Antonio Margarito's Next Fight: Faded Tough Guy Has Limited Options, But What's Left?
Antonio Margarito's questionable, surgically repaired right eye is officially a target.
Miguel Cotto beat it up last night at Madison Square Garden, connecting with 86 punches to that side of Margarito's face last night, cutting the eye and swelling it shut, earning a doctor stoppage victory after nine rounds.
We've certainly seen eyes in worse shape, with fights allowed to continue. The same referee, Steve Smoger, and a New York doctor allowed Pawel Wolak to fight through a grotesque hematoma on July 15 in Wolak's first fight with Delvin Rodriguez. And, of course, last November in Texas, Margarito finished a fight with a complete crushed orbital bone against Manny Pacquiao.
Margarito (38-8, 27 KO) didn't want the fight stopped last night. Smoger didn't want the fight stopped, almost apologizing to Margarito for having to follow the doctor's instructions to stop the fight.
[ Related: Cotto Stops Margarito at MSG ]
It's easy to understand the idea that the fight should have played out over the remaining three rounds. But if Margarito couldn't see, then by the books, the fight had to be stopped. And it was.
But there was a lot more to last night's fight than Margarito's eye, and little of it is good for Margarito's future in boxing.
Last night at Madison Square Garden, we saw a defiant, cocky Margarito lose badly to Miguel Cotto. The fight really wasn't close, and though Margarito feels he was hurting Cotto when he was connecting, he wasn't connecting with nearly enough frequency to likely do the necessary damage in the remaining rounds that he would have needed to stop Cotto and defeat him again.
He can shout, "Woooo!" as many times as he wants. Margarito was getting lit up in there.
It's not all on the eye, although Cotto putting a bullseye on it and connecting repeatedly didn't help.
Antonio Margarito is 33 years old now, turning 34 in March. And no matter what he says, he is not close to the same fighter he was in July 2008.
For one thing, Margarito doesn't appear to have the same punching power. Whatever your theories about that are, he's not the same puncher he used to be. Maybe it's the hand wraps stuff. Maybe it's that he moved up in weight. Maybe it's simply that he's even slower than he used to be, and doesn't connect enough for his shots to do the cumulative damage over the course of a fight that they used to.
Margarito's hands were, of course, never fast, and nor was he nimble. Like his hands, his feet have become even more plodding and predictable, and he doesn't stalk the way he used to, more follows his opponent and hopes they'll be where he needs them to be at some point. Cotto was able to easily slip Margarito at various points, turn him around, and cut off his offense. Cotto rarely was caught on the ropes in the fight -- in fact, Margarito found himself back to the ropes more often than did the Puerto Rican.
At his best, Margarito was probably a B+ fighter, but a special sort whose toughness and determination made him a threat to just about anyone he did face, or could have faced but did not for various political reasons. At one time, he was a top fighter.
Those days are gone. Margarito is now a five dressed up as a nine, and his days of major pay-per-view main events likely came to a one-sided end in New York. But he's still incredibly tough, and will walk through shots with one or two good eyes to keep coming forward.
So what's left for Margarito? As long as he doesn't retire, and I can't imagine that he will, he will find fights. They may not come in New York again, or in another state with a tougher commission like Nevada, and certainly California will never bend because there's no way for them to look good letting him fight in the state. But we know other states will license Margarito, including Texas, and he can always fight in Mexico.
Here are three potential Margarito opponents. (And just in case anyone wonders, and I don't imagine many of you do, but someone probably does: There will never be another Cotto vs Margarito fight.)
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
Though Arum is saying that he wants to match Cotto and Chavez (44-0-1, 31 KO) in New York, that's entirely up to Cotto, and frankly if Miguel looks at the kid who walks into the ring at 180-185 pounds and says, "You know, Bob, I think he's just too big for me," I don't think we could really blame him. Chavez is a big middleweight, Cotto a tiny junior middleweight.
[ Related: Chavez Stays Unbeaten, Stops Manfredo ]
Chavez vs Margarito would be a natural fit after that. He's washed up and doesn't appear too dangerous anymore, so that's a plus in the way Chavez is usually matched. For money fights, Antonio's not going to have a ton out there coming to him. This may be the biggest he could get. If Cotto doesn't want to fight Chavez, then Margarito could get the call.
