Video: Showtime Sports Recap of Ward vs Abraham
Just about ready to close the book on last night's Super Six semifinal between Andre Ward and Arthur Abraham, so here's the Showtime Sports video recap hosted by Al Bernstein, for those of you who missed the fight, or who might want to take a final, condensed glance at a fight that really can be summed up properly in 1:01.
Here's a question, because Andre Ward just keeps drawing criticism for not being exciting. Do you think his stock fell last night? The fight drew almost nobody to the Home Depot Center, proving that a five-hour drive or so is far too much for the Andre Ward fanbase, which truth be told isn't even that big in Oakland, it's just loud at the fights. Does Ward have star ability? I think he's well-spoken, charismatic, and eventually, will gain fans if he keeps on winning, because people love a winner.
But does he really have enough to become a serious star? And I don't even mean on an Oscar/Manny/Floyd-type level, either. Just a reliable attraction whose fights are looked forward to, like Shane Mosley, whose star power over the years was actually a lot higher than most gave him credit for since his biggest fights were as a B-side, giving the impression that he wasn't an A-side, when really he was a very credible and valuable A-side, too. Does he top out at Bernard Hopkins level, by which I mean a guy who everyone knows because he's good, but just isn't a draw? Can he even draw the sort of attention -- not always good -- that Hopkins draws?
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Does Ward have star ability? I think he’s well-spoken, charismatic, and eventually, will gain fans if he keeps on winning, because people love a winner.
I vote no. Boxing stars of the past two decades tend to be:
A.) Knockout artists, or at least willing to war (Pacquaio)
B.) Guys with a clear fanbase within their particular ethnic/national group, or
C.) Obnoxious loud mouth assholes (Mayweather fits in this category)
I personally love Ward. But I could never sell Ward to friends of mine who are not hardcore boxing fans. He strikes me as a humble guy who works hard in his craft, and because of his moral/ethical/religious beliefs he doesn’t talk trash, or feel the need to attract attention to himself. Which is great, as far as I’m concerned. It just doesn’t sell…
Agree.
I think his stock stays the same. Ward is a methodical/take no risks type of fighter. He’s good at everything, but not great at anything. I don’t see "star" appeal with this type of makeup.
Yeah
B-hop ain’t a star either. And there are a lot of similarties both ethnically and in the ring between the two.
by journeyintosound on May 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
5,300 at the home depot center
that’s not awful… i’m sure a lot were there to see the slimmed-down nightmare, but still, to characterize the place as empty is not quite accurate
I asked Steve Kim about attendance #s, and he said it looked a lot closer to 3K than 5K. Arena holds about 8K.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
another response I got on Twitter
“I was there last night, and there is not a chance 5500 people were there. Empty seats in every section. 3000 tops.”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on May 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and most of those came to see Arreloa and Abraham. Ward doesn’t draw well away from his home base. It looked pretty damn empty in the outside shots and they limited them,
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Slickness
I would argue that most people who call Ward boring will never like someone who employs a good amount of the sweet science like a Mayweather. They are the people who are spoiled by all-action fighters like Pac, older Margo, JMM, Rios, Ricky Hatton, and Antillion. The type of fighter that has no defense, and just comes forward with a ton of offense hoping that the other guy can’t deal with it. Then there is the guy that picks apart your defense like Mayweather. It’s beautiful to some, boring to others who just want to see tons of punches and don’t care for feints and traps. Is Ward a star? Hells yes. Will he ever be a superstar? Probably not (he would need to develop some more power).
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
I don’t think he is boring, but he will never break out to the mainstream. I would say that the avg sports fan knows more of Martinez due to his recent nasty KOs than Andre Ward. He very well might very well be the Icharo of Boxing. Only the hardcores appreciate him.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I think the point is he’ll probably never be a crossover star. He is the kind of guy who doesn’t need “something,” (other than his sometimes lackluster killer instinct.) He needs “someone.” He needs to build a rivalry of some kind with someone (preferably from overseas) and then he can build up some steam off of that, to make up for the lack of a solid fanbase here – and in one of the less popular divisions in the U.S. I think there are still a great deal of fans here who think of 18 as an unecessary weight class and a belt factory.
Also, there is the obvious point that while he can do a lot in a boxing ring, everyone likes a good finisher. I saw a bit of the Ward that fought Sugar Poo last night: yes he outclassed Abraham widely, but he also let him off the hook continually. There was never really a moment when I thought Ward was definitely trying to finish him off. It doesn’t make him a bad fighter: he is a very good, smart fighter. But it won’t win him over many new fans.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I love Andre Ward but I'll be honest
If I wasn’t from the Bay Area I probably wouldn’t be a huge fan. And Scott you’re right, the only ppl from Oakland who care about Ward are Oakland boxing fans, not the community at large. Since I’m a boxing fan and have followed Andre’s career while he was still an amateur I definitely am a big fan. I was even going to fly down for the fight but unfortunately had an obligation in Seattle the same day that I had to travel for instead. Yes, Andre is intelligent, charismatic, and a winner. But his nickname is also “Son of God” and without either knockout power or an all action style I don’t think he’ll ever approach superstardom. But that’s ok, there’s room for all types of fighters in the sweet science and he’s gonna keep being who he is. No more, no less.
I also wamt to add that I actually think Steve Kim (whose opinion I usually respect) overreacted on Twitter. The fight wasn’t a FOY candidate but I thought the pace and action wasn’t as dreadful as he’sade it out to be. Then again the atmosphere live might have influenced his reaction. I think part of the blame goes to Andre too though. He kept talking about how he was going to try for the KO. Whenever fighters say this (promoting a figjt or not) the expectation from fans is that they better do it or at least LOOK like they’re trying. I think Ward truly wants to be more crowd pleasing but he should probably wait until he starts doing it before he talks about it as much as he’s been doing.
by soulrise on May 16, 2011 3:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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