Jose Sulaiman Says Chavez-Rubio Not Approved Yet
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 AM EST
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In a weird bit of news today, Jose Sulaiman posted on Boxing Scene that the WBC hadn't received a formal petition for the fight between Marco Antonio Rubio and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
"The governing WBC Rules and Regulations require a written formal petition for the sanctioning of any official WBC bout before a formal announcement takes place and ticket sales start. As of this date, the WBC has not received any communication from any promoter concerning a Chavez versus Rubio fight. The WBC therefore does not endorse and disapproves any public announcement or ticket sales suggesting that the WBC has sanctioned the fight, or using the WBC name or trademarks until there is full compliance with the WBC Rules and Regulations."
It seems that this would be just a formality, but then why put out a very public statement denouncing the promoters of the fight? The WBC is not allergic to money and they will definitely approve of this fight, even if Sergio Martinez and Lou DiBella have big issues with the matchup. Maybe Jose got angry at the official fight poster which features the words "World Midldeweight Championship" on it and felt it necessary to admonish Bob Arum and Top Rank. Yet the WBC's name does not appear on the poster at all, so I wouldn't think that anyone would mistakenly think that the WBC was sponsoring the main event. Again this whole situation is simply strange.
I don't think that the WBC would ever not approve of a fight between Rubio and Chavez Jr, because there is too much money on the line for the WBC. Also it is in their best interests financially to keep Chavez Jr. happy so he keeps defending his title and keeps generating hefty sanctioning fees. This really is just something that is strange, which I guess is business as usual for the WBC. It's been a strange week for the WBC...
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You know, sometimes I think at 22 I’m too young for a boxing fan. I missed out on the glory years. I’ll never see Frazier Ali live on TV. Then, I think hey, these annoying bastards will retire eventually. Imagine how awesome this sport would be if arum sulaiman king and every tuird from Sauerland was sitting on an island in the Caribbean keeping their grubby little fingers out of this sport.
Nothing wrong with that.
No other sports have promoters. And frankly if other combat sports, (ex. UFC) can function with out them so can boxing. Back in the good old days, good fights meant good money. Now it’s see how many fighters you keep in your pocket and have them fight each other, so the majority of the money goes to u. It’s all bullshit and it’s all about money. And it’s very transparent.
Dammit, son.....Can you at least read before you speak
In the 1920s, the best boxing promoters and managers were instrumental in
bringing boxing to new audiences and provoking media and public interest.
Arguably the most famous of all three-way partnerships (fighter-manager-promoter) was that of Jack Dempsey (Heavyweight Champion, 1919–1926), his manager Jack Kearns, and Rickard as promoter.
Together they grossed US$ 8.4 million in only five fights between 1921 and 1927 and ushered in a “golden age” of popularity for professional boxing in the 1920s.
They were also responsible for the first live radio broadcast of a title-fight (Dempsey v. Georges Carpentier in 1921).
In the modern good old days, Ali, Frazier, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Oscar, Tyson all had promoters.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Oh bravo bravo!
I did say good fights meant good money back then. I know fighters still had protmers in those days.
But what the fuck does that have to do with Sergio Martinez getting ducked by top rank? Why does Arum have shitty relationship with former boxers and other promoters? why does Manny Pacquiao fight fighters over 30 with average defensive skills? Why does Margarito get a title shot after a two year suspension for loaded gloves? Why does Floyd Mayweather gets sued for mentioning steroids, but Arum can call him scared? And why does your TR propaganda bullshit never gets through to anyone on this site? And what does all that have to do with promoters from the 1920s?
You avoided answering my response
Because you understand Jack Squat about the business of boxing. You have proven it over and over.
BTW, The editor here gets it.
Ask him who does the best job these days.
And BTW…. I dont give a crap about haters who blame winners as a default reaction. I lived in NYC long enough to know that most people hate winners…and I can smell a hater from a mile away.
Sergio is getting ducked because he is fighting at a weight where name entertainers like Manny (144), Floyd (147) Alvarez (154), Cotto and Chavez dont need him.
That may suck but he can do always what Paul Williams did in giving him the opportinity to be a star….and move up if he feels avoided.
Or he could order DiBella to get a strategic alliance witha bigger agency and get him some better fights.
He isnt helpless. He is just choosing to complain instead of doiung something constructive.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
You still didn't answer my question...
I have nothing against TR except for the results. Sergio has a right to complain but like you said… he needs a promoter. There are other fighters outside of Manny and Floyd for him to fight. And Chavez is just a name, soon Chavez will want more money and he will have to make that leep to higher competition. And Chavez was a mandatory opponent for Sergio.
Chavez is protected, everyone can see that. And the sad thing is that Sergio has integrity. He can talk his way to a fight, like David Haye or Amir Khan, but he won’t. And maybe he’s trying now.
