Mosley Speaks on Pacquiao, Ishe Smith Speaks on Performance Enhancing Drugs
by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
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Update (5:31pm EDT): This is apparently a hot topic now. Shane Mosley tweeted something he probably shouldn't have, which I missed at first, and didn't catch wind of until The Sweet Science's Michael Woods ran this article. For the "other" Manny Pacquiao and steroids discussion, read that take, because it sums up what should be treated as pure fiction very nicely. Twitter reaction toward Mosley has been about what you'd expect.
Shane Mosley has been quiet since Saturday night's post-fight press conference. While the world has addressed his poor performance, and thrown harsh (and realistic) assessments of it out from all angles, the 39-year-old Mosley has said nothing in nearly a week.
This afternoon, he broke his silence via his Twitter account, and summed up the fight very simply:
Mosley earlier called Manny Pacquiao the strongest puncher he'd ever faced, even more so than Vernon Forrest. Forrest beat Mosley twice in 2002 when Mosley was considered to be at the top of his game and was arguably the best pound for pound fighter in the world at the moment, up there with Roy Jones Jr.
Another fighter weighed in on that on his Twitter account, just after Mosley posted the above. Ishe Smith, a veteran fighter whose career has taken him all over boxing, had this to say:
And if you're wondering exactly what he meant, your worse suspicions are probably correct:
Here we go again.
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shane also said this on twitter
“Pacquiao ex-sparring partner came out a couple days ago stating that he would inject him w steroids – since Ricky fight look that up”
which apparently was a RT from someone else.. i have yet to see this article
http://twitter.com/#!/SugarShaneM/status/68744189101355009
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
The “article” is on a bullshit web site and reads like absolute trash. I’ll dignify Ishe Smith, who is saying what he’s saying under his own name and not hiding about it, but I won’t dignify that nonsense. Michael Woods already said it best at TSS anyway. Until there’s anything credible about it, treat it as pure fiction.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i figured it was something without merit
if we havent heard about it by now.. .that statement.. from a credible source.. would be everywhere by now
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
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by Eddie Gonzalez on May 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
RT = ReTweet
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 12, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
retweet
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that doesn’t read right—thank you for the info, I didn’t get it because Twitter looks too addictive to me to go anywhere near.
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It’s great fun if it serves you any purpose. Otherwise I still don’t “get it,” but for me it’s a place where I can talk to people who read the site when I’ve got some time to kill.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I know everyone was waiting on pins and needles to hear your opinion on this, but you’re #justsaying a lot of purely speculative bullshit Ishe.
Wasn't anything speculative about it
Urine tests don’t detect the same thing as blood tests. Fact.
Yes that is a fact, but you really can’t read between the lines? First he says, “If Manny punches harder than him [Vernon Forrest] we have a serious problem”, then follows it with the bit about HGH being undetectable what the hell do you think implying?!
I like to give the guy a bit more credit then that
Essentially you are saying that this guy believes that nobody can punch harder then Vernon Forrest, because he’s felt a Forrest punch, and if such a man exists, even a man who he has never sparred with, then he’s on some shit. I highly doubt that’s what he meant or implied.
Dude, it’s exactly what he’s implying. I like Ishe, always have, and think he’s a great example of a guy whose career was largely mismanaged and doesn’t get the credit he deserves for being a damn good fighter.
And I will say he’s also being a man here — whatever you think of what he said, he’s standing by it and actually talking about it still. And he’s not being a fanatic.
But yes he’s absolutely implying, no matter what he says, that Pacquiao’s accomplishments are highly questionable. It’s thinly-veiled at the very most.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, didn't see the rest of his tweets
Y’all are right. I’m wrong. He’s pretty much laying it all out there now.
Still don’t think the first tweet about Forrest hitting hard is really related to the other one though.
It came within one minute of the Forrest tweet, and the “serious prob” bit gave it away so quickly followed with #justsayin about HGH
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine. I concede.
I hate y’all and your logical fact based counter arguments. It’s making me look bad.
by erod on May 12, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well that's nice that you give him that.
I don’t.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
Ishe follows up:
“I don’t think a fighter like Manny with so much to lose would cheat, but I didn’t think that about AROD either. People just need to stop being naïve and calling Floyd scared, the #!@%*# is getting old, u don’t get to 40-0 by being scared”
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I’m not saying this is Floyd, but plenty of fighters build up impressive records that are all fluff.
