Pascal-Hopkins II, Dawson Comeback Close for May
by Scott Christ on Feb 8, 2011 5:36 PM EST
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Doug Fischer of The Ring reports today that a May date is close for a rematch between world light heavyweight champion Jean Pascal and the legendary Bernard Hopkins, and the HBO-televised event would also feature Chad Dawson in a co-feature bout.
Pascal (26-1-1, 16 KO) and Hopkins (51-5-2, 32 KO) went to a controversial draw in Quebec City in December, a fight that Showtime televised after there was no open date on HBO for that late in the year. Pascal's biggest win came last August over Chad Dawson, netting him the vacant Ring Magazine light heavyweight championship of the world in a pretty big upset. That fight was on HBO, who have invested time and money into the career of Dawson. It seems that either HBO didn't lack interest in Pascal-Hopkins as some suspected, but simply didn't have a date, or they're now feeling the pressure of Showtime's power plays and are looking to grab as many marquee fights as they can. There's also talk of HBO picking up the April 30 fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora, which would mark the first Klitschko brothers fight on American television since Vitali's December 2009 win over Kevin Johnson, which aired on HBO on tape delay.
This also clears up a lot of the speculation going on with the three fighters. The WBC ordered a Pascal-Hopkins rematch, while Dawson and promoter Gary Shaw seemed adamant about enforcing the contractual rematch clause they had with Pascal. If it all goes through as it seems is the case right now, Dawson (29-1, 17 KO) would face either Adrian Diaconu (27-2, 15 KO) or Librado Andrade (29-3, 22 KO), with the winners of the two fights meeting later in the year.
Despite the controversy in December, Golden Boy is willing to take Hopkins back to Canada, where the fight will make by far the most money it possibly can at the live gate. They will ask the Canadian Boxing Commission for neutral judges and a neutral referee, which I can't imagine would be a big problem unless Pascal or his promoter Yvon Michel object. Schaefer is attempting to paint the picture that the fight could sell anywhere, but Hopkins' last few fights on American soil haven't sold at all, and Pascal has almost no name still. The fight belongs in Canada, where they did well the first time.
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Hopkins by decisive victory this time. Made the mistake of picking against the Executioner first time around; won’t be doing that again.
"But women DON'T understand the offside rule!" said in defence of Andy Gray.
by Oli Goldstein on Feb 8, 2011 6:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
For once I DIDN’T pick against him, so I take it personally that we both got jobbed.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Good shout.
Cloud at least has the power to keep Dawson honest….
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
because that would make too much sense
For all parties involved.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Feb 8, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah… Cloud only fights once every 2 years thanks to Don King.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Actually since signing with King he’s been active. It was before King he sat around and had his annual August fight.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Feb 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ooh
Dawson-Andrade? I guess that will prove in a hurry whether Dawson has learned how to fire back while under pressure.
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I would love to see that fight… I mean if there is anyone on GBP stable of fighters who will work his ass off, give a good fight, it is Andrade. Hell… I will pick an upset for the fight.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
not quite the ideal set-up
but pretty close, and hopefully Dawson wins through and fights Cloud soon after…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Remember this thread, Brian?
http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/8/10/984301/has-hopkins-still-got-too-much-for
How do you feel now? :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
And while looking for that thread, I came across this, which I've never read before:
http://www.badlefthook.com/2008/4/14/185641/909
That’s some of the real stuff right there…. I know you won’t like it, Brian, but it rings true for me ;)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I would still pick Chad right now :)
and no comment on the article….lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
actually
it was pretty fair and balanced overall, so that was ok.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I have
Pascal getting the W against Hopkins in a SD. I hope its a hell of a fight.
I think either of the Dawson- Diaconu or Andrade wouldnt be a bad fight ( I would want to see Andrade), but either way, Chad ‘’ Bad’’ Dawson comes right back with a big chip on his shoulder, and gets a very impressive W.
And like the rest of you, I want to see the Dawson-Cloud fight too. That will be a great fight. Although, like the article says, if the winner of these 2 fights really fight, I think we would all want to see another Pascal-Dawson fight. Im a big Pascal and Dawson fan, and I think Dawson would come into that fight with a lot of anger and motivation, and IMO, this fight could be way better than the 1st meeting those guys had in August.
You could be right.
But I hope you’re wrong. I’d love to see Bernard hammer Pascal, and then outfox Dawson. In fact,that would make me happier right now than almost anything in boxing*.
(* David Tua knocking out either Klitschko obviously tops this list….)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
Dawson will have too many gears for him at this stage
but the thing is, if he wins wide then it’ll just be ‘he beat an old guy at the end of his career’. If its close the focus will be all on Bernard. So there’s really no upside for him. My hope is that Bernard gets a close W against Pascal, and then sees Dawson stop Diaconu and decides that its time to go out on a high.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yea
If Hopkins is able to notch a W against Pascal, I think he should retire, because I dont think at this point he could handle Dawson at all. I agree with you bro
It still shocks me a little when people rule out Berard Hopkins.
Pascal won a pretty uncontorversial decision over Dawson, then Hopkins beats the shit out of Pascal for 9 rounds out of 12, and we get “Dawson will have too many gears for him at this stage”….
I’m yet to see any evidence at all that supports this assertion, if I’m honest.
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
bit of a stretch in 2 ways, that post
1. Sure Pascal’s decision win was uncontroversial, but Chad was coming on strong down the stretch and may well have stopped Pascal, had the cut not come about – in the view of better judges than myself.