I never claimed to be a business expert, but the shadiness is transparent. If I’m that much ill-informed then stop commenting on my comments.
BTW, The editor here gets it.
Ask him who does the best job these days.
I think most people are in agreement that Top Rank are the best promoters.
But they have the potential to be so much more.
To give the fans so much more.
You don’t ever mention that though do you? Consider that a respone to your anwser on the other thread too
by Sweet science on Dec 30, 2011 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
Of course I expect more. And want it
I am always asking and offering my opinion…not that they care. lol
But I have a lot to learn by listening and watching boxing men do their business. I find it fascinating.
As to giving more, this sport is set up poorly with everyone in it for the Benjamins. When that is the dynamic, I watch to see who plays their cards the best.
I can tell you that TR takes a lot of pride in the fight night shows themselves. The live experience.
They also a light years ahead on web presence, live steaming and social media. Al critical in expanding the brand of Boxing in todays world.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Parkin – I agree with a lot of what you stated except as to Sergio’s. Can you explain how being with a bigger agency would help get better fights? Seems to make sense on first glance, but then consider why would Arum want to match him with Chavez Jr. or Cotto just because he is with Top Rank? I imagine he can still get Kirkland now while Kirkland is at GB and there is no way Canelo is being matched with Martinez for a long while if his next opponent is rumored to SSM…What other big names are at or around that weight class where it would make sense to pit them against Martinez? For the purposes of this discussion, there’s really just five big money opponents in boxing outside of Europe and Canada: Canelo, Chavez Jr., Cotto, Pacquiao or Mayweather. Am I missing anyone? Frankly, Sergio needs to move on, which it appears he is doing by dumping the DIamond Belt and moving to Showtime.
I cant say for sure but I'll give it a shot
First of all, a talent must look at all the of the components of his team (promoter, manager, trainer, etc) and most of all himself and evaluate his satisfaction with his status. If he believes that everyone is doing their respective jobs and he is still getting shafted, he still has a problem. He has the option of doing nothing and maintaing the status quo…or shaking things up in order to change them.
I put a lot of stock in the individual and thus consider him responsible to a large extent for his status. If he is bound to a poor contract, I truly sympathize. That is unfortunate. If he is not, he has to ask himself what he can do to change things around.
I guess alternatively he can simply concede to larger forces and stick…but that does not seem to comport with Sergio’s “I am blaming everyone in boxing” position.
You asked:
Why would Arum want to match him with Chavez Jr. or Cotto just because he is with Top Rank
My answer would be money. If Martinez alone and/or together with DiBella went to TR and and said he would fight ‘in-house’, the financial dynamics would clearly shift. A Cotto/Martinez fight, assuming the money was right for Cotto, would suddenly be more attractive to TR. So might Chavez, again assuming the money is really right.
Cotto is not afraid to fight anyone based on his record and I doubt TR thinks his days as a premier fighter are so much longer that they would ‘protect’ him from a fight that he wanted and found attractive.
Chavez is another story. I have consistently saidd he is an ‘entertainer’ not a world champion. He is a live act witha huge name. That is something that may indeed need protecting as it is obvious to all that his name is greater than his current skills.
I can’t say for sure that Golden Boy would give Martinez Canelo yet but I would hope that if Sergio created a strategic alliance with GB, he would by contract assert his demand that that fight…and Kirkland…be part of his ‘package’.
Bigger agencies have more options, more money, more connections and thus mor opportunities to showcase their talent. That is simply a fact.
Frankly, it sucks not being number one or two.
See Warren Buffett on that subject.
Sergio is going no where and must change something as he is not getting younger.
It is his call but if he sticks and nothing happens, he soon becomes tomorrow’s news.
Time waits for no man.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Read this for some insights
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/the-mandate
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Frazier-Ali was not LIVE on TV. It was live on closed circuit. Dana White may have kept saying it was live on ABC, but it wasn’t.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is actually a great urban myth about a lot of big fights. A lot of people think that EVERY big fight from the 1980s and earlier was on totally free television but that simply is not true. Many were on closed circuit only.
by Kory Kitchen on Dec 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the biggest were on Closed Circuit
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Be interesting to see what the proposed weight would be. Ward fought at light heavy early in his career so I can’t imagine him being crazy about moving down much.
by Kory Kitchen on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Update on Ward
Ward says bring it on and Goossen wants to make it happen. That should get interesting.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
very intriguing fight. Ward takes Sergio, I think.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
$10 says it doesn't get interesting
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ward will breal Martinez down methodically IMO.
I have always believed that with his hands held low, he has always been there to be beaten.
His biggest wins were with PW and Pavlik, two others that gave away all their own physical advantages; one his height the other his conditioning.
William is tall but leans in and thus fights short.
Pavlik drinks/drank between fights.
Ward gives no quarter. I believe he ends the Martinez run.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
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