There is a difference between being scared to fight and scared to lose your precious "0"
Floyd falls in the latter category IMO.
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by SmittytheCutman on May 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cough* Chavez *Cough
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on May 12, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What, if any, is the relationship between Smith and the Mayweathers? Is there one?
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Dunno. Ishe does live in Vegas so he could theoretically be friendly with the family, but I can’t remember him ever saying anything about it. He’s a pretty mild-mannered guy on Twitter.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a sparring partner for Mayweather's camp for Mosley
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
Thank you.
Interesting. I don’t really follow FMJ real close outside the ring, don’t know who the members of his posse are, or sparring partners, but my suspicions were immediately aroused.
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Sometimes I hate the internet
People actually believed that article was credible? Seriously?
At least a few geniuses, yes.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just when you think you can't lose any more respect for Shane.
Try to leave some of that legacy untarnished, okay pal? Those are my childhood memories you’re besmirching.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on May 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Quite disappointing that Shane felt the need to tweet that, really.
It’s just about as bogus a claim as there could be. I can appreciate Ishe being a bit weirded out about Manny punching harder than Vernon, but then again we’ve got to remember that the Mosley chin that took Pacquiao’s punch has been dented a lot more than the chin that Vernon cracked. Nevertheless, it all just sucks. Pacquiao punches hard – we’ve always known that, and just because Shane said this and Ishe thought that is not going to make the tiniest difference.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
It really does speak poorly of Shane. I will only say in his defense that quite frankly, he’s probably not all that “good at the internet” overall. I’m not sure he realizes just how stupid it seems for him to give that thing ANY shred of credibility.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. Considering Shane’s actually an ex-EPOer himself, did he reallllly believe that Pacquiao had a sparring partner just willy nilly injecting steroids in him? Like, really? It’s about the most spurious thing I’ve ever heard of.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on May 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather try touching the moon than take on Shane’s thinking here.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
his girl is lighting a fire up herself.
@Bella1Mafia
Pacquiao isn’t pride of phili. He’s the Shame.How dare this man claim something that is false. That’s not a champion, he’s Shameless
oh jesus christ
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
She seemed like such a bright young lady. What a pity.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 12, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
She should know, as I’m sure Grandpa Shane probably needs some PED’s to keep up with her.
by The Boxer Rebellion on May 12, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why does Ishe need to bother getting involved?
The guy’s in the twilight of his career and whether it was wasted opportunities or mismanagement, it doesn’t matter. Seems to me a cheap way to keep his name out there.
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by SmittytheCutman on May 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Well, he is allowed to have an opinion, and #justsayin, he’s not the only person in boxing whose last name isn’t Mayweather to think this way.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My investigative reporting finds that today, Ishe also traded out his Pacquiao-endorsed HP for a Mac. Coincidence???
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Someone at the Examiner will probably actually write about that.
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by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Bleacher Report
They’ll link you as the source.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on May 12, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a problem with the sport, not Pacquiao...
I’m not implying Pacquiao is on any kind of PEDs, but if he is, I would think most of the boxers are too… There’s nothing stopping them, and the commissions are in no rush to do anything about it. As much as I hate to say it, it’s not even cheating. It’s finding a loophole in a poor system.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
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What is everyone’s view on the PED subject if it was Pacquiao pointing the finger at Mayweather? I am confident that more of his haters would be pushing a lot harder than they are now if this issue was vice versa.
We already have Mayweather afraid of losing his beloved “0”. Yet, I sense that the allegations behind how he achieved that flawless record would have steroids closely linked behind if Freddy Roach was the one of accusing Floyd of using.
I wish this heavily sensitive subject of Pacquiao and steroids would vanish. All I know is if my exgirlfriend accuses me of getting her pregnant, it’s easy to deny it, but the only way of proving it is by a DNA test.
Its easy to descredit a guy who has been in the ring 41 times because you dislike him. But if figures around the way are singing the same tune then I would think it would be wise to just oblige the USADA testing that way there are no excuses.
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by Ryan Tical on May 12, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
about to close comments here
They can go in the newer thread. I just don’t want to track two threads of this is all.
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