Joshua Clottey
[ Related: Clottey Returns to Action With Win ]
Clottey (36-4, 21 KO) is back in the ring as of November 19, and competing as a junior middleweight going forward. He would love the chance to avenge his 2006 loss to Margarito, and I'm sure Antonio would fight him again. The biggest problem here would be finding TV to support the purses of the fighters. I really don't see HBO buying this one unless it's a co-feature to a very good main event, or unless it's on an undercard of an HBO PPV show out of Texas. If Arum took it to pay-per-view as a main event, I'm not sure it would have a lot of interest, even enough to make it worthwhile.
Pawel Wolak
[ Related: Wolak Loses to Rodriguez in Rematch ]
They both lost last night, but also both proved they're two of the toughest guys in the sport. A fight between the two would be head-to-head mayhem. Again, it's an issue of where you put the fight, but I can't imagine either balking at the idea, and this one might actually be worth a Top Rank PPV, since Wolak doesn't have Clottey's ill-placed ego when it comes to money.
Obviously there are more possibilities out there, but unless Margarito is ready to take a major cut (and I mean major), they all have big question marks. He can't make 147 anymore, so moving back down all the way is probably out of the question. Top Rank doesn't have a ton of in-house guys at 154 or 160. And affording a Margarito fight without the luxury of HBO assistance isn't going to be easy.
It might be wise to look for Margarito to take a tune-up or bounce-back fight in Mexico next, similar to his 2010 fight with Roberto Garcia. Given his health, even that would be a risk, since anyone decent is going to target that eye from now on, but the options aren't great right now, or at least don't appear to be.
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Just a great great write up Scott
At his best, Margarito was probably a B+ fighter, but a special sort whose toughness and determination made him a threat to just about anyone he did face, or could have faced but did not for various political reasons. At one time, he was a top fighter.
With a Triple AAA heart and the determination of a true fighter
Talent is very often deeply overrrated. What one does with it is, in the end, what really matters.
Tony took what he was given and he gave it all.
Every round of every fight.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Took what he was given, threw a little something more into the mix, and gave it his all.
by tkeithwhite on Dec 4, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And fought everyone that was ever put in front of him.
Even offered Floyd a fortune at that time to fight. But floyd chose the far more dangerous Baldomir. While margarito went on to fight Williams, Clottey and Cotto, three of the divisions elite.
Note the difference.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Maybe Floyd would have been emboldened if he were wrapping his hands in plaster.
by Tysox88 on Dec 4, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And fought everyone that was ever put in front of him.
Is this meant to be a legitimate excuse for putting plaster in his wraps? Like, kudos to Margarito for fighting top guys, but every one of those fights is now shrouded in doubt. So woop, he fought everyone, but oops, he did it with plaster.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Dec 4, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
When you can refute three state commssions
And show me proof. I’m listening.
Margarito fought how many times? In how many states? Against how many elite opponents…..with elite trainers/corners? Over how many years?
Unless every state commissioner, every state licensed inspector, every opponent’s trainer and/or corner, failed to do their job, let alone their due diligence…and thus failed to find anything to remotely suggest wrongdoing, that must leave only you, the all-seeing, all-knowing, sage of Bad Left Hook, to be the definitive word on this subject.
Thank goodness Boxing has your vaunted expertise. And absolute certainty.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
every one of those fights is now shrouded in doubt
Heyyyyyyyy now.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Dec 4, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
He was caught once, and blamed his trainer. 100% certainty there. Now go stand up for Sandusky.
by Polish Rifle on Dec 4, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are a fool
For bringing up Sandusky.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And then cheated dangerously by adding concrete.
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He's not a true fighter
True fighters don’t put plaster on their wraps.
by Patrick L. Stumberg on Dec 4, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
But if Margarito couldn’t see, then by the books, the fight had to be stopped.
i don’t understand what the actual rules are.
wolak’s eye was obviously closed in his first fight with rodriguez for the last few rounds. same with morales in his maidana fight for practically the whole fight.
i’m guessing different athletic commissions have different rules. ultimately, is it up to the discretion of the doctor/ref?
NY had the Wolak-Rodriguez fight too.
