Dementia Pugilistica: A Dark Primer
There is something so bitterly cruel and ironic about a fighting man not being able to remember the one glorious and exceptional quality that set him apart from the rest.
—Mike Casey
If you’ve got problems on a CAT scan, you’re too darn late…
Dr. Battaglia of Oregon, "Too Many Punches, Too Little Concern." SI Vault. 4-11-83
This is not an unpleasant place. There might even be a garden outside with benches upon which the sun shines warmly. The sound of birds singing may be heard by those who can still hear. Polite and helpful attendants with white uniforms move about, while visitors sit quietly with the patients. However, meaningful conversations are not commonplace. There is a sense of temporariness or "just passing through" that is unmistakable.
Most here are locked in a clouded emotional prison punctuated with stares that see very little. They hear voices no one else hears, and they often scream at night. Some sit in wheelchairs semi-paralyzed; others lie in bed unable to see, having to be fed and otherwise cared for. Some shuffle around without knowing their destination. Occasionally, a flash of glory is recalled. But soon the flashes cruelly evanesce, leaving the inhabitants to resume their blank stares with eyes glazed over. They are often confused, childlike, and uttering unintelligible sounds delivered by thick tongues. The more fortunate have friends or relatives to help out.
Eventually, they will need to be cared for like infants, for this terrible thing they have is degenerative and unforgiving, and its symptoms often emerge once the victim is in his later years, long after retiring from the career that gave rise to the condition.
Some who have not yet arrived are huddled in lonely doorways or in subway stations on a frigid night; some are looking for aluminum cans in alleyways in some junkyard to turn in for some extra change. Still others shuffle unsteadily from one flea-bitten hotel to another. Their world is one of irreversible sameness. They all seem to talk alike, slurring their words with a nasal monotone, and sometimes engaging in self-directed temper tantrums.
The symptoms are similar to that of alcohol intoxication, but this malady is worse. They have speech difficulty, dizziness, and involuntary muscular movements—their hands tremor. Their balance is unsteady, and their short-term memory is rapidly deteriorating. Their cognitive ability is all but gone. They have a problem engaging in the most simple of daily activities or in working menial jobs; and they also have a tendency to wander. Once the conditions exist, there is no other choice but to deal with it and make the most out of what limited treatments are available. Soon, they will become eligible for admittance, but until then, they must exist from day to day as best they can.
These unfortunate few are all victims of the legalized violence of boxing, where the risk-reward equation was never in their favor. Most are unknown and will be forgotten. The legacies of those who are known will be kept alive by their fans long after they have left this world.
People with this kind of mental damage are sometimes described as being punch-drunk or punchy. Those words are both demeaning and terribly misleading. A better way to describe it is to use diagnostic terms such as chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). For the politically correct, the condition, which occurs in people who have suffered multiple concussions, commonly manifests itself as dementia or declining mental ability. It also can result in Parkinson’s tremors and lack of coordination. But plainly stated, it is dementia pugilistica (aka boxer syndrome), nothing more and nothing less. It’s a condition caused by being on the receiving end of too many blows to the head and it is horrific.
Boxers with dementia pugilistica can also exhibit symptoms resembling other degenerative disorders, including: Parkinsonism (which Muhammad Ali showed signs of at age 38 and was diagnosed with in 1984), Dementia, Alzheimer’s disease, Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome, and Kluver-Bucy syndrome.
While other injuries such as cuts and fractures can be repaired, brain tissue, once damaged, remains damaged. The boxer can recover from a broken nose; however, severe brain damage is permanent. More than a single blow or knockout punch, it is the accumulation of punches, endured over a period of time, both in actual fights and during the many rounds of gym training.
Now it’s not pleasant to say where this place is. Some refer to it colloquially as "Palookaville," but it’s far worse than that. This place is at the end of a one-way, irreversible descent, ending where cerebral atrophy occurs and where the brain rapidly shrinks with dead cells dissolving into liquid. Finally and mercifully, the all-but-dead brain eventually begins to shut down, and a decision must be made to remove life support, which in turn will result in cardiac arrest—and that’s what they mean when they say someone had died from complications of dementia pugilistica. And that’s where it all finally ends.
