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Lopez Wants to Rematch Salido, Then Move Up; Controversy Continues Over Stoppage

Juan Manuel Lopez wants to face Orlando Salido again before moving up in weight. (Photo by Tom Casino/SHOWTIME)

Jhonny Gonzalez of BoxingScene.com reports today that Juan Manuel Lopez is hoping for an immediate rematch against Orlando Salido, then after will move up to 130 pounds permanently.

Lopez (30-1, 27 KO) was upset in Puerto Rico by Salido (35-11-2, 23 KO) on Saturday night, but controversy continues over the stoppage. Another report at BoxingScene.com says that Peter Rivera, who co-promotes Lopez with Puerto Rico Best Boxing, verbally complained to the boxing commission head Dommys Delgado Berty about the choice of referee, Roberto Ramirez. Berty told Rivera to file a formal complaint, but Rivera did not. Rivera's complaint was that he had been told Ramirez "wagered against" Lopez in his 2008 fight against Daniel Ponce de Leon.

While immediate rematches for sanctioning body titles are often hard to make, this one seems to line up right for all involved parties. It was a good fight, it can draw money in Puerto Rico or Mexico, and the finish has stirred up controversy.

As for Lopez's inevitable move to 130 pounds, it probably does need to happen, but more concerning are the reports from Bob Arum and rumors floated by others that Lopez got himself grossly out of shape between his November fight with Rafael Marquez and the fight on Saturday with Salido. Arum says that Lopez ballooned up to "180-190 pounds" by December, and Lopez's sluggish, flat-footed performance against Salido does indicate that there was something lacking in preparation, whatever it was.

Hopefully for Lopez, the loss was a wake-up call professionally. Undefeated records aren't the most important thing in the world, and it's gone and not coming back, so forget about that. If he doesn't get back to what he was doing before, a promising career could be wasted.

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I agree on the quick hook (Lopez is a resilient guy), but the rematch will sort this out. I think a more focused JuanMa comes out on top ………..but Salido is always a good "dog" pick.

by DPlainview on Apr 18, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t want to be mean but I was kinda taken aback when I saw how fat one of Lopez’s sons was during the fight coverage, however this report puts that in perspective. It may just be in Lopez’s genes that he blows up if he doesn’t constantly stay in the gym.

by dervish686 on Apr 18, 2011 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

There have been other rumors about his between-fights habits. It’s not just genes, let’s put it that way.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elaborate my friend… what are these rumors that you hear about it.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re out there. Not hard to find.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's only one Juanma Fatton

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by Brickhaus on Apr 18, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find that 180/190 lb figure kinda shocking. I am 6’0 on a good day and I feel pudgy at 175 and he is what 5’5/5’6? How do you get that way? It makes me think how on earth did he make weight at the lower weight classes.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 18, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Some guys just have no impulse control when they aren’t in training. Combine that with a slow metabolism and a wild lifestyle and you’re heading for trouble.

by Sammlung on Apr 18, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There had to be serious issues with training/conditioning because he looked terrible. He was shockingly slow and had no energy from start to finish. Lopez isn’t a speed merchant, but he looked like he was moving in molasses against Salido.

I hope this loss makes Lopez a. not balloon up to 200 pounds between fights and b. regain the boxing skills he used to have. He’s gotten really lazy in his last few fights, overly relying on his power.

by Sammlung on Apr 18, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

on the last part

Agreed. He was never slick and is never going to be, but he’s gotten SO indifferent to anything but slugging it out. It can be fun to watch, but it’s hardly helping him in the ring. He was exciting before he started getting his brains rattled around every fight, too.

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

When do you think he was last on top of his game? I have some thoughts but am curious what you think, as a far more capable observer.

by drivlikejehu on Apr 18, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me, the Penalosa fight

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by Brickhaus on Apr 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or maybe Luevano

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by Brickhaus on Apr 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penalosa

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by Scott Christ on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I was thinking the same thing. Like Brickhaus maybe was suggesting I thought he was reasonably sharp against Luevano but not Terminator-like.

His future seems very cloudy to me. A rematch with Salido certainly wouldn’t be easy, Gamboa would be heavily favored against him, and I’m not sure who he is going to fight at 130. Lopez obviously remains dangerous and could regain some lost form but I’m pessimistic.

by drivlikejehu on Apr 18, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he takes a year out and balloons over 200lbs maybe he could get a fight with the Klitchko’s : D

by properdave on Apr 19, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Naseem Hamed

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by Brickhaus on Apr 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a point though,

Penalosa was the smaller man, stood up under L’s shots (I know, he’s tough) and hit him all night long.

