Manny Pacquiao Steroids Controversy: The Story Is, There Is No Story
Today started out like any other day in boxing news. Some fights were talked about, some pay-per-view number estimates came in, Wladimir Klitschko and Hayden Panettiere broke up, Klitschko and David Haye had a tremendously entertaining appearance on Ringside in the UK.
OK, so it was already a little different.
And then it got to be about 5pm EDT, and all hell broke loose all over the place.
First, Shane Mosley tweeted this, and probably shouldn't have: "Pacquiao ex-sparring partner came out a couple days ago stating that he would inject him w steroids - since Ricky fight look that up"
Mosley backtracked fairly quickly, really (not much change from his performance on Saturday night). Moments later he offered, "These are not my words it comes from a article And his sparring partner but if it is true!!!! Than what do you say please google." He tried to make clear that they were not his words.
Except, of course, they kind of were. His girlfriend, Bella Gonzalez, then tweeted, "Pacquiao isn't pride of phili. He's the Shame.How dare this man claim something that is false. That's not a champion, he's Shameless"
Ishe Smith, seemingly uninvolved in the whole matter, offered a lot of opinions. Compared to most, it's worth noting that at least Ishe stood behind his words, and then went on to have a conversation. Smith offered his honest opinion. That's what it is -- and while you may feel he's out of line, or just gullible, or just buying into the hysteria, at least he was willing to stand up like a man, and let it be known that Ishe Smith was saying this.
That doesn't go for the "sparring partner" who "came forward" with the """"news""""" (that deserves that many quotation marks) that he injected Pacquiao with steroids before his fight with Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto in 2009.
The story is there is no story. I'm not going to dignify the "article" with a link. It's out there and you won't have to look too hard to find it. Michael Woods of The Sweet Science already took the whole thing to task and did a great job, but since this isn't going to just go away (more on that in a moment), it's worth someone else saying this, so at least maybe those of you who don't live in some bizarre "Maury"-like fantasy world can get some perspective here.
There is nothing to this. If you buy into this completely ridiculous, completely transparent mess of absolutely nothing, written by someone who won't offer a name, supposedly at the behest of another anonymous party, you are being unbelievably gullible. In fact, I could probably just stop now, since chances are you have no idea WHY you're being gullible, or why this all seems so incredibly fake and useless.
This isn't tabloid material. This is sub-tabloid material. Of course just a few minutes ago, Floyd Mayweather Jr. got wind of it and tweeted about how it's a must-read. Nothing with a misspelling of the word "using" is a must-read.
If you were to ask me my honest opinion of whether or not Manny Pacquiao uses or has used performance-enhancing drugs (and I'm sure this will anger someone, too), my answer is simple: I don't know. The testing system that boxing commissions use is laughable. Anyone who actually does get caught is a fool.
So to answer your question more accurately, I'm as sure that Pacquiao is clean as I am sure that Mayweather is clean, that Mosley is clean, that the Klitschkos or Haye or Ishe Smith or Chris Arreola or the ghost of Jack Johnson are clean.
But right now there's nothing real happening. This is pure propaganda, wherever it truly came from.
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Very Shameful
Hey Sugar Shane! you got you ass handed to you. Damn coward like PBF! pretty shameful indeed. Using a tweet. It’s like every other haters who hide behind the computer screen. IF you are a man Sugar, please do it in front of people who can actually ask the tough questions face to face. Yep.typing behind the keyboard. For Mayweather, he hides behind a computer too video streaming himself drunk or not. As for your girlfriend, she is freaking hot and I give her a mulligan. Wow, people do believe he got injected in the locker room at the wild card gym by a ex filipino sparring partner (who is also in the wild card gym). Hmmm I wonder who it was. Not many filipino ex sparring partner that worked out in the wild card gym. And he wants to be anonymous. LOL!