2. I don’t think Hopkins ‘beat the shit’ out of Pascal for 9 rounds out of 12. He won 6/7 rounds clearly, IMHO. It was a bad decision in a close fight, not a flat out robbery.
3. Hopkins, by the time a Dawson fight would be coming around, would be near 48. Dawson will be smarter than Pascal and is quite honestly already a better boxer, and I feel mentally he’ll be tougher and more aggressive for having had to come back off a loss that hoprefully he feels he just gave away.
4. The A beat B, B beat C, and therefore A should beat C is relatively simplistic, especially when you look at the nuances of the fights in question and the potential trajectories of Dawson and Hopkins.
It probably all depends on how Dawson looks against Diaconu. If he looks sharp, motivated, then for a fight that’s just not going to draw anywhere, Hopkins could weigh up the risk-reward and decide that beating Pascal is a perfect ending.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Oh... you're finished?? Well then, allow me to retort!
1. What could have happened is conjecture. What actually happened was that Pascal beat Dawson clear and wide, in the rounds as they actually happened. Dawson ‘might’ have won the fight, or Pascal’might’ have smacked him in the kisser again and made Chad retreat back into his shell. Either could have happened, but they didn’t, and we’ll never know.
2. I do think Hopkins beat the shit out of him for 9 rounds. I had Pascal 5 up after 3 (should have been 4 up after 3, that knockdown was a farce), and Hopkins won every other round pretty clearly for me. And yeah, I think it was a robbery.
3. Again: you’re speculating based on things you have no evidence for. I said earlier that:
I’m yet to see any evidence at all that supports this assertion, if I’m honest.
Nothing you are saying is either evidence in and of itself, or based on any evidence. If Hopkins looked slow, lethargic, reluctant to pull the trigger or showed any other sign of finally acting his age, then I might agree with you. But as yet we have no evidence that Hopkins is going to suddenly grow old, that Dawson is going to suddenly grow a pair, or that there will be any change in approach or philosophy on the part of Bad Chad. When this evidence arises, I might reconsider my position, but right now Dawson is coming off a loss to a guy that Hopkins outclassed. That’s pretty meaningful to me, and it also has foundation in fact, not conjecture.
4. Simplistic maybe, but it still represents at least some realistic and factual measure of who these guys are. And anyway, didn’t Bruce Lee say that simplicity was the key to brilliance? :)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
1. Its not conjecture that Chad was coming on strong down the stretch, its fact. Its open to speculation whether Pascal would have hung on to the end, but thats all he was going to do, hang on, after Chad finally woke up, adjusted and decided to really start fighting.
2. If Hopkins won 9 rounds That clearly he would have got the decision. The fact is some of them were close enough that the hometown guy got the dubious benefit of any doubt. Its such a stretch to say he ‘outclassed’ him. He surprised most people again (although I did pick him then, because Pascal is just not that smart). I think the difference was the ruling on the second KD
3. (Rafa Benitez style mini rant) There’s no evidence of Hopkins’ age? Its a fact that he’s very close to the end of his career. And there’s clear evidence, if you watch Dawson and Pascal fight, as to who the smarter and better boxer is. (mentally on the night Dawson was more lethargic earlier, and Pascal more aggressive)
4. And I’m sure I read before on here about how the transitive principle of A beats B, who beats C, and therefore A should beat C, often doesn’t necessarily hold because of the different styles of fighters. I can’t quote or link it sadly, but hey :)
I also mentioned the potential trajectories not as factual evidence but just my own idea – and it could go one of two ways. Dawson looks limp and onconvincing in his next outing, Hopkins drinks some more from the fountain of youth and decisions him, or Dawson comes back hard. I like to think that he will, because he must have known he needed a knockout, he had Pascal going, and it must hurt that he never had the chance to try and finish him and keep his ‘0’. Thats just some amateur psychology from me though….lol
Basically, I like both guys, and I’m not a fan of Pascal, so I’m just arguing out the ideal scenario where Chad ends back on top and B-Hop rides into the sunset at just the right time. There’s no mone in Hopkins-Dawson, anyway.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
You know what?
You like Dawson, I don’t. I do however really like Hopkins. I think Hopkins takes Dawson out, you want him to fade away before he takes the risk.
We could argue this round in circles, but it’s pointless, because I know I’m right. ;)
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I hope we don't find out ;)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
And you didn't even mention my Pulp Fiction ref. I'm hurt and disappointed. lol
In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."
I missed it....lol
Ahhh, actually I just kind of visualized aurally that line in my head, and I do remember it….lol. Had to come back and re-read :)
I’ve seen Kill Bill Vol.1 a few more times than Pulp Fiction, but I wouldn’t pick up a ref from that either….lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by the way
we’ll have to have a side bet when Dawson rematches Pascal ;)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Sr. JMMarquez to Mr. Hopkins
~Sir, please do stay off your wrinkled buttsky this time if you fancy a win. See my fights for how that is accomplished.
Yours in Golden Boy forever,
Sr. JMMarquez
"That fellow is a menace. He trains on beer and just won the heavyweight championship of the world."------Frank Hugo, crew coach of Syracuse University talking about Max Baer who knocked down giant champion Primo Carnera 11X on the way to an 11th round stoppage and the championship belt.
by Perfessor Albertus Emeritus Lion V on Feb 10, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions
Uhh Katsidis Mayweather and Pacquiao would all like to have a word with you. Apparently the Alzheimer’s is kicking in and you seem to be forgetting all those times you got put on your backside….
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by Waldo Rastel on Feb 11, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
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