Chris John Beats Daud Yordan in Indonesian Superfight; Gamboa Next?
by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
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"The Dragon" still breathes fire. Today in Jakarta, Chris John held off a game challenge from countryman Daud Yordan, winning on unanimous decision scores of 117-111, 116-112, and 116-112 in an entertaining battle.
The Jakarta Globe has the details:
Chris, 31, used nearly every trick in the book to defeat 23-year-old Daud, who did not back down from the champion but was clearly outclassed by the man known as "The Dragon." ... After the fourth round, it was all Chris. While Daud relied heavily on just one weapon — his punching power — Chris used every trick in the book. His counterpunches were efficient, he moved well across the ring and he timed his attacks to take Daud off his rhythm. Chris was up to the challenge brought by Daud and was able to withstand the worst of Daud’s punches, allowing him to take the bout to the distance.
With the big shakeup in the featherweight division last night thanks to Orlando Salido's upset of Juan Manuel Lopez, I guess you could go ahead and keep arguing that John is the best featherweight in the world. I won't, but I guess someone will.
This could also be the final step to Chris John fighting Yuriorkis Gamboa, which would pit, either way you order them, the #1 and #2 featherweights in the game today. Word was from Top Rank and Chris John representative Sampson Lewkowicz that if Gamboa won on 3/26 and John won on 4/17, the two would talk turkey for a big featherweight clash. That might have seemed disappointing 24 hours ago when THE featherweight fight was still Lopez-Gamboa, but now the best fight to be made is Gamboa-John, so hopefully they do get it done. John has been working with Golden Boy Promotions, but I don't think he's actually under contract with them, and I also don't think they have a fight for him at 126 that would get him back in the States, where isn't a draw anyway. Top Rank can make something happen, and given his long undefeated streak, Gamboa-John works as a changing of the guard-type showdown on paper.
John is now 45-0-2 (22 KO), while Yordan falls to 27-2 (21 KO).
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Salido should also be mentioned in that mix. I wouldn’t be surprised seeing him fight John because im not sure John wants to fight Gamboa.
John holds the super version of the title that Gamboa holds the regular version of. Salido holds a completely different title that he probably doesn’t want to give up for daring to "unify.’
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well it is confusing
WBA Super: Chris John
WBA “Unified” (Even Though It’s No Longer Unified): Yuriorkis Gamboa
WBO: Orlando Salido
So if Gamboa beat John, then Gamboa is Super “champion.” Which means that the “regular” title could be given to Jonathan Victor Barros, who holds (get this) another full WBA featherweight title (called “World” title). That would mean they could open up that title to give to SOMEONE ELSE in a “vacant title” fight. Or they keep it all in the “family” either way — Salido is not in the family. They did allow Gamboa-Salido when Salido held the IBF belt, but Salido lost it on the (second) scales and then Gamboa gave that belt up before he fought Solis anyway, since Gamboa didn’t want to weigh in twice.
Just in case anyone forgot the stuff about boxing that is flat-out retarded (not a word I use lightly), there’s some!
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I try not to even pay attention to this shit anymore.
I want to see Chris John vs. Gamboa because they’ve both beaten fighters I have respect for and they’re both at the top of the BLH rankings. Fuck the belts.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
indeed
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevertheless...
at this point I’d prefer to watch Salido-Gamboa II. Would Salido really not want a 2nd crack at Gamboa? In any event, I’m up for watching Gamboa-John, though at this point in their careers, I suspect Gamboa makes pretty short work of him.
by geraldmcgrew on Apr 17, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Salido ever beats Gamboa or truly troubles him. As good as Lopez is, he just stands there waiting to get hit — he was especially flat-footed last night. Gamboa clearly beat Salido and I don’t really need to see it again personally.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I take your point, but
do you really expect John to be more competitive with Gamboa at this point than Salido would?
Gamboa’s promotional company really blew it “over-cooking” the fight with Lopez (trying not to get personal since Arum’s still in mourning less than a year).
by geraldmcgrew on Apr 17, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris John is 45-0 and is the long-time champion of the division. How is that a less compelling fight than a rematch of a fight where one dude clearly outclassed the other and became visibly bored during the fight?
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Based on record and resume
I would agree with you. It’s just my hunch that at this point John will be even less competitive than Salido would. I’ll be quite happy to be wrong (as I often am).
by geraldmcgrew on Apr 17, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How did Gamboa’s promotional company blow it? I put that way more on Lopez’s people than Gamboa’s. Gamboa does not have the ability to draw like Lopez based on ethnicity alone.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Gamboa does not have the ability to draw like Lopez based on ethnicity alone.
Meaning Gamboa has to take tough fights – he can’t make money by waving flags and beating cans.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Not that Lopez only fought cans – he took reasonably tough fights. But I think he’s been ducking Gamboa (apparently for good reason) for about 2 years.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Honestly, I think they’ve both been ducking each other… Gamboa hasn’t been begging for a Lopez fight either… Gamboa’s not a super risk taker either, if I remember correctly, he wanted no part of Caballero, even though he would probably spank him.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
I was referring to Top Rank for both Gamboa and Lopez
-just trying to take a year off from insulting Arum by name.
by geraldmcgrew on Apr 17, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, he hasn’t stopped insulting anyone.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
John’s a better pure boxer and counter-puncher so at least he’s a different challenge.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and has a questionable chin… good lord Rocky Juarez could have gotten him out if he ever got it out of 3rd gear.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Yea, Rocky could have
I just want to see Gamboa spark the shit out of him, frankly.
I still don’t get how he beat Marquez. I never saw the fight. I know John can throw a lot and can counter, but Marquez is just so damn crafty, I’m surprised he couldn’t figure him out.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFF92heZt5Y
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
did you score it?
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I've always had it for John
It was a legit win.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Rocky can punch, I don’t think it’s any shame getting hurt by him during those rounds where he decides to fight.
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by Scott Christ on Apr 17, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Rocky could have gotten Barrera out as well in his first fight… but never did change the gears when it was needed.
No one questions Rocky’s physical attributes, he was a great prospect… a good boxer puncher but we later found out that he just doesn’t let his hands go.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Salido will amke more money fightin a rematch with juanma
Gamboa will more than likely fight Rafa Marquez
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
John-Gamboa
That would be a good matchup, forget the WBA nonsense, but that fight should make the lineal champ tho.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Apr 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
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