The real contoversy here
is that no one seems to be able to tweet a complete, coherent sentence.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on May 12, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Yeah.. Looks like Tyson is the only boxer (ex-boxer) who cares about punctuations, spelling, etc
by garapataman on May 12, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Michael Woods has a quick update:
“InjectionGate” story updated…Roach says there was no Filipino sparring partner in 08-09..Arum disappointed in SSM
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I know this isn't approriate
but I hate Arum. He is such a self serving greedy asshole. He’s disappointed because it hurts his product – Pacman – not cause he gives a shit. As always, Arum can go hide and fornicate with himself.
by journeyintosound on May 12, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the damage is done though
all twitter followers of shane and floyd will now use this as ammo regardless of truth or logic.
Honestly,
nothing that Floyd supporters will stoop to surprises me. Nothing.
“by any means necessary”
The irony is though
The author in question also says he hopes Pacquiao kicks Mosley’s ass because mosley is a well known juicer so he’s saying read one half of the article but ignore the rest of it. That’s not how it works.
I am dissappointed that of all people shane started sharing this type of thing. He should feel embaressed about his performance against pacuiao if anything, he’s just throwing away any respect people had forleft him after the performance on saturday
No the author did not say that
He was quoting the so-called sparring partner.
"author"
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane has no right to say ANYTHING
He’s the one who actually DID do steroids and his performance against Manny was a disgrace.
I don't always rage, but when I do, I prefer doing it over Bellator judging. Stay angry, my friends.
I would've gladly bought him some more
just to get my money’s worth out of that fight.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on May 12, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
great comment!
made me chuckle there Pops :) But you’re right. Shane should have used some and maybe he might have given a fight that was a little more worth than his $5M performance.
Although, thing was, even if he got all the roids he needed it wasn’t Shane’s body that was the problem. I mean, he could still move quickly away from Pacquaio. It was his heart that surrendered. Every time he touched glove with Pacquaio, BHop was right, that was submission.
Anyways, it’s really shameful, sad and pathetic for Shane. He’s one of the few fighters I really respect but this was totally low and out of his class to be tweeting like this. He got $5M to fight Manny in the ring and he didn’t. And now Shane is fighting Pac in twitter. What a sad ending to an otherwise brilliant career of a genuine warrior.
Someone should just create a new article
That says that the sparring partner was lying. People should buy it just as easily as they bought this one.
by erod on May 12, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Whoa….hold the presses.
I was a Manny defender until today.
I thought that the Mayweather slander was just that. Hateful slander.
But now I read that the paragon of fitness and health, Shane Mosely has doubts. And far worse….Bella Gonzalez !@!
Say it ain’t so Bella!!!
You had us there for a moment, you gorgeous young thing.
With that look of concern as your Sugar Daddy was dancing backwards.
Depositing our money in his account.
You were so close.
Rich And beautiful.
But now, with your trbnsparent and shameles comments, you and Shne have grown suddenly….Ugly.
Sad, really.
I liked you that one night.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Like Scott, my opinion on if he has or hasn’t is I don’t know. But Pacquiao opened the door to all this when he refused testing the first time. No matter what’s transpire since than there’s still no way around the fact that Manny walked away from the fight and 30 million cuz of testing. I mean Mayweather was willing to under go the same tests. So I never could understand the problem. I’m sure it was a pride thing and he didn’t want Floyd telling him what to do. But that excuse carries no weight considering Mayweather had agree to every demand he had made. From the 50-50 split to the 10 million over the weight limit issue. I mean perception isn’t every thing. But damn if it ain’t a big part.
Lots of stories of Mayweather using Steroids in his Amateur Ranks too
How come those stories stories don’t get much attention. Always kind of weary on why Mayweather stays in shape and fast when he doesn’t fight more once every two years. Too many gangbangers giving him stuff to stay in shape.
You mean when he went to the olympics and had olympic-style blood tests? He stays in shape because he is consistently in the gym, even when not training. You know the only possible way people stay in shape…..
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on May 13, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
completely agree with this
i have no issue with the “floyd isnt gonna tell us what to do” angle.. just thought putting your foot down THERE was odd.. on THAT issue? on THAT demand? strange… not exactly incriminating.. just odd
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite ironies in all of this is..
that Pacquiao detractors, starting with Mayweather Sr. on down, love to speak of Floyd’ accomplishments vis a vis Manny, particularly his having beat Oscar ‘fair and square’ at his natural weight and conversely Manny’s have made him drain to ‘catch’ weight in order to beat him.
