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Mandatory Eight Count: Maidana Goes to Nacho, Floyd Goes to Twitter

Maidana vs Morales: Marcos Starts Training With Nacho (BoxingScene.com/notifight.com)
Marcos Maidana is officially in camp for his April 9 fight with Erik Morales, and that camp is in Mexico with new lead trainer Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain. The hiring of Beristain is a big move for Maidana, but you never really know if a fighter-trainer relationship will work until you see it tested. Morales might not be that test.

Floyd Mayweather is still jabbing (but won't fight) Manny Pacquiao (ESPN)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. took to his Twitter account to post videos of Manny Pacquiao's three losses, seriously somehow believing that these losses really matter to anyone but him and his most ignorant, stooge-like fans. Enjoy Twitter, Floyd. The rest of us will actually watch boxing. Mayweather is coming off like a petty, jealous child. The fight is his any time he wants it. But Floyd is content to let Rustico Torrecampo and a 17-year-old Pacquiao speak for him.

Boxer Nonito Donaire is big favorite Saturday (San Francisco Chronicle)
Puff piece for Nonito Donaire, but includes a quote with Fernando Montiel expecting a rematch, which I am certain would require him to win. If Donaire wins, he'll move up again, or at least that's the working idea.

Vikings DE Edwards will turn to boxing if players locked out (Sporting News)
26-year-old Minnesota Vikings defensive end Ray Edwards (6'5", 268) says he's serious that he'll give professional boxing a try if the NFL winds up with a lockout next season. Edwards has been noted many times in the past for using boxing workouts to improve his hands in an effort to shed blocks.

A Numbers Game? Assessing Boxing’s Place In The Statistical Revolution (The Sweet Science)
Eric Raskin talks to the folks at CompuBox about statistics in boxing. Of course it comes back to "math geeks" and seeing with your eyes, which would annoy me if it were baseball, but it's not, and I agree with Raskin that boxing simply does not really lend itself to numbers. It really is a sport where the best analysis is what you see, which puts it in a minority, frankly.

Q&A: Glen Hamada (fightnews.com)
Fightnews.com asks judge Glen Hamada some great questions, and Mr. Hamada gives some of the worst and most boring answers in the history of time. Hamada offers great insights on many of your favorites, including Ike Ibeabuchi ("It's too bad he was incarcerated during the peak of his career"), Michael Nunn ("He later fought James Toney and was KO'd ending his reign as the middleweight champion"), Tyson-Douglas ("Mike Tyson is KO'd by Buster Douglas against heavy odds"), Tszyu-Judah ("The fight did not last very long"), and MORE!

55-year-old boxer's quest comes to an end at Notre Dame (wsbt.com)
Here's some boxing news from MY neck of the woods. The Bengal Bouts are pretty famous in the area, and it's a good story. Most of you won't care, but a few of you might.

Anthony Mundine and Garth Wood set for rematch (Sydney Morning Herald)
I wish this wasn't going to happen, because I like making fun of Anthony Mundine as much as anyone, and unless he's completely shot physically and/or mentally, chances are he's going to be legitimately focused for this fight and shred Garth Wood, who in terms of skill is not near Mundine's class. This rematch also smells funny, but I'll avoid going into a whole conspiracy theorist spiel about it, so use your imaginations.

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God knows why, but i still believe Floyd v Pac will happen.

What’s up with Dan Rafael, he seems to be straight out hating boxers alot more.

by properdave on Feb 15, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

His ire has been growing steadily for some time now

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

www.badlefthook.com

by Drunken cutman on Feb 15, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Curious about this Rafael reference

I like him fine, but haven’t been reading him much lately. Where should I look for this ire he’s showing, any special article?
Don’t understand hating the boxers instead of the promoters.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Feb 16, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He seems fine in tv interviews, but espn article and twitter can get a little heated from time to time.

by properdave on Feb 16, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

His chats especially

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Feb 16, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I have stopped visiting his chats altogether. I used to like him, but as time passes I respect his analysis less and less. Plus, now he seems really sour. He will ignore perfectly good questions and answer others with no effort or insults even. Though I did enjoy his Twitters while watching the Strikeforce card the other day hehe.

Steve Addazio is gone! Thank you Temple!!!!
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.

by Apprentice on Feb 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I always wonder how amazing heavyweight boxing would be without all of the A+ athletes of that size in the NFL and NBA.

by KyleAskine on Feb 15, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Depends on how well all of them can box.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Feb 15, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Made me chuckle

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

www.badlefthook.com

by Drunken cutman on Feb 15, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

Is anyone still a fan of Mayweather? Based solely on boxing he is class A but he is a very hateable knuckle head.

by glatin1982 on Feb 16, 2011 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Rec'd

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Feb 16, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

On numbers

As someone who has made quite a bit of money in vegas gambling on football based on numbers and in fact basically supported myself for a while doing it (if you want this to work you need to roll your own as a football is a notoriously numbers unfriendly sport – DVOA etc. arent’ very good and are not profitable no matter what football outsiders tells you) boxing at this point I have not seen considerable evidence that boxing can be predicted well. Boxrecs rankings or IBO’s ranking with an aging table would be a reasonable starting point, and they appear unprofitable at this point. If they add force of hits as discussed in that article and track more fights we might be getting somewhere, but compubox right now a) doesn’t track enough fights and b) appears largely irrelavent to who wins anyways. In football for instance the college national title game (auburn -1 seriously?? seriously??) was an obvious blown line according to any worthwhile simulator.
Right now you face insufficient statistics and not very good statistics. In summary, I’m with Brick, perceive with your eyes. Bear in mind this is for Vegas odds I’m talking (you need to get a weighted 55% winning percentage), and I’m not convinced there are many obvious blunders being made now by the books that would make it profitable.

by journeyintosound on Feb 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

The one statistic I'd like to see

Is something that measures strength of schedule, sort of like how NCAA strength of schedule is calculated (25% weight to your opponents’ record, 50% weight to their opponents’ records, 25% weight to their opponents’ records). It wouldn’t be tough to do if you set up the right algorithm and Boxrec gave you access to their stats, but I just don’t have the actual expertise to set that up.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Feb 17, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Floyd!

Tweet this! Fucking child.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently

word is that Maidana got to Mexico, and then got turned away by Nacho because Juan Manuel Marquez threw a fit that Nacho was going to train him. If true, crappy move by JMM and Beristain.

http://www.boxingscene.com/marquez-forces-nachos-hand-beristain-dumps-maidana—36012

by The Boxer Rebellion on Feb 16, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Uncool handling at best, if true

insofar as JMM expects to face MM at some point, whether realistically or not, I can see his dismay however.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Feb 16, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I can definitely see JMM not wanting Nacho to train Maidana, and I can definitely understand Nacho refusing to do so on that account. But don’t agree to train the guy, make him fly out to Mexico for the camp, and then tell him you aren’t going to do it. That’s totally ridiculous.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Feb 16, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I do agree with you absolutely,

just saying I don’t think JMM is being a prima donna. It should never have gone down that way for Maidana, very uncool, unprofessional behavior by Beristain.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Feb 16, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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