A fact appears to be that Lopez is not hard to hit and it’s possible that someone with a good chin, and who can punch,
will always dent the Lopez chin before being dented himself.

by Don From Prov on Apr 19, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I thought Juanma never fought well agst pressure fighters, but fought best when he could impose his style, or power on a fighter. He tore through Penalosa, Concepcion, and Marquez b/c they were boxers that wanted to stand up to him, but with Mtagwa and Salido who forced him to fight on his back foot, he’s pretty lousy. He moves his feet too much to get distance and angles, and he doesn’t jab when he boxes, and in the mtagwa case, he didn’t box and move, he threw a few counters, and then moved to the OPPOSITE side of the ring, and repeated until he got tired. He was waiting to be exposed, with sometimes a questionable chin, a non-ability to adapt and box when he was forced to be the boxer, and not being able to use lateral movement effectively. Whatever pple want to say, I’d like to say he’s been effectively been exposed by two pressure fighters: Mtagwa and Salido, and this will always be the case with him and some great boxers (Mayweather vs. Castillo, Cotto vs. Margarito [real or fictional just making a point], Berto vs. Collazo, Dawson vs. Johnson 1, Ortiz vs. Maidana) Sometimes fighters get discouraged when they throw the kitchen sink at a fighter and they still keep coming. Expect the same result with whatever Juanma brings to a rematch. It’s not a conditioning thing, though it could help, it’s a style thing. He doesn’t like to/know how to box. Also, to Salido’s credit, he looked in tip top shape, he slipped punches effectively, fought intelligently, dug to the body, and basically boxed well overall imo. He fought the fight of his life, and he deserved the victory, so I’m tired of Juanma this, Juanma that, he’s been protected since the Mtagwa fight, and was moved away from Gamboa since Gamboa tore through Mtagwa. The “big money” fight will not be so big any more with the “0” being gone. Too bad. Juanma and his chinny chin chin will always have problems with relentless pressure fighters with some power, he just can’t box off his back foot. Just his achilles heel, literally. Holler!

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by cylee1180 on Apr 18, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said Cylee. very well said

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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed reading that. Just on a very minor point, I don’t think you’re right about Mayweather being exposed by pressure fighters. He had an off night against Castillo, but even that was a very tight fight, and otherwise, he’s torn apart Diego Corrales, beaten Castillo comfortably in a rematch and stopped Ricky Hatton.

But yeah, otherwise, largely agree, and its a very good observation about his whole moving across to the other side of the ring instead of actually boxing. Guy can’t step off and move laterally, its either backwards or forwards.

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by Oli Goldstein on Apr 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If I was a betting man

The next most highly touted fighter to get beaten will be Lucian Bute. His vulnerabilities and flaws are accident waiting to happen.

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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. Bute is still the Bute that barely survived Andrade.

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by Matt Miller on Apr 19, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

A different ref could have very well stopped the fight before the knockdown in that fight.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 19, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, the ref for Lopez / Salido (if he were consistent) certainly would have

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by Matt Miller on Apr 19, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else think Hasegawa deserved another 10-15 seconds of fighting? The ref let Montiel fighting when he was crawling on the floor while trying to get up, and Hasegawa more than beat the count, and sort of had rubbery legs, but I thought Hasegawa should have gotten a second shot. Also, if I got a dollar for every time Ortiz looked exactly the same way upon getting up I’d be a dozen-aire. With Juanma, I feel he was no longer “intelligently” defending himself, as his punches lacked snap, and more importantly he was wide open during punches as his hands were down, and moved very slowly. Salido could have knocked him out cold…

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by cylee1180 on Apr 19, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he was taking unnecessary punishment IMO, and Juanma did not have a chance of coming back that round…

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by cylee1180 on Apr 19, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, caveman

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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2

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by BoxAnne on Apr 20, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I like Bute

I sure wouldn’t bet my house on him until he’s been through some challenges.
We know more about the Super-Six fighters than we do about Bute. Though I do know that he can be hit & he gassed—

by Don From Prov on Apr 19, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

and he hasn’t even remotely faced the same level of competition that the oothers in the Super Six have had to face. Seeing all the upsets and unexpected results in the tourney so far, it’s hard for me to not to believe that the Bute train would not have been de-railed had he been included.

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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Arum and those around him really believe it was just a case of Lopez being not at his best...

they’ll make a rematch in 3 months and put training camp in Siberia.

Until JML proves that he is capable of slipping a punch I’ll take Salido to stop him again, because he’s a better fighter.

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by Lee Payton on Apr 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

The rematch will be in the fall

But if Juanma isn’t at his absolute best, he will get beaten again.
On the other hand, he is now the challenger and it’s he would should be movitated.

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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Canadian...

and I agree.

A flashy record usually says more about the management than the fighter. He’s been handled well, but he’s also taking clean shots from everyone. When he takes the big step up in class, we’ll find out what’s what. Undefeated is overrated.

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by Lee Payton on Apr 19, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Undefeated is overrated. Great line.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
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by pakinpower on Apr 19, 2011 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Salido had the goods

against JuanMa. Even between rounds the corner was saying he’s there to be hit. They knew if they could get to his chin his survival instinct to brawl would take over and all training goes out the window which played right into Salido’s game plan. Even JuanMa agreed he had no answer for Salido’s overhand right. Juanma went blow for blow with a smaller Raphael Marquez and got hit flush many times. Anyone who watched that fight knew the holes in his defense were gaping and when you start tapping his chin he forgets about defense and tries to wail back.

by tacklerford on Apr 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Salido is tougher and gets hit less. Lopez is not as tough and gets hit more. Training in Ethiopia ain`t gonna change that.

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by Lee Payton on Apr 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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