Funny thing is that it was Manny’s one-sided beating of an old, drained ODLH that suddenly got Floyd Sr. (and expert himself on drugs) so convinced that Manny was on “that shit”.
why be so bent out of shape when Manny’s accomplishments ’ain’t shit’ compared to your son’s Floyd?
Or is that too logical for you and your posse?
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
i always thought oscar being the point where people decided "manny HAS to be doping" was laughable
1st it was “ohh hes making oscar boil down” then it was “ohh he stands no chance hes too small” then it was “ohh hes too fast for oscar hes amazing” then it was “ohh he has to be doping”
to me the speed was everything in that fight.. the weight mattered a little im sure (i remember being startled by how small oscars arms were) but it was the speed that beat oscar..
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 13, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
my opinion on peds is simple
they all use em…
just based on this theoretical situation:
some guy shows up to training camp/practice/the gym/or whatever other setting an athlete is training in and says “hey.. i got this stuff… hgh.. and it’ll make you bigger stronger faster and give you more stamina.. the side effects are minimal.. and its undetectable with ANY kind of drug test… there are no negatives.. do you want some?”
so do i think manny uses hgh or whatever other undetectable ped? sure… same with floyd.. same with their opponents… its too easy.. and the benefits are too high…
baseball kinda ruined my whole opinion of athletes… and the more and more “doping” and “peds” are mentioned in sports stories the more skeptical i become.. sorry if this seems ignorant or misinformed or whatever but thats just how i feel.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 12, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
You and I are in the same … maybe not ballpark, but league. The baseball mess was just unbelievably deflating to anyone who paid close attention through all of it. I covered the first steroid hearing in DC, the Palmeiro “aggressive finger pointing” one where Sammy Sosa conveniently forgot all the English he knew. My ability to believe in the good and honest with performance enhancing drugs has seen better days.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I covered the first steroid hearing in DC
Live for SBN’s Orioles blog, I should say. I wasn’t in the room. Also no one really visited the site back then. But I did it. And then later that same season got to be on the ball for Palmeiro getting nailed right after 3,000 hits. It was the shittiest season ever.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 12, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oddly, I never cared. I figure that all athetes given the same enforcable rules and regulations will seek every advantage above and beyond their incredible training to perform. They always have and they alway will.
In the late seventies and early eighties, they all used drugs. Some for the pain. Others for ‘performance’. Somebody won…and most of the others, still on teh same illegal drugs, lost. The reason IMO wa not because the winners (eg. Pittsburg Pirates, Miami Dolphins) had better drugs. It was because they were better.
I still think Barry Bonds could hit a baseball for percentage (power is another issue) because he has amazing hand eye coordination. Not because of PEDs.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
yea
i always thought out of baseball that WHO was using was the biggest story.. and i dont mean who as in names.. i mean who as in what kinds of players.. we saw pitchers.. minor leaguers.. small infielders.. sluggers.. middling role players.. and stars..
to me that just said there is no doping “type.” its not always the most ripped guys.. or the sluggers. with the way guys are bigger stronger and faster than ever in sports across the board i wouldnt be surprised by ANY athlete being outed as a doper..
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 13, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor would I
Frankly, I don’t see, for example, how a professional football player can get out of bed on Monday, recover, practice and play on Sunday without drugs.
Nor can I see the fans who are haters by nature accepting anything less that full performance every game from their highly paid stars, lest they resent them even more.
The biggest issue is enforcement, whtever the rules. If it can’t be enforced, fuggetaboutit. It’s like Marijuana. Who the f*&k is kidding who sinbce the sixties about it’s illegality. Calling it illegal but not being able to enforce it is ludicrous. It undermines the rule of law.
PED use is going to continue in non-detection ad infinitum. That is just a bio-tech reality. I can live with it because I can’t do anything about it.
