Odlanier Solis Update: Doctors Confirm Serious Knee Injury
by Scott Christ on Mar 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
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Doctors in Cologne, Germany have confirmed a legitimate and serious knee injury to heavyweight fighter Odlanier Solis, according to the AFP. Solis crumbled to the mat near the end of the first round of his fight yesterday with Vitali Klitschko, and had serious trouble getting back to his feet, forcing the referee to call off the fight.
[A] diagnosis at Cologne's University Hospital revealed Solis tore his cruciate ligament and damaged cartilage in the fall, while further tests on Sunday will reveal whether he needs surgery.
"I do not think there will be any other outcome than Solis will have to take a long break to recover," said his promoter Ahmet Oener after the WBC's top-ranked challenger limped out of hospital on crutches.
According to German daily Die Welt, Solis had already had problems in his right knee.
Solis (17-1, 12 KO) was doing as well as anyone has against Vitali Klitschko since Klitschko's 2008 comeback after four years out of the sport. What happened was unfortunate to say the least. It robbed folks of what just might have developed into a truly interesting heavyweight fight for once.
In The Telegraph, Klitschko rival David Haye was quick to blame Solis' poor conditioning:
"Now that's why you shouldn't have excess body fat. A lean 30 year-old, healthy athlete shouldn't have joints or ligament popping for no reason," said Haye. "Solis knew how to beat Vit, but years of obesity stopped him being able to execute. He will unfortunately go down as yet another fat bum."
Haye, who lost to Solis 10 years ago in the amateur ranks, fought a man who was 46lbs lighter that night. Solis weighed in at 248.5 lbs against Klitschko.
"He beat me 10 years ago when he weighed 46lbs less. That's my point. He used to be ripped. Why become obese before a huge fight?"
Haye may be fundamentally right, but it's a bit comical to suggest that Solis "became obese before a huge fight." Solis hasn't weighed in at that 200-pound limit in years now. He didn't even finish his amateur career at 200 pounds. And in fact, the 247 he weighed on the scales for this fight (the 248.5 reported by Gareth Davies is the only time I've seen it reported as 248.5) tied his professional career low for a weigh-in. It's still heavier than almost anyone thinks he should fight by at least 15 pounds, but this is not a new development, as Haye is painting it to be. It's 13 pounds less than Solis weighed in December against Ray Austin, and 25 less than the bloated 271 he weighed against Monte Barrett in September 2009, which was Solis' career high. Haye's not exactly totally on point here, but his point is fair.
Hopefully we'll see Solis re-dedicate himself to his sport when he does return. He's a huge talent and it just seems such a waste for him to marginalize himself the way he does. The injury could have happened to anyone, even David Haye and his six-pack abs, but he's never going to escape the idea that he's too fat unless he stops looking too fat. That's about as simple and plain as I can make it.
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Haye's being completely unfair
Solis made a real effort, much more than say Arreola. Yes, he’s not ripped but at least he took training relatively seriously.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Im with you on this
But I think he’s also trying to big himself up, without directly “bigging himself up”. He prides himself on turning up to every fight in tip top condition. In that one round, a fighter with good skills and fairly in shape didn’t get outclassed, as per the usual drab bunch of fat blokes that turn up.
You see where im going with this?
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, yeah ;)
I have to catch the tape….a competitve couple of minutes with Vitali is a rarity. It must have been encouraging for Haye…..even though he’s got plenty of genuine belief anyway.
As an aside, in the talking stakes he’s really rubbed off positively on George Groves. I saw him on Skysports with James DeGale, and Groves sounded more confident and collected. Particularly when he came out with ’I’ll make a prediction – his trainer will pull him out of the fight’ lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Made Degale look like a schoolboy to be fair
But Degale is better suited to the “bad boy” role and with an rivalry this intense, someome has to play it. Groves seemed quietly confident, but the na win in the amatures would probably do that.
Still think Degale brushes him aside without much hassle though
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
‘ugly boy you can’t do that! ugly boy you can’t do that!’ didn’t really cut it, especially repeated a dozen or so times in a row…..
I hope DeGale’s boxing with him goes better than the talking, anyway.
I just caught the highlights of Vitali-Solis; he did do ok for as long as it lasted. I don’t think it was going quite as well as the impression for Solis as I got off the thread on here, but agreed with the general sentiment that it was a real shame, as that could have been a little interesting.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Don't get me wrong
Solis didn’t put the hurt on Vit! But i was considering giving him the round. And how rare an occurence is that for a Kilt foe
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not feeling that assessment. The jabs went 92% straight to the gloves. It was Solis’ round until whatever happened there happened.
I had another watch an I will go with my previous statement
I would give the round to Solis. As you say, the jabs were hitting the guard
by Sweet science on Mar 21, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Just glad to have encouraged a second look. Not that we’re ever going to see a rematch or anything even if there were real cries for it, since Vitali will be retired by the time Solis is rehabbed. (Rough time estimate.)
by El Destruyo on Mar 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I will let you sit on the fence Ted
Is your backside prickly with the splinters? :)
by Sweet science on Mar 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted
But when a fighter even has slight sucsess against a Klit, im going to give the round to that bloke…. As you say, chances are he loses the next 11, or gets KO’d in the next, take your pick ;)
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I think the excitement was that it wasn’t a dominant Vitali round, so we might have had an actual fight for however long it lasted. He was doing enough (Solis) to have an argument for the round, and you’re right, that is pretty rare.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Solis will have
to rededicate himself hard. Weight is the worst thing for knees, no way will they heal properly unless he’s truly thin.