Ultimately it’s up to the doctor and referee. But an eye you can’t see out of is, in black-and-white terms, a stoppage. Doesn’t always happen that way. Boxing is rarely black-and-white. It’s a big grey sport.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 4, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The stoppage was the right one last night
But it could just have easily been continued.
There is rarely consistency and/or continuity between fights, referees, commissions in this highly subjective ….dark and mysterious… sport.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Honestly, I agree with you. But I think yesterday’s stoppage was the right decision. If they had made the right decision in Texas, maybe Margarito wouldn’t have this problem in the eye now. It is precisely because Texas allowed Margarito’s eye to be beaten to a pulp why he has the problems that will now continue to hunt him.
"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto
When you have a Margarito, a Frazier, a LaMotta type in your charge, I can only imagine stopping them being a very very difficult thing to do (as a trainer).
The referree however can do so. And the decision last night IMO was a relatively easy one to make.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I know, but I actually meant the refs and doctors down there in Texas. I mean, sure, Garcia could’ve done so too, but I think it was more difficult for him to do so. But that’s why there are doctors and refs.
"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto
Yeah. The officials are there to make the tough calls that macho guys like Garcia and Margarito won’t.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Although SS didn't seem to know how to do it.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
After a Clottey rematch and loss, perhaps we can dig up a few more fighters Margarito defeated (anyone seen Golden Johnson) and let them beat Margarito too. It’s like the polar opposite of your standard farewell tour.
You mean like if Richard Nixon had run for state office after 1974? lol
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Well, Kermit Cintron would still probably lose again.
"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto
Cintron goes down when Margarito smiles and shouts “Wooo!”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
It's not like Margo is on the bread line.
"Boxing is the red light district of sports."
—Jimmy Cannon
Feb. 18's certainly too quick a turnaround
and I’ve got no idea of how the money works, so I can dream…but Wolak-Margarito & Kirkland-Rodriguez sounds like a decent Saturday night on HBO.
As with any number of fighters
the best
advice would probably involve a cold beer and a beach chair—
How many more damaging fights does he need to be in? Answer: None. But… .
Also can’t see Marg retiring……….he’s a warrior, and boxing is his life.
Thinking Canelo or Chavez in Mexico, or maybe even Kirkland if he can pick up a title.
Thinking Canelo or Chavez in Mexico, or maybe even Kirkland if he can pick up a title.
Two of those aren’t happening unless Margarito and Top Rank part ways.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
That leaves Junior, who sadly from the perspective of hating to watch any fighter (in this case Margarito) die younger than necessary, could use the name Margarito on his already padded record. It would look good.
And I dont think Marg poses that much risk. In fact, It would probably even be a fun fight.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think either one of them would make for a fun fight against Chavez, and I’d pick Chavez against either one of them. I don’t think either can hurt Julio.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
bounce-back fight in Mexico:
Nobuhiro Ishida, who has been fighting there. Actually, might not be a bounce-back. Could be a good fight.
The one guy we aren’t talking about though: Vanes Martirosyan. He needs a marquee name on his record or two to really generate press. I think Margarito is PERFECT for him; right promoter, gives Margarito a shot at a guy who went to war with Kassim Ouma, which would indicate that stylistically it might be a good fight for him, and could easily get an OK from HBO.
I’m starting to doubt Martirosyan’s desire to step up, but then maybe they’d see Margarito as so shot that it really isn’t a step up.
Don’t be so sure about Margarito getting the OK from HBO anymore, though, and they’ve never shown interest in Martirosyan except that time they bought his stinker with Joe Greene.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
but AM vs Vanes could be part of a Latin Fury revival
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
You could probably still go to Showtime and sell the fight. Or go to a Latin Fury PPV card. Or hell, NBC Sports through Main Events. Maybe even see if you can get ESPN to take it. I have to imagine that Vanes’ people would look at Margarito as a potentially easy mark with a lot of upside. I mentioned the Ouma fight as a warning to it, but Ouma came into that fight very live and focused, which is a rarity for a dude who’s house I imagine looks like a scene from a Cheech and Chong movie. And Margarito frankly never even had the success Ouma had at 154, and may be even more “washed up” than Ouma was at any given point.
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 4, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Of the fights you propose
I like Wolak best.

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