No bell tolls with the final ten count for these fallen warriors. Here, the thousands of rounds in the gym during which the blows landed upon their skull offset any possible lingering feeling of invincibility. Here, there is neither denial nor hope. No more triumphs. No romanticizing. The machines are turned off. The bulb flickers, dims, and goes out. Then all becomes dark.
May God bless Denny and Phil Moyer, Jerry and Mike Quarry, Jimmy Young, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson, Floyd Patterson, Johnny Saxon, and all the others who gave us so much joy when they fought.
Postscript: Denny Moyer is featured in the documentary, “After the Last Round,” a film that is scheduled to be released this fall and focuses on the risks of boxing and how it affects families.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Apr 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
To think about this too often or too honestly could
lead one not to love boxing quite so much.
Some functions don’t come back, and that’s scary. Since I do love boxing, I see the danger as part of the sport—
But that’s not as easy as when I was young.
When I see cheap shots on television in hockey now (a sport I don’t love) I’m really bothered.
In some people a second concussion could be one too many.
I’ve been meaning to add a comment to this, but it’s just kind of a “What can you say?” thing. It’s one of the harsh realities of the sport, and I do think there’s value in thinking about it every once in a while. Don mentioned the cheap shots in hockey — I’ve been the same way over the years with football, and really commend the NFL for finally taking a hardline stance on concussions. It sucks that your quarterback might have to miss a game that he “could play in if they’d let him,” but it just might suck a lot less for him in 20 years.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I’ve been meaning to add a comment to this, but it’s just kind of a "What can you say?" thing.
Me too,so i just gave it a rec.
Is this the chapter from your book Boxing Is My Sanctuary,Ted?
It seems familiar to me.
This is why they call it the hardest game..You certainly don’t play this sport.
It’s one of the few sports where one of the main objectives is to render your opponent unconcious.
I trained and sparred on and off for about 4 years around 10 years ago and while i was only of average (at best) skills and loved my food too much :),it never felt right to me when the trainer would be shouting “knock his f*cking head off”,etc.
You’ve got to be pretty cruel (or extremely talented/tough) to succed in this sport.
Yet i still love to watch it,though have questioned myself “why” many times in the past.
The best answer i can come up with is that no one forces anyone to take part.They are grown men who make their own decisions and really need good people around them to make sure they don’t go on too long.
They are entertainers too and if i really excelled at something like this and loved doing it i think it would be very hard to stop myself from doing it.
And when it stops after the last fight, the depression bites deeply and painfully.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
The best answer i can come up with is that no one forces anyone to take part.They are grown men who make their own decisions and really need good people around them to make sure they don’t go on too long.
Correct. And it’s too late when the symptoms appear. That’s the real horror of this thing.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
For what it’s worth, I’ve been doing a lot of study and everything on CTE for Bloody Elbow and talking to a lot of experts and doctors and we’re getting to the point where the existence of the Tau Proteins can be found as they are starting to build up versus only detecting them after death with deep brain studies.
It’s a few years off, but there is some light on the horizon.
Managing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on May 2, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is a somewhat related link on that.
Crap. could not paste it. Later.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2009/06/alzheimers-and-tau-proteins.html
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
This is a significantly revised piece of that chapter, Matt. It is part of a series I am doing titled "The Darker Side of Boxing."
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Mosley’s starting to slur badly , Ted. Being in hard fights at his age will do him no good at all. Im spewing the thread on worst fighters with a good record is shit LOL I wanted to whack Brian Nielson on it . Dicky Ryan was 45-3 when he beat Nielson who was 49-0 at the time . On records you would think it was Marciano v Ali LOL. Cheers mate.
BAD PROBLEMS
When young men start boxing they consider the bad problems that can occur in a fighter’s brain to be something that might happen to some one else but not them. The sad thing is you do not have to have a lot of fights to get damaged forever. Some fighters like Archie Moore can have over 200 fights and never have a problem but others can have a few and have serious problems. Another excellent atricle by Ted Sares.
Hmm. Thanks good buddy. I doubt I could much better than this. It ain't great, but it's me.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
The best answer i can come up with is that no one forces anyone to take part.They are grown men who make their own decisions and really need good people around them to make sure they don’t go on too long.