Interesting that Lennos, for all that he sounds like an idiot, got it right—he immediately hypothesized that there had to be a pre-existing condition.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
thanks for the links btw to Conte and Balco
I only caught up with it today Its really a beyond remarkable story, and while I didn’t think you were being too charitable before, I can see why now.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Glad you “enjoyed” them. The guy is poison, pure snake-oil salesman, to my mind.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Nah, his stuff actually works like he says it will.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 21, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a point there,
Unfortunately.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
The more I watch that fight, the more I think Solis would have been in for beat down.
Yes, his combos were fast and yes, he was able to land a few, but he also was getting peppered by Klits string jabs and an occasional left hook. To me. it looked like a typical Vitali start and by round 5, Solis’s face would have begun to show the wear and tear of those brutal jabs. By round 10, he would have quit on the stool All IMO of course.
to be honest
thats how I saw it going too. Still, in that short time he looked better than anyone since Vitali’s comeback, although that is not saying all that much
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Now I wonder if Klit will retire. I doubt it because he didn't take any punsihment in that fight.
If i were Vitali, I fight real soon and make another 15 million. Maybe against Pot or the guy Chamber beat who looks like Ivan Drago. Then become mayor of Kiev.
I love his attitude
He looked SO angry at the end. He really wanted to keep fighting – Wlad seemed to find it pretty funny in holding him back.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Dimitrenko
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
all signs point to Vitali-Adamek
Which I think is going to be a Grade-A stink bomb once all is said and done, but at least it would happen and we could stop asking questions about it. Well, those who ask questions about it. I think Adamek gets demolished.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 20, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
But it’s a better fight than Adamek-Wlad.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 20, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Odlanier Solis really needs to change his mindset because even if he manages to stay on top of his weight relatively well while he’s boxing, he could end up looking like this after he retires http://dynamikmagazine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/7bcb0_alg_biggest_loser_wornum2.jpg and I’m not being funny. Seeing as how fat boxers get after they finish fighting, that could be his future (he kind of looks similar doesn’t he?)
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
that's totally extreme lol
and I think he has changed his midset some, coming in as low as he did for this fight. If he comes in at that or lower next time, for what will be a lesser fight, then he’ll definitely be going the right way even if he doesn’t looked ripped.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
haha, i know it seems extreme, but think of Ricky Hatton, for instance, he would always balloon up so much between fights, mostly because he didn’t have a physical fitness mindset, he just did it as part of the preparation for the fight… so if Solis doesn’t change out of that mindset, he might very well end up like that… he needs to start understanding that he needs to be in shape, not only because of his career, but because of his health and life. I know it seems extreme at this point, but I’m just thinking about what could happen down the line when he’s no longer fighting.
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
You have to bear in mind
That for his next fight, it won’t nearly be as bigger fight as last night. And that he is facing a long lay off. So chances are he puts on weight during the lay off, and prehaps isn’t as dedicated as he has been in the past, 3 months or so.
Hoping for him to be
inspired to keep the weight off just so he can walk normally, without pain, never mind fight. His injuries are pretty curable, but only if you cooperate with the cure, and that’s more true of bone and joint healing than a lot (but not all) other kinds. Buckets of PT taking many painful hours are about to ensue. More than wanting to win, wanting to walk may make this a positive-for-his-health mischance.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Good point that
He probably will never be as fleet as foot as he seemed last night. He was moving pretty nicley last night.
I forgot about all the rehab you have to do for cruciates. Duhhh
Time will tell
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
true
if he’s going to fulfil the potential a lot of people rave about, then he needs to be at a similar weight even for that. If not, then I’ll know right there its not going to happen. I’m not going to get sucked into another Arreola saga where discussing the weight takes over an assessment over what might happen in the guy’s fights, or talking about how much more he could do ‘if only’ he was in shape.
I agree you’re most likely right that he comes in overweight next time, but I live in hope…..lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
That penalty was completely lucky but I’ll take it!
PS – I love Suarez!
Also Solis needs to be really light and fast to challenge the K-Bros. The Solis who beat Haye and put like 15 pounds on that would be optimum.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 20, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not another Liverpool fan
Shakes head in a dis-approving fashion
Vomites on floor
by Sweet science on Mar 20, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The only people who would say that are ManU fans…..
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I think you're right
I did ask SweetScience before, but he didn’t answer/I missed the response so I took the charitable view and guessed he was an Evertonian, who I actually don’t mind. Rich (Chaos) is also a Man U fan – so they’re not all bad. Just absolutely insufferable on the topic of football…lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
you did miss the answer
and I am a United fan
League table doesn’t lie :)
Also an Aldershot fan by the way, as that is my local team ;) Best fans in the land
by Sweet science on Mar 21, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Where u from and who u support man?
Im going to confess that I know more about football than boxing. But im just a sucker for most sports. I guess football is umero numero, and boxing a close second
by Sweet science on Mar 21, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
South of England
About half hour drive from Pourtsmouth :) Hampshire
by Sweet science on Mar 22, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm from Poland
Soccer is numero uno on my list too. I support the Polish national team, next year Euro 2012 will be huge. And who are you a fan of?
lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
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