I say if you inject two fighters with the exact same drug with the exact same regime, the better guy always wins.
But hey, that’s just me.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
PED use is going to continue in non-detection ad infinitum
Pretty much. The testing is never up to speed with the drugs.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 13, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Never was....Never will be.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It’ll always be one step ahead. The question becomes whether we want to continue to try to enforce it, knowing we’ll always fall short of those on the cutting edge. The alternative is making it a “horse race” – I think you gotta try to enforce.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I do too. I’m just faithless.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 13, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree
I think about it this way. What if there was a vitamin supplement that was scientifically proven to aid with muscle recovery? Would all fighters be taking this legal supplement? Of course!
What if there was an effectively legal supplement in that you could get it ‘legally’ and no one would ever know you were taking it? Of course! (i.e. the trainer tells the fighter its a vitamin and controls the regiment).
Is every fighter knowingly cheating? Nope. Is the trainer paid to give his/her fighter every possible advantage available? Yup. Would this include legally questionable drugs? Unfortunately….
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on May 13, 2011 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
But the testing will punish excessive and dangerous use
by forcing athletes to cycle at least. It hurts their ability to dose and creates financial incentives to avoid it as the designer drugs grow more expensive.
I know PED use will never go away, but I prefer the cat and mouse game that limits it rather than free reign. Especially since I don’t trust athletes or doctors to use supplements in healthy doses even if it is legal.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
It sets a bad example for youth sports as well
You got guys in high school already juicing.
I say if you inject two fighters with the exact same drug with the exact same regime, the better guy always wins.
But hey, that’s just me.
and i honestly think this is what you get a lot of the time..
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on May 13, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
PEDs don't enhance your skills, just your athletic ability
If you have the skills, it can push you from good to great. If your great, you can go from great to elite. The point is that drug testing is meant to even the playing field where skill, hard work, and dedication is the ultimate deciding factor of who wins and who doesn’t.
While directly they won’t, PED’s indirectly can enhance your skills. Enhanicing your athletic ability allows you to train more often and or harder, which will directly benefit your skills through repetition. If say you gain strength through the use of PED’s, an athlete does not need to spend as much time training to improve his strength, and can instead focus more on skill training. In addition to this, a better athletic ability could allow you to perform and practice movements (and thus your skills) thay you might not have been able to do otherwise.
I don't think Manny is on anything
but why don’t he just take the blood test to shut Floyd up
by Mohammedini Hussein on May 13, 2011 4:35 AM EDT reply actions
Many reasons
Manny is the bigger star at this point. It is not opinion. It’s a fact. Internationally it’s not close and here in the US he has surpassed him.
He’s the A side fighter.
He is already in Floyd’s head.
Thus winning the psychological war.
Let me ask you:
Whe didn’t Floyd then, now, or ever petition the NSAC commission to institute better testing. Why hasn’t he taken a leadership position in spearheading real change in boxing testing.
Why only Manny?
I will tell you. He is not sincere. He is afraid of Pacquiao.
And Manny knows it but has too much dignity to say it.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He made Mosley take the test also
and I know you hate Floyd as many do, but you have to be objective. His whole career people have accused Floyd for ducking alot of people like Shane Mosley, Rick Hatton, Cotto etc.Even accusing him for ducking Carlos Baldomir lol. He usually end up fighting them. Floyd agreed on the 50/50 split and the venue and other things. But if it takes the blood test for the fight to happen then just fucking do it. Saying no to 30 mil for a blood test 30 days before a fight?
by Mohammedini Hussein on May 13, 2011 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions
saying no to 30 mil for a fight because of a blood test 30 days before the fight*
by Mohammedini Hussein on May 13, 2011 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
....30 days before the fight?
sure about that?
no you are right
Floyd wanted 14 days cut-off for the random blood test, Manny wanted 30 days cut off
by Mohammedini Hussein on May 13, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not right...
As I did not make a statement but did you actually read that correction somewhere.. or again just speculating???
doesn’t seem right to me.
