a mentally not there Margarito. Big deal. That’s all the good you’ve seen from Shane in the past 3 years. I think people defending this possible fight are seeing it based on Shane’s skills from 5+ years ago. Canelo’s not the greatest and I’m no fan, but Shane would get sparked by Canelo. And yes, this fight is comparable to Cintron/Canelo in every way. Young star in the making vs. faded, diminished skills big name veteran who people falsely think has a shot to expose the kid. I don’t see it happening, just as it didn’t happen for Cintron. Stay away Shane. Not to defend him at all, but at least RJJ is fighting bums. Shane trying to go at top level competition? Not good for long term health. Do what’s best for your well being Shane.

by KidSleez on Dec 24, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

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