This was the same case with Valero. I’m of the opinion that Valero should not have been fighting due to his motorbike accident, but he made the call to continue and had the yes men around him to back him on the decision. I don’t know if that affected his mental shake-up, but it does make me wonder.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
I have done extensive reseach on the Valero case and what happened on more than one occasion
that his “yes men” bailed him out of rehab and other troubles far too often. As for his brain injury, the best I could come up with is that it, along with his substance abuse and brutal childhood issues, may have coalesced to produce a monster. We really will never know because an autopsy apparently was not done or if it was, the results have never been made known. But he was playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets with that brain injury. This I know for sure
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Agreed. That was a case that clearly cried out to have the brain examined extensively, but it is what it is. I didn’t expect it would happen.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 3, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Government was part of the cover up. An dit also protected him when it should have been
protectiung him from himself. There are a lot of people to blame in this tragedy. Lots of fingers to point.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
I feel like the government deserves a huge amount of the blame
A fighter wants to fight, its a sanctioning bodies job to help him NOT fight. The crap with his wife getting beaten in advance, a competent government would have intervened, as things like this are far too common where things escalate after a wife is beaten. Instead, the gov wanted to protect themselves, and disaster resulted. I suppose one could blame it all the way up to Chavez for instituting a culture where this would be OK as long as it glorified the country, but that is a stretch on some level.
by journeyintosound on May 5, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
we got into this once before. I’m on your side as far as the government has a duty to protect people when they engage in behavior that endangers themselves and those that rely on them.
But there’s also the other side of the coin – some people think you should be able to do whatever you want, regardless of the potential and apparent consequences.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
In the end, I am totally convinced that Edwin was not in his right mind and really
was awalking time bomb.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
I think this is the right answer. It’s easy to blame Chavez and Venezuela; however, the core problem was that Edwin Valero was essentially insane.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on May 5, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He was at the end. I have no doubt of that whatsoever and I reserached it to
death.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
It is a hard thing to think about, but everyone should.
Everyone would still call it “punch drunk” when I was a kid, and while I can see how it’s wrong I don’t remember it always being used in a way to hurt a guy (I remember it being whispered to me a couple of times, to explain how a guy was going to talk). Whatever you call it, it is a wound that guys get in the ring, being brave, and I do wish there was more of a safety net for these guys, whether it’s a “boxer’s pension” or some other way. The end is horrible so often that it breaks your heart, with all the guys you mention and many more. Guys like Leon Spinks and Joe Frazier (though his isn’t so bad) and definitely Mel Taylor, who I think was let down by guys close to him to some degree. Whether they were your favorite fighters or not, it should matter to anyone who watches the sport, because they are all risking it every time they step in a ring.
Thanks, bossman.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Ali was the classic example
Everyone in Alis camp before the Holmes fight knew what was happening. Ali’s so called buddy Bundini Brown was screaming at Dundee not to stop that fight in the 10th. Fighters with big entourages usually keep going way past their use by date. As far as I know Marciano and Hagler were basically loners who weren’t into the whole entourage thing.
It was too far, and Ali really needed someone to tell him. It’s crazy, because that’s the most important job these guys have at this level of the game. An Ali doesn’t need to work the mitts. An Ali needs to have someone who cares tell him when it’s enough.
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"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Marciano was tight with Alli Colombo and mayby one or two other guys from Brockton, But he kept his own
counsel and generally followed his own advice. Hagler was a hermit indeed and still kind of is. He has a lot of firends but is still stand-offish in a kind of non-trusting way rather than in a conceited way. Both were very similar in this regard and both grew up (boxing-wise) in Brockton. I have a photo on my Old School page on my site that I think shows Rocky’s small entourage.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Thanks Ted
I thought as much . I cant imagine The Rock in a pink Cadillac with a personal valet and a dwarf ala Sugar Ray Robinson LOL
Thank you, Ted
for this thread, and for the closing comment on my Rodriquez estate post. With the related video fading into the background, your generous words cement the meaning better than I could.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
My pleasure. He was a Chicago boy and he was a special kind of kid.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry

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