I don't think he's afraid of Manny
He just thinks the guy is cheating. If Manny had agreed to the drug testing, they would have fought already.
I am not right...
I did not make a statement but did you actually read that correction somewhere.. or again just speculating???
doesn’t seem right to me.
While it is incredibly appaling to discredit someones career by making alligations of drug abuse, Paquaio does need to come out and defend himself.
Precisely.
No one has a right to randomly accuse opponents in any venue of crimes there is not one shred of legitimate evidence they’ve ever committed and require proof of innocence. It turns US law upside down.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
watch bigger faster stronger
the only way you can be absolutely sure someone isn’t on something is through blood test. There is so many ways you can fool a piss test.
by Mohammedini Hussein on May 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No one can ever be sure of anything. A certain amount of general good faith is required to keep functioning outside the realm of doubt and conspiracy. Plus, people forget, I forget as I’m not that way myself, how profoundly Roman-Catholic religious MP is. That whole family practically lives in church, there isn’t a single precept they don’t do their best to live up to. It’s a disrespect of his genuine persona faith to accuse him of cheating in a sport that can and does kill. If it were anyone else I might have more doubt, but that kind of religiosity, which is lifelong with him, can’t be faked, and RC runs a tough code (whether I’m comfortable with the Church of Rome or not, and I’m not).
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
To second some of what BoxAnne said, not even the most advanced randomized blood test is a 100% guarantee that an athlete is clean. Tests are only designed to detect what it is known to change as a result of a particular substance, therefore there is always a lag peridod between the discovery of a substance and its effect, and then for a reliable test against it. The best example of this was Marion Jones, she passed every single olympic blood test with flying colors while using the BALCO stuff. That is why BoxAnne is right in that you need a degree of good faith for things to work. I would also agree with the religiosity of Manny’s life. I know there are thousands of cases about apparently religious people doing some pretty terrible things that go completely against everything that their particular religion teaches, however, I would argue that in all those instances those people didn’t really live a religous life, they just pretended they did. I think that if you truly follow any religion, you do everything that is in your power to live by its precepts. To put it in sports terms, if you truly are a Red Sox fans, hell will freeze over before you ever cheer for anything the Yankees do. While we could never tell for sure unless we could spend 24hrs behind him, at least to me it appears Manny’s religiousness is true and evident. I don’t say this by looking only at obvious religous signs (the praying, going to church, etc), but by the more subtle ones. Caring for the needy in his country, being willing to forgive, concer about his opponents well being, never speaking ill about anyone and always whishing them the best, even when being attacked. While this on its own I think is a hard thing to do, where I think he truly showed his faith was when Roach was mocked. Some people are capable of holding back when they are directly attacked, but I think that very few are capable of doing so when it is a loved one who is attacked. Even his seemingly care free no worries attitude at least to me shows someone who feels happy, calm, and at peace, not someone who is trying by all means to get an edge. While this certainly is no guarantee of a squeaky clean behaviour, I would not think he is someone who is willingly cheating.
Given all the PED’s scandals that have plagued the different sports through the years I don’t blame those who assume an everyone is guilty mentality or become faithless as Scott said, however I would think that once you become faithless in the accomplishments of all athletes, you would lose the ability to truly admire and be amazed at what they do, and if you lose that then what is the point in keep watching them. There are cheaters in all walks of life, so imagine if we always saw every accomplishment anyone has made with dubious eyes, given that in most instances we aren’t even looking to catch cheaters.
Imagine If I were to ask Scott to prove that he wrote a particular article and he did not copied it from someone else just because I feel he could not have written it? Just the thought of everyone doubting everything each one of us does is depressing. Call me naive, call me a fool, call me a dreamer, but I’d think that unless there is proof of wrongdoing, everyone should be free of blame and atacks.
by leo_solis on May 13, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
precisely
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 13, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he's doing it...
gaining from the decision of that judge that decline the requests of GPB to quash the case – the probable cause was certainly establish and at the end it might be still the PACMAN wishing them all well and laughing all the way to the bank after receiving the damages fee.
stone and